3rd party next gen exclusives?

[darkknightkryta]

You're only pointing out the 6th generation and even then there were a number of Western third party exclusives including Knights of the Old Republic, Summoner, Red Faction, and Eternal Darkness. Crash Bandicoot is a good example of a Western exclusive from the 5th gen. Naughty Dog wasn't owned by Sony then. Hell, Microsoft bought Bungie and Halo while they were in the middle of working on it to make sure it went nowhere else but Xbox. I'm not saying that Western exclusives were anywhere near what Japan did. Not even close. But there were more Western third party exclusives than I think you think there were.

Summoner was PC, Summoner 2 came out on the GameCube, same with Red Faction.  Eternal Darkness was done by Silicon Knights who was second party.  Crash Bandicoot was made under a partnership with Sony and Universal.  Universal had the IP, Sony had the publishing.  When their contract was up, Universal left Sony.  There was actually quite a bit back on the Xbox, but they were mostly nameless titles made by PC devs.  The larger publishers were exclusive to no one.  But yeah, I'm focusing on PS2 gen, cause that's what Nintendo and Microsoft fans moan about the most, yet there wasn't many exclusives outside of Japan back then.  Especially on the PS2.

[Raven]

Summoner was PC, Summoner 2 came out on the GameCube, same with Red Faction.  Eternal Darkness was done by Silicon Knights who was second party.  Crash Bandicoot was made under a partnership with Sony and Universal.  Universal had the IP, Sony had the publishing.  When their contract was up, Universal left Sony.  There was actually quite a bit back on the Xbox, but they were mostly nameless titles made by PC devs.  The larger publishers were exclusive to no one.  But yeah, I'm focusing on PS2 gen, cause that's what Nintendo and Microsoft fans moan about the most, yet there wasn't many exclusives outside of Japan back then.  Especially on the PS2.

I'm not including PC since no one really does when arguing exclusives. 2nd party is just another way of saying "third party developer working closely with a first party to make exclusive games". Where a franchise went after one of its games had been exclusive isn't really relevant. The original Red Faction was not on any other console that I remember. There were plenty of Western third party games that were exclusive and certainly not nameless. Unless you want to convince me that Xbox exclusives like Jade Empire, Doom 3, Half-Life 2, and Counterstrike were nameless. Was it developed by a third party? Was it found on other consoles of the same generation? Those are really the two questions that matter. I could probably list at least 50 Western third party developed games that were exclusive to one of the four consoles in the 6th gen alone. Whether you decide to get really picky about what qualifies is your deal.

[darkknightkryta]

I'm not including PC since no one really does when arguing exclusives. 2nd party is just another way of saying "third party developer working closely with a first party to make exclusive games". Where a franchise went after one of its games had been exclusive isn't really relevant. The original Red Faction was not on any other console that I remember. There were plenty of Western third party games that were exclusive and certainly not nameless. Unless you want to convince me that Xbox exclusives like Jade Empire, Doom 3, Half-Life 2, and Counterstrike were nameless. Was it developed by a third party? Was it found on other consoles of the same generation? Those are really the two questions that matter. I could probably list at least 50 Western third party developed games that were exclusive to one of the four consoles in the 6th gen alone. Whether you decide to get really picky about what qualifies is your deal.

Except Silicon Knights was 49% owned by Nintendo.  Hal f Life 2 came out for PS3 and 360, it would have come out for PS2 had the PS2 been powerful enough, much like how Half Life the first came out for PS2.  Same with Doom 3.  Also, those games aren't exclusives either, PC.  Hell they were "PC Exclusives" until they decided to do a Xbox port, because the power was there.  Since you can't name me anymore... I win

[Raven]

Except Silicon Knights was 49% owned by Nintendo.  Hal f Life 2 came out for PS3 and 360, it would have come out for PS2 had the PS2 been powerful enough, much like how Half Life the first came out for PS2.  Same with Doom 3.  Also, those games aren't exclusives either, PC.  Hell they were "PC Exclusives" until they decided to do a Xbox port, because the power was there.  Since you can't name me anymore... I win

Just wait until I get home. By the way, PC doesn't count. No one really cares if the game is also on PC. In fact, the people crying about SF5 are overlooking that it's on PC. I'll give you Eternal Darkness though. I forgot Nintendo had them by the balls for awhile.

[Raven]

ABUSE OF POWER!

[BasilZero]

Speaking of fighting games, I think Tekken 7 might also be exclusive to PS4. The most recent game, Tekken Revolution, only released on PS3. Also, the producer of the franchise said he'd like to keep it going on PS4. He made no mention of other consoles.

Revolution was like a P2UL fighter - Pay 2 Unlock Fighter.

If its something like that, no please.

Anyways, if Tekken is exclusive to PS4 - I'm fine with that and if it comes to PC - I'll be happy with that as well ! May even double dip lol.

[darkknightkryta]

Just wait until I get home. By the way, PC doesn't count. No one really cares if the game is also on PC. In fact, the people crying about SF5 are overlooking that it's on PC. I'll give you Eternal Darkness though. I forgot Nintendo had them by the balls for awhile.

But that's the thing, some of those games were PC exclusive at first.  Publishers just wanted more money and made Xbox ports.  And yes, SF 5 is coming to PC, where my friend is getting it.  Good thing it has Cross-Platform play.

[BasilZero]

But that's the thing, some of those games were PC exclusive at first.  Publishers just wanted more money and made Xbox ports.  And yes, SF 5 is coming to PC, where my friend is getting it.  Good thing it has Cross-Platform play.

I will be getting SFV on PC !

[Raven]

But that's the thing, some of those games were PC exclusive at first.  Publishers just wanted more money and made Xbox ports.  And yes, SF 5 is coming to PC, where my friend is getting it.  Good thing it has Cross-Platform play.

It doesn't matter what they were on PC. First there or not. We're talking about what games were made console exclusive. That's what all the barking is about. Console makers getting exclusive games from third parties. I was pointing out why it's ridiculous to complain about it NOW when it's something that had already been happening quite a bit during the 10 year reign of the PlayStation and PlayStation 2. Then you decided to throw out there, for some reason, that Western developers never really did third party exclusives. Why you did this I'm still not very clear on.

So taking into consideration what the crying is about, I'm pointing out where Western developers did, in fact, do this. Again, taking their arguments into consideration, the PC versions of these games don't matter nor do they matter if they were also on mobile devices nor do they matter if the games came out on other platforms the following generation. I am treating you as if you were one of those people complaining and adding in that Western developers never really did that before. I'm then pointing out to you that they actually did. Here's a list of 55 games on just the PlayStation 2 that were developed by third party Western developers. This is not an exhaustive list. This is just the number I decided to stop at since I claimed I could find at least 50 games across the four consoles of the 6th generation. I found more than that on just the PlayStation 2.

Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal
Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando
Ratchet & Clank
Red Faction
Sly 2: Band of Thieves
SOCOM II: U.S. Navy SEALs
WWE Smackdown! Here Comes the Pain
Amplitude
Sly Cooper and the Thievius Raccoonus
Sly 3: Honor Among Thieves
Frequency
WWE Smackdown! vs Raw 2006
WWE Smackdown! Shut Your Mouth
SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs
Escape from Monkey Island
Half-Life
ATV Offroad Fury
Deus Ex
Ratchet: Deadlocked
Rumble Racing
Theme Park Roller Coaster
World Rally Championship
WWE Smackdown! vs Raw
ATV Offroad Fury 2
SOCOM 3: U.S. Navy SEALs
Soul Reaver 2
Giants: Citizen Kabuto
Splashdown: Rides Gone Wild
WRC: Rally Evolved
Drakan: The Ancients' Gates
Sky Odyssey
ATV Offroad Fury 4
WWF Smackdown! Just Bring It
ATV Offroad Fury 3
Swing Away Golf
Legend of Kay
Star Wars Racer Revenge
Project Eden
Shox
Tribes Aerial Assault
Killzone
The Red Star
Lethal Skies 2
AirBlade
Kya: Dark Lineage
Downforce
Thunderstrike: Operation Phoenix
Summoner
Rise of the Kasai
Ghost Recon: Jungle Storm
The Operative: No One Lives Forever
Herdy Gerdy
Wild Wild Racing
Jet X2O
Shadow Man: 2econd Coming

Some of these games were made by studios that would later become first party. Note that some of these games are indeed from EA, Eidos, and even Ubisoft. Gaming houses you claimed had all of their games on the other platforms of that generation as well. The fact that studios like Insomniac were locked to the PlayStation 2 in creating sequels to their games doesn't matter since they agreed to that to begin with and could have created games on other platforms at any time yet continued making those games for the PlayStation 2. As I said, this is just the PlayStation 2 and not even all of the games I could have listed. We could at least double this list with the other three platforms.

[darkknightkryta]

It doesn't matter what they were on PC. First there or not. We're talking about what games were made console exclusive. That's what all the barking is about. Console makers getting exclusive games from third parties. I was pointing out why it's ridiculous to complain about it NOW when it's something that had already been happening quite a bit during the 10 year reign of the PlayStation and PlayStation 2. Then you decided to throw out there, for some reason, that Western developers never really did third party exclusives. Why you did this I'm still not very clear on.

So taking into consideration what the crying is about, I'm pointing out where Western developers did, in fact, do this. Again, taking their arguments into consideration, the PC versions of these games don't matter nor do they matter if they were also on mobile devices nor do they matter if the games came out on other platforms the following generation. I am treating you as if you were one of those people complaining and adding in that Western developers never really did that before. I'm then pointing out to you that they actually did. Here's a list of 55 games on just the PlayStation 2 that were developed by third party Western developers. This is not an exhaustive list. This is just the number I decided to stop at since I claimed I could find at least 50 games across the four consoles of the 6th generation. I found more than that on just the PlayStation 2.

Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal
Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando
Ratchet & Clank
Red Faction
Sly 2: Band of Thieves
SOCOM II: U.S. Navy SEALs
WWE Smackdown! Here Comes the Pain
Amplitude
Sly Cooper and the Thievius Raccoonus
Sly 3: Honor Among Thieves
Frequency
WWE Smackdown! vs Raw 2006
WWE Smackdown! Shut Your Mouth
SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs
Escape from Monkey Island
Half-Life
ATV Offroad Fury
Deus Ex
Ratchet: Deadlocked
Rumble Racing
Theme Park Roller Coaster
World Rally Championship
WWE Smackdown! vs Raw
ATV Offroad Fury 2
SOCOM 3: U.S. Navy SEALs
Soul Reaver 2
Giants: Citizen Kabuto
Splashdown: Rides Gone Wild
WRC: Rally Evolved
Drakan: The Ancients' Gates
Sky Odyssey
ATV Offroad Fury 4
WWF Smackdown! Just Bring It
ATV Offroad Fury 3
Swing Away Golf
Legend of Kay
Star Wars Racer Revenge
Project Eden
Shox
Tribes Aerial Assault
Killzone
The Red Star
Lethal Skies 2
AirBlade
Kya: Dark Lineage
Downforce
Thunderstrike: Operation Phoenix
Summoner
Rise of the Kasai
Ghost Recon: Jungle Storm
The Operative: No One Lives Forever
Herdy Gerdy
Wild Wild Racing
Jet X2O
Shadow Man: 2econd Coming

Some of these games were made by studios that would later become first party. Note that some of these games are indeed from EA, Eidos, and even Ubisoft. Gaming houses you claimed had all of their games on the other platforms of that generation as well. The fact that studios like Insomniac were locked to the PlayStation 2 in creating sequels to their games doesn't matter since they agreed to that to begin with and could have created games on other platforms at any time yet continued making those games for the PlayStation 2. As I said, this is just the PlayStation 2 and not even all of the games I could have listed. We could at least double this list with the other three platforms.

I'm arguing because a lot of xbox and Nintendo fans keep on complaining about third party exclusives on the PS2 verse lack of third party support which is bull. Half that list was games funded by Sony.  Sony owns the the IPs to half of that list.  Some of those titles were on the Dreamcast, most of the sequels to those titles appeared on other consoles.  Remember the PS2 had a year head start when some of those games were made.  Plus, don't ignore PC.  That's just changing the rules because it doesn't fit your arguments.  By that reasoning WoW didn't have 10 million people at the same time and Blizzard doesn't exist since they didn't make any game since 98% are PC only.  Most of those titles that aren't owned by Sony are on PC.  The other point I was trying to mention was that most Xbox exclusives were PC exclusives at first.  Those titles would also be ported to the PS2 had the PS2 been capable enough.

[Legend]

Plus mkx is playstation teamed. Doubt it will be exclusive, but still.

Mortal kombat 10

[Raven]

I'm arguing because a lot of xbox and Nintendo fans keep on complaining about third party exclusives on the PS2 verse lack of third party support which is bull. Half that list was games funded by Sony.  Sony owns the the IPs to half of that list.  Some of those titles were on the Dreamcast, most of the sequels to those titles appeared on other consoles.  Remember the PS2 had a year head start when some of those games were made.  Plus, don't ignore PC.  That's just changing the rules because it doesn't fit your arguments.  By that reasoning WoW didn't have 10 million people at the same time and Blizzard doesn't exist since they didn't make any game since 98% are PC only.  Most of those titles that aren't owned by Sony are on PC.  The other point I was trying to mention was that most Xbox exclusives were PC exclusives at first.  Those titles would also be ported to the PS2 had the PS2 been capable enough.

I'm not changing rules. I already explained to you what my position was and why I am ignoring PC. Because most people do and the ones who complain about the exclusivity do especially. Besides, you don't seem to have any trouble acting like you're the one who decides what the rules are to fit your own argument. Pot, meet kettle. Most of the people complaining about exclusivity are ignoring these rules you seem to be deciding on. No one really cares about what is on PC first or in addition to when we're talking console war arguments. The only time they do is when they want to downplay a console having an exclusive. Your reasoning for me to not ignore PC is way off base. It's not even in the same ballpark as to why I am ignoring it.

I've even heard people complaining about USSF4 going only to PS4 despite how old the base game is and the fact it's already multiplatform. They don't care where the game was or if it's on a PC. These people are arguing about where the games are NOW. So if we were to take them as they are now, send them back in time to the 5th and 6th generations, their complaints wouldn't change. They'd still baby that a game that came out on PC a year ago is only coming to this console or that console. PC gaming practically exists in its own space separate from consoles to the minds of a great deal of gamers. So when a game like Half-Life or FEAR come to consoles well after the PC version it's treated differently than most console titles.

As far as Sony funding some of those games or ending up owning the IPs, what does that matter? Money was still exchanged in return for a game being developed only for that console by a third party and then that third party kept coming back to make sequels instead of creating multiplatform projects. Do you think they care what Sony paid for it or how involved they were? Of course not. All they see is that a third party was put to work on an exclusive project. As far as the Xbox exclusives, are you telling me those games would not have also run on Gamecube? Was it not capable enough? Not to mention, some of those titles could have been ported to the PS2. Not all of them were too much for it to handle.

I already gave you a list of over 50 PlayStation 2 games that were, at the very least, console exclusive to it. There are more than that and I didn't even really touch Xbox, Gamecube, or Dreamcast. I also won't even bother touching the 5th generation at this point. If you want to continue to deny that there were a fair amount of exclusive Western third party titles be my guest but I feel I've proved my point. This was honestly a wasted effort anyways because it doesn't even actually matter if there were Western exclusives or not. I'm still not clear on why you felt the need to bring up Western developers to begin with but you seem to have reasons that make an odd sense to you. It's late. I feel like I've wasted enough time on this pedantic discussion.

[Riderz1337]

Not only was Titanfall moneyhatted, but Respawn, the dev, didn't even know the deal was done. They found out the same time we did lol...Pretty pathetic.

[Legend]

Not only was Titanfall moneyhatted, but Respawn, the dev, didn't even know the deal was done. They found out the same time we did lol...Pretty pathetic.

Yeah that was kinda crazy.

[darkknightkryta]

I'm not changing rules. I already explained to you what my position was and why I am ignoring PC. Because most people do and the ones who complain about the exclusivity do especially. Besides, you don't seem to have any trouble acting like you're the one who decides what the rules are to fit your own argument. Pot, meet kettle. Most of the people complaining about exclusivity are ignoring these rules you seem to be deciding on. No one really cares about what is on PC first or in addition to when we're talking console war arguments. The only time they do is when they want to downplay a console having an exclusive. Your reasoning for me to not ignore PC is way off base. It's not even in the same ballpark as to why I am ignoring it.

I've even heard people complaining about USSF4 going only to PS4 despite how old the base game is and the fact it's already multiplatform. They don't care where the game was or if it's on a PC. These people are arguing about where the games are NOW. So if we were to take them as they are now, send them back in time to the 5th and 6th generations, their complaints wouldn't change. They'd still baby that a game that came out on PC a year ago is only coming to this console or that console. PC gaming practically exists in its own space separate from consoles to the minds of a great deal of gamers. So when a game like Half-Life or FEAR come to consoles well after the PC version it's treated differently than most console titles.

As far as Sony funding some of those games or ending up owning the IPs, what does that matter? Money was still exchanged in return for a game being developed only for that console by a third party and then that third party kept coming back to make sequels instead of creating multiplatform projects. Do you think they care what Sony paid for it or how involved they were? Of course not. All they see is that a third party was put to work on an exclusive project. As far as the Xbox exclusives, are you telling me those games would not have also run on Gamecube? Was it not capable enough? Not to mention, some of those titles could have been ported to the PS2. Not all of them were too much for it to handle.

I already gave you a list of over 50 PlayStation 2 games that were, at the very least, console exclusive to it. There are more than that and I didn't even really touch Xbox, Gamecube, or Dreamcast. I also won't even bother touching the 5th generation at this point. If you want to continue to deny that there were a fair amount of exclusive Western third party titles be my guest but I feel I've proved my point. This was honestly a wasted effort anyways because it doesn't even actually matter if there were Western exclusives or not. I'm still not clear on why you felt the need to bring up Western developers to begin with but you seem to have reasons that make an odd sense to you. It's late. I feel like I've wasted enough time on this pedantic discussion.

But why ignore PC?  Because everyone has one?  It doesn't support other people's agendas?  That's what you're saying essentially (Or not, that's what I'm understanding).  Also by your reasoning, we should count PS2 exclusives that Sony funded, titles that wouldn't exist if Sony didn't fund them, but not PC exclusives?  We should just ignore War Craft, Guild Wars, Counter Strike, etc, because you want to?  I also tore your list apart.  There were exclusives for other platforms as well, I'm not ignoring that, I'm emphasizing that.  To say the PS2 had the majority of exclusives from western publishers is ignorant to say.  Also note, I'm talking publishers.  We tend to count, half the titles in that list, as second party because of the publishing aspect. Half those games, Sony funded.  The other half ended up on PC. Kinda like how we all counted Insomniac games as second party despite the company not being owned by Sony.  There is also no reason to ignore PC, just because PC multiplatform titles don't fit your arguments.  I also disagree with those other people ignoring PC ports as well (Not just you).  Same with Ultra.  I'm going to get the PS4 version when it comes out to play with a few friends.  I also have the PC version (Super, haven't upgraded to Ultra yet).  I bought that version to play with my cousin, should we pretend I didn't buy it?  If I sold my PS3 and didn't buy my PS4, I'd have my PC.  I shouldn't be allowed to keep my Super for PC and not buy Street Fighter 5 for PC because that would contradict your arguments?  There's lots of PC exclusives coming out recently, such as Dota 2.  Hell that's all my PC friends play now.  Those titles are exclusives, do they not count because they don't fit your arguments?  I'd also like to mention that Twisted Metal 2 and Jet Moto were multiplatform titles, even though Sony created those internally.