Movie Thread

Legend · Dec 16, 2022, 04:01 PM

I'm getting hyped! 3 hours till I see it. Avoiding all news at this point.

Hopefully I love it but I really don't know what to expect. Aliens for example is far worse than Alien imo.

Legend · Dec 16, 2022, 10:42 PM

Raw thoughts, just got out. Liked it a lot. Slower than first, a bit worse overall imo.

Legend · Dec 17, 2022, 02:42 AM

Some quick yet longer thoughts.

The high framerate and graphics were sometimes incredible. It was unlike anything you've ever experienced in a theater. Reminded me a lot of the ride at Disney World.

Other times however it ranged from meh to atrocious. I don't know if there was a glitch or if my brain got too used to 48fps, but the framerate on a few shots near the end felt very low and was literally painful to watch. Was nauseating for the ~10 minutes of the movie that had those poor shots. Other times the cgi just looked bad. Still better than Marvel, but not by much.

Underwater sections were incredible. They were pretty boring story wise but tended to be a visual treat. Overall, I preferred the jungle.

Weirdest thing imo was just how much it copied the first movie. Many scenes are nearly identical yet they apply to different characters in different environments. It goes far beyond being nostalgic and is just kinda strange. Didn't bother me since I know there's at least one more movie to come, but I'd be really bummed if this was all fans would ever get.

Loved most of the beginning. It started so incredibly strong imo and then got more average. Pretty funny that most of the things people complained about in the first one are worse in the second, such as acting and plot. If the middle was shorter I'd definitely go see it again in theaters but as is I probably wont.

kitler53 · Dec 17, 2022, 04:58 AM

that pretty well sums up why I have no desire to watch this.

Legend · Dec 17, 2022, 05:16 AM

Quote from: kitler53 on Dec 17, 2022, 04:58 AMthat pretty well sums up why I have no desire to watch this.

Maybe you should. I seem to be an outlier. There's one subtitle most people including me laughed at, but my other issues are less common.

I think a director's cut that's also 48 fps the whole time could be a 10/10.

I'm looking forward to seeing it again.

kitler53 · Dec 17, 2022, 02:17 PM

Quote from: Legend on Dec 17, 2022, 05:16 AMMaybe you should. I seem to be an outlier. There's one subtitle most people including me laughed at, but my other issues are less common.

I think a director's cut that's also 48 fps the whole time could be a 10/10.

I'm looking forward to seeing it again.

no, your summary is more fundamental to why I don't care. in a line:

visual feast, bad acting plot.

not interested.

Legend · Dec 17, 2022, 04:37 PM

Quote from: kitler53 on Dec 17, 2022, 02:17 PMno, your summary is more fundamental to why I don't care. in a line:

visual feast, bad acting plot.

not interested.

Other people disagree and like the plot + acting. I seem to be the outlier.

Entire theaters are crying at parts that didn't even phase me lol.

Major spoiler but since you won't see the movie:

Spoiler for Hidden:

I'd recommend not seeing it in HFR though. Filming some shots at 48 fps and others at 24 fps was a baffling decision. I'm seeing that sentiment a lot so I have no idea how they didn't catch this in test screenings. They really need to render more frames or use AI interpolation to make everything a consistent 48 fps.

Dr. Pezus · Dec 17, 2022, 07:28 PM

Why did they only have 48fps in some scenes?

Legend · Dec 17, 2022, 09:01 PM

Quote from: Dr. Pezus on Dec 17, 2022, 07:28 PMWhy did they only have 48fps in some scenes?

Cameron claims 24 fps looks more cinematic: Avatar: The Way of Water frame rate explained – why do some scenes look so smooth? | GamesRadar+

The 24 fps moments that made me feel sick were in fast action moments though, so I think their public reasoning is bs.

EDT: After rewatching trailers, I think it's far more complicated.

24 fps isn't inherently a problem. The lack of motion blur is the problem. Some shots, and some elements within shots, have way too little motion blur.

This is a shot from a new trailer, where I chopped it up a bit to show the problem in action.

Spoiler for Hidden:

The boats in the foreground have less blur than the ship in the background, yet they are copied in from a frame that actually should have made them ~50% blurrier than the ship. I measured pixels and all that.

Youtube compression definitely complicates things, but these boats were the major thing that made me feel sick. You can watch the trailers and find lots of shots that have this weird stop motion/low framerate feeling, and those are the exact shots that were nauseating in the theater, so it's not an issue with 24 fps or 48 fps directly.

Legend · Dec 18, 2022, 01:54 AM

In non avatar news, the trailer for 65 was pretty great in theaters having no clue what it was. Should be called 66 though.

BananaKing · Dec 21, 2022, 09:37 PM

I saw it. Visually its fantastic.

The 3d is also great. Its not about having things "pop" in your face, but it gives the scenes proper depth

Story is good, writing is good, acting is good.

Overall it was a good movie and an enjoyable one. But very very long.

nnodley · Dec 26, 2022, 01:22 AM

Way of water looks to pass 900 million Monday or Tuesday. Pretty crazy it's gonna pass multiverse of madness' full run in 2 weeks or less

Not sure it will hit 2 billion but I'd say it will easily pass 1.5 billion

Hoping to go see it in imax this week or next

Legend · Dec 27, 2022, 01:47 AM

Quote from: nnodley on Dec 26, 2022, 01:22 AMWay of water looks to pass 900 million Monday or Tuesday. Pretty crazy it's gonna pass multiverse of madness' full run in 2 weeks or less

Not sure it will hit 2 billion but I'd say it will easily pass 1.5 billion

Hoping to go see it in imax this week or next

I'm pretty happy with my ~$2 billion prediction before release. I just meant it as a general "closer to 2 than 1 or 3" but it might end up really close to it.

Online discussions have been eerily similar to the ones in 2009. Back then Avatar 1 opened below expectations, had a massive storm that kept everyone home, and couldn't compete with the previous film's success. Like isn't this a fun quote from 2009?: The movie will need to demonstrate supernatural hold on audiences in the coming weeks to avoid becoming a financial calamity for Fox and its financing partners

Also I forgot how much I paid back then. I saw Avatar 1 at 3:25 PM on opening day for $15.00 in IMAX. My premium ticket for Avatar 2 was "just" $17.39.

nnodley · Dec 27, 2022, 02:58 AM

Yeah I think it's definitely getting pretty close to 2 billion. I'd imagine the 1 billion it's about to hit will be enough to break even. No way it needs 2 billion just ti break even. Pretty sure that was taken way out of context when he said that

Legend · Dec 27, 2022, 06:58 AM

Quote from: nnodley on Dec 27, 2022, 02:58 AMYeah I think it's definitely getting pretty close to 2 billion. I'd imagine the 1 billion it's about to hit will be enough to break even. No way it needs 2 billion just ti break even. Pretty sure that was taken way out of context when he said that

Sure seems like it'll make enough to greenlight 4 and 5.

I wanna see more worldbuilding! Haha I even got the way of water art book for Christmas.