Will Trump be the next US president?

Started by Legend, Jan 13, 2016, 03:31 AM

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Max King of the Wild

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sexual assault generally refers to any crime in which the offender subjects the victim to sexual touching that is unwanted and offensive. These crimes can range from sexual groping or assault/battery, to attempted rape. All states prohibit sexual assault, but the exact definitions of the crimes that fall within the category of sexual assault differ from state to state. The laws share some basic elements, but the structures, wording and scope of sexual assault offenses vary considerably, so always check your local statutes for specific questions.

Quote from: DD_Bwest on Oct 17, 2016, 04:07 PMI have thought about what we say, in fact saturday we got vulgar and were talking about wrecking a young carrie fisher.    but as vulgar as our conversations are, they never include bragging about groping woman.  it was all under the context of consent.   plus i am also not presidential material,  most people arent. 

grabbing the lady next to you on a plane, or a reporter/journalist is not the same as trying to get a significant other in the mood.  trying to equate the two is asinine.   what trump talked about on the bus is sexual assault.  it was touching without any pretext.

and trying to say "they let you do it because your a star, you can do anything"   is an indication of consent is utterly ridiculous.   trying to defend this stuff only fuels the regressive lefts false narrative about a rape culture.
Oh dear God, so hypocritical. So you're allowed the benefit of the doubt that your guy talk is under the notion of consent but not trump? Guaranteed if we went up to her and read her the exact things you said that she would not welcome them.

And it isn't asinine. It's literally the law in some places. Explicit consent at every stage every time whether it's the first time or you're in a dedicated relationship.

the-pi-guy

Quote from: Max King of the Wild on Oct 17, 2016, 03:07 PMYawn. Lol @ explicit consent. I'm 100% willing to bet you didn't always get explicit consent at each level. On OKC there is a question that says "is it okay to initiate foreplay while your significant other is sleeping" and I have not seen a single woman say no... But according to the law that would be sexual assault. The law needs to be clearly defined, but the law isn't infallible. In fact, it's severely broken and hypocritical in some aspects. It gets abused. It gets manipulated. It gets used in ways it isn't and never was intended.
Getting some form of consent, whether it's simply both of you going for it, is important.  You can't just walk up to woman and start groping them.  Especially not strangers.  If it's a significant other that's a very different situation.  And chances are good that a woman would not appreciate it, if a random stranger got in her bedroom and starting groping her....  

And youre hilarious. It's okay to leer at 16 year Olds? Because that's sexual assault in the work place. It's okay to tell someone to become a prostitute so you can fudge them? You're so hypocritical. It has seriously been at every job I've worked with both men and women.
sorry I missed the one about the prostitute.  Leering at a 16 year old, creepy, fireable, not sure how well that would go over in court.  How are you suppose to prove someone was "leering" at you is my issue with that one.  

And the fact that you ignore that he said the LET him do it (another word for let is allow) is being disingenuous. These women aren't severely intoxicated. They aren't mentally retarded. They aren't being pinned down, gagged and raped.
because all sexual assault must be like that.  I can't possibly run down a hallway and start grabbing girls chests and butts.  "It's okay because I didn't rape them"
If we were to follow the way the law is written then there has been mutual sexual assault in all my past relationships. I have never once asked to have naughtiness with a girl and I won't start. We just do it. I once hooked up with a girl from tinder. We left the bar and got in her SUV. Started fooling around and then she pulled her underwear off and spread her legs. I got uncomfortable (my mind started freaking me out about herpes and shame) and decided to stop and explicitly said no. If I said no and she sat on me anyway, that's sexual assault. If I didn't say anything continued to fool around, and she unbuckled my pants, grabbed my sucker and sat on it, not sexual assault. Yet, I never gave explicit consent. If I were to say trump describes sexual assault and claim I never sexual assaulted anyone (because I haven't) then I'd be a hypocrite. If I were to have committed sexual assault then I would have been sexually assaulted, but I haven't... Logical paradox here.
Its not some. It's majority. Think about what you're actually saying next time you have guy talk. Pretend there is a strict HR manager within ear shot.


I don't really have any guy talk like that....

Max King of the Wild

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Quote from: the-Pi-guy on Oct 17, 2016, 04:40 PMI don't really have any guy talk like that....

Man, just last weekend I was groped by an Asian in Chicago. I was uncomfortable but I wouldn't classify it as sexual assault. Less than 6 years ago (I started target 6 years ago and it was with a Co worker) I was in a bar and some random lady grabbed my head and licked my face. Wouldn't classify that as sexual assault (have a photo of it on Facebook). Couple of years ago two big fat black chicks pinned me against the wall and started grinding me. Wouldn't classify it as sexual assault.

If you're in their bedroom then there's a lot bigger problem there, isn't there? As for writing off the relationship, well... You're picking and choosing when it's convenient to classify sexual assault and again, never asked and never will. First time with one of my exes was first date. Both going for it is NOT explicit consent. Something the law makers made sure to point out while writing that in California when they worked on rape laws to be explicit consent at every level every time whether the first time or in a committed relationship

Dr. Pezus

Quote from: Max King of the Wild on Oct 17, 2016, 01:04 AMWhy not? We have all said and heard much worse with our Co workers and friends. And we aren't filthy rich or have the "we get what we want when we want" attitude. And here's a secret... Women aren't any better. They talk about grinding dicks. And here's another secret... Gay men are even worse
We aren't all presidential candidates lol

Max King of the Wild

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Quote from: Dr. Pezus on Oct 17, 2016, 05:55 PMWe aren't all presidential candidates lol
Yes, but if we decide to run, does those conversation automatically disqualify us? I don't think so

I'd like to think our qualifications are based on the merits of our ideas and ability to get them done. Something trump never had. Hence why I'm not sure how after everything, this is what gets him

the-pi-guy


Dr. Pezus

Quote from: Max King of the Wild on Oct 17, 2016, 06:46 PMYes, but if we decide to run, does those conversation automatically disqualify us? I don't think so

Well, only those of us who've defended trumps comments  ;)

Aura7541


DerNebel

Wait what? You can vote without any ID in (at least parts of) the US? Whose bright idea was that?

Also I just saw that there's nothing like a federal ID card issued to all adults in the US. Why would you do that? Here in Germany every citizen that's 16 or older has to get an ID card.

Aura7541

Quote from: DerNebel on Oct 18, 2016, 05:36 PMWait what? You can vote without any ID in (at least parts of) the US? Whose bright idea was that?

Also I just saw that there's nothing like a federal ID card issued to all adults in the US. Why would you do that? Here in Germany every citizen that's 16 or older has to get an ID card.
It's not just that you can vote without any ID, but at least in New York state, asking for ID is prohibited by law.

the-pi-guy

Quote from: DerNebel on Oct 18, 2016, 05:36 PMWait what? You can vote without any ID in (at least parts of) the US? Whose bright idea was that?
Also I just saw that there's nothing like a federal ID card issued to all adults in the US. Why would you do that? Here in Germany every citizen that's 16 or older has to get an ID card.
There's no requirement to have an ID.  Most people get IDs for driver's license and that's pretty much it.  A lot of areas where it doesn't pay to have a license, a lot of people tend to not have IDs of any kind.  About 1 in 20 people older than 18 in my state don't have a license.  
Our right to vote is older than photo IDs, and no laws were made to support it.
Unfortunately sometimes it can be stupid hard to get an ID.  

Quote from: Aura7541 on Oct 18, 2016, 05:23 PM.
My question is, if it's so obvious why are there literally no studies supporting this?  
A lot of his comments seem very bizarre, and very hypothetical for the most part.

Aura7541

Quote from: the-Pi-guy on Oct 18, 2016, 05:45 PMMy question is, if it's so obvious why are there literally no studies supporting this?  
A lot of his comments seem very bizarre, and very hypothetical for the most part.
Bizarre and hypothetical in what way?

Legend

Quote from: DerNebel on Oct 18, 2016, 05:36 PMWait what? You can vote without any ID in (at least parts of) the US? Whose bright idea was that?

Also I just saw that there's nothing like a federal ID card issued to all adults in the US. Why would you do that? Here in Germany every citizen that's 16 or older has to get an ID card.
Yes we all should need IDs to vote but the problem is people without IDs tend to lean democrat.

Thus in general Democrats dislike voter ID laws and Republicans like voter ID laws since it can help/hurt their party's election chances. It's stupid.

Aura7541

Quote from: Legend on Oct 18, 2016, 05:52 PMYes we all should need IDs to vote but the problem is people without IDs tend to lean democrat.

Thus in general Democrats dislike voter ID laws and Republicans like voter ID laws since it can help/hurt their party's election chances. It's stupid.
I know for some states, you can get an ID from the state government for $20. I think if ID laws are enforced while also giving citizens an accessible way to get an ID, then there shouldn't be much of a problem.

Legend

Quote from: Aura7541 on Oct 18, 2016, 05:54 PMI know for some states, you can get an ID from the state government for $20. I think if ID laws are enforced while also giving citizens an accessible way to get an ID, then there shouldn't be much of a problem.
Yeah before mandating ID we really need to make sure every citizen can get one without problem.