Video Game Sales Thread

[darkknightkryta]

I'm not sure about the "power" rumours.  I mean, believe it or not, Sony and Microsoft are manufacturing their products almost at cost.  Probably at cost for Microsoft.  There's a reason why ARM processors aren't used for workstations.  So I don't believe they'd be using one as a processor.  If Nintendo makes something more powerful, it will be more expensive.  Not saying they're not, it's just you can't price a better console for a while.  I believe in the ports though.  Oh the irony of how I'm going to keep reading how Nintendo are gods among developers by porting games over (Note, said by the same people calling the PS4 the "portstation").

[Legend]

Lots of wii u ports would be nice, since most people didn't bother buying the system.

Plus current wii u owners are fanboys that'll buy nx even if it has no games.

[ethomaz]

Germany: BIU sales awards for March - http://www.biu-online.de/de/presse/newsroom/newsroom-detail/datum/2016/04/13/biu-sales-awards-die-erfolgreichsten-computer-und-videospiele-im-maerz-2.html

Star Wars: Battlefront >500K (multiple platforms)
Far Cry Primal >200K (PS4)
The Division >200K (PS4)

[darkknightkryta]

Lots of wii u ports would be nice, since most people didn't bother buying the system.

Plus current wii u owners are fanboys that'll buy nx even if it has no games.

Yeah it is a good idea.  I just know what I'm going to be hearing for a while.  All from the people calling the PS4 a "portstation".

[ethomaz]

My issue with NX leaks are because it looks exactly like Wii U did when launched.

And that is not a good feel.

I'm not sure about the "power" rumours.  I mean, believe it or not, Sony and Microsoft are manufacturing their products almost at cost.  Probably at cost for Microsoft.  There's a reason why ARM processors aren't used for workstations.  So I don't believe they'd be using one as a processor.  If Nintendo makes something more powerful, it will be more expensive.  Not saying they're not, it's just you can't price a better console for a while.  I believe in the ports though.  Oh the irony of how I'm going to keep reading how Nintendo are gods among developers by porting games over (Note, said by the same people calling the PS4 the "portstation").

An APU with 50% more power than PS4's APU will cost way less in 16/14nm.

PS4/Xbox One uses 28nm.

The jump to 14/16nm is that big in terms of cost because you can put abot twice chips in the same Wafer.

I believe PS4k's APU will cost less than PS4's APU even having twice the power... let's see the new AMD chips in 14nm to have a better ideia.

[darkknightkryta]

My issue with NX leaks are because it looks exactly like Wii U did when launched.

And that is not a good feel.
An APU with 50% more power than PS4's APU will cost way less in 16/14nm.

PS4/Xbox One uses 28nm.

The jump to 14/16nm is that big in terms of cost because you can put abot twice chips in the same Wafer.

I believe PS4k's APU will cost less than PS4's APU even having twice the power.

And who is going to make this APU?  Not AMD.  They haven't switched over any of their technologies over yet.  Plus with all news on Zen going quiet (Which doesn't bode well for anything), I don't think Nintendo will be getting a 14nm APU.  And twice the power isn't going to happen magically, even at a die shrink.  Why do you think Intel has given up on increasing power?  They're approaching the limit of creating a more powerful processor.  Did I mention AMD is behind on Zen?  (I did)

[ethomaz]

And who is going to make this APU?  Not AMD.  They haven't switched over any of their technologies over yet.  Plus with all news on Zen going quiet (Which doesn't bode well for anything), I don't think Nintendo will be getting a 14nm APU.  And twice the power isn't going to happen magically, even at a die shrink.  Why do you think Intel has given up on increasing power?  They're approaching the limit of creating a more powerful processor.  Did I mention AMD is behind on Zen?  (I did)

Nintendo will use AMD... I don't believe in this ARM talk and AMD moves to 14nm in June/July.

NX, PS4 and Xbox One will go all to 14nm this year (or 16nm if they choose TSMC).

It is not a simple die shrink this time... it is two generations of due shrinks... AMD and TSMC jumped directly to 14/16nm without launch anything in 20nm... that is why we are using 2011's 28nm... five years without any die shrink (that is why I believe PS4 and Xbox One had weak APUs... the 28nm process limited them).

And yes I expect the PS4k's APU with double CUs be close to the same size than PS4's APU and run at better clocks (2Ghz/1Ghz).

And you are comparing in the wrong way with Intel... PS4 has a low end chip today in 28nm... what they will use is a mid end chip in 14nm with the same size.

The AMD high end chip won't see a double performance boost with 14nm because they will go for smaller chip.

[darkknightkryta]

Nintendo will use AMD... I don't believe in this ARM talk and AMD moves to 14nm in June/July.

NX, PS4 and Xbox One will go all to 14nm this year (or 16nm if they choose TSMC).

It is not a simple die shrink this time... it is two generations of due shrinks... AMD and TSMC jumped directly to 14/16nm without launch anything in 20nm... that is why we are using 2011's 28nm... five years without any die shrink (that is why I believe PS4 and Xbox One had weak APUs... the 28nm process limited them).

And yes I expect the PS4k's APU with double CUs be close to the same size than PS4's APU and run at better clocks (2Ghz/1Ghz).

And you are comparing in the wrong way with Intel... PS4 has a low end chip today in 28nm... what they will use is a mid end chip in 14nm with the same size.

The AMD high end chip won't see a double performance boost with 14nm.

1/2 Die shrink != double power.  

AMD is switching when Zen comes out.  Talk of Zen has gone quiet.  Which doesn't bode well for Nintendo.  Nintendo will probably have to get an older APU, which, surprise, isn't much more powerful than what's in the Xbox One and PS4.  It will also cost more if they go with higher power.  AMD hasn't updated their processors in a long time.

[ethomaz]

1/2 Die shrink != double power.  

AMD is switching when Zen comes out.  Talk of Zen has gone quiet.  Which doesn't bode well for Nintendo.  Nintendo will probably have to get an older APU, which, surprise, isn't much more powerful than what's in the Xbox One and PS4.  It will also cost more if they go with higher power.  AMD hasn't updated their processors in a long time.

28nm to 14nm permits you put double the processing units in the same space/size.

Sony/AMD won't use a new Arch to PS4k... they will use the same actual Arch increasing the CUs in the chip mantaining the same size... think like an AMD GPU chip today with 36CUs made in 14nm... that and the high clocks will give the performance Sony wants.

Nintendo I don't know because they can choose actual arch in 14nm or Zen like you said.

[darkknightkryta]

28nm to 14nm permits you put double the processing units in the same space/size.

Sony/AMD won't use a new Arch to PS4k... they will use the same actual Arch increasing the CUs in the chip mantaining the same size... think like an AMD GPU chip today with 36CUs made in 14nm... that and the high clocks will give the performance Sony wants.

Nintendo I don't know because they can choose actual arch in 14nm or Zen like you said.

Again 1/2 die shrink != double power.  At least recently (Haven't looked at older processors), this isn't the case.  No current processor has doubled its processing power when moving down nodes.  Why do you think a Skylake processor isn't double the processing power of a Sandybridge processor?.

Why are you talking about a "PS4k" that may not exist?  

Nintendo can't chose a 14nm processor from AMD because none exist.  Zen is the one that's supposed to make the switch to that node.  Like I mentioned; news on Zen has gone quiet and its chief architect quit AMD (Again).   So unless Nintendo plans to launch this console in 2017(At earliest), it's using an older APU, which won't be much better than what Sony/MS have contracted from AMD.

[Max King of the Wild]

Your conversation bores me.

As for ports, it's got to be of games that if you missed Wii U then you need to play to continue the franchise. Like what Sony has done. Not "party" games.

[Legend]

Your conversation bores me.

[ethomaz]

Again 1/2 die shrink != double power.  At least recently (Haven't looked at older processors), this isn't the case.  No current processor has doubled its processing power when moving down nodes.  Why do you think a Skylake processor isn't double the processing power of a Sandybridge processor?.

Why are you talking about a "PS4k" that may not exist? 

Nintendo can't chose a 14nm processor from AMD because none exist.  Zen is the one that's supposed to make the switch to that node.  Like I mentioned; news on Zen has gone quiet and its chief architect quit AMD (Again).   So unless Nintendo plans to launch this console in 2017(At earliest), it's using an older APU, which won't be much better than what Sony/MS have contracted from AMD.

Let's try again.

If you get the atual PS4's APU and add 2x CU plus clock increase and make it in 14nm than you have ~double the power with about the same size.

I don't know why you are comparing with discrete CPU/GPU that in most case only increase a bit of the units to get a smaller chip... Skylake is way smaller than Sandbridge... Skylake 4 cores is close to the size than Sandbridge 2 cores... so it doubled the performance for the same size.

14nm for the new consoles is a non-brainier... 28nm to a future console is suicidal.

These are custom APUs and AMD is already making tests with 14nm for them. NX can use a older custom APU like PS4k in 14nm with for example 28CUs and that will make the APU cheaper than PS4's APU with 50% more power.

For comparison...

Skylake 4C (14nm): 122.4mm2
Ivybridge 2C (22nm): 118mm2
Ivybridge 4C (22nm): 160nm2
Sandybridge 2C (32nm): 149mm2
Sandybridge 4C (32nm): 216mm2


See what I'm talking about?

28nm to 14nm will allow you put close to the double performance at the same size (cost).

[ethomaz]

Updated BIU awards list (new entries in italic)


[HIGHLIGHT]PS4[/HIGHLIGHT]
100k-200k
ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG
BATMAN ARKHAM KNIGHT
BATTLEFIELD 4
BATTLEFIELD HARDLINE
BLOODBORNE
CALL OF DUTY: GHOSTS
DRAGON AGE INQUISITION
INFAMOUS SECOND SON
JUST CAUSE 3
KILLZONE SHADOW FALL
METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN
NEED FOR SPEED RIVALS
PROJECT CARS
THE EVIL WITHIN
THE CREW
THE ORDER 1886
TOM CLANCY'S RAINBOW SIX: SIEGE
UNTIL DAWN

200k-500k
ASSASSIN'S CREED SYNDICATE
ASSASSIN'S CREED UNITY
CALL OF DUTY: ADVANCED WARFARE
DESTINY
DRIVECLUB
FALLOUT 4
FAR CRY 4
FAR CRY: PRIMAL
FIFA 14
FIFA 15
MIDDLE-EARTH: SHADOW OF MORDOR
MINECRAFT
NEED FOR SPEED
STAR WARS: BATTLEFRONT
THE LAST OF US REMASTERED
THE WITCHER 3: WILD HUNT
TOM CLANCY'S THE DIVISION
WATCH_DOGS

>500k
CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS III
FIFA 16
GRAND THEFT AUTO V


[HIGHLIGHT]WIU[/HIGHLIGHT]
100k-200k
MARIO PARTY 10
SPLATOON
SUPER MARIO 3D WORLD
SUPER MARIO MAKER
SUPER SMASH BROS.
YOSHI'S WOOLLY WORLD

200k-500k
MARIO KART 8

>500k
-


[HIGHLIGHT]XB1[/HIGHLIGHT]
100k-200k
CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS III
FIFA 15
FIFA 16
GRAND THEFT AUTO V
HALO 5: GUARDIANS

200k-500k
-

>500k
-




Germany Week 14 2016.



01 (NE) [PS4] DIRT RALLY
02 (NE) [XBO] QUANTUM BREAK
03 (01) [PS4] TOM CLANCY'S THE DIVISION
04 (04) [PS4] FIFA 16
05 (03) [PS4] CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS III
06 (06) [PS4] GRAND THEFT AUTO V
07 (02) [PS4] FAR CRY: PRIMAL
08 (NE) [XBO] DIRT RALLY
09 (32) [PS4] THE WITCHER 3: WILD HUNT
10 (05) [PS4] TRACKMANIA TURBO
11 (__) [PS4] PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER 2015
12 (09) [WIU] POKKEN TOURNAMENT
13 (__) [PC] DIABLO III: REAPER OF SOULS
14 (20) [3DS] POKEMON SUPER MYSTERY DUNGEON
15 (10) [PC] THE SIMS 4
16 (15) [PS4] MINECRAFT
17 (11) [PS4] EA SPORTS UFC 2
18 (39) [PS4] UNCHARTED: THE NATHAN DRAKE COLLECTION
19 (07) [3DS] HYRULE WARRIORS: LEGENDS
20 (12) [XBO] TOM CLANCY'S THE DIVISION
21 (17) [3DS] POKEMON: OMEGA RUBY
22 (__) [PC] DIABLO III]
23 (18) [PC] TOM CLANCY'S THE DIVISION
24 (14) [WIU] THE LEGEND OF ZELDA: TWILIGHT PRINCESS HD
25 (16) [PS4] TOM CLANCY'S RAINBOW SIX: SIEGE
26 (54) [PS4] DIABLO III: REAPER OF SOULS
27 (29) [PS4] WWE 2K16
28 (19) [PC] FARMING SIMULATOR 15 OFFICIAL ADD-ON
29 (13) [PS4] PLANTS VS. ZOMBIES: GARDEN WARFARE 2
30 (25)  [PS4] STAR WARS: BATTLEFRONT
31 (21) [3DS] POKEMON: ALPHA SAPPHIRE
32 (30) [PS4] NEED FOR SPEED
33 (22) [PS4] BATMAN: ARKHAM KNIGHT
34 (28) [PS3] FIFA 16
35 (27) [3DS] MARIO KART 7
36 (24) [3DS] ANIMAL CROSSING: NEW LEAF
37 (37) [PS4] ASSASSIN'S CREED: SYNDICATE
38 (35) [PS4] MORTAL KOMBAT XL
39 (31) [PS4] FALLOUT 4
40 (36) [PC] FARMING SIMULATOR 15
41 (23) [3DS] NEW STYLE FASHION BOUTIQUE 2: FASHION FORWARD
42 (26) [PS3] MINECRAFT
43 (38) [3DS] NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. 2
44 (42) [PS4] DESTINY: THE TAKEN KING
45 (NE) [3DS] MARIO AND SONIC AT THE OLYMPIC GAMES: RIO 2016
46 (45) [PS4] THE HEAVY RAIN & BEYONG: TWO SOULS COLLECTION
47 (90) [PS4] PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER 2016
48 (64) [PC] DRAGON AGE: INQUISITION
49 (59) [PS4] CALL OF DUTY: GHOSTS
50 (46) [3DS] THE LEGEND OF ZELDA: A LINK BETWEEN WORLDS
51 (93) [PS4] CALL OF DUTY: ADVANCED WARFARE
52 (55) [PC] THE ELDER SCROLLS V: SKYRIM
53 (33) [PS3] GRAND THEFT AUTO V
54 (NE) [PS4] MXGP2 – THE OFFICIAL MOTOCROSS VIDEOGAME
55 (48) [PS3] CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS II
56 (__) [PS4] METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN
57 (52) [PS4] UNTIL DAWN
58 (08) [XBO] HALO 5: GUARDIANS
59 (58) [3DS] MARIO PARTY: ISLAND TOUR
60 (44) [PS4] NARUTO SHIPPUDEN: ULTIMATE NINJA STORM 4
61 (50) [PC] FAR CRY: PRIMAL
62 (67) [3DS] POKEMON Y
63 (34) [3DS] STORY OF SEASONS
64 (40) [PC] NEED FOR SPEED
65 (56) [PC] BATTLEFIELD 4
66 (75) [PS4] THE CREW
67 (49) [3DS] TOMODACHI LIFE
68 (41) [XBO] FAR CRY: PRIMAL
69 (76) [PC] GRAND THEFT AUTO V
70 (70) [PS4] BATTLEFIELD 4
71 (47) [WII] NEW SUPER MARIO BROS.
72 (68) [3DS] POKEMON X
73 (__) [PC] WORLD OF WARCRAFT: WARLORDS OF DRAENOR
74 (51) [WIU] SUPER MARIO MAKER
75 (88) [PS4] RAYMAN LEGENDS
76 (60) [3DS] YOSHI'S NEW ISLAND
77 (79) [PS3] WWE 2K16
78 (53) [XBO] CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS III
79 (NE) [PS4] DARK SOULS III
80 (89) [PS4] NBA 2K16
81 (NE) [PC] MYSTERY OF THE ANCIENTS: DEADLY COLD
82 (61) [PS3] CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS III
83 (__) [PC] WOLFENSTEIN: THE NEW ORDER
84 (65) [WII] MARIO KART WII
85 (69) [XBO] GRAND THEFT AUTO V
86 (82) [PS4] NEED FOR SPEED: RIVALS
87 (__) [PC] ANNO 2205
88 (__) [XBO] FORZA MOTORSPORT 6
89 (71) [WII] MARIO PARTY 9
90 (87) [PS4] ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG
91 (66) [PS4] LIFE IS STRANGE
92 (43) [3DS] ANIMAL CROSSING: HAPPY HOME DESIGNER
93 (74) [WIU] MARIO PARTY 10
94 (__) [PS4] RESIDENT EVIL: ORIGINS COLLECTION
95 (92) [PS4] JUST CAUSE 3
96 (72) [WIU] SPLATOON
97 (62) [360] MINECRAFT
98 (78) [3DS] BRAVELY SECOND: END LAYER
99 (57) [XBO] RISE OF THE TOMB RAIDER
100 (__) [PS4] THE EVIL WITHIN

PS4: 42 (38)
3DS: 18 (18)
PC: 16 (13)
XBO: 9 (7)
PS3: 6 (9)
WIU: 5 (7)
WII: 3 (3)
360: 1 (2)

[Cute Pikachu]

QB did alright, Pokken showing some beautiful legs, division not showing much division.