Presidential Inauguration of Donald J. Trump 2017

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Xevross

I really hope the allegations of his campaign's ties with Russia are true. Finally we have top GOP members calling for an investigation into it and hopefully something comes of it

Legend

Quote from: Xevross on Feb 15, 2017, 05:50 PMI really hope the allegations of his campaign's ties with Russia are true. Finally we have top GOP members calling for an investigation into it and hopefully something comes of it
I hope they aren't. That would be such a huge blow to our democracy.


Aura7541

Quote from: Xevross on Feb 15, 2017, 05:50 PMI really hope the allegations of his campaign's ties with Russia are true. Finally we have top GOP members calling for an investigation into it and hopefully something comes of it
I hope if the Russian ties are deemed to be legit, we are provided with evidence we can see for ourselves instead of being told "our sources tell us so".

Max King of the Wild

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Quote from: Dr. Pezus on Feb 06, 2017, 12:37 AMWhy didn't they do this before he became president?
Google anonymous declares war on trump. Anonymous is nothing

Quote from: Raven on Feb 06, 2017, 03:34 AMNo one thought he was going to win. A lot of people were convinced that he not only shot himself in the foot one too many times, but that he wasn't popular enough to beat someone like Clinton. The polls, which in the past had been accurate, were way off. Clinton was expected to win by a wide margin. So after the surprising victory, that's when certain groups who hadn't bothered before started getting serious about exposing him if they could.
Eh, yes about polls being off. Completely wrong about nobody thinking he'd have a shot and not trying to expose him.

Donald Trump: Anonymous Declares 'Total War' on His Campaign | Time.com

Raven

Quote from: Legend on Feb 15, 2017, 06:16 PMI hope they aren't. That would be such a huge blow to our democracy.


More like a huge blow to the confidence in the Republican party. It would make Benghazi look like nothing and the worry about illegal immigrants supposedly voting wouldn't even be the topic of conversation anymore when talking about election ethics. It may actually help to force parties to be more transparent in their dealings while campaigning for any political position. Exposing a very real problem. That many people don't know who they're voting for. Not just out of willful ignorance, but because of shady dealings like that. Democracy has endured worse. Political parties, on the other hand, have to reform or die if "treason" starts becoming synonymous with their name. Republicans have needed to reform for a long time now. Too many crazies and backwards thinking morons have infested it. The far right. If Republicans shifted to a Center-Right party, they would dominate American politics.

Max King of the Wild

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Quote from: Xevross on Feb 15, 2017, 05:50 PMI really hope the allegations of his campaign's ties with Russia are true. Finally we have top GOP members calling for an investigation into it and hopefully something comes of it
One, you're a brit. Two, there are no real allegations. The intelligence agencies have already said there is no evidence of connections between the two. Flynn discussed sanctions before being in an official capacity to

Investigating Donald Trump, F.B.I. Sees No Clear Link to Russia - NYTimes.com

Quote from: Raven on Feb 15, 2017, 06:45 PMMore like a huge blow to the confidence in the Republican party. It would make Benghazi look like nothing and the worry about illegal immigrants supposedly voting wouldn't even be the topic of conversation anymore when talking about election ethics. It may actually help to force parties to be more transparent in their dealings while campaigning for any political position. Exposing a very real problem. That many people don't know who they're voting for. Not just out of willful ignorance, but because of shady dealings like that. Democracy has endured worse. Political parties, on the other hand, have to reform or die if "treason" starts becoming synonymous with their name. Republicans have needed to reform for a long time now. Too many crazies and backwards thinking morons have infested it. The far right. If Republicans shifted to a Center-Right party, they would dominate American politics.
33 governors 52 Senators 241 representatives... They already dominate. And in 2018 more risk for Dems than Republicans

Raven

Quote from: Max King of the Wild on Feb 15, 2017, 06:31 PMGoogle anonymous declares war on trump. Anonymous is nothing
Eh, yes about polls being off. Completely wrong about nobody thinking he'd have a shot and not trying to expose him.

Donald Trump: Anonymous Declares 'Total War' on His Campaign | Time.com
Nah dude. No one really thought he was going to win. Even diehard Trump supporters were expecting a Clinton victory and making preemptive calls of the system being rigged in her favor. That their vote didn't matter. Sure, you can probably find some people who believed he would, but you will always find someone to the contrary. Collectively, Clinton was expected to run away with it. I'm not speaking in absolutes. I'm speaking relatively.


Yes, you will find people who wanted to take Trump out of the picture. You can point to whatever you want even from the very beginning of the campaign trail. Still, most groups who were against him didn't start really getting serious until after he won. It's not anything out of the ordinary. All sorts of rhetoric and early moves are made against someone you find to be an enemy yet don't take too seriously but then you don't truly commit until something major happens. I can assure you that if Trump had been taken more seriously early on, these things would have come out a lot sooner.

Xevross

Quote from: Legend on Feb 15, 2017, 06:16 PMI hope they aren't. That would be such a huge blow to our democracy.


A bigger blow than letting Trump be President for four years?

Max King of the Wild

Quote from: Raven on Feb 15, 2017, 06:57 PMNah dude. No one really thought he was going to win. Even diehard Trump supporters were expecting a Clinton victory and making preemptive calls of the system being rigged in her favor. That their vote didn't matter. Sure, you can probably find some people who believed he would, but you will always find someone to the contrary. Collectively, Clinton was expected to run away with it. I'm not speaking in absolutes. I'm speaking relatively.


Yes, you will find people who wanted to take Trump out of the picture. You can point to whatever you want even from the very beginning of the campaign trail. Still, most groups who were against him didn't start really getting serious until after he won. It's not anything out of the ordinary. All sorts of rhetoric and early moves are made against someone you find to be an enemy yet don't take too seriously but then you don't truly commit until something major happens. I can assure you that if Trump had been taken more seriously early on, these things would have come out a lot sooner.
Stop. People were digging dirt on him since he entered.

Raven

Quote from: Max King of the Wild on Feb 15, 2017, 06:46 PMOne, you're a brit. Two, there are no real allegations. The intelligence agencies have already said there is no evidence of connections between the two. Flynn discussed sanctions before being in an official capacity to

Investigating Donald Trump, F.B.I. Sees No Clear Link to Russia - NYTimes.com
33 governors 52 Senators 241 representatives... They already dominate
Lol No. They won a temporary political victory. I'm not talking some short term gains here that they might lose in two years. I'm talking long term. As in, the likelihood of another Democrat controlled government like the early years of Obama happening again would be incredibly slim. Where the back and forth of Presidents from one party to the next doesn't happen nearly as often and the Republicans go for longer stretches of control in the White House. Where Democrats are underdogs in more areas than they are now on average.

Quote from: Max King of the Wild on Feb 15, 2017, 07:00 PMStop. People were digging dirt on him since he entered.
I'll keep going, thank you very much. I never said no one dug up dirt on him and tried. I'm saying the effort didn't become nearly as concerted until after he won. Because, relatively speaking, no one expected it.

Xevross

Quote from: Max King of the Wild on Feb 15, 2017, 06:46 PMOne, you're a brit. Two, there are no real allegations. The intelligence agencies have already said there is no evidence of connections between the two. Flynn discussed sanctions before being in an official capacity to

Investigating Donald Trump, F.B.I. Sees No Clear Link to Russia - NYTimes.com
I don't see what my nationality has to do with my opinions.

I was talking about the new stories which came out in the last 24 hours, not what was happening last year. Washington Post and New York Times claimed that Trump campaign aides had repeated contacts with Russian intelligence services. This is a new allegation.

Max King of the Wild

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Quote from: Xevross on Feb 15, 2017, 07:06 PMI don't see what my nationality has to do with my opinions.

I was talking about the new stories which came out in the last 24 hours, not what was happening last year. Washington Post and New York Times claimed that Trump campaign aides had repeated contacts with Russian intelligence services. This is a new allegation.
It's not a new allegation. That's why the fbi came out in October and said there is no clear link. Repeated connections during the campaign would be a clear link

It's actually a very old allegation...

These are Donald Trump's ties to Russia - CNNPolitics.com

ethomaz

Here in Brazil all newspaper or TV news makes Trump to looks like a joke person with his actions lol

How the US population see him in the government???

Max King of the Wild

Quote from: ethomaz on Feb 15, 2017, 07:22 PMHere in Brazil all newspaper or TV news makes Trump to looks like a joke person with his actions lol

How the US population are sawing these actions???
The left is in full blown hysteria and over dramatizes everything

ethomaz

Quote from: Max King of the Wild on Feb 15, 2017, 07:23 PMThe left is in full blown hysteria and over dramatizes everything
So the news here in Brazil maybe is just these over dramatizes from there... makes sense.