PS5 |OT| now with PlayStation Portal

[the-pi-guy]

even better,.. the ps5 isn't even out yet and it's already collecting dust..

Even better, the system comes pre-layered with dust for an authentic hasnt-been-played look.

[Xevross]

Another angle on PS5 price from the fiscal report:



Sony made 50bn Yen more profit than Q1 last fiscal year but expect to make the same total profit for the full year, so they expect 50bn Yen (or about $470M) less profit for the remainder of this fiscal year. That's despite a big expected gain in PS+ subs and a stronger looking holiday lineup of titles from third parties this year.  Also in that period for FY2019, Death Stranding was the only relatively big game published by Sony. Compare that to the period coming this year with TLOU2 legs, Ghost of Tsushima, Spider-Man MM and probably a couple more bigger titles before April 2021 that we don't know about yet. You can see Sony state an expected operating income increase due to software, so this all makes sense.
 
 The logical conclusion is that Sony are taking a $500M+ hit on hardware sales this fiscal year. On 10M consoles that would be $50+ loss per console, about the same as PS4. No way PS5 is more than $500 if that's anywhere close to being right.

As I analysed before, if $450 BOM is right then Sony would make a ~$30 loss on PS5 at $499 and $110 on PS5d at $399. If they sell equal amounts than an average $70 loss and I think everyone expects the disc version to sell more at launch, so a $50 average loss doesn't seem too far off, and that's probably a minimum estimate.

[Dr. Pezus]

Another angle on PS5 price from the fiscal report:



Sony made 50bn Yen more profit than Q1 last fiscal year but expect to make the same total profit for the full year, so they expect 50bn Yen (or about $470M) less profit for the remainder of this fiscal year. That's despite a big expected gain in PS+ subs and a stronger looking holiday lineup of titles from third parties this year.  Also in that period for FY2019, Death Stranding was the only relatively big game published by Sony. Compare that to the period coming this year with TLOU2 legs, Ghost of Tsushima, Spider-Man MM and probably a couple more bigger titles before April 2021 that we don't know about yet. You can see Sony state an expected operating income increase due to software, so this all makes sense.
 
 The logical conclusion is that Sony are taking a $500M+ hit on hardware sales this fiscal year. On 10M consoles that would be $50+ loss per console, about the same as PS4. No way PS5 is more than $500 if that's anywhere close to being right.

As I analysed before, if $450 BOM is right then Sony would make a ~$30 loss on PS5 at $499 and $110 on PS5d at $399. If they sell equal amounts than an average $70 loss and I think everyone expects the disc version to sell more at launch, so a $50 average loss doesn't seem too far off, and that's probably a minimum estimate.

What about marketing?

[Xevross]

What about marketing?

I doubt that marketing budget will change dramatically, they still constantly advertised PS4 and its games, that just switches over to PS5 now. Maybe there's a bit more of a push but its not huge.

[kitler53]

I doubt that marketing budget will change dramatically, they still constantly advertised PS4 and its games, that just switches over to PS5 now. Maybe there's a bit more of a push but its not huge.

as an insider i can confirm sony is increasing their marketing budget by $500M.   Sony knows this sort of marketing commitment is required in order to sell their $600 next gen hardware..

[Xevross]

as an insider i can confirm sony is increasing their marketing budget by $500M.   Sony knows this sort of marketing commitment is required in order to sell their $600 next gen hardware..

Lol what a crazy strategy that would be.

So lets not also forget that its a minimum of $500M also as Sony clearly state they expect operating income to increase due to increased software and PS+, which also seems like a logical expectation of increased operating income as well. Should be more like $600M+ going missing easily. Could have a marketing increase of $100M+ and still be taking the $500M hit somewhere.

[DerNebel]

Man there sure is a growing group of people on resetera who are just desperately hoping for Sony to fudge up with the PS5.

[the-pi-guy]

Man there sure is a growing group of people on resetera who are just desperately hoping for Sony to fudge up with the PS5.

Certainly helps when a former mod was starting fan boy flames.

[DerNebel]

Certainly helps when a former mod was starting fan boy flames.

Who used to be a mod?

[the-pi-guy]

Who used to be a mod?

Aesthetic gamer/Dusk Golem

RE8 runs perfectly on XSX, struggling with 1080p60 on PS5

Was also claiming that the XSX was going to be cheaper than PS5.  

I'm guessing I mistyped something or a magic bot messed up what I typed.  

[DerNebel]

Aesthetic gamer/Dusk Golem

RE8 runs perfectly on XSX, struggling with 1080p60 on PS5

Was also claiming that the XSX was going to be cheaper than PS5.  

I'm guessing I mistyped something or a magic bot messed up what I typed.  

Oh didn't know he used to be a mod.

[Xevross]

Some great posts from Matt in that thread:

Where did people get the idea that Sony just overclocked the GPU on its own instead of, you know, design a whole system around these speeds?

So...from nowhere?
 
 Like, it's insane to think these clocks were some sort of last minute thing. The entire system has a clear design philosophy based around speed. The system is significantly more expensive and complicated to build in pursuit of this vision. It has required a lot of careful engineering and planning.
 
 If these clocks were worthless, why would they do that?
 
 You are choosing to believe a ridiculous premise based on...nothing.

...That's what the system is designed to do. That hasn't be hidden. The system has set power draw limits. To work under those limits, under higher workloads the GPU, CPU, or both might down-clock. These downclocks are not hundreds of MHz, very small reductions in speed give a lot back in power.

Yes, they are variable to get MORE performance out the the hardware, not less. I've said this before, but if the SX could magically run at variable rates with all else being equal, that would create a stronger system, not a weaker one.
 
 The quote is about not taking advantage of the variable clocks. You can tell the system to run at max in development to run at max all the time and it will, but that's not going to give you the best possible performance. That's why it's not encouraged.

The thread continues to be a mess though, its so wild the mods haven't locked it. Meanwhile this thread was locked quickly: Why are there so many false and misleading rumors surrounding PlayStation 5? | ResetEra

A summary of rumors dating back to 2019

• PS5 lacks hardware accelerated ray tracing; Ray casting audio support only
• PS5 will have virtually no launch games; Series X will have an abundance of AAA games from the get-go
• PS5's GPU is based on RDNA -1, developed by Roblox user xXAiden-x2005Xx while on work experience at Sony HQ. Bosses ran with the idea because lack of funds
• Cerny boosted the clocks in a last ditch response to Xbox. PS5 is secretly a 9 TFlop machine.
• PS5 is having fabrication difficulties; not enough units at launch
• PS5 BoM is rising beyond control. Might cost upward of $600. Riiidge Racer!
• PS5 is overheating, continually crashing, and engineers are scrambling to fix the problem
• PS5 is hard to develop for, almost PS3 levels of incompetence
• PS5 has trouble reaching native 4K for anything more complicated than Frogger and Pong, developers might settle for 1080p

That's only a fraction of it. So much FUD. What's going on Era. Are launches normally like this? Why is PS5 by far the largest target of nonsense?  

and people got bans for saying stuff like

I've found it interesting that none of these FUD rumours have really occurred for the Series X.
 
 It's as if a particular base of people have been working overtime to try and tear-down the more popular/successful brand.

which is basically just true.

[Dr. Pezus]

Some great posts from Matt in that thread:

The thread continues to be a mess though, its so wild the mods haven't locked it. Meanwhile this thread was locked quickly: Why are there so many false and misleading rumors surrounding PlayStation 5? | ResetEra
 

and people got bans for saying stuff likewhich is basically just true.

Wow when the rumors are summed up like that...

[the-pi-guy]

(2/4) I think console warring is really stupid. The reason I shared them initially is I felt things were too sided despite knowing some accounts of what was about to happen. In some ways I do regret speaking out, but also it's reiterated my own reasons for sharing things, it's

— AestheticGamer aka Dusk Golem (@AestheticGamer1) August 13, 2020

Best way to end the console war is throwing more fire in it.

[Legend]

Year old thread talking about this insider.

Dusk Golem's Reliability : residentevil