Donald Trump is the 45th president of America

Started by Legend, Nov 09, 2016, 07:41 AM

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the-pi-guy

Quote from: Max King of the Wild on Nov 09, 2016, 04:01 PMTolerant party isn't so tolerant after all

There's been a large increase in Nazi like parties in the past year.  10x increase in large part because of Trump's rhetoric.

Voting for Trump   doesn't make you a racist, but it's clear he's empowering them at least accidentally
Racism isn't gone because we had a black president.  

Max King of the Wild

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Quote from: the-Pi-guy on Nov 09, 2016, 04:37 PMThere's been a large increase in Nazi like parties in the past year.  10x increase in large part because of Trump's rhetoric.

Voting for Trump   doesn't make you a racist, but it's clear he's empowering them at least accidentally
Racism isn't gone because we had a black president.  
Eh, no. And that type of mentality will get your party in trouble. It'd be easier to vote white 8 years ago than it is today. If racism was a driving factor in this election, with two white candidates, then it should have been a bigger part 8 years ago with a black nominee. Palin was just so dang unlikable much like Hillary is. That was the deciding factor.

Quote from: kitler53 on Nov 09, 2016, 02:46 PMis there a place i can watch his acceptance speach?
Don't know. I was driving home from work when he delivered it though. He congratulated Hillary. Said we need to come together (I think he read the teleprompter wrong. Think he meant to get her.) thanked everyone for their support.

SWORDF1SH

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Trump today, Kanye in 4 years!

DerNebel

Quote from: Max King of the Wild on Nov 09, 2016, 04:42 PMEh, no. And that type of mentality will get your party in trouble. It'd be easier to vote white 8 years ago than it is today. If racism was a driving factor in this election, with two white candidates, then it should have been a bigger part 8 years ago with a black nominee. Palin was just so dang unlikable much like Hillary is. That was the deciding factor.
Dude, don't be dense. Racism is a much more pronounced problem today, than it was 8 years ago because there are much more immediate "justifications" happening in the world right now, that lead to the development and open expression of racism. Why do you think so many right wing parties have been gaining ground across all of Europe? ISIS and the refugee crisis (and in the US you can probably add things like the Blacklivesmatter movement to that list) have done wonders in waking up racism and bringing it back into the spotlight again in the western world.

I can only speak from my experience here in Germany, but through the jobs I've done next to University over the last couple years, most of which were pretty menial, I have absolutely had the displeasure of finding out that in many of these circles here racism is a completely accepted thing nowadays.

Aura7541

Quote from: DerNebel on Nov 09, 2016, 05:13 PMDude, don't be dense. Racism is a much more pronounced problem today, than it was 8 years ago because there are much more immediate "justifications" happening in the world right now, that lead to the development and open expression of racism. Why do you think so many right wing parties have been gaining ground across all of Europe? ISIS and the refugee crisis (and in the US you can probably add things like the Blacklivesmatter movement to that list) have done wonders in waking up racism and bringing it back into the spotlight again in the western world.

I can only speak from my experience here in Germany, but through the jobs I've done next to University over the last couple years, most of which were pretty menial, I have absolutely had the displeasure of finding out that in many of these circles here racism is a completely accepted thing nowadays.

Eh, the handling of the refugee crisis and BlackLivesMatter actually made the racism problem worse because a lot of far leftists continuously cry wolf that is "racism".

You are skeptical of how Merkel handled the refugee crisis? You're an anti-immigration racist Islamophobe.

You don't like how BlackLivesMatter behaves after a black person gets shot by an officer before all the facts are gathered? You're a white supremacist and if you're black, you're an Uncle Tom or a coon.

It's the constant conflation of dissent as racism that puts a lot of people off, including me who is not even part of the right. If the left parties really don't want the right wing parties to rise, then they need to stop doing what I have described.

Legend


DerNebel

Quote from: Aura7541 on Nov 09, 2016, 05:26 PMEh, the handling of the refugee crisis and BlackLivesMatter actually made the racism problem worse because a lot of far leftists continuously cry wolf that is "racism".

You are skeptical of how Merkel handled the refugee crisis? You're an anti-immigration racist Islamophobe.

You don't like how BlackLivesMatter behaves after a black person gets shot by an officer before all the facts are gathered? You're a white supremacist and if you're black, you're an Uncle Tom or a coon.

It's the constant conflation of dissent as racism that puts a lot of people off, including me who is not even part of the right. If the left parties really don't want the right wing parties to rise, then they need to stop doing what I have described.
After sitting in on a break conversation on a construction side earlier this year, that revolved around how to best get rid of the refugees, with the result being to kill them all, I'm absolutely convinced that there's a significant group that is not just "worried" or "skeptical".

I'm absolutely sure that there are many people that are just afraid and worried because of all of this, but there are also many for whom expressing their "concern" over the handling of the refugee crisis really is nothing but a thin veil to hide their racism behind.

the-pi-guy

Quote from: Max King of the Wild on Nov 09, 2016, 04:42 PMEh, no. And that type of mentality will get your party in trouble. It'd be easier to vote white 8 years ago than it is today. If racism was a driving factor in this election, with two white candidates, then it should have been a bigger part 8 years ago with a black nominee. Palin was just so dang unlikable much like Hillary is. That was the deciding factor.
Eh, yes.  
It was a big deal 8 years ago.  "Mr. Obama wasn't born in the US.  He's clearly from Kenya.  Where's the birth certificate?"  It's a much bigger deal today, because tensions are so much higher.  People don't like BLM, they don't like Refugees, and they never liked immigrants.  And a lot of people are very happy to finally find a candidate who will loudly scream their dislike with them.  
Neither candidate is likeable.  Trump is slightly even more unlikeable than she is, yet he won despite that.  


Quote from: Aura7541 on Nov 09, 2016, 05:26 PMEh, the handling of the refugee crisis and BlackLivesMatter actually made the racism problem worse because a lot of far leftists continuously cry wolf that is "racism".
You are skeptical of how Merkel handled the refugee crisis? You're an anti-immigration racist Islamophobe.

You don't like how BlackLivesMatter behaves after a black person gets shot by an officer before all the facts are gathered? You're a white supremacist and if you're black, you're an Uncle Tom or a coon.  It's the constant conflation of dissent as racism that puts a lot of people off, including me who is not even part of the right. If the left parties really don't want the right wing parties to rise, then they need to stop doing what I have described.
You are both right frankly.  

Liberals need to stop saying every little thing happens because of racism, I agree with you on that.  That doesn't mean racism isn't an issue, it doesn't mean it's not a bigger issue.  I have right-wing family members who have even admitted they were racist.  There is a whole movement right now going on about white supremacists, and they think Trump is on their side.  It doesn't matter if he actually is, they are convinced he is, and have seen a large following this year in large part because of him.  
He was running for president on fear.  
We can't let the refugees in because they could be terrorists, we have to keep an eye on Muslims, because they could be terrorists.  We have to build a wall because Mexicans will come to rape your families.  

Despite the fact that pretty much all of that is bogus, it doesn't stop people from thinking he's legitimate.  

nnodley

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Quote from: Legend on Nov 09, 2016, 08:06 AMI was impressed by his victory speech. Not his normal talk.
Yep I was too.  He seemed super eager to really try and unify.  I have always thought he knew what he had to do to get those backwater and white privileged males(the ones who don't care) to go and vote for him.  And it worked for him.  Now I expect him to start leaning back more towards democrat since he used to be a democrat up until 2012.  Him being republican was mostly a show I think. 

I do think the idea of some people already having their minds made up that he is just gonna be downright horrible and it's gonna be a dictatorship are way to early.  Give him the benefit of the doubt at least.  I'm cautiously optimistic that it could go either way for him.

An yeah I agree he will probably just have other people do most of the work and he won't do much.

darkknightkryta

Quote from: nnodley on Nov 09, 2016, 06:21 PMYep I was too.  He seemed super eager to really try and unify.  I have always thought he knew what he had to do to get those backwater and white privileged males(the ones who don't care) to go and vote for him.  And it worked for him.  Now I expect him to start leaning back more towards democrat since he used to be a democrat up until 2012.  Him being republican was mostly a show I think.  

I do think the idea of some people already having their minds made up that he is just gonna be downright horrible and it's gonna be a dictatorship are way to early.  Give him the benefit of the doubt at least.  I'm cautiously optimistic that it could go either way for him.

An yeah I agree he will probably just have other people do most of the work and he won't do much.
Isn't the catch 20 that the president doesn't really have power in the country, but the house does?

nnodley

Quote from: darkknightkryta on Nov 09, 2016, 06:31 PMIsn't the catch 20 that the president doesn't really have power in the country, but the house does?
Yeah, you have the three branches that are suppose to be checks and balances and keeps the president from having too much power. However now republicans have control of all three(i think) so they can do a lot of things they would want to do.   Not many republicans like Trump so I can see Trump not getting much done.

Max King of the Wild

Quote from: nnodley on Nov 09, 2016, 06:51 PMYeah, you have the three branches that are suppose to be checks and balances and keeps the president from having too much power. However now republicans have control of all three(i think) so they can do a lot of things they would want to do.   Not many republicans like Trump so I can see Trump not getting much done.
And 2018 more democratic seats in Republican territories are up... So expect more Republican control in 2 years. New conservative judge on the SC and probably another replaced within 4 years

kitler53

Quote from: the-Pi-guy on Nov 09, 2016, 06:13 PMEh, yes.  
It was a big deal 8 years ago.  "Mr. Obama wasn't born in the US.  He's clearly from Kenya.  Where's the birth certificate?"  It's a much bigger deal today, because tensions are so much higher.  People don't like BLM, they don't like Refugees, and they never liked immigrants.  And a lot of people are very happy to finally find a candidate who will loudly scream their dislike with them.  
Neither candidate is likeable.  Trump is slightly even more unlikeable than she is, yet he won despite that.  

You are both right frankly.  

Liberals need to stop saying every little thing happens because of racism, I agree with you on that.  That doesn't mean racism isn't an issue, it doesn't mean it's not a bigger issue.  I have right-wing family members who have even admitted they were racist.  There is a whole movement right now going on about white supremacists, and they think Trump is on their side.  It doesn't matter if he actually is, they are convinced he is, and have seen a large following this year in large part because of him.  
He was running for president on fear.  
We can't let the refugees in because they could be terrorists, we have to keep an eye on Muslims, because they could be terrorists.  We have to build a wall because Mexicans will come to rape your families.  

Despite the fact that pretty much all of that is bogus, it doesn't stop people from thinking he's legitimate.  
all i can think about is what my dad said to me:

"i'm not racist and just don't want any niggers in my neighboorhood."
         

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Aura7541


Legend

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Protests in California. Seem non violent at least.

Edt: tons of places too.