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Aura7541

Again, you want a indie announcement? Go to the PS blog and you'll get one almost every day or at least every week. Or just go to their Youtube channel, that thing is full of that shame. E3 is for the big guns, that you don't get to see every day and that's how Sony used it. Frankly I don't need Sony to put another indie game on stage at E3 after they put NMS front and center for two years just for the whole thing to turn into a huge fiasco or stuff like Rime (even though that was Gamescom) where the whole thing just turned out to be nothing but smoke and mirrors anyways.

Sony likes and supports indies, that's all fine and dandy, but that doesn't mean they need to put these games, that don't expect to sell that much in the first place, in their E3 conferences where 95% of the people watching just consider them as nothing but filler for the bigger stuff, which leads to them being all but forgotten by the next day anyways. PSX is somewhat of a different story since it's more of a fan event but you don't put 8bit-2D-Sidescrolling-Shoot-em-up-Nr.238 in between God of War and Horizon Zero Dawn at an mainstream event like E3, that's just asking to be completely overlooked.
Also, Sony emphasized indie developers early-gen because back then, Microsoft still had very restrictive policies. The tactic was effective in that Sony one-upped MS on who is the more pro-consumer/pro-developer company and eventually, MS allowed self-publishing.

Now, showing off indie games on the big stage doesn't have as much of an impact as it used to. Everyone is doing it, so Sony needed to find a unique way to present games at E3 and unique, it was.

kitler53

Again, you want a indie announcement? Go to the PS blog and you'll get one almost every day or at least every week. Or just go to their Youtube channel, that thing is full of that shame. E3 is for the big guns, that you don't get to see every day and that's how Sony used it. Frankly I don't need Sony to put another indie game on stage at E3 after they put NMS front and center for two years just for the whole thing to turn into a huge fiasco or stuff like Rime (even though that was Gamescom) where the whole thing just turned out to be nothing but smoke and mirrors anyways.

Sony likes and supports indies, that's all fine and dandy, but that doesn't mean they need to put these games, that don't expect to sell that much in the first place, in their E3 conferences where 95% of the people watching just consider them as nothing but filler for the bigger stuff, which leads to them being all but forgotten by the next day anyways. PSX is somewhat of a different story since it's more of a fan event but you don't put 8bit-2D-Sidescrolling-Shoot-em-up-Nr.238 in between God of War and Horizon Zero Dawn at an mainstream event like E3, that's just asking to be completely overlooked.
the witness is indie and probably the best game to release this year.

it was featured on sony's stage and it dang well belonged there more than half the games in this years e3.


the fact that sony gives love to things that are niche (and lots of sony's big games are niche like TLG or gravity rush) is why they are loved.  it is important to their marketing message and image that they are viewed as a place to get all kinds of games not just a certain kind of game.  there are a lot of gamers like me that don't play any of the "big games" and only play the 8bit-2D-Sidescrolling-Shoot-em-up.  so fudge you for telling me i can't be excited about or be allowed to see the best upcoming indie games featured.

...cause dear god,. that god of war intro lasted 10 minutes too long and the conference ended 20 minutes too early.   games like abzu, bound, yooka-laylee could have gone a long way to prevent it from being such and abruptly ending snooze feast.


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DerNebel

Oct 07, 2016, 10:36 PM Last Edit: Oct 07, 2016, 10:41 PM by DerNebel
the witness is indie and probably the best game to release this year.

it was featured on sony's stage and it dang well belonged there more than half the games in this years e3.


the fact that sony gives love to things that are niche (and lots of sony's big games are niche like TLG or gravity rush) is why they are loved.  it is important to their marketing message and image that they are viewed as a place to get all kinds of games not just a certain kind of game.  there are a lot of gamers like me that don't play any of the "big games" and only play the 8bit-2D-Sidescrolling-Shoot-em-up.  so fudge you for telling me i can't be excited about or be allowed to see the best upcoming indie games featured.

...cause dear god,. that god of war intro lasted 10 minutes too long and the conference ended 20 minutes too early.   games like abzu, bound, yooka-laylee could have gone a long way to prevent it from being such and abruptly ending snooze feast.

The Witness is ok, it was a fine puzzle game that was way too far up its own dog, it's far from the best game of the year. And at this point you're just talking straight battleship. Really The Witness, which released almost 3 years later, had a place at the one Playstation event where it was ever shown (the PS4 reveal) more than half the games at this years E3? Really?

And fudge you for blaming your own inability to type in the fudgy Youtube searchbar on me. Nobody's telling you that you can't get excited for indies. You wanna see the newest indie trailers, then go on the Playstation Youtube channel and watch em.

As Aura has said there's no need for Sony to go out and proof to the world that they have indie games on their system anymore, it's completely redundant, nobody is fudgy questioning that on either PS4 nor X1 and of course not on PC, everybody knows these systems have tons of indie games coming out of every corner already. Face it you are in the minority here, and I don't mean in the 40% minority or whatever but rather in a 5% or smaller minority, both in that you don't view indies on console as more than neat piece meals inbetween the big games and also in that you regarded this years Sony E3 conference as bad, and as such a minority you will have to accept that Sony won't try to cater to you on the biggest gaming stage of the year, by whipping out games that the other 95% in the mildest cases are hardly interested in and in the worst cases actively detest. Especially since, and I know I'm saying this for like the 6th time now, you get new indie stuff all year round.

You wanna filter out what the "best" indie games are to be excited about, watch one of those top 10 or top 25 videos on upcoming indie games on Youtube or subscribe to r/Games, both of which I'm sure are just a few ways to easily keep on top of worthwile indie games. Or just wait until reviews come out.

Legend

The Witness is ok, it was a fine puzzle game that was way too far up its own dog, it's far from the best game of the year. And at this point you're just talking straight battleship. Really The Witness, which released almost 3 years later, had a place at the one Playstation event where it was ever shown (the PS4 reveal) more than half the games at this years E3? Really?

And fudge you for blaming your own inability to type in the fudgy Youtube searchbar on me. Nobody's telling you that you can't get excited for indies. You wanna see the newest indie trailers, then go on the Playstation Youtube channel and watch em.

As Aura has said there's no need for Sony to go out and proof to the world that they have indie games on their system anymore, it's completely redundant, nobody is fudgy questioning that on either PS4 nor X1 and of course not on PC, everybody knows these systems have tons of indie games coming out of every corner already. Face it you are in the minority here, and I don't mean in the 40% minority or whatever but rather in a 5% or smaller minority, both in that you don't view indies on console as more than neat piece meals inbetween the big games and also in that you regarded this years Sony E3 conference as bad, and as such a minority you will have to accept that Sony won't try to cater to you on the biggest gaming stage of the year, by whipping out games that the other 95% in the mildest cases are hardly interested in and in the worst cases actively detest. Especially since, and I know I'm saying this for like the 6th time now, you get new indie stuff all year round.

You wanna filter out what the "best" indie games are to be excited about, watch one of those top 10 or top 25 videos on upcoming indie games on Youtube or subscribe to r/Games, both of which I'm sure are just a few ways to easily keep on top of worthwile indie games. Or just wait until reviews come out.
Outside of popularity, all of your points apply to AAA as well. Why even have E3 to begin with if you actually believe what you're typing?

DerNebel

Outside of popularity, all of your points apply to AAA as well. Why even have E3 to begin with if you actually believe what you're typing?
Do they really? How often outside of E3 or any of the few other conferences are AAA games announced in any given year? I'd reckon the number would amount to less than 10 titles. That's why we should still have E3, because it's the one time a year where (almost) every publisher gets together to show of what they are doing right now. Also you can't just discount popularity, E3 is a marketing event after all, that millions of people watch, popularity is a huge factor.

SWORDF1SH

There should be a segment of Sony's E3 for indies even if it's 10 minutes. Indies are important to the industry.

DerNebel

There should be a segment of Sony's E3 for indies even if it's 10 minutes. Indies are important to the industry.
They did that in 2013 and 2014 and I distinctly remember people complaining about it in both years. Before 2015s E3 people were even already mockingly wondering how much time Sony would waste on indies in their conference that year. But then Sony cut the time down in 2015 and entirely eliminated it in 2016 and people really, really fudgy liked those conferences. People have just been growing very tired with the overabundance of indie titles out there, I mean just look at the like/dislike ratios on these videos on the Playstation channel nowadays, so many of them have unnaturally many dislikes compared to likes. Or check out reactions to the PS+ months were only indies were given away, you will easily find many people regarding these months as pure trash.

Indies are fine and if indie devs wanted to band together to make their own indie conference at E3 then I'd be all for it, but Sony has taken too much from the indie well in the last couple years, resulting in a real push back from their audience regarding that matter. So unless they have a really special indie title on their hands, I don't see any reason why they would feel inclined to get back to showing of indies at E3 next year.

Aura7541

There should be a segment of Sony's E3 for indies even if it's 10 minutes. Indies are important to the industry.
That's the underlying problem, in my opinion. Indies don't need to be segregated into a segment of their own. The goal of a press conference is to hype your console by presenting games that you think will bring the most attention, irregardless of whether a game is indie or AAA.

They did that in 2013 and 2014 and I distinctly remember people complaining about it in both years. Before 2015s E3 people were even already mockingly wondering how much time Sony would waste on indies in their conference that year. But then Sony cut the time down in 2015 and entirely eliminated it in 2016 and people really, really fudgy liked those conferences. People have just been growing very tired with the overabundance of indie titles out there, I mean just look at the like/dislike ratios on these videos on the Playstation channel nowadays, so many of them have unnaturally many dislikes compared to likes. Or check out reactions to the PS+ months were only indies were given away, you will easily find many people regarding these months as pure trash.
I also saw people's live reactions of Sony's 2015 conference from FFVII Remake to Shenmue III. Sony showed a montage video of indie games in between those two bombshell announcements and the people who I watched treated it as if it was a commercial break.

Legend

People have just been growing very tired with the overabundance of indie titles out there, I mean just look at the like/dislike ratios on these videos on the Playstation channel nowadays, so many of them have unnaturally many dislikes compared to likes. Or check out reactions to the PS+ months were only indies were given away, you will easily find many people regarding these months as pure trash.

Now that's something I can definitively state as false. The dislikes and comments are bad today, but go back and look at it from two years ago. Practically every single indie trailer on the PS channel had half of the comments spamming "I paid $400 for this trash. F you Sony."

PS+ is a paid service so naturally people want more expensive games included. I love indies and yet I'd regard most of those months as trash too.

people really, really fudgy liked those conferences
The love for 2015 had nothing to do with the lack of indies. That's pure crazy talk. TLG, FF7, and Shenmue 3 are the only things that mattered.

Sony's 2016 show removed everyone except a COD trailer and Lego trailer. I thought the 2016 show was bad because it lacked content in general; not indies specifically.

kitler53

you don't even have a point,.. you're just as able to type out youtube.com as anyone else.  the point you seem to be making is e3 is unnecessary because the internet. 

the internet consensus was e3 2016 << e3 2015. 

2016 lack surprise and it lack content.  

the standouts for 2015 was TLG, FF remake and shenmue 3 and surprise (my mom makes great fudge),.. shenmue is an  indie.


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DerNebel

Oct 08, 2016, 09:23 AM Last Edit: Oct 08, 2016, 10:18 AM by DerNebel
Now that's something I can definitively state as false. The dislikes and comments are bad today, but go back and look at it from two years ago. Practically every single indie trailer on the PS channel had half of the comments spamming "I paid $400 for this trash. F you Sony."

PS+ is a paid service so naturally people want more expensive games included. I love indies and yet I'd regard most of those months as trash too.

The love for 2015 had nothing to do with the lack of indies. That's pure crazy talk. TLG, FF7, and Shenmue 3 are the only things that mattered.

Sony's 2016 show removed everyone except a COD trailer and Lego trailer. I thought the 2016 show was bad because it lacked content in general; not indies specifically.
Ok, fair enough. You can probably attribute that to the atrocious AAA output on the PS4 in the first couple years of the gen especially by Sony, which earned them the derogatory nickname "Indiestation", but that doesn't really change the point (actually it even supports Sonys decision to put less focus on indies in some way) many people and in this case we are not talking about a loud minority here, which is backed up by sales data, just don't care for indies or actively hate them.
You say you also found those PS+ months trash, but I'm sure you wouldn't make comments along the lines of "I haven't had fun with a PS+ game in months, I always delete these shaming indie games after 10 minutes because they all suck. I'm sick of all these indie games" cause I've read comments along those lines pretty much every time a new indie PS+ month was announced.

And yes people liked 2015 mainly because of those 3 games, even though the Shenmue 3 reaction actually turned pretty controversial very quick, but people liked 2016 because of the games and the structure of the whole event, the fact that all (or most) of the fat was trimmed away and that the whole thing was put in a tight package was a huge plus for the conference. Also Sony's 2016 show had Resident Evil 7 announced as well as a new FFXV trailer too not just Cod and Lego, plus a couple VR game trailers, the whole show really wasn't as lacking in content as you make it out to be, it just cut out a lot of the fluff.

you don't even have a point,.. you're just as able to type out youtube.com as anyone else.  the point you seem to be making is e3 is unnecessary because the internet.

Not really, the point is you don't have to dilute a conference at a mainstream event like E3 with random indie titles that most people just scoff at anyways. Especially when you get indie announcements and trailers all throughout the year. You get maybe a handful of AAA announcements every year outside of the conferences (at least in the west, Japan still does a lot with their print media) and trailers mostly only come in the lead up to the actual release of the titles.

the internet consensus was e3 2016 << e3 2015.

2016 lack surprise and it lack content. 

Lol, yeah I'm sure you can show me that consensus. Cause I pretty much haven't heard anything like that.

the standouts for 2015 was TLG, FF remake and shenmue 3 and surprise (my mom makes great fudge),.. shenmue is an  indie.

People aren't exactly happy that Shenmue 3 is an indie. Shenmue is a continuation of an old AAA series that was never finished and that people had been asking for for 14 years. People were swept up in the hype of the moment at the conference because Shenmue was coming back, but you can't tell me that people wouldn't have rather the game came to fruition in a different way. The whole thing was super controversial with it just being a Kickstarter announcement and people have been wondering from the start how the studio would be able to actually make a real Shenmue sequel with the budget they got. But Shenmue 3 is a starved fanbase taking what they can get.


Dr. Pezus

Anyone else hyped for dragon quest builders? Never played a dragon quest game but this one looks so good. Reviews are great too

DerNebel

Anyone else hyped for dragon quest builders? Never played a dragon quest game but this one looks so good. Reviews are great too
Not necessarily super hyped, but I'm interested, yeah.

GribbleGrunger

Oct 08, 2016, 02:10 PM Last Edit: Oct 08, 2016, 02:22 PM by GribbleGrunger
A game is a game. The idea of AAA, AA or Indie needs to die in my opinion. All I need to know is if it's worth playing and why.

FEZ, Thomas Was Alone and TLOU are all remarkable 'games'.

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