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Title: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 08, 2017, 12:22 PM
We've used a few threads as politics thread, but we might as well have one.  
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 08, 2017, 12:23 PM
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 08, 2017, 08:39 PM
NeoGAF - View Single Post -  Senate Intelligence Committee Open Hearing with James Comey (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=239675733&postcount=5360)

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Schiff: "testimony constitutes evidence of an intention to interfere or potentially obstruct at least a portion of the Russia investigation"
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https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/statu...10971144204292 (https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/872910971144204292)
 
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 12, 2017, 03:51 PM
 Israel Successfully Hacked ISIS Computers; Trump Leaked It to the Russians, NYT Repor - NeoGAF (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1389868)

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The source of the classified intelligence that U.S. President Donald Trump shared with Russian officials in May was information Israel obtained after hacking computers belonging to ISIS, the New York Times reported Monday.

 
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According to the Times, which cited a U.S. official, Israeli "cyberoperators" managed to penetrate an ISIS cell of bombmakers based in Syria a number of months ago.

 
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According to the report, the information was so good that it allowed the United States to learn that the terror cell was working on explosives that could fool airport security by passing as a laptop battery.

 
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The intelligence was shared at a meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Russian Ambassador Sergei Kislyak. The unnamed officials said Israel had previously urged the United States to be cautious with the information. The revelation that Trump shared sensitive intelligence with Russia raises the possibility that the information could be subsequently leaked to Iran.

 
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In January, it was reported that Israeli intelligence officials were concerned that the exposure of classified information to their American counterparts in the Trump administration could lead to it being leaked to Russia and onward to Iran. The intelligence concerns, which had been discussed in closed forums, were based on suspicions of ties between Trump, or his associates, and the government of Vladimir Putin in Moscow.

 
Israel Successfully Hacked ISIS Computers; Trump Leaked It to the Russians, NYT Reports(http://i.imgur.com/H7XRoFh.gif)
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 11, 2017, 04:30 PM
Donald Trump Jr. released an email chain with a "Russia government attorney".  

Stocks dropped.  

(https://i.imgur.com/6pInIrl_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=high)
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Legend on Jul 11, 2017, 05:11 PM
Can you give a brief summary of what's happening?
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 11, 2017, 05:38 PM
Can you give a brief summary of what's happening?
There wasn't much evidence of anything before. 
But Donald Trump Jr tweeted emails. 

Basically Trump Jr was offered a meeting with a "Russian government attorney".  At the meeting he was to be given evidence of dirt on Clinton; this was just after Trump won the Republican nomination.   

It's still an open question of how damaging this is. 
But apparently the FBI was not aware of this meeting.

The bombshell new stories about Donald Trump Jr. and Russia, explained - Vox (https://www.vox.com/2017/7/10/15950578/donald-trump-jr-russia-explained)
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 12, 2017, 07:05 PM
Breitbart editor says Donald Trump Jr's Russia meeting 'is straight up collusion' in private chat | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/breitbart-editor-donald-trump-jr-russia-meeting-name-of-bloke-straight-up-collusion-private-chat-alt-a7837641.html)
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 21, 2017, 07:01 PM
Think about everything that's happened in just 24 hours
New York Times interview comes out, in which Trump warns Mueller not to investigate his family's finances. (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/us/politics/trump-interview-transcript.html)

 (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/us/politics/trump-interview-transcript.html)We find out Mueller is investigating Trump's family's finances. (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-20/mueller-is-said-to-expand-probe-to-trump-business-transactions)

We find out Trump has been asking his lawyers about how to pardon himself and his family members. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-lawyers-seek-to-undercut-muellers-russia-investigation/2017/07/20/232ebf2c-6d71-11e7-b9e2-2056e768a7e5_story.html?pushid=597154e75ae0f93800000005&tid=notifi_push_breaking-news&utm_term=.476d3e567049)

His lawyer's spokesperson quits. (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40678397)

His lawyer quits (http://thehill.com/homenews/news/343069-trumps-personal-lawyer-resigns-from-top-post-amid-legal-team-shakeup)

His own spokesperson quits.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 03, 2017, 10:30 PM
Mueller (investigating Russian collusion) has enlisted a grand jury.  And they usually indict.  99.99% of the time.

The single chart that shows that federal grand juries indict 99.99 percent of the time - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/11/24/the-single-chart-that-shows-that-grand-juries-indict-99-99-percent-of-the-time/?utm_term=.692353d1b425)

Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 15, 2017, 07:08 PM
 Fox News Guest Says Confederate And Pride Flags Are ‘The Exact Same Thing’ - NeoGAF (http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1419818&page=1)

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...ushpmg00000009 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/star-parker-confederate-pride-flag-fox-news_us_5992f6bfe4b09071f69c9887?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009)
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"But you know what's really interesting and really incredible irony here is the same  people that are demanding that the Confederate flag comes down are the same people that are insisting that the rainbow flag goes up," she added. "These two flags  represent the exact same thing. That certain people groups are not welcome here. So if Nancy  Pelosi wants to say that we're going to start shutting down First Amendment rights of a certain group of people, then what happens the next time that the homosexuals want to walk through an American city and protest and counter protesters come out?"

 
Edit: (https://media.giphy.com/media/CZcoGp0eXLCH6/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Aug 15, 2017, 07:29 PM
Fox News Guest Says Confederate And Pride Flags Are ‘The Exact Same Thing’ - NeoGAF (http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1419818&page=1)
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Well they are both symbols of a movement. Its just one is about love and acceptance, and the other hate and segregation.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 23, 2017, 08:40 PM





The first one says resist, the second one says impeach.  If you take the first letter of each paragraph.  

It seemed a little coincidental for the first one, but I doubt it for the second one.  
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 01, 2017, 09:27 AM
Mueller Enlists the IRS for His Trump-Russia Investigation : politics (https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/6xako4/mueller_enlists_the_irs_for_his_trumprussia/)

The criminal investigation part of the IRS has a conviction rate of over 90%.  
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Cute Pikachu on Sep 01, 2017, 11:17 AM
dang nabbit this country has gone downhill fast.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 25, 2018, 01:39 AM
Megathread: Democrats Release Redacted Memo Rebutting Republican Claims of Surveillance Abuse : politics (https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7zzwif/megathread_democrats_release_redacted_memo/)


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Steele Dossier played NO role in opening the Carter Page investigation. They began their investigation prior to even receiving it.

The DOJ did in fact inform the court of the origin of the Steele Dossier.

They accuse Nunes of deliberately misrepresenting the underlying FISA Warrant intelligence.

Four different judge's approved FISA warrants including judge's appointed by Bush and Reagan. Multiple DOJ officials also approved the applications prior to the court even seeing them including Trump appointees Rosenstein and Boente.

They actually started listening to Page after he left Trump campaign so the idea they were watching him to spy on Trump is absurd.

Page has a long history with Russia going back to 2004 and was being actively investigated once before already in 2013. The FBI had even interviewed him in 2016 again prior to receiving the Steele Dossier. The Steele dossier was referenced in the application as corroboration of certain things, and not to independently demonstrate.

A bunch of blacked out additional evidence with a bit in the middle noting Page lied to the HIC in his testimony in 2017 about meeting with Russian officials.

It included the footnote that discusses the Steele dossier source which SPECIFICALLY STATES ..."The FBI speculates the the unidentified U.S. Person was likely looking for information that could be used to discredit Candidate #1's campaign." Candidate 1 is Trump I believe, edit I previously thought Person 1 was Steele, this is the person coordinating with Steele. Steele is Source #1.

DOJ timely informed the court when the FBI fired Steele and why.

The attacks on Bruce Ohr for knowing Steele/and his wife working for Fusion GPS are 100% baseless. He was not involved in the FISA process and disclosed his relationships in November 2016.

Basically Nunes and Gowdy lied whole cloth that the FISA warrant was primarily based on a news article and the Steele Dossier. Those were in fact the least used and most minor pieces of evidence and they picked them out specifically for that reason to discredit the investigation and lied about their use.

Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 11, 2018, 12:56 AM
F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen; Trump Calls It ‘Disgraceful’ - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/us/politics/fbi-raids-office-of-trumps-longtime-lawyer-michael-cohen.html)


Fact Check: What Mark Zuckerberg Said About Facebook, Privacy and Russia - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/10/technology/zuckerberg-elections-russia-data-privacy.html)

A live blog of Zuckerberg's testimony.

Zuckerberg testimony: Facebook CEO grilled by Congress over data misuse – as it happened | Technology | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/live/2018/apr/10/mark-zuckerberg-testimony-live-congress-facebook-cambridge-analytica)

Resetera thread with a little summary:
F.B.I. Raids Office, Hotel, and Home of Trump's Longtime Lawyer Cohen. Update: Cohen worried. | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/f-b-i-raids-office-hotel-and-home-of-trump%E2%80%99s-longtime-lawyer-cohen-update-cohen-worried.35075/)

 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/...gtime-lawyer-michael-cohen.html?smid=pl-share (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/us/politics/fbi-raids-office-of-trumps-longtime-lawyer-michael-cohen.html?smid=pl-share)
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The F.B.I. on Monday raided the office of President Trump's longtime personal lawyer, Michael D. Cohen, seizing records related to several topics including payments to a pornographic-film actress. Federal prosecutors in Manhattan obtained the search warrant after receiving a referral from the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, according to Mr. Cohen's lawyer, who called the search "completely inappropriate and unnecessary." The search does not appear to be directly related to Mr. Mueller's investigation, but likely resulted from information he had uncovered and gave to prosecutors in New York. "Today the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York executed a series of search warrants and seized the privileged communications between my client, Michael Cohen, and his clients," said Stephen Ryan, his lawyer. "I have been advised by federal prosecutors that the New York action is, in part, a referral by the Office of Special Counsel, Robert Mueller."Click to expand...
Live stream of Mark Zuckerberg's testimony to Congress (2:15pm ET) | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/live-stream-of-mark-zuckerbergs-testimony-to-congress-2-15pm-et.35270/)

 
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Should start in a few minutes. A few live streaming links:Senate (https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/meetings/facebook-social-media-privacy-and-the-use-and-abuse-of-data)WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/video/mark-zuckerberg-senate-hearing/72400CFB-7AD9-4611-BC08-BFA3B18BAF10.html?mod=e2tw)Wired (https://www.wired.com/story/how-to-watch-mark-zuckerberg-testify-before-congress/?mbid=social_twitter)CBS news (https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/watch-mark-zuckerberg-testimony-senate-judiciary-commerce-committee-facebook-data-breach-today-live/)Verge (https://live.theverge.com/mark-zuckerberg-congress-testimony-live-blog/) - blog updatesLink. (http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/10/technology/mark-zuckerberg-testimony-guide/index.html)
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Zuckerberg will spend two days answering lawmakers' questions (http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/05/technology/mark-zuckerberg-congress-testimony/index.html?iid=EL) about the powerful social network he helped create more than a decade ago, and whether the company is doing enough to protect users' privacy (http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/04/technology/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-security-privacy/index.html?iid=EL). It's the first time Zuckerberg will personally sit for questions from Congress, instead of sending a deputy.Click to expand...
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Zuckerberg is set to testify (http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/04/technology/mark-zuckerberg-testify-congress/index.html?iid=EL) in Washington on Tuesday and Wednesday. He'll appear at a joint hearing (https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/rep/releases/senate-judiciary-and-commerce-committees-announce-joint-hearing-with-facebook-ceo) conducted by the Senate Judiciary and Commerce committees on Tuesday, starting at 2:15 p.m. ET. The Facebook CEO will then testify (https://energycommerce.house.gov/news/press-release/ec-announces-facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerberg-will-testify-april-11th/) in front of the House Energy and Commerce Committee on Wednesday, beginning at 10 a.m. ET. The hearings were scheduled to address Facebook's use and protection of user data in the wake of the Cambridge Analytica scandal.Click to expand...
Plus some other news here:

Trump Sought to Fire Mueller in December | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-sought-to-fire-mueller-in-december.35351/)

 
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In early December, President Trump, furious over news reports about a new round of subpoenas from the office of the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, told advisers in no uncertain terms that Mr. Mueller's investigation had to be shut down. The president's anger was fueled by reports that the subpoenas were for obtaining information about his business dealings with Deutsche Bank, according to interviews with eight White House officials, people close to the president and others familiar with the episode. To Mr. Trump, the subpoenas suggested that Mr. Mueller had expanded the investigation in a way that crossed the "red line" he had set last year in an interview with The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/us/politics/trump-interview-sessions-russia.html). In the hours that followed Mr. Trump's initial anger over the Deutsche Bank reports, his lawyers and advisers worked quickly to learn about the subpoenas, and ultimately were told by Mr. Mueller's office that the reports were not accurate, leading the president to back down. Mr. Trump's quick conclusion that the erroneous news reports warranted firing Mr. Mueller is also an insight Mr. Trump's state of mind about the special counsel. Despite assurances from leading Republicans like Speaker Paul D. Ryan that the president has not thought about firing Mr. Mueller, the December episode was the second time Mr. Trump is now known to have considered taking that step. The other instance was in June, when the White House counsel, Donald F. McGahn II, threatened to quit (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/us/politics/trump-mueller-special-counsel-russia.html) unless Mr. Trump stopped trying to get him to fire Mr. Mueller. The December episode, which has never been publicly reported, has new resonance following the disclosure on Monday that F.B.I. agents had carried out search warrants (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/us/politics/fbi-raids-office-of-trumps-longtime-lawyer-michael-cohen.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage) at the office and hotel room of Mr. Trump's personal lawyer, Michael D. Cohen. In that action, the Justice Department seems to have walked directly up to -- if not crossed -- Mr. Trump's red line by examining something that seems unrelated to Russia. More: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/10/us/politics/trump-sought-to-fire-mueller-in-december.htmlClick to expand...
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Wanna know if Cambridge Analytica has your data? You can see it here | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/wanna-know-if-cambridge-analytica-has-your-data-you-can-see-it-here.35285/)

 
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I think this interests people. Facebook has made a website that shows of if you or friends of you (and with that, you, too again) were scanned by Cambridge Analytica. Just look up at https://www.facebook.com/help/1873665312923476?ref=shareable That website shows of, in which way your data was collected. I am luckily clean and nobody of my friends had their data stolen, too. Also, there is right now the testification of Mark Zuckerberg going on, you can check it out here:  
Sheriff of America's Deadliest Police Force Caught Admitting Killing Suspects Is 'Better | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/sheriff-of-america%E2%80%99s-deadliest-police-force-caught-admitting-killing-suspects-is-%E2%80%98better.35297/)

 
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Sheriff of America's Deadliest Police Force Caught on Camera Admitting Killing Suspects Is 'Better Financially' Title got cut off
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Although Kern County had a population of 875,000 people in 2015, its law enforcement officers were responsible for more deaths than any other county in America that year, according to the Guardian. During that year, Kern County deputies and Bakersfield, Calif., police killed 1.5 people for every 100,000 residents, more than three times the rate of Los Angeles County and 10 times the rate of the New York Police Department in 2015.Click to expand...
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"You know what happens when a guy makes a bad shooting and somebody kills them?" Youngblood explained. "Three million bucks and the family goes away after a long back and forth." "When a deputy shoots someone in the streets, which way do you think is better financially--to cripple them or kill them--for the county?" Youngblood asked. When someone replied, "Kill them," Youngblood responded, "Absolutely. Because if they're crippled we get to take care of them for life. And that cost goes way up."Click to expand...
https://trib.al/froAu2u  
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 11, 2018, 01:09 AM
If you can't see in the mess, this facebook link will show you if any of your information was given to cambridge analytica.  
How can I tell if my information was shared with Cambridge Analytica? | Facebook Help Center | Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/help/1873665312923476?ref=shareable)

Some of wifey's was, but mine was entirely untouched.  
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Apr 11, 2018, 10:33 AM
Oh I forgot about this thread!

If you can't see in the mess, this facebook link will show you if any of your information was given to cambridge analytica.  
How can I tell if my information was shared with Cambridge Analytica? | Facebook Help Center | Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/help/1873665312923476?ref=shareable)

Some of wifey's was, but mine was entirely untouched.  
Yeah I checked yesterday and they haven't got any of my info, which is nice.

Also I'm very worried for Mueller right now. Trump must be so close to getting him fired.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 11, 2018, 02:09 PM
Speaker Paul Ryan Will Not Seek Re-election in November - The New York Times (https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/11/us/politics/paul-ryan-speaker.html)

He's not in my district but i wouldnt vote for him anyway, but kind of interesting he isn't running again.  

Oh I forgot about this thread!
Yeah I checked yesterday and they haven't got any of my info, which is nice.

Also I'm very worried for Mueller right now. Trump must be so close to getting him fired.
Bipartisan Senate bill to protect Mueller set for release Wednesday - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/11/senate-bill-protect-mueller-514494)
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 12, 2018, 02:06 PM
Zuckerberg's Senate hearing highlights in 10 minutes

Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 13, 2018, 12:13 AM
Trump, Mueller teams prepare to move forward without presidential interview (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-mueller-teams-prepare-move-forward-without-presidential-interview-n865421)
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 13, 2018, 02:30 AM
Zuckerberg's Senate hearing highlights in 10 minutes

lol
Several Conservative lawmakers accused Zuckerberg of conservative censorship.
Even though he was just there to talk about privacy concerns.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 20, 2018, 01:51 AM
North Korea drops withdrawal of US forces as condition of denuclearization, Moon says (https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/04/19/asia/north-korea-us-forces-korean-peninsula-intl/index.html)

North Korea is being awfully giving.  

I wonder if something is going on.  
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Legend on Apr 20, 2018, 02:28 AM
North Korea drops withdrawal of US forces as condition of denuclearization, Moon says (https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/04/19/asia/north-korea-us-forces-korean-peninsula-intl/index.html)

North Korea is being awfully giving.  

I wonder if something is going on.  
Sounds too good to be true but peace would be really really awesome.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 20, 2018, 02:38 AM
Sounds too good to be true
The only way it feels like it'd really make sense to me is:

a.) Things are really bad in NK right now.  With China and everyone else cutting them off, Korea's people might be reaching a breaking point.  Going through with this might extend Un's reign.  

b.)  It's a trap of some sort.  

c.) Kim is scared of escalation, and may think that Trump would be reckless enough to escalate things.


None of them really feel like they make sense though.

Sounds too good to be true but peace would be really really awesome.
It would be amazing.  

I'd feel comfortable saying it would be the biggest world event in my lifetime.  
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on May 08, 2018, 06:26 PM
Trump has pulled the US out of the Iran deal and will immediately impose sanctions on them.

What a fudgy disaster. Stupid orange sour apple.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on May 08, 2018, 06:54 PM
Ugh.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on May 09, 2018, 11:13 PM
    North Korea, South Korea plan ‪Pyongyang railway - Business Insider
 (http://www.businessinsider.com/north-korea-south-korea-plan-railway-peace-declaration-2018-5)

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In late April, North Korean leader Kim Jong Un and South Korean president Moon Jae-in made a historic deal to end Cold War-era division. The two countries announced that they will pursue signing a peace treaty and work towards "complete denuclearization" of the Korean Peninsula. (R ight now it's uncertain to what degree North Korea plans to get rid of its nukes.)

During the summit, Moon reportedly handed Kim a thumb drive containing a plan to build a massive railway. The preliminary plan envisions a train line that would pass through Seoul to Pyongyang in the North, then moving further on to Kaeseong and Shinuijuin, North Korea.

The ultimate plan, estimated to cost $35 billion, is much more expansive. It calls for another high-speed line from Seoul to Shinuiju via Pyongyang, along with a retrofit of six other railways crossing through North Korea.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on May 09, 2018, 11:19 PM
North Korea frees three US detainees ahead of Trump summit - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44056972)

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North Korea has freed three US citizens from prison, according to a tweet from US President Donald Trump.

It is viewed as a goodwill gesture ahead of a historic summit between Mr Trump and North Korea's Kim Jong-un.

Mr Trump said he would greet the men when they return with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who has been in Pyongyang to arrange the planned talks.

Kim Hak-song, Tony Kim and Kim Dong-chul boarded the plane "without assistance", the White House said.

They had been jailed for anti-state activities and placed in labour camps.
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Who are the freed Americans?

Kim Hak-song was held on suspicion of "hostile acts" in May 2017. He had previously described himself as a Christian missionary who intended to start an experimental farm at the Pyongyang University of Science and Technology (PUST)

Tony Kim, also known as Kim Sang-duk, also worked at PUST. He was detained in April 2017 on espionage charges. According to South Korean media, he had been involved in humanitarian work in the North.

Kim Dong-chul, a pastor in his early 60s, was detained in 2015 on spying charges, and was then sentenced to 10 years hard labour.
Kim, Kim and Kim was released by Kim. How wonderful!
reddit: the front page of the internet (https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/8i5mnq/north_korea_frees_us_detainees/dyp2h60/)
lol.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on May 14, 2018, 02:42 PM
Trump and the idiot crew have opened the US embassy in Jerusalem today. Gaza are protesting of course, but the IDF has murdered at least 41 of them and injured over 1000 with live bullets and sniper rifles. Israel have also bombed a Hamas facility. Can you imagine the international outrage if Palestinians bombed an IDF facility? Man, fudge this.

The whole thing is truly despicable, awareness around the globe needs to increase.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on May 16, 2018, 08:46 PM
Senate passes measure to repealing changes to net neutrality rules - CNNPolitics (https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/16/politics/net-neutrality-vote-senate-democrats/index.html)

Senate voted to restore net neutrality.  It passed, but it's unlikely to make it through House. 

Trump and the idiot crew have opened the US embassy in Jerusalem today. Gaza are protesting of course, but the IDF has murdered at least 41 of them and injured over 1000 with live bullets and sniper rifles. Israel have also bombed a Hamas facility. Can you imagine the international outrage if Palestinians bombed an IDF facility? Man, fudge this.

The whole thing is truly despicable, awareness around the globe needs to increase.
My uncle: "they protest everyday."
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on May 17, 2018, 01:48 AM
Senate passes measure to repealing changes to net neutrality rules - CNNPolitics (https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/16/politics/net-neutrality-vote-senate-democrats/index.html)

Senate voted to restore net neutrality.  It passed, but it's unlikely to make it through House.  
My uncle: "they protest everyday."
Ah yes, and protesters deserve to get sniped. I forgot about that, my bad.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on May 18, 2018, 03:15 AM


Bill Gates talks about Trump.  Trump asked Bill Gates about vaccinations being bad, and didn't know the difference between HPV and HIV.


"When I first talked to him it was actually kind of scary how much he knew about my daughters appearance"
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on May 18, 2018, 12:44 PM
Lol all those things sound very Trump.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 19, 2018, 01:04 PM
Trump Pulls Back Obama-Era Protections For Women Workers (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-pulls-back-obama-era-protections-women-workers-n741041)

Scum

Trump and the idiot crew have opened the US embassy in Jerusalem today. Gaza are protesting of course, but the IDF has murdered at least 41 of them and injured over 1000 with live bullets and sniper rifles. Israel have also bombed a Hamas facility. Can you imagine the international outrage if Palestinians bombed an IDF facility? Man, fudge this.

The whole thing is truly despicable, awareness around the globe needs to increase.
I think awareness will increase after their Eurovision win. We're already protesting here, many don't want us to compete in Eurovision next year to protest
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on May 23, 2018, 04:03 PM
Donald Trump turned a rumor into a full-blown government conspiracy in just 5 days (https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/05/23/politics/donald-trump-spygate/index.html)
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on May 24, 2018, 05:33 PM
The blonde wig wearing wotsit cancelled the meeting with North Korea. Basically because they insulted him.

10/10 diplomacy
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on May 25, 2018, 03:42 AM
That meeting would have been a total dumpster fire. Probably best that it was canceled.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on May 26, 2018, 03:18 PM
The blonde wig wearing wotsit cancelled the meeting with North Korea. Basically because they insulted him.

10/10 diplomacy
North and South Korean leaders hold surprise meeting (https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/05/26/politics/north-and-south-korean-leaders-meet-again/index.html)
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on May 26, 2018, 03:26 PM
North and South Korean leaders hold surprise meeting (https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/05/26/politics/north-and-south-korean-leaders-meet-again/index.html)
I really wish we had nothing to do with this. Americans only involvement should have been as an enforcer if things go south. Let the Koreans work out denuclearization and unification between themselfs.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 13, 2018, 02:44 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
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Apparently it has a very slightly nsfw tag.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 16, 2018, 03:25 PM
Trump cites as a negotiating tool his policy of separating immigrant children from their parents (https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/trump-cites-as-a-negotiating-tool-his-policy-of-separating-immigrant-children-from-their-parents/2018/06/15/ade82b80-70b3-11e8-bf86-a2351b5ece99_story.html)
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Jun 19, 2018, 02:13 PM
Trump cites as a negotiating tool his policy of separating immigrant children from their parents (https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/trump-cites-as-a-negotiating-tool-his-policy-of-separating-immigrant-children-from-their-parents/2018/06/15/ade82b80-70b3-11e8-bf86-a2351b5ece99_story.html)
Yeah this is disgusting.

What do you Americans think of this trade war that Trump has started?
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 19, 2018, 02:36 PM
What do you Americans think of this trade war that Trump has started?
A lot of people are really clueless about what a trade deficit is.  I've literally talked to people who thought that a trade deficit basically meant that a country was stealing from us.  If we have a $30b trade deficit with Norway, they think that means that Norway still has to pay $30b to us.  

Basically by their logic, if I go to Walmart and buy $10 worth of stuff, Walmart owes me $10 because now I have a $10 trade deficit.  

Even more problematic is that the US does a massive amount of services, even for other countries.  We actually had a surplus against China when you take that into account.  

So the justification for the trade war is based on false assumptions.  

Growing up, I thought that having more tariffs ought not to be a bad thing.  We have a giant debt and deficit and I figured that tariffs could be a way to pay off some of it.  

But of course, things are hardly that simple.  For two reasons.  Other countries can do the same to us, and a lot of businesses are dependent on trading certain things.  A lot of manufacturing companies were getting very worried about the steel and aluminum tariffs.  

Whether the issue is just that we are putting tariffs on things that are too important or putting tariffs on things in general isn't helpful, I don't know enough to be sure which is correct.  

But overall, it seems way more damaging than it is worth.  
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on Jun 19, 2018, 04:57 PM
I dunno, it's stupid. But at the same time if a country has a tariff on our goods and then get mad if we impose a tariff on their goods of equal value then they shouldn't have the right to complain. Most of the list I've seen show we usually dont impose a tariff or it's so small it doesn't matter. He actually asked for all tariffs to be reset to zero which would have been truly fair trade. But was ignored.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: darkknightkryta on Jun 20, 2018, 11:21 PM
I agree with tariffs on manufactured products.    I don't agree with them on resources.  Trump did the latter.  Now steel and aluminum prices have skyrocketted in the U.S. because of a new found monopoly.  This will force even more jobs away and affect the middle class.  Who benefits?  The few billionaires who own steel mills.  Who does this hurt?  Everyone else.  Now if Trump targeted manufactured products, you'd still have cheap steel, and you'll also give a good reason to bring manufacturing back.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Jul 09, 2018, 02:04 PM
Its a key week for brexit, with Theresa May supposedly gaining cabinet approval for her plans a couple of days ago after the cabinet was fighting over it for months. It seems like that approval was a lie, as the brexit secretary David Davis resigned last night and the foreign secretary Boris Johnson just resigned. This is after he skipped a COBRA meeting on the new developments in the Russia nerve agent case, and now he's not attending a summit he was supposed to host with some EU members starting about 8 minutes ago.

The brexit plan was supposed to be put to parliament today, but MPs are unhappy ministers are doing most of it themselves and bypassing parliament too much.

UK politics in disarray, what a surprise.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 17, 2018, 05:10 PM
Alabama political ads:

"(The other guy) knows in order to win, he has to pretend to be a Republican. Well I'm the Republican, not him. "
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Jul 17, 2018, 07:10 PM
Alabama political ads:

"(The other guy) knows in order to win, he has to pretend to be a Republican. Well I'm the Republican, not him. "

American politics is so dumb.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 17, 2018, 10:24 PM
American politics is so dumb.
Pretty much:  "As long as my side is winning, that's the only thing that matters.  F the other side.  They can die for all I care."
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Jul 17, 2018, 10:28 PM
Pretty much:  "As long as my side is winning, that's the only thing that matters.  F the other side.  They can die for all I care."

Well I mean that's most right wing politicians around the world. Its stuff like that line which is weird. How can that be a line which convinces people to vote for you?
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 17, 2018, 11:01 PM
Well I mean that's most right wing politicians around the world. Its stuff like that line which is weird. How can that be a line which convinces people to vote for you?
It works in a largely right wing state.  
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 05, 2018, 09:05 PM

Quote
Fake News reporting, a complete fabrication, that I am concerned about the meeting my wonderful son, Donald, had in Trump Tower. This was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics - and it went nowhere. I did not know about it!




For the first time, Trump confesses that his campaign turned to Russia for help - ThinkProgress (https://thinkprogress.org/for-the-first-time-trump-confesses-that-his-campaign-turned-to-russia-for-help-1add0c286eba/)

Quote
For the first time in American history, a U.S. president admitted that his campaign had accepted Russia's offer of help during a presidential campaign.

Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Aug 06, 2018, 10:28 AM
No... Collision?
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 06, 2018, 07:27 PM
One thing that Resetera gets wrong about a lot of things is that they assume every result is because of sexism/racism.

They look at an individual shooting and say this wouldn't have happened if he was white.

They look at a woman getting a bad response and they say it wouldn't have happened if it was a man.

The problem is that these things still happen in those other cases.

You can't look at a single police shooting and blame race. You can look at the overall rate and say that it'd be lower without racism. Say 1 white man gets shot and 10 black men get shot in an equal proportion area. You could look at the stats and say 9 of these shootings probably wouldn't happen if racism was gone, but you couldn't say which 9. Yet, people on resetera will look at every individual event like that and say "it's because of racism."

Similar thing with sexism. A man and a woman do the same thing. The woman gets criticism from 10 people, the man gets criticism from 1 person. So you could look at the statistics and see that 9 of those people probably wouldn't make a big deal if the woman was a man, but you couldn't say every person was being a sexist. One of those people just thinks that thing isn't acceptable regardless of who did it.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Aug 21, 2018, 09:22 PM
Ex-Trump lawyer Michael Cohen admits campaign violation - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45265546)

Trump ex-campaign chief Manafort guilty of multiple fraud charges - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45265676)

Big news today. Hopefully the brainwashed 1/3 of America will start to wake up and see through Trumps lies.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 21, 2018, 10:40 PM
Big news today. Hopefully the brainwashed 1/3 of America will start to wake up and see through Trumps lies.
Ha, you're funny.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 23, 2018, 11:40 AM
Manafort juror: One 'holdout' prevented jury from convicting Manafort on all 18 counts | TheHill (http://thehill.com/homenews/news/403197-manafort-juror-one-holdout-prevented-ruling-on-all-18-counts)
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 02, 2018, 03:40 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5d/Taking_a_Stand_in_Baton_Rouge.jpg)

Taking a Stand in Baton Rouge - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking_a_Stand_in_Baton_Rouge)
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Sep 27, 2018, 09:17 PM
Just watched a bit of the Kavanaugh hearing and my blood is already boiling. Is there a single republican in existence who isn't a complete and utter disgrace? How on Earth do half of Americans support these people?
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 27, 2018, 10:09 PM
Just watched a bit of the Kavanaugh hearing and my blood is already boiling. Is there a single republican in existence who isn't a complete and utter disgrace? How on Earth do half of Americans support these people?
There are a few Republican governor's who are calling for a delay in the vote, so that Kavanaugh can be investigated.  
Even some faux news were convinced.
 
Fox News's Chris Wallace on Kavanaugh hearing: "a disaster for the Republicans" - Vox (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/27/17910490/christine-blasey-ford-kavanaugh-senate-hearing-fox-news-chris-wallace)
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Sep 27, 2018, 10:11 PM
There are a few Republican governor's who are calling for a delay in the vote, so that Kavanaugh can be investigated.  
Even some faux news were convinced.
 
Fox News's Chris Wallace on Kavanaugh hearing: "a disaster for the Republicans" - Vox (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/27/17910490/christine-blasey-ford-kavanaugh-senate-hearing-fox-news-chris-wallace)
Colour me surprised. The Republicans in this hearing are a joke but it doesn't help that the Dems are mostly being really incompetent. I guess the republicans keep winning because even though a lot of them are despicable, a lot of the dems are just useless at fighting back.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 27, 2018, 10:17 PM
Colour me surprised. The Republicans in this hearing are a joke but it doesn't help that the Dems are mostly being really incompetent. I guess the republicans keep winning because even though a lot of them are despicable, a lot of the dems are just useless at fighting back.
Dems don't like to lie and play tricks, as much. They keep trying to compromise and reach a middle ground.

But Republicans don't want to compromise.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Sep 27, 2018, 10:19 PM
Dems don't like to lie and play tricks, as much. They keep trying to compromise and reach a middle ground.

But Republicans don't want to compromise.

Exactly, they try to be honest and conduct themselves well. Which is fair enough, except for the fact they're competing against loud angry monkeys who somehow appeal to half of the electorate. They need to coordinate together and fight republicans more.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 28, 2018, 01:44 AM
Bible: give to the poor.

Conservative American Christians: the poor didnt work for it.  Give to the rich.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 15, 2018, 11:55 AM
Donald Trump said he doesn't care if Ford was telling the truth  - Vox (https://www.vox.com/2018/10/14/17976620/donald-trump-ford-lesley-stahl-60-minutes-kavanaugh-accuser)
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 15, 2018, 05:25 PM
Warren released DNA results showing she is native American.

Requested that Trump donated the million that he said he would.  

Trump said he'd never do that, even though there is video of him saying it.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Oct 16, 2018, 12:03 PM
Warren released DNA results showing she is native American.

Requested that Trump donated the million that he said he would.  

Trump said he'd never do that, even though there is video of him saying it.
Yeah but she's got less of a native American heritage than the average American-European descendant apparently. The whole thing is weird, and she's made herself look foolish more than anything.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 16, 2018, 12:21 PM
Yeah but she's got less of a native American heritage than the average American-European descendant apparently. The whole thing is weird, and she's made herself look foolish more than anything.
Yeah, she has.  

But, still, amazing that Trump lies about stuff literally on footage.  
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 19, 2018, 01:49 PM
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 05, 2018, 01:46 PM
I'm getting nervous for you America.

The increase in early voting is pretty massive over the last midterms, especially in Tennessee. That Taylor Swift effect  :o
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 05, 2018, 02:49 PM
I'm getting nervous for you America.

The increase in early voting is pretty massive over the last midterms, especially in Tennessee. That Taylor Swift effect  :o
Yeah.  
Usually older people are reliable voters, and they tend to vote Republican.  

If voting is up, it's more than likely because younger, more liberal voters are actually voting.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 05, 2018, 03:00 PM
Yeah.  
Usually older people are reliable voters, and they tend to vote Republican.  

If voting is up, it's more than likely because younger, more liberal voters are actually voting.
One can only hope. I'll probably stay up and watch the results, I go to sleep at 3-4am nowadays anyway.



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More people voting is always a good thing, no matter the result.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 05, 2018, 03:05 PM
One can only hope. I'll probably stay up and watch the results, I go to sleep at 3-4am nowadays anyway.



(https://scontent-frx5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/45395551_1931916253594262_6835941747281887232_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_ht=scontent-frx5-1.xx&oh=b232a2b7406c49ba42d19d9156dfb46c&oe=5C835F3E)

More people voting is always a good thing, no matter the result.
Think I saw in Texas, there was a 500% increase in early voting among young voters.  
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Legend on Nov 05, 2018, 04:09 PM
I don't understand why some people vote so early though. New events could change your mind yet you wouldn't be able to change your vote.

Will be interesting to see how things go.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 05, 2018, 04:16 PM
I don't understand why some people vote so early though. New events could change your mind yet you wouldn't be able to change your vote.

Will be interesting to see how things go.
Well some people vote early because they aren't able to vote on election day.  
I know I missed voting one day earlier this year.  
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Legend on Nov 05, 2018, 05:12 PM
Well some people vote early because they aren't able to vote on election day.  
I know I missed voting one day earlier this year.  
Early voting is great. Colorado has had early voting open since 2 weeks ago though. Some people definitely need those 2 weeks but it feels like there is an unnecessary push to get people to vote as early as possible.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 05, 2018, 05:24 PM
Yeah if I knew that I was able to vote on election day then I'd wait until then, unless my mind was fully made up on the entire ballot.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 06, 2018, 05:24 PM
Early voting is great. Colorado has had early voting open since 2 weeks ago though. Some people definitely need those 2 weeks but it feels like there is an unnecessary push to get people to vote as early as possible.
I think a lot of it is just excitement about people motivated to vote.  

These numbers are crazy:

Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Legend on Nov 06, 2018, 05:27 PM
Wonder if voters voting today will also be up by a large amount or if people have just shifted dates.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 06, 2018, 06:09 PM
Wonder if voters voting today will also be up by a large amount or if people have just shifted dates.
Seems like voting is up a lot today as well.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Legend on Nov 06, 2018, 06:37 PM
Seems like voting is up a lot today as well.
How much do people over there care about this election? Is it a big media event for you too?
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 06, 2018, 07:27 PM
How much do people over there care about this election? Is it a big media event for you too?
It's the main news story but I don't think the general population cares that much.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 06, 2018, 08:10 PM
(https://external-preview.redd.it/kdM6rwfwEdSNG4K0Xw-i3tJeMIcz2IGpCWfkwn8CTDA.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=130c60c28839941bcd5eb9e06293893fdb50485d)

So in about 3 hours we'll start to get some of the first results from Indiana, East Kentucky.

4 hours till Vermont, New Hampshire, Virginia, Georgia, South Carolina, the rest of Kentucky and Indiana.  
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 06, 2018, 08:57 PM
Kentucky 6 is the one to watch at 6pm, that's the first toss up.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 07, 2018, 12:00 AM
It seems weird that Sheriff is something that we vote for.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 07, 2018, 12:26 AM
Kentucky 6 is the one to watch at 6pm, that's the first toss up.
40% of votes in and its D+6.1. Looking good so far.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Legend on Nov 07, 2018, 12:41 AM
It seems weird that Sheriff is something that we vote for.
Well we also vote for coroner. That is the one that seems really out of place.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on Nov 07, 2018, 03:25 AM
Republican kept the Senate. House looks to flip buy a small margin. We might have a balanced government. Im not sure the when was the last time that happened.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 07, 2018, 03:44 AM
Republican kept the Senate. House looks to flip buy a small margin. We might have a balanced government. Im not sure the when was the last time that happened.
Seems like Dems are heading for around 230 house seats, pretty much the majority the GOP had before. I think its the first half of Obama's presidency that you had government balanced like this.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on Nov 07, 2018, 04:04 AM
If the number is correct then they will have 5 less seats than the republicans did.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 07, 2018, 05:03 PM
Donald Trump Jr. Expecting to be Indicted by Mueller Soon (http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/11/donald-trump-jr-expecting-to-be-indicted-by-mueller-soon.html?gtm=bottom)
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Kerotan on Nov 08, 2018, 10:20 AM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/motherboard-'red-dead-redemption-2'-players-are-excited-to-attack-and-kill-feminists-in-the-game.79514/

Too right. Punching those annoying babies has always been one of the best features in rockstar games.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 08, 2018, 12:32 PM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/motherboard-'red-dead-redemption-2'-players-are-excited-to-attack-and-kill-feminists-in-the-game.79514/

Too right. Punching those annoying babies has always been one of the best features in rockstar games.
What the fudge? Have you even read what that thread is about?
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Kerotan on Nov 08, 2018, 03:34 PM
What the fudge? Have you even read what that thread is about?
I briefly skimmed through the thread. Why?
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 08, 2018, 04:44 PM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/motherboard-'red-dead-redemption-2'-players-are-excited-to-attack-and-kill-feminists-in-the-game.79514/

Too right. Punching those annoying babies has always been one of the best features in rockstar games.
I have to wonder why you put it in the politics thread.

"annoying babies"
In the game, the women are suffragettes trying to get the right to vote.   To call this comment degrading just doesn't cover it.
Additionally, it's a bit disturbing that you think punching annoying people is one of the best features in a game.  

I'm pretty sure a few people here would themselves feminists, so not the best comment to make.  

What the fudge? Have you even read what that thread is about?
A part of me is impressed that a game allows someone to do that, and most of me is incredibly disturbed that someone did it.  

I briefly skimmed through the thread. Why?
Part of it is about a video where the guy roped a lady, pulled her across the road hanging by a rope, carried to a swamp and fed to an alligator.  
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 08, 2018, 05:06 PM
I briefly skimmed through the thread. Why?
As Pi said, this person in the game is hardly just a feminist, they are a suffragette. Historically these women were incredible, they fought through so much oppression and hardship to win the right to vote for women. Calling them an annoying feminist is disrespectful at best.

In this particular case, this guy was finding as many different ways he could to kill this woman and posting all of them on youtube. Each time with a title of something like "KILLING ANNOYING FEMINIST BY HOG-TIE+TRAIN LOL", which is just despicable really. Youtube rightly banned him for it, yet he tried to defend himself by saying he's been badly treated by youtube because all he did was punch women and no one would bat an eye if it was a male NPC... I mean give me a break. Sounds like the guy is a total idiot and a massive crustard, good riddance to him.

Anyway, some media outlet comes out with the headline of gamers enjoy beating feminists, which is just completely overblown and is very much clickbait considering its just an article about this broad's videos. Whole thing is just a mess, but saying its a great feature to punch these annoying babies is just so off the mark. Sure, sometimes in games and especially R* games there are annoying characters, male and female, which you might enjoy beating up. This isn't one of those cases.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Kerotan on Nov 09, 2018, 02:30 AM
Who gives a fook if there's feminists here. You can do all these things in the game so there's no problem doing it. If it's a problem then the reviewers should slaughter it.

It's a game from rockstar. Gta, rdr it's not real life folks. I'd never punch an annoying feminist in real life but in rdr or gta? Oh I can't wait.

Btw i find it extremely disturbing you lot shoot and kill so many innocent people on rdr. Dispicable behaviour. Like these innocents are good men with family's and you kill them?

And when the online launches, surely you won't kill characters controlled by real people? Like these guys could represent little kids playing online. How could you possibly kill them?
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 09, 2018, 02:41 AM
Who gives a fook if there's feminists here. You can do all these things in the game so there's no problem doing it. If it's a problem then the reviewers should slaughter it.
Posting videos to get a rise out of feminists is the problem.

Btw i find it extremely disturbing you lot shoot and kill so many innocent people on rdr. Dispicable behaviour. Like these innocents are good men with family's and you kill them?

And when the online launches, surely you won't kill characters controlled by real people? Like these guys could represent little kids playing online. How could you possibly kill them?

Well personally, I don't kill people that are innocent in games.

Shoot a virtual person, big deal.  Male, female, whatever.
But if you're video taping torturing them, I feel different about that.  That starts to get creepy, in my view.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 09, 2018, 11:13 AM
Who gives a fook if there's feminists here. You can do all these things in the game so there's no problem doing it. If it's a problem then the reviewers should slaughter it.

It's a game from rockstar. Gta, rdr it's not real life folks. I'd never punch an annoying feminist in real life but in rdr or gta? Oh I can't wait.

Btw i find it extremely disturbing you lot shoot and kill so many innocent people on rdr. Dispicable behaviour. Like these innocents are good men with family's and you kill them?

And when the online launches, surely you won't kill characters controlled by real people? Like these guys could represent little kids playing online. How could you possibly kill them?

There's a big difference between killing random NPCs without much thought and killing the same NPC over and over again in as many sadistic ways as possible to push an anti feminist agenda online.

Sure, I could understand just blasting the woman in the face because she annoyed you, sometimes I kill NPCs that have pissed me off in R* games to. But this really isn't that, it's much more serious and you should stop pretending otherwise.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Kerotan on Nov 09, 2018, 03:24 PM
There's a big difference between killing random NPCs without much thought and killing the same NPC over and over again in as many sadistic ways as possible to push an anti feminist agenda online.

Sure, I could understand just blasting the woman in the face because she annoyed you, sometimes I kill NPCs that have pissed me off in R* games to. But this really isn't that, it's much more serious and you should stop pretending otherwise.
First of all he's doing it to get YouTube views for money. It's obviously working as his channel blew up. Great business decision.

Secondly these things are all possible in a game. Not only that but other games focus on these very things. There are horror games out there that focus on horrible gruesome torture and there are games like hitman that let you replay a level over and over to try and kill the same people (not always deserving of death) in multiple different ways.

Sure on hitman last week there was some dude I had to kill and i drowned him the bowl of the toilet. You are over sensitive if this stuff triggers you.

"to push an anti feminist agenda online."

Who gives a fook if we annoy feminists. They are possible the most annoying group out there atm and deserve to be trolled. And this coming from a man who treats women with the utmost respect.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 09, 2018, 04:04 PM
First of all he's doing it to get YouTube views for money. It's obviously working as his channel blew up. Great business decision.

Secondly these things are all possible in a game. Not only that but other games focus on these very things. There are horror games out there that focus on horrible gruesome torture and there are games like hitman that let you replay a level over and over to try and kill the same people (not always deserving of death) in multiple different ways.

Sure on hitman last week there was some dude I had to kill and i drowned him the bowl of the toilet. You are over sensitive if this stuff triggers you.

"to push an anti feminist agenda online."

Who gives a fook if we annoy feminists. They are possible the most annoying group out there atm and deserve to be trolled. And this coming from a man who treats women with the utmost respect.
Yes you can always count on certain groups online to watch shame like that. His other videos since haven't gained any viewership, as people clearly aren't interested. Sure he did it for views, but he knew he was going to get those views from anti-feminists. He did it anyway, clearly he has no morals at best or is anti-feminist himself. His videos and his comments are only encouraging and empowering people who have abhorrent views about women.

Yes sure other games focus on killing people and games like Hitman are built around assassinations. But none of these games are making you kill historical figures like Suffragettes, if they did I'm sure there would be a huge outrage online.

Who the fudge said I'm triggered? I'm fine with killing in games in general, I'm not fine with targeting and effectively shitting on the suffragette movement, one of the most incredible movements in modern history. And anyway, other games and killing in games has nothing to do with what I'm saying and I've never once said that is what I have a problem with.

Every group has its extremists, most feminists are fairly normal people who just support equal rights for women. In any case, they do not deserve to be trolled and if you think so then you clearly don't treat women with upmost respect.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Kerotan on Nov 09, 2018, 04:41 PM
This is the biggest problem these days. People bringing their movements into games. That's fine but don't force it on everything. Especially not Rockstar games.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 09, 2018, 04:48 PM
This is the biggest problem these days. People bringing their movements into games. That's fine but don't force it on everything. Especially not Rockstar games.

It's not their movement.  
It's a historical movement.  
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Kerotan on Nov 09, 2018, 04:49 PM
It's not their movement.  
It's a historical movement.  
But it's a game not a history lesson.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 09, 2018, 04:56 PM
But it's a game not a history lesson.
It's a game set in history.
They're free to put whatever they want in it.

If you can't play it without getting triggered, then you have the right not to buy it.  
You have the right not to buy it, just as they have the right to put whatever they want in it.  
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Kerotan on Nov 09, 2018, 06:03 PM
It's a game set in history.
They're free to put whatever they want in it.

If you can't play it without getting triggered, then you have the right not to buy it.  
You have the right not to buy it, just as they have the right to put whatever they want in it.  
Just as you have the right to buy it and do whatever you want with it. Including punching an annoying feminist in the face  :D ;D
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 09, 2018, 06:12 PM
Just as you have the right to buy it and do whatever you want with it. Including punching an annoying feminist in the face  :D ;D
Right, but don't be surprised if people call you a nasty person for acting nasty.  Which that person is.

And again, she's a suffragette.  She's not some random feminist screaming about men.  She was trying to get the right to vote.

The US started a war, because people thought they should be able to be represented.  
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 09, 2018, 06:28 PM
This is the biggest problem these days. People bringing their movements into games. That's fine but don't force it on everything. Especially not Rockstar games.

As Pi is saying, it was a historical movement at the time. They put it in their mainly for story purposes, there's a couple of missions involving it which I thought were great. Otherwise, you can just ignore it if you want to.

I see where you're coming from though, and no doubt R* knew this would be seen as some sort of political statement. I like that they did it though, the story of suffragettes isn't know well enough.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Kerotan on Nov 09, 2018, 07:17 PM
As Pi is saying, it was a historical movement at the time. They put it in their mainly for story purposes, there's a couple of missions involving it which I thought were great. Otherwise, you can just ignore it if you want to.

I see where you're coming from though, and no doubt R* knew this would be seen as some sort of political statement. I like that they did it though, the story of suffragettes isn't know well enough.
I have no problem with R* picking and choosing different movements. I've a problem with modern day movements trying to influence games. Such as the feminazis crying because someone punched a woman in this game.

Big deal. He bought the game and has the right to upload it. Maybe these feminists should post videos of themselves being nice to the woman and not hitting her. No problem with them taking that angle. But trying to influence the rights of gamers just because they did something they didn't like in the game. As I always like to say "Don't tell me what to do!!!".


Right, but don't be surprised if people call you a nasty person for acting nasty.  Which that person is.

And again, she's a suffragette.  She's not some random feminist screaming about men.  She was trying to get the right to vote.

The US started a war, because people thought they should be able to be represented.  
Yeah well people who have opinions like that are not important to me. I kill people on rainbow 6 siege and tea bag them for the kill cam. Am I nasty for tea bagging a dead corpse or because the special forces would never do that.

Anybody that wants to judge me based off a video game have serious mental issues in my book. What about getting a 5 star wanted level murdering civilians on GTA? God i remember as kids we used to love doing that. Were we nasty kids?

I'm trying to think what other bad things I've done in games but it's escaping me atm. Oh yeah what about choosing to play the mission on mw2 where you get to slaughter hundreds of people in an airport? I suppose I'm a terrible person for that too.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 09, 2018, 07:25 PM
I suppose you bring up an interesting topic. Even though its just games I never go around murdering people. Even in GTA its just not something I've ever done, I don't enjoy it and it makes me feel bad.

That MW2 mission you mentioned, I didn't shoot a single bullet until we got outside and had to fight the armed police, I just sat back and watched in horror. Actually I seem to recall trying to shoot the other guys in the back the first time I did it but the mission failed me for doing that.

That being said, I'm not going to judge anyone who does murder NPCs in video games, it is just a game and some people find it fun.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 09, 2018, 07:42 PM
Back to the topic of elections. I honestly can't help but laugh at all the stupid conservatives who are crying about corruption and what-not because there's still votes being counted. I mean seriously, it only took me a few minutes reading to find out how America's counting system works.

Postal ballots can be mailed in up until the day of the election, so a lot of them come in after and are counted later, like what's happening now. Some people are just ridiculous. Since when is making sure every vote is counted 'corruption' or 'stealing an election'. In every other developed country we'd call that basic democracy.

Oh and yes, one of those stupid conservatives claiming the Dems are trying to steal elections is none other than the oversized wotsit who sits in the white house.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Kerotan on Nov 09, 2018, 07:47 PM
I suppose you bring up an interesting topic. Even though its just games I never go around murdering people. Even in GTA its just not something I've ever done, I don't enjoy it and it makes me feel bad.

That MW2 mission you mentioned, I didn't shoot a single bullet until we got outside and had to fight the armed police, I just sat back and watched in horror. Actually I seem to recall trying to shoot the other guys in the back the first time I did it but the mission failed me for doing that.

That being said, I'm not going to judge anyone who does murder NPCs in video games, it is just a game and some people find it fun.
And that's cool. You won't hear me saying "oh Xev he's such a nice guy, never once murdered someone in a video game".

Because I'd literally be mentally retarded and unbelievable naive to think like that. Some people play video games and like to escape from who they really are, some like to be who they are. But many like myself don't give a fook and just do whatever. It means nothing, but I do know one thing. If i can do something that might annoy somebody when it shouldn't, I probably will. And that's why i teabag on siege or write what a save x3 on rocket league after scoring a goal. It's also why I'd say I'll punch a lady on rdr2. Not that i hate ladies, but i hate the thought these rights campaigners can tell me what to do on a game i buy.

And it's very useful on games like RL & R6. All part of the mental warfare that can give you the edge.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Legend on Nov 09, 2018, 08:00 PM
Back to the topic of elections. I honestly can't help but laugh at all the stupid conservatives who are crying about corruption and what-not because there's still votes being counted. I mean seriously, it only took me a few minutes reading to find out how America's counting system works.

Postal ballots can be mailed in up until the day of the election, so a lot of them come in after and are counted later, like what's happening now. Some people are just ridiculous. Since when is making sure every vote is counted 'corruption' or 'stealing an election'. In every other developed country we'd call that basic democracy.

Oh and yes, one of those stupid conservatives claiming the Dems are trying to steal elections is none other than the oversized wotsit who sits in the white house.
I thought they needed to arrive by the election? Mailing date doesn't matter.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 09, 2018, 08:06 PM
And that's cool. You won't hear me saying "oh Xev he's such a nice guy, never once murdered someone in a video game".

Because I'd literally be mentally retarded and unbelievable naive to think like that. Some people play video games and like to escape from who they really are, some like to be who they are. But many like myself don't give a fook and just do whatever. It means nothing, but I do know one thing. If i can do something that might annoy somebody when it shouldn't, I probably will. And that's why i teabag on siege or write what a save x3 on rocket league after scoring a goal. It's also why I'd say I'll punch a lady on rdr2. Not that i hate ladies, but i hate the thought these rights campaigners can tell me what to do on a game i buy.

And it's very useful on games like RL & R6. All part of the mental warfare that can give you the edge.
Well exactly, I'd barely ever judge anyone based on what they do in games. What that guy did with the suffragette though was just disturbing really. If it was just a random NPC then maybe I wouldn't view it so negatively, but it was the fact it was coupled with the whole 'annoying feminist' shame he was pushing.

I forgot to mention that the guy was also commenting on his own videos with some pretty shaming anti-feminist stuff as well, which is why I said he had an agenda.

I thought they needed to arrive by the election? Mailing date doesn't matter.
I think it varies by state, I definitely read that in Arizona they had ballots still coming in a few days after. Either that or they just left mailed in ballots for a few days for the nuggets and giggles. They still had 600k to count over two days after polling had finished.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 09, 2018, 08:58 PM
Kerotan you still don't understand what I'm saying.  I'm not judging you for things you did in a video game.  

The nastiness is posting it online trying to get a rise out of people.  
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Kerotan on Nov 09, 2018, 09:51 PM
Kerotan you still don't understand what I'm saying.  I'm not judging you for things you did in a video game.  

The nastiness is posting it online trying to get a rise out of people.  
Yeah but it was a very lucrative decision for him to do so. I can't blame him. All the outrage just made him richer.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Dec 21, 2018, 12:12 AM
Trump has pushed Mattis out. Soon there will be not one sane person left in the administration.

In his "resignation" letter, he said he doesn't agree with Trump on these issues and says:

- NATO is good and important
- We need to support US allies
- ISIS isn't actually defeated
- Russia and China are adversaries, not allies

Obviously the orange waffle thinks the opposite on all of these.

I'm sure this is all fine!
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Dec 23, 2018, 05:48 PM
Trump changes course on Mattis, will fire him on January 1. | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-changes-course-on-mattis-will-fire-him-on-january-1.88997/)

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Mattis was originally going to leave on February 28 but I suppose someone explained to President chicken nugget that Mattis' letter trashed him on the way out.

 Trump was already feeling blowback on forcing out such a universally popular figure, now that he's outright firing him I can only expect that to get worse.   
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So Trump had Mattis' letter but didn't bother reading it, because it was over a page and that's about 5x more than his attention span can handle. But he's now seen, probably on TV, that Mattis was pretty damning in his letter and rebuked him on a lot of things. Plus he's got annoyed at all the praise Mattis has been getting and the criticism that he's been getting. So now he's having Mattis leave on Jan 1st instead of Feb 28th.

I swear to god Trump would lose an intelligence test against a potato. He's such a fudgy baby. How did you guys go from Obama to this?
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Dec 25, 2018, 09:29 AM
Trump to 7 year old: "Are you still a believer in Santa? Because at seven it's marginal, right?" | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-to-7-year-old-are-you-still-a-believer-in-santa-because-at-seven-its-marginal-right.89274/)

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Just a normal guy who can converse normally. Merry Christmas!  
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Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Dec 25, 2018, 03:27 PM
Trump to 7 year old: "Are you still a believer in Santa? Because at seven it's marginal, right?" | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-to-7-year-old-are-you-still-a-believer-in-santa-because-at-seven-its-marginal-right.89274/)

Literal turnip.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Jan 12, 2019, 01:26 PM
NYT: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia After Firing Comey | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/nyt-f-b-i-opened-inquiry-into-whether-trump-was-secretly-working-on-behalf-of-russia-after-firing-comey.92943/)

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/fbi-trump-russia-inquiry.html
   WASHINGTON -- In the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/09/us/politics/james-comey-fired-fbi.html?module=inline) as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president's behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests, according to former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation.

 The inquiry carried explosive implications. Counterintelligence investigators had to consider whether the president's own actions constituted a possible threat to national security. Agents also sought to determine whether Mr. Trump was knowingly working for Russia or had unwittingly fallen under Moscow's influence.

 The investigation the F.B.I. opened into Mr. Trump also had a criminal aspect, which has long been publicly known (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/14/us/politics/mueller-trump-special-counsel-investigation.html?module=inline): whether his firing of Mr. Comey constituted obstruction of justice.  Click to expand...    
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So the FBI had enough evidence and felt it necessary to open an investigation into whether Trump is working for Russia. That investigation was taken over by Mueller and is probably still ongoing.

Is there even any doubt at this point that the President has committed treason?
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Jan 15, 2019, 05:48 PM
UK parliament votes on the brexit deal this evening, finally.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Jan 15, 2019, 07:41 PM
Government loses vote by 202 votes to 432. Biggest loss for a government in UK history by 66 votes, ouch.

Chaos now ensues.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Legend on Jan 15, 2019, 07:46 PM
Government loses vote by 202 votes to 432. Biggest loss for a government in UK history by 66 votes, ouch.

Chaos now ensues.
How does a government lose a vote? Who were they voting against?
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Jan 15, 2019, 07:59 PM
How does a government lose a vote? Who were they voting against?
"Government" in the UK refers to the prime minister and his/her cabinet. I guess its kind of similar to the "administration" in the US. Most ideas/ laws they put forward have to be voted on by MPs (including the 30 MPs that make up the cabinet). There aren't any executive powers for the government. Anyone can put forward a vote/ amendment to a current bill to parliament. The ones put forward by the government are always agreed by cabinet and are expected to pass through the house.

Normally, the ruling government's party has a majority in the house and their own party will vote with them, meaning pretty much all motions they put forward are voted "aye". Sometimes there are rebels within a party but they usually aren't numerous enough to force a loss.

This current government has only 317 MPs (out of 650) and are held up by a confidence and supply agreement with the DUP (who have 10 MPs). Sinn Fein hold 7 seats (Irish party) and they never vote, so total voting MPs are 643.

Normally on a huge deal for the government like this, the entire opposition will vote against them (316 in this case). However, the DUP won't vote for the deal due to parts of the deal about Northern Ireland and in fact said they'll vote no, so that was 326 total against.

So at this point, the government needed the entirety of their own party to vote for their deal plus they would need 5 members of the opposition to flip and vote for them. What actually happened was that over 100 conservatives voted against their own government (which was roughly expected, but not quite in the number that actually happened), and the government lost by a massive margin.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Jan 15, 2019, 08:15 PM
Against: 432

LAB: 248
CON: 118
SNP: 35
LDEM: 11
DUP: 10
Ind.: 5
PC: 4
GREEN: 1

Support: 202

CON: 196
LAB: 3
Ind.: 3

118 rebels is absolutely crushing for the tories, holy shame. Only 3 labour MPs voted for, that's nice.

No confidence vote called for tomorrow. Government expected to win that.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Jan 15, 2019, 09:55 PM
Against: 432

LAB: 248
CON: 118
SNP: 35
LDEM: 11
DUP: 10
Ind.: 5
PC: 4
GREEN: 1

Support: 202

CON: 196
LAB: 3
Ind.: 3

118 rebels is absolutely crushing for the tories, holy shame. Only 3 labour MPs voted for, that's nice.

No confidence vote called for tomorrow. Government expected to win that.
So brexit is off?
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Jan 16, 2019, 12:49 AM
So brexit is off?
Unfortunately not. There's a no confidence vote tomorrow, and who knows what after that. Everyone's going to be fighting over what they want to happen, I'm just hoping we get a second referendum.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Jan 16, 2019, 10:18 PM
God I can't fudgy stand Theresa May. We're at a stand still and the parties need to cooperate.

Every party leader comes out and says yeah we'd love to talk if you just guarantee the disaster that is no deal won't happen. She says no, no, no, no, because she knows she'll get backstabbed if she does that by the brexiteers in her party who have a hard-on for no deal, and she worries she'll lose the vote from a lot of Tory voters who want no deal.

Then comes out and says to the other leaders stop putting party interest first and cooperate. What a crustard.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 18, 2019, 03:14 AM
https://thehill-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/thehill.com/homenews/media/430417-chris-wallace-calls-out-rush-limbaugh-for-being-outraged-when-obama-took?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&amp#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fthehill.com%2Fhomenews%2Fmedia%2F430417-chris-wallace-calls-out-rush-limbaugh-for-being-outraged-when-obama-took

Fox News' Chris Wallace Hammers Stephen Miller: How Is This a 'National Emergency?' (https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-chris-wallace-hammers-stephen-miller-how-is-this-a-national-emergency)

Chris Wallace calling out conservatives.   ;D
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 18, 2019, 04:46 AM
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In discussing concerns about Trump's attitude toward Russia, McCabe recounted on "60 Minutes" a briefing he received from a bureau official who had attended a meeting with the president. McCabe said the official described Trump siding with Russian President Vladimir Putin over American intelligence officials on the subject of North Korea's nuclear capabilities.

"Essentially, the president said he did not believe that the North Koreans had the capability to hit us here with ballistic missiles in the United States. And he did not believe that because President Putin had told him they did not. President Putin had told him that the North Koreans don't actually have those missiles," McCabe said.

"Intelligence officials in the briefing responded that that was not consistent with any of the intelligence our government possesses, to which the president replied, 'I don't care. I believe Putin.'"

McCabe: 'I was fired because I opened a case against the president' - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/17/mccabe-fired-trump-fbi-1173596)

How anybody can defend such a POS, is so far beyond me.  


Trump Circulates Limbaugh Quote Calling for Mueller Investigators to 'Be in Jail' (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-circulates-limbaugh-quote-calling-for-mueller-investigators-to-be-in-jail)



If it comes out, that Trump is innocent according to Mueller, I'm going to move to a different country.  Full stop.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 20, 2019, 04:26 AM
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People need to realize this point is moot: whether or not Trump is actively aware, and intentionally operating on behalf of Russia, he has still done more in two years to advance the agenda of this hostile foreign nation, to the detriment of the US, than any other person in recent memory.

We seem hopelessly entangled in answering the question of whether he's knowingly operating on Russia's behalf and have neglected the fact that he is actively aiding Russia and harming us egregiously in the process.

There is no circumstance where Trump ought not be immediately impeached for the things we have witnessed occur in plain sight.

He advanced a withdrawal from Syria - against all counsel of all relevant expers - to Russia's delight. No explanation for this was ever provided to the American people.

He has refused to enforce sanctions legally codified into law - and in some cases reversed standing sanctions. No explanation for this was ever provided to the American people.

He has denounced his own intelligence agencies in a press conference with Putin on election meddling - and publicly endorsed Putin's version of events. No explanation for this was ever provided to the American people.

He has conducted numerous completely private meetings and conferences with Putin, and has gone to great lengths to prevent literally anyone, even people in his administration, from learning what was discussed. No explanation for this was ever provided to the American people.

He has lied countless times about having business interests in Russia, which have been clearly and undeniably proven false in extremely public ways. No explanation for this was ever provided to the American people.

He pulled out of the INF treaty, which allows Putin to create missiles that can threaten Europe with impunity, whereas before, there would be sanctions and severe penalties for doing so. No explanation for this was ever provided to the American people.

At every step, he has handed Russia enormous concessions with no justification. He takes Putin's word - a notorious liar - at face value, always, above all of his own countrymen, and even the people he himself hired to lead his agencies.

Now let us also remember, Russia is nothing compared to the US. The US has infinitely more muscle than Russia. This is why the policy - right up until Trump - has been to deal with them through sanctions and military conflicts where necessary.

They agitate, they hit and run, but Russia is an organized crime state whose economy is nearly collapsed, whose leadership consists of a coalition of loosely allied kleptocrats, oligarchs, and billionaires, all of whom are just as likely to knife each other as their foreign adversaries.

Had Clinton won, she would have continued her policy she advanced at the State Department, and sanctioned Russia until Putin's government imploded from the stress of Putin's brutality and kleptocracy. Which, obviously, is why he pulled out all the stops to ensure Clinton did not win the election.

The evidence is unambiguous. Trump - for reasons we do not know but ought not really care - betrayed, is betraying the US to Putin's Russia, each and every day.

So, I ask - why do we care whether he's a card-carrying Russian agent enthusiastic about the cause, a victim of blackmail, a seeker of quid pro quo, or just a really gullible imbecile?

He is clearly and transparently committing treason right out in the open. He has sacrificed our security and our interests to advance Russia's. Ignorance is not an excuse here. Let the courts sort that out, but this is far and away grossly impeachable behavior, and a level of embarrassing and humiliating subservience the likes of which have never been witnessed from an American leader on the world stage.

And let's not forget - let's always footnote talk about Trump's treason with the fact that this is just one of MANY separate, discrete, and unique massive, impeachable scandals. On top of pursuing the agenda of a hostile foreign nation, he also committed numerous acts of campaign finance violation, stood behind and refused to condemn nazis and white supremacists, publicly attacked private citizens and the media, condemned his own agents and agencies for legally investigating him, told nearly ten thousand lies about things ranging from serious to extremely mundane, appointed his own family members to positions far above their capacity (breaking many ethics laws and vetting procedures to do so and get them clearance).

And the list goes on. Seriously, it goes on and on and on and on. I could exhaust myself listing out the oaths Trump has betrayed, the crimes he has committed, the many more crimes he has probably committed, the constitutional amendments he has attacked or condemned, all of which, in and of themselves, should warrant impeachment or serious scrutiny.

The last President was impeached, by Republicans, for one - one - count of perjury, about a meaningless sexual exploit. Which was an actual example of a perjury trap, by the way, wherein the prosecutor gets the defendant on the stand, on the record, for a crime - in this case, the Whitewater investigations into Clinton's real estate dealings, and then questions him about something embarassing but irrelevant and not illegal, compelling the defendant to lie and commit perjury to prevent embarassment.

That's what Republicans thought qualified a previous President for impeachment.

And now we come to Trump, who has a list of genuine impeachable criteria so long I legitimately can't remember all of them in one go. of these things. All of these individual scandals or crimes or gross acts of idiocy demonstrating severely compromised judgment and ability to execute the powers of the office.

And then you add actual treason on top of it. A violation of America and its interests not only inconceivable in its treachery, but to a far, far, far weaker adversary.

So what the fudge is he still doing in the oval?
McCabe: 'I think it's possible' Trump is a Russian asset : politics (https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/asioa5/mccabe_i_think_its_possible_trump_is_a_russian/eguoo9q)
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Jul 02, 2019, 09:23 AM
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 @AOC Just left the 1st CBP facility. I see why CBP officers were being so physically &sexually threatening towards me. Officers were keeping women in cells w/ no water & had told them to drink out of the toilets. This was them on their GOOD behavior in front of members of Congress.

 EDIT: More:


 @AOC Now I've seen the inside of these facilities. It's not just the kids. It's everyone. People drinking out of toilets, officers laughing in front of members Congress. I brought it up to their superiors. They said "officers are under stress & act out sometimes." No accountability.

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Absent said: (http://vizioneck.com/goto/post?id=22392871)    Even more:


 fudge, man.  Click to expand... Click to shrink...  
EDIT: For those asking about AOC taking pictures/video:


 @AOC CBP made us check our phones. But one woman slipped me this packet to take with me. It says "shampoo," but she told me that this is all they give women to wash their entire body. Nothing else. Some women's hair was falling out. Others had gone 15 days without taking a shower.  
Trump on homelessness: "It's a phenomena that started two years ago" | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-on-homelessness-its-a-phenomena-that-started-two-years-ago.126799/)

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From his latest interview with Tucker Carlson:



 In general it's just a very out-of-character performance from our Dear Leader - slurred speech, low stamina... Sad!

 Transcript of their exchange under the spoiler:
  Spoiler       (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-cFrtRXoAA-ayF?format=jpg&name=900x900)      
This is what fascism looks like. There should be outrage in the streets but most of the country is actually happy about this or just doesn't care. What a horrible country you've turned into, America :(
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 02, 2019, 11:48 AM
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez after visiting border detention facility: People are without water/told to drink out of toilets while guards laugh at them | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-after-visiting-border-detention-facility-people-are-without-water-told-to-drink-out-of-toilets-while-guards-laugh-at-them.126708/)
EDIT: For those asking about AOC taking pictures/video:


 @AOC CBP made us check our phones. But one woman slipped me this packet to take with me. It says "shampoo," but she told me that this is all they give women to wash their entire body. Nothing else. Some women's hair was falling out. Others had gone 15 days without taking a shower.  

Trump on homelessness: "It's a phenomena that started two years ago" | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-on-homelessness-its-a-phenomena-that-started-two-years-ago.126799/)

This is what fascism looks like. There should be outrage in the streets but most of the country is actually happy about this or just doesn't care. What a horrible country you've turned into, America :(
We have to take back the country
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 09, 2019, 12:25 PM
(https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2019/08/09/10/ebf7z-uw4aapkyp.jpg)

Trump takes picture with baby who survived shooting, and parents died in the shooting.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 15, 2019, 08:42 PM
Freedom Toons and PragerU really irritate me.  

Their videos get millions of views and yet even the better ones are basically half true garbage to push their beliefs.  
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Legend on Mar 03, 2020, 09:11 PM
Bit of a bump but go vote if you are in a super Tuesday state!
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 06, 2020, 08:10 PM
Getting close to the 2020 election.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Legend on Oct 07, 2020, 01:51 AM
Getting close to the 2020 election.
Once again, don't forget to vote!
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Oct 07, 2020, 08:48 AM
Don't think I'll be voting guys :(
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 07, 2020, 08:58 AM
How the hell would Trump be allowed from the hospital and straight into the white house (not isolation)?
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Oct 07, 2020, 09:32 AM
How the hell would Trump be allowed from the hospital and straight into the white house (not isolation)?
Everyone in the white house has it already.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 12, 2020, 10:18 PM
I hope it's okay that I stickied this.

3 weeks away from a big election.  In a lot of ways probably the biggest one ever.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 20, 2020, 03:26 PM
2 weeks away.  
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Oct 20, 2020, 10:19 PM
2 weeks away.  
It gets scarier every day.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 23, 2020, 06:06 PM


Can I vote too?
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 24, 2020, 03:13 PM
A week from Tuesday. 10 days away.

*Breathes*

538 still shows a very high chance of Biden winning, higher than Clinton ever did.

This is a very bizarre cycle. With prominent conservatives asking people not to vote for Trump.
There's literally a wiki page (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Republicans_who_oppose_the_Donald_Trump_2020_presidential_campaign)

Xev keeping me updated on the trends show none of them matter to the masses.  
2020 Election Forecast | FiveThirtyEight (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/)

I'm terrified of what the future holds.  There's a lot at stake here.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Oct 24, 2020, 03:48 PM
A week from Tuesday. 10 days away.

*Breathes*

538 still shows a very high chance of Biden winning, higher than Clinton ever did.

This is a very bizarre cycle. With prominent conservatives asking people not to vote for Trump.
There's literally a wiki page (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Republicans_who_oppose_the_Donald_Trump_2020_presidential_campaign)

Xev keeping me updated on the trends show none of them matter to the masses.  
2020 Election Forecast | FiveThirtyEight (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/)

I'm terrified of what the future holds.  There's a lot at stake here.
There's a lot at stake for sure. It looks very good for Biden, much better than it did for Clinton than for many reasons.

That being said, 13% chance for Trump is still high, you wouldn't bet your house against it.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 25, 2020, 05:26 PM


Can I vote too?
No reaction
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 25, 2020, 05:44 PM
No reaction
I was keeping my disappointment to myself.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 25, 2020, 06:54 PM
I was keeping my disappointment to myself.
Did you watch
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Oct 25, 2020, 10:46 PM
No reaction
I prefer a different Daddario
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 25, 2020, 10:57 PM
I prefer a different Daddario
Don't know anyone else
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Oct 25, 2020, 11:02 PM
Don't know anyone else
There's two famous Daddario siblings. The other one is hotter ;)
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 25, 2020, 11:04 PM
Did you watch
Yes :P
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 25, 2020, 11:05 PM
There's two famous Daddario siblings. The other one is hotter ;)
That's some bullshite. Look at the eyes!
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Oct 25, 2020, 11:06 PM
Speaking of hot.



Imagine if Texas goes blue, it'd be a big shock.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 25, 2020, 11:06 PM
That's some bullshite. Look at the eyes!
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4e/11/4c/4e114cae5d7628fd1b3c3a0e1fe60f2b.png)
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Oct 25, 2020, 11:09 PM
That's some bullshite. Look at the eyes!
Spoiler for Eyes:
(https://jalmics.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/matt.jpg)


They got some gooooood genes.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 25, 2020, 11:09 PM
Speaking of hot.



Imagine if Texas goes blue, it'd be a big shock.
If Texas went blue, I'd ...


You don't even want to know
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Oct 25, 2020, 11:11 PM
If Texas went blue, I'd ...


You don't even want to know
Oh but I do want to know.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 26, 2020, 12:24 AM
Speaking of hot.



Imagine if Texas goes blue, it'd be a big shock.
I hope it does.

I really don't think biden needs it but all Republicans need to reevaluate how they approach politics.  losing tx might just be the kick to the dog they need to realize that white supremesy, Christan supremesy, and anti-democracy is a losing colilition.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 26, 2020, 12:56 AM
I hope it does.

I really don't think biden needs it but all Republicans need to reevaluate how they approach politics.  losing tx might just be the kick to the dog they need to realize that white supremesy, Christan supremesy, and anti-democracy is a losing colilition.
I think they already know it's a losing position. Just makes them crazier.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 02, 2020, 12:20 PM
In a little over 24 hours or so, I'll be casting my vote. And less than 24 hours after that, we should get a good idea of how the election went.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 02, 2020, 12:35 PM


We have to vote out this POS.  
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Legend on Nov 02, 2020, 02:13 PM
Voted last night.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 02, 2020, 04:25 PM
i voted saturday.   i'm both hopeful and worried about the results of this election.   i fully believe american democracy dies if trump wins or steals the election.   republican's deserved to be walloped and kick-start a introspective period about how they are operating.    ...but there are enough crazies that they'll probably will just decide to kidnap and assassinate democrats like they tried in michigan.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Legend on Nov 02, 2020, 04:54 PM
i voted saturday.   i'm both hopeful and worried about the results of this election.   i fully believe american democracy dies if trump wins or steals the election.   republican's deserved to be walloped and kick-start a introspective period about how they are operating.    ...but there are enough crazies that they'll probably will just decide to kidnap and assassinate democrats like they tried in michigan.
I'm hopeful and worried too.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 02, 2020, 07:12 PM
i voted saturday.   i'm both hopeful and worried about the results of this election.   i fully believe american democracy dies if trump wins or steals the election.   republican's deserved to be walloped and kick-start a introspective period about how they are operating.    ...but there are enough crazies that they'll probably will just decide to kidnap and assassinate democrats like they tried in michigan.
Agree with all this, and what it might mean for the state and direction of the world if Trump wins. There's a lot riding on tomorrow, I'm rooting for all of you in America.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 03, 2020, 02:12 PM
Voting was odd.

Very much taking Covid seriously.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 03, 2020, 03:42 PM
I'm hopeful and worried too.

i see you updated the background to an american flag.  do you have an american flag on fire background ready in case things go bad today?
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Legend on Nov 03, 2020, 04:26 PM
i see you updated the background to an american flag.  do you have an american flag on fire background ready in case things go bad today?
I am taking this one step at a time but at the very least, national election=flag.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 03, 2020, 05:37 PM
i require you to take a stance.  you're either with us or against us:

Biden wins = fireworks
Trump wins = dumpster fire
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 03, 2020, 05:38 PM
Republicans out-voted Dems by 220k in 5 and a half hours in Florida, they hold a voted registration lead of 106k now. This is missing a few counties for election day numbers, Miami Dade included.

According to polling averages, any GOP+3 environment or bluer favours a Biden win in Florida.

If the current pace continues we're looking at total votes of:

GOP 4.41M (40.0%)
Dem 4.05M (36.6%)
NPA 2.60M (23.5%)

However the GOP hourly advantage is trending downards and this is missing some Dem favouring counties.So this will slightly overestimate the GOP lead. So yeah, good old Florida.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 03, 2020, 07:04 PM
Republicans out-voted Dems by 220k in 5 and a half hours in Florida, they hold a voted registration lead of 106k now. This is missing a few counties for election day numbers, Miami Dade included.

According to polling averages, any GOP+3 environment or bluer favours a Biden win in Florida.

If the current pace continues we're looking at total votes of:

GOP 4.41M (40.0%)
Dem 4.05M (36.6%)
NPA 2.60M (23.5%)

However the GOP hourly advantage is trending downards and this is missing some Dem favouring counties.So this will slightly overestimate the GOP lead. So yeah, good old Florida.

With each hour the end of day estimate gets better for Dems as while GOP still outvotes them, the ratio is getting better.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 03, 2020, 07:07 PM
With each hour the end of day estimate gets better for Dems as while GOP still outvotes them, the ratio is getting better.
what is your source?  I'm not seeing live results on the web.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 03, 2020, 07:20 PM
what is your source?  I'm not seeing live results on the web.
Counties release the data, this guy on twitter is collating it and giving updates: https://twitter.com/umichvoter99
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Legend on Nov 03, 2020, 07:52 PM
i require you to take a stance.  you're either with us or against us:

Biden wins = fireworks
Trump wins = dumpster fire
My stance is that I'm against that lol.

We're all well aware of the importance of this vote and how shameful a second term is.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Legend on Nov 03, 2020, 08:03 PM
I hope this isn't premature.

YOU MUST BE LOGGED IN TO SEE THIS CONTENT
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 03, 2020, 08:09 PM
Counties release the data, this guy on twitter is collating it and giving updates: https://twitter.com/umichvoter99
gotcha.  so fake news...

I hope this isn't premature.

YOU MUST BE LOGGED IN TO SEE THIS CONTENT
lol, we'll see.  my take is trump won't win with the voters but will take it to the courts no matter how bad he's losing. 

i'm a bit hearten to see a very conservative jugde throwing out the republican case against the 127k "drive through" votes in tx.  ..but i don't trust any republican to do the right thing these days and it only takes 1 PoS per state in probably 3 states to steal the election.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 03, 2020, 08:52 PM
Republicans out-voted Dems by 220k in 5 and a half hours in Florida, they hold a voted registration lead of 106k now. This is missing a few counties for election day numbers, Miami Dade included.

According to polling averages, any GOP+3 environment or bluer favours a Biden win in Florida.

If the current pace continues we're looking at total votes of:

GOP 4.41M (40.0%)
Dem 4.05M (36.6%)
NPA 2.60M (23.5%)

However the GOP hourly advantage is trending downards and this is missing some Dem favouring counties.So this will slightly overestimate the GOP lead. So yeah, good old Florida.
Dems are nearly at those numbers, Reps are still quite aways to go.  


I'm starting to feel good about FL.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 03, 2020, 09:02 PM
Dems are nearly at those numbers, Reps are still quite aways to go.  


I'm starting to feel good about FL.
Yep, we got some Miami Dade numbers and now my daily projection is down to just R+2.7. If that keeps going Biden should have Florida.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 03, 2020, 10:01 PM


By comparison: ~ 9.4 million votes in 2016
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 03, 2020, 10:18 PM


By comparison: ~ 9.4 million votes in 2016
Yep. Florida is heading for only R+2 in the end I think.

2016 was R+6 and Trump won by 1.2%.

2018 was R+4 and the Republicans won by ~0.5%

Independents are polling better for Biden than in the previous two elections aslo. This is good news.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 03, 2020, 11:21 PM
Two counties in indiana reporting so far:

Dekalb 2016 Trump +48%, 2020 +38%
Greene 2016 Trump +53%, 2020 Trump +39%

Not all 2020 votes in yet so could change, but good start.

Edit:

Steuben 2016 Trump +44%, 2020 Trump +33%
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 04, 2020, 12:26 AM
Miami-Dade is a disaster for Biden.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 04, 2020, 12:40 AM
Miami-Dade is a disaster for Biden.
just how.  how could it be practically even in miami.  smells like BS to me. 
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 04, 2020, 12:42 AM
I'm getting really nervous now.  trump is going to win. 
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 04, 2020, 01:16 AM
I'm getting really nervous now.  trump is going to win.
Why?
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 04, 2020, 01:19 AM
Why?
He's going to win Florida even bigger than last time, other swing states don't have enough counted to tell if they're going the same.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 04, 2020, 01:22 AM
Someone said Trump winning FL gives him a 1/3 chance.  :'(

I'm getting really nervous now.  trump is going to win.
My hope is declining
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 04, 2020, 01:25 AM
I mean how can one state that already was very republican change things so much?

People on reddit are more optimistic
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 04, 2020, 01:28 AM
I mean how can one state that already was very republican change things so much?

People on reddit are more optimistic
Very republican? Florida is the swingiest of swing states, Trump won it by 1.2% last time.

Georgia and NC both favouring Trump on NYT's needles now too.

For god's sake, its 2016 again.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 04, 2020, 01:33 AM
Very republican? Florida is the swingiest of swing states, Trump won it by 1.2% last time.

Georgia and NC both favouring Trump on NYT's needles now too.

For god's sake, its 2016 again.
Oh the stereotype made it seem like that.

Could mailed in votes swing things?
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 04, 2020, 01:35 AM
Oh the stereotype made it seem like that.

Could mailed in votes swing things?
Mailed in votes are what a lot of this is being based off.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 04, 2020, 02:03 AM
Oh the stereotype made it seem like that.

Could mailed in votes swing things?
The stereotype exists because FL has easy to access records. 

The state politically is basically The swing state. In 2000, Bush won by 0.009%. A race so close, it called for a recount.

In 2016, the race was also very close.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 04, 2020, 02:07 AM
Very republican? Florida is the swingiest of swing states, Trump won it by 1.2% last time.

Georgia and NC both favouring Trump on NYT's needles now too.

For god's sake, its 2016 again.
exactly.  
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 04, 2020, 02:08 AM
On the other hand, this result in Allentown, PA points to a Biden landslide in the midwest if its not an error. Lehigh County, PA with full reporting:

 2016: Clinton 81k (50%), Trump 74k(45%)
 
 2020: Biden 285k (81%), Trump 66k (19%)
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 04, 2020, 02:54 AM
Just assume it's 2016 again.

Maybe we will be pleasantly surprised.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 04, 2020, 03:12 AM
Arizona looks good, hopefully Biden can actually hold against the election day vote there.

If he flips Arizona it still looks good.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 04, 2020, 10:41 AM
Don't panic!

Trump falsely claims he has won election and demands Supreme Court stops more ballots being counted : politics (https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/jnsl9k/trump_falsely_claims_he_has_won_election_and/)

Trump doing his best dictator impression.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 04, 2020, 11:40 AM
Mail in votes seem to be saving us all.

Philadelphia reported 65k new mail vote counts, was 61k - 4k in favour of Biden. >200k more still to come in Philly and >1M in Penn. on the whole, Trump leads by 640k.

Detroit just reported 149k new mail votes, 140k - 9k in favour of Biden. Trump's lead down to 60k with lots more mail count still to come.

Wisconsin is on the brink of full reporting and it looks like Biden will win there thanks to the late mail report.

Georgia is waiting on ~10% of remaining vote, pretty much all mail-in from Atlanta and Suburbs. Biden could win there too, NYT gives him a 64% chance.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 04, 2020, 11:49 AM
Could mailed in votes swing things?
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 04, 2020, 01:12 PM




Could mailed in votes swing things?
Yes Pezus. Mailed in votes can swing things. I think in some respects it's swinging more than most people (on Era :P ) expected. Experts were saying it was pretty likely that Trump would be ahead on Election night, even if Biden would eventually win.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 04, 2020, 01:41 PM
i feel like such shame this morning.  
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 04, 2020, 02:17 PM
i feel like such shame this morning.  
Sleep well?
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 04, 2020, 02:35 PM
Sleep well?
not at all and i woke up to trump's declaration of victory and "mandiate" to stop counting ballots.  soo much stress, so much at stake.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 04, 2020, 05:46 PM
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 04, 2020, 07:20 PM
Mail in vote definitely swung things however when you said that Pez we were talking about NC and Florida where mail in vote came in first, we hadn't even seen the midwest yet.

Everything is happening as expected, except Trump has outperformed his polls pretty uniformly across the board once again.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 04, 2020, 07:59 PM
Mail in vote definitely swung things however when you said that Pez we were talking about NC and Florida where mail in vote came in first, we hadn't even seen the midwest yet.

Everything is happening as expected, except Trump has outperformed his polls pretty uniformly across the board once again.
i just don't get how soo many american can vote for that garbage.

biden is screwed.  with mcconnel at the head of his senate majority he will resume is obstructionism.   nothing, not one god dang thing, will pass in the next 2 years.   if clarence tomas were to die in march 2021 mcconnel would hold his seat vacant for 4 years...
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 04, 2020, 08:01 PM
Mail in vote definitely swung things however when you said that Pez we were talking about NC and Florida where mail in vote came in first, we hadn't even seen the midwest yet.

Everything is happening as expected, except Trump has outperformed his polls pretty uniformly across the board once again.
Oh I just meant in general
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 04, 2020, 08:42 PM
i just don't get how soo many american can vote for that garbage.
Huge amounts of propaganda and fear. 

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biden is screwed.  with mcconnel at the head of his senate majority he will resume is obstructionism.   nothing, not one god dang thing, will pass in the next 2 years.   if clarence tomas were to die in march 2021 mcconnel would hold his seat vacant for 4 years...
We are screwed domestically. 

But Biden winning still has a lot of benefits:
- Coronavirus task force
- CDC
- Paris Accord

Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 04, 2020, 11:04 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/04/mitch-mcconnells-senate-will-be-where-biden-presidency-goes-die/


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Mitch McConnell's Senate might be where the Biden presidency goes to die

It now looks likely that on Jan. 20 of next year, Legend Biden will become president of the United States. And after the inaugural balls are over that evening, he will take off his tuxedo, put on a scratchy jumpsuit and check into a prison cell whose keys are held by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.).

For months, we've been contemplating a world in which Biden wins the White House and Democrats narrowly take control of the Senate. We asked ourselves if they should get rid of the filibuster (yes, they should) or grant statehood to the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico (also yes).

But we didn't spend nearly enough time contemplating what it now looks like will be the reality: a Democratic president and a Republican Senate.

We've seen this before, most recently in the last two years of Barack Obama's second term. But this will be far, far worse than it was then. We're about to witness something unprecedented in American history.

In 2014, McConnell became majority leader after Obama had already achieved most of his major legislative goals, including passing the Affordable Care Act. But now he has a chance to sabotage a Democratic president right from the start. Just as important, he knows that no matter how far he goes, the Republican Party is likely to pay only a small political price. What they get in return will be worth every penny and more.

As of now, Democrats lost one Senate seat and gained two, giving them 48. While it's theoretically possible for them to get to 50 given the races where votes are still being counted, it looks extremely unlikely. Which means McConnell will remain as majority leader.

What does that mean? For starters, you can take all those meticulously prepared policy plans (https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/) Biden and his team devised during the campaign and toss them in the trash. There will be no expansion of health coverage, no aggressive legislation to address climate change, no move toward universal child care, no increase in the minimum wage, no new Voting Rights Act and no infrastructure spending. None of it.

Nor will there be a new stimulus bill to help the economy recover from the pandemic, since McConnell knows that Biden will be blamed if the economy continues to struggle. At most -- and even this is no guarantee -- McConnell may allow continuing resolutions that keep the government open at its current funding levels. There will be no other significant legislation as long as Republicans retain control.

That's just the beginning. McConnell now clearly believes that conservative domination of the courts is his most lasting legacy. Between now and January, during Trump's lame duck period, McConnell and Judiciary Committee Chair Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) will run a conveyor belt to confirm judges to every last open seat at every level.
And then the confirmation process will simply shut down. Forget about filling a Supreme Court vacancy if one occurs; McConnell won't permit Biden to fill any judicial vacancy. Not one.

"Oh, come on," you might be saying. "He'd never go that far." You don't think so? Just wait.

We're not done. The president gets to fill (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-administration-appointee-tracker/database/?itid=lk_inline_manual_21) about 4,000 positions throughout the executive branch, and a remarkable 1,200 of those require confirmation by the Senate. What if McConnell and the Republicans just decided to confirm none of Biden's appointments? No secretary of the Treasury, no EPA administrator, no assistant secretary of the Interior for Land and Minerals Management -- none of them. We've already got all those bureaucrats, Republicans will say, why do we need to keep adding more?
Or at the very least, they'll tell Biden: You can have a secretary of State if you really want one. But we get to tell you who it can and can't be. First rule: It has to be a Republican. Take it or leave it.

Such a comprehensive stonewall would be unprecedented in American history. But McConnell has shown not just a willingness but an eagerness to violate any norm or rule if it serves his party's purposes and he thinks he can get away with it. He'll come up with some ludicrous justification ("No president whose election was decided when it was 52 degrees in Washington in a year ending in zero has ever had his Cabinet confirmed!"), then every Republican will dutifully repeat it, and eventually Democrats will stop complaining, because what are you gonna do?

Biden's presidency would then limp along pathetically until the midterm elections in 2022, when there would be at least a glimmer of hope. More Republican Senate seats will be up (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_Senate_elections) that year; I count six that could be vulnerable, especially in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

But midterm elections usually favor the opposition party. Are Democratic voters going to turn out in droves to help a president who has been unable to deliver on any of his promises?

Of course, this all depends on every Republican senator going along with McConnell's plan for the Mother of All Stonewalls. Which they will. They've shown again and again that they don't care what norms are violated -- if they can do it, they will do it. Just ask Justice Amy Coney Barrett.

Then in four years, Republicans will say, "Look what a failure President Biden has been! Democrats can't get anything done!

I wish I could say that the voters will rise up in outrage and cast them out. But right now it's hard to feel optimistic.
so unfortunately true.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 04, 2020, 11:12 PM
At least Biden is winning

Or, more accurately, Trump is losing
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 04, 2020, 11:34 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/04/mitch-mcconnells-senate-will-be-where-biden-presidency-goes-die/



so unfortunately true.
Yeah. We need a miracle in Georgia to get the senate to 50-50.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 05, 2020, 01:01 AM
At least Biden is winning

Or, more accurately, Trump is losing
i'm starting to worry about nevada.  it is getting really close. 
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 05, 2020, 10:59 AM
i'm starting to worry about nevada.  it is getting really close.
It's been 8k lead since they finished all the in person votes. All that's left is later arriving mail-in which should still be Biden favoured.

Anyway, Nevada doesn't matter since Biden is looking to win Pennsylvania comfortably.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 05, 2020, 03:55 PM
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Nov 06, 2020, 01:57 PM


Biden has won.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 06, 2020, 02:03 PM


Biden has won.
The world won
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 06, 2020, 06:54 PM
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-biden-election-results-11-06-20/h_ac6abbe09f77af0899e4c98bacad22e9


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Trump has told people he has no plans to concede
Of course he doesn't...
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 07, 2020, 11:40 PM
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-biden-election-results-11-06-20/h_ac6abbe09f77af0899e4c98bacad22e9



Of course he doesn't...
(I hope he has to get escorted out)
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 08, 2020, 01:14 AM
for fudges sake.  scorched earth here we come..

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-Legend-biden-donald-trump-elections-c809d17b5cd34048e1a5e9bbb4b73cb7


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"We all know why Legend Biden is rushing to falsely pose as the winner, and why his media allies are trying so hard to help him: they don't want the truth to be exposed. The simple fact is this election is far from over. Legend Biden has not been certified as the winner of any states, let alone any of the highly contested states headed for mandatory recounts, or states where our campaign has valid and legitimate legal challenges that could determine the ultimate victor. In Pennsylvania, for example, our legal observers were not permitted meaningful access to watch the counting process. Legal votes decide who is president, not the news media.

"Beginning Monday, our campaign will start prosecuting our case in court to ensure election laws are fully upheld and the rightful winner is seated. The American People are entitled to an honest election: that means counting all legal ballots, and not counting any illegal ballots. This is the only way to ensure the public has full confidence in our election. It remains shocking that the Biden campaign refuses to agree with this basic principle and wants ballots counted even if they are fraudulent, manufactured, or cast by ineligible or deceased voters. Only a party engaged in wrongdoing would unlawfully keep observers out of the count room - and then fight in court to block their access.

"So what is Biden hiding? I will not rest until the American People have the honest vote count they deserve and that Democracy demands."
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 08, 2020, 03:37 AM
even having read it i can't believe it.  even having seen the picture i can't believe it.  these people lead america for 4 years...

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/11/four-seasons-total-landscaping-trump-team-news-conference.html


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Trump Team Holds News Conference Outside Drab Landscaping Firm, Next to Adult Book Store



On Saturday morning, shortly before the AP and other news outlets called the election for Legend Biden, President Donald Trump took to Twitter (https://twitter.com/josh_wingrove/status/1325088747675922432) to announce that his lawyers would be holding a "big press conference" in Philadelphia. But there seems to have been some major confusion about where it would be held. First Trump tweeted it would take place at the "Four Seasons, Philadelphia." Trump later corrected himself and said that the news conference was going to be held at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping. And the Four Seasons Hotel sent out its own tweet (https://twitter.com/FSPhiladelphia/status/1325102014964109312), making sure everyone knew that the news conference would not be held there but rather at the landscaping business that has "no relation with the hotel."

When journalists arrived at the site of the news conference, they were flabbergasted by the scene and many quickly speculated that someone in the Trump campaign made a serious mistake (https://twitter.com/SlexAxton/status/1325141204418191361). After all, the parking lot of a landscaping business in the outskirts of the city in an industrial part of town was a drab backdrop for a news conference by a president who wanted to convince Americans he still had a chance of winning. And making matters even stranger, the landscaping business was between an adult bookstore and a cremation center. The location led to lots (https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/1325132671140327427) of mockery online (https://twitter.com/SlexAxton/status/1325141204418191361), and many people (https://twitter.com/sfiegerman/status/1325117371422543874) were very happy (https://twitter.com/VaushV/status/1325156185595543560) with the scene that was ripe for mockery (https://twitter.com/Evanryt/status/1325089489530859526), and some saw as a poignant metaphor (https://twitter.com/justinsink/status/1325088574769868803) of the failure of the Trump campaign.
(https://compote.slate.com/images/9d2fdf55-e5d3-4ffa-b954-123f0737619d.jpeg?width=780&height=520&rect=6301x4201&offset=0x0)
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 09, 2020, 10:45 PM
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771394930127536138/775468242852380692/ezgif-1-ef9ed0104ce0.gif)
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jan 06, 2021, 12:54 AM
Georgia seems positive for Dems so far.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: kitler53 on Jan 06, 2021, 01:18 AM
Georgia seems positive for Dems so far.
wow.  like waassy better than I would have expected.  over 1% right now.  
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jan 06, 2021, 01:52 AM
wow.  like waassy better than I would have expected.  over 1% right now.  
It's not going to hold as is. But 4% advantage right now.  
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: kitler53 on Jan 06, 2021, 02:28 AM
It's not going to hold as is. But 4% advantage right now.  
you need to watch the needle.  it's happening. oh my ducking God it's happening.   

good bye mcconnell hello functional government. 
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Jan 06, 2021, 02:41 AM
you need to watch the needle.  it's happening. oh my ducking God it's happening.  

good bye mcconnell hello functional government.
The turtle is defeated!
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: kitler53 on Jan 06, 2021, 02:48 AM
The turtle is defeated!
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/hkLXSVV3LHcUM9R-WRSAARv5M-s5ol6M_eepSjOdEaZqT9a6N0LNyAY2RXBWloV4n4OPIhGj1tahhdbmFQHlLGZN4KuKFJl871ghMwKdmfkoRFWasOwnu-QzyMtQM6M5MZ_5-pk8NrjUNyE4O8W3NYj5k3VPvQRLB3Y)
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jan 06, 2021, 02:58 AM
you need to watch the needle.  it's happening. oh my ducking God it's happening.  

good bye mcconnell hello functional government.
I know all about the needle.

Ive been watching everything.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Legend on Jan 06, 2021, 03:27 AM
Y'all sound like a cult talking about "the needle."

(yes I watch it too)
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Jan 06, 2021, 11:55 AM
The needle was amazingly accurate and didn't fluctuate much, props to all those who worked on it for this one, they nailed it.

And congrats to all the Dems that put in the work for this, hopefully it pays off over the next two years. Make some real positive change happen.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jan 06, 2021, 03:34 PM
Y'all sound like a cult talking about "the needle."

(yes I watch it too)
What kinds of cults are you listening to?  

Hard to believe Dems narrowly won Congress and the white house.  Can't believe it came so narrowly down to GA.   :'(
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Legend on Jan 06, 2021, 08:14 PM
What the hell.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 17, 2021, 06:12 PM
Rush Limbaugh passed away.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: kitler53 on Feb 17, 2021, 07:12 PM
Rush Limbaugh passed away.
you know what i think....

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/90/b9/fd/90b9fd431673c1781f0d61947aef4f45.jpg)
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 17, 2021, 07:41 PM
you know what i think....

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/90/b9/fd/90b9fd431673c1781f0d61947aef4f45.jpg)
This about sums it up:


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I wish him all the love, empathy, and care that he has shown to his fellow humans.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 19, 2021, 05:01 PM
Fun facts about Texas.  

Texas has their own energy grid to avoid federal regulations.  
Despite many warnings to winterize their stuff, they did not.  
Natural gas saw the most issues.

Yet Republicans are politicizing the event to blame the Green New Deal which never happens, wind turbines which are also used in Antarctica for freezing in cold weather. B
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: kitler53 on Feb 19, 2021, 06:15 PM
Fun facts about Texas. 

Texas has their own energy grid to avoid federal regulations. 
Despite many warnings to winterize their stuff, they did not. 
Natural gas saw the most issues.

Yet Republicans are politicizing the event to blame the Green New Deal which never happens, wind turbines which are also used in Antarctica for freezing in cold weather. B
you should never expect a republican not to blatantly lie.

wind turbines and gas turbines are both run in Alaska and can function just fine when built for winter.   texas just simply built their entire energy infrastructure to drive prices down.  those price reductions came at not investing into appropriate precautions for events like this.  republicans won't pay for an ounce of prevention and they'll shift the blame for the pound of cure to democrats no matter how badly they have to lie.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: Xevross on Feb 19, 2021, 07:30 PM
you should never expect a republican not to blatantly lie.

wind turbines and gas turbines are both run in Alaska and can function just fine when built for winter.   texas just simply built their entire energy infrastructure to drive prices down.  those price reductions came at not investing into appropriate precautions for events like this.  republicans won't pay for an ounce of prevention and they'll shift the blame for the pound of cure to democrats no matter how badly they have to lie.
I missed the not in that first sentence and thought we'd lost you to madness
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 14, 2021, 04:23 PM
It's immensely frustrating watching pretty common sense stuff become "radical left wing ideas".  

Someone on my facebook shared an article about how the fires might be changing how people are affected by Covid.  Apparently the idea that smoke inhalation might be bad for your immune system and how your body works, is radical.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 19, 2021, 09:28 PM
So Kyle has been cleared of all charges.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 19, 2021, 11:27 PM
fudgy murderer.  

america is Soo iced up when a white guy murders a black guy and it called "self defence"
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: BananaKing on Nov 20, 2021, 12:00 AM
fudgy hell America. Two people gunned down with a machine gun and one injured and he is free? Wow.. just wow
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 20, 2021, 12:10 AM
fudgy murderer.  

america is Soo iced up when a white guy murders a black guy and it called "self defence"
This wasn't that case.  
He shot 3 white guys during the BLM protests.  
fudgy hell America. Two people gunned down with a machine gun and one injured and he is free? Wow.. just wow
Didn't even get charged for open carrying as a minor due to a technicality, that the law doesn't cover that length of gun.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 24, 2021, 08:04 PM
The Arbery shooters are officially guilty of murder.
Title: Re: General Politics Thread
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 24, 2021, 09:09 PM
I'm honestly surprised.