Star Wars VII: The Discussion Awakens (Untagged Spoilers)

[the-pi-guy]

Max wants to discuss the new movie, so lettuce do it.  

[Legend]

Plot and story sucked, but everything else made up for it! I'm glad Abrams isn't directing the next one.

8/10

[the-pi-guy]

It's pretty much been done before.  
It's basically A New Hope with a bigger death star.  Kinda lame, but the movie did well with it.  It didn't really make this plot a focus, it was secondary.  Most of the movie wasn't like "oh they're working on destroying the death star", it was more like "We're doing some stuff, but we're also destroying the death star."

Which is a big part, in my opinion why this didn't hurt the movie so bad.  

I really liked a lot of what they did with the movie.    

[Max King of the Wild]

First awesome part of the movie, keylo Ren showing of his strength and stopping a blaster mid trajectory and able to keep it frozen and talk and plan and pay attention and feel. (keep this in mind)




First terrible part of the movie, "get this safe R2d... I mean BB8.



Second terrible part of the movie "yo bro, you helped me escape after I was tortured. I instantly trust you and this couldn't possibly be a trap to lead me to the BB unit easier. Not like Hitler... I mean Empire ever used this technique ever" (my mom who liked the movie didn't like this either) terrible writting/story telling

Second awesome part of the movie, obvious hero introduced as loner and scavenger. Total bad dog aura given off.



Third terrible part of the movie, hero turns into unexplainable Mary Jane. I've read arguments against this point like "Luke makes an impossible shot to destroy death star with little training" but... I always felt like obi won used the force and was there helping him. It's always been hinted at that jedi have other powers past physical form. I mean, I'm pretty sure that's why obi won kinda sacrifices himself. His body is feeble and useless and his teachings has been as fulfilled as possible without time which is a luxury no one had so he would be more useful dead where the dark side couldn't reach and hinder him

[the-pi-guy]

Third terrible part of the movie, hero turns into unexplainable Mary Jane.

If you say so.  
I already mentioned about this.  I don't agree with your assessment.  
Just because those traits are rather unusual, doesn't mean they are impossible.  

Second terrible part of the movie "yo bro, you helped me escape after I was tortured. I instantly trust you and this couldn't possibly be a trap to lead me to the BB unit easier. Not like Hitler... I mean Empire ever used this technique ever" (my mom who liked the movie didn't like this either) terrible writting/story telling

1.) Perhaps he felt either way it was at least an opportunity for him to escape.  And found that he kept with his promise.  

2.) People aren't always so logical.  In fact, they usually aren't.  Perhaps he felt some strange reason to trust him.  He seems innocent.  He doesn't look like the soulless stormtrooper that is usually left masked.  

[Max King of the Wild]

If you say so.  
I already mentioned about this.  I don't agree with your assessment.  
Just because those traits are rather unusual, doesn't mean they are impossible.  
1.) Perhaps he felt either way it was at least an opportunity for him to escape.  And found that he kept with his promise.  

2.) People aren't always so logical.  In fact, they usually aren't.  Perhaps he felt some strange reason to trust him.  He seems innocent.  He doesn't look like the soulless stormtrooper that is usually left masked.  

The "best pilot of the rebels" who "couldn't be coerced into talking by ' 'conventional' means" has no problem just going along with a mostly unexplainable and questionable rescue. Sure, best chance to escape but instant bro and trading secrets... No. Total Mary Jane. No defense against it.


Third awesome part of the movie, Han.  but Gets ruined by the Mary Jane who is an expert mechanic, pilot, fighter, chemist, rocket scientist, fighter, sharpshooter, force user, scavenger, dueler.



More to come

Best part of this movie, it's apparent by this point the movie is an adventure movie and not a political snooze fest like the prequels.

[Legend]

Rey isn't a Mary Jane, that term really only has meaning in fanfiction where the author inserts themselves into the story.

[the-pi-guy]

The "best pilot of the rebels" who "couldn't be coerced into talking by ' 'conventional' means" has no problem just going along with a mostly unexplainable and questionable rescue. Sure, best chance to escape but instant bro and trading secrets... No. Total Mary Jane. No defense against it.


Third awesome part of the movie, Han.  but Gets ruined by the Mary Jane who is an expert mechanic, pilot, fighter, chemist, fighter, sharpshooter, force user.

Chemist?  

You're making me appreciate her more and more, because you make her sound impossible, but it's more and more my friend.  

Also making me respect my friend that much more.  lol  
My friend is a farmer, who loves outdoorsy stuff.  He likes shooting guns, he has 4 cars, and has intimate knowledge of how they work, what issues they have, etc.  
I don't know how good of a shot he is, to be honest. He's very strong.  
He works on airplanes too.  He is building a plane with his dad, and it's just crazy how much knowledge he has about planes.  Not even just the ones he's worked on.  He came over a couple weeks ago and saw a book I had (about game engines with a "jet engine" on the cover) and started lecturing me on how inaccurate the picture was.  
He's not a pilot, but that's more because of certain requirements, not an actual inability to do so, or anything like that.  To get your pilot's license you have to take like a year to do it, I think.  But Rey wouldn't be in that situation.  

Except the force part, obviously.  
I think though, that she did have some sort of training or at the very least is possibly Luke's daughter.

The only thing that really makes these things seem impossible, is because
A.)  They are atypical interests.  Most people shy away from those types of activities.  Instead focusing on sports, or other junk.  
A1.)  Another thing is that even for people who would be interested in these types of topics, they shy away from them because of perceived difficulty, or possibly social pressure to shy away from them.  "Hey I'm majoring in math"  "Well, that's kinda lame."  or "why would you want to do that?"
 
B.)  Just because you haven't really seen many (or likely any) people who are capable of even a fraction, doesn't mean it's impossible.  
B1.) It's a combination of different circumstances.

[Riderz1337]

I liked Kylo Ren up until the end of the movie. He seemed like a total bad dog in the beginning but in the end you see him almost get his dog kicked by a storm trooper and ultimately gets owned by Rey.

I realize now the only thing he's good at owning is computer equipment lmao

[the-pi-guy]

I feel like there are a few aspects of the movie that need to be addressed in the next movie.  

Like the connection between Luke and Rey.  

Also Kylo Ren.  
I am kind of hoping he is holding back in the last part of the movie.  
Because he just seemed crazy strong in the beginning, never seemed to do that at the end too much.  

[Max King of the Wild]

Rey isn't a Mary Jane, that term really only has meaning in fanfiction where the author inserts themselves into the story.

My understanding is an impossibly perfect female role often found in fanfic because it fulfills the authors fantasy in someway. Not exclusive to fanfic.

I've seen arguments that there are perfect male roles no one bats an eye to such as James Bond but that's far from truth. James is an attractive spy with advanced training. He's really only good at extracting info and killing. He doesn't design or make his weapons. That's a different department and he isn't a computer wiz. James has tons of faults. Not to mention the fact that he's been trained

[Riderz1337]

I feel like there are a few aspects of the movie that need to be addressed in the next movie.  

Like the connection between Luke and Rey.  

Also Kylo Ren.  
I am kind of hoping he is holding back in the last part of the movie.  
Because he just seemed crazy strong in the beginning, never seemed to do that at the end too much.  

Well the Snoke (?) guy did say at the end bring me Kylo Ren to complete his training. I'm thinking that when he killed his dad, Han Solo, it sort of proved his "dark side" to the Snoke guy so now Kylo Ren will receive his full training and will hopefully be much more bad dog.

[Max King of the Wild]

Chemist?  

You're making me appreciate her more and more, because you make her sound impossible, but it's more and more my friend.  

Also making me respect my friend that much more.  lol  
My friend is a farmer, who loves outdoorsy stuff.  He likes shooting guns, he has 4 cars, and has intimate knowledge of how they work, what issues they have, etc.  
I don't know how good of a shot he is, to be honest. He's very strong.  
He works on airplanes too.  He is building a plane with his dad, and it's just crazy how much knowledge he has about planes.  Not even just the ones he's worked on.  He came over a couple weeks ago and saw a book I had (about game engines with a "jet engine" on the cover) and started lecturing me on how inaccurate the picture was.  
He's not a pilot, but that's more because of certain requirements, not an actual inability to do so, or anything like that.  To get your pilot's license you have to take like a year to do it, I think.  But Rey wouldn't be in that situation.  

Except the force part, obviously.  
I think though, that she did have some sort of training or at the very least is possibly Luke's daughter.

The only thing that really makes these things seem impossible, is because
A.)  They are atypical interests.  Most people shy away from those types of activities.  Instead focusing on sports, or other junk.  
A1.)  Another thing is that even for people who would be interested in these types of topics, they shy away from them because of perceived difficulty, or possibly social pressure to shy away from them.  "Hey I'm majoring in math"  "Well, that's kinda lame."  or "why would you want to do that?"
 
B.)  Just because you haven't really seen many (or likely any) people who are capable of even a fraction, doesn't mean it's impossible.  
B1.) It's a combination of different circumstances.

Poison gas ring a bell? And she's had 0 advanced teachings in school and lives in extreme poverty barely able to get enough food. Doubt your friend does. Also, ask him to work on a stealth bomber mechanically.


Keylo Ren and Rey duel was awful. They should have saved the dueling from the prequels (only good aspects of them) and brought it to these. But obviously Rey isn't trained so they should have had a different hero who was show up. Preferably unexpectedly.  A student that completed Luke's training that he trusted or a jedi that the Empire didn't assassinate who Luke found and finished his training under. Let keylo kill him off at the end. There had to have been students of Luke before Ben. 9month gestation period and years before a child can comprehend what's being taught. Obviously prep work in the early years but not training. Or hell, have Luke show up and have their understanding of what they were looking for change. They knew they were looking for a map and thought it led to Luke but really it Luke had the other part of the map and was hiding what he found

[the-pi-guy]

Poison gas ring a bell? And she's had 0 advanced teachings in school and lives in extreme poverty barely able to get enough food. Doubt your friend does. Also, ask him to work on a stealth bomber mechanically.

Wasn't the poisonous gas something on board?  Think that would go with her mechanical skills, not a new chemical skill.

I'm sure he could work something out.

But while, my friend has more access to school and stuff, I would argue that she has more access to hands on stuff.  
A lot of that stuff, my friend figured out by playing with stuff, with some background knowledge.  

But she'd likely have far more ability to be able to experiment with stuff than my friend.  Which could make the difference, in my opinion.  

[Max King of the Wild]

Wasn't the poisonous gas something on board?  Think that would go with her mechanical skills, not a new chemical skill.

I'm sure he could work something out.

But while, my friend has more access to school and stuff, I would argue that she has more access to hands on stuff.  
A lot of that stuff, my friend figured out by playing with stuff, with some background knowledge.  

But she'd likely have far more ability to be able to experiment with stuff than my friend.  Which could make the difference, in my opinion.  

Working from dawn till dusk on slave wage has more access to figure things hands on? This isn't Legos here