Will Trump be the next US president?

[the-pi-guy]

Bernies just a cranky old dude who thinks people like to pay for others college.

Uh huh.  

[the-pi-guy]

When Kasich's adviser asked how this would be the case, Donald Jr. explained that his father's vice president would be in charge of domestic and foreign policy.

Then what, the adviser asked, would Trump be in charge of?

"Making America great again" was the casual reply.

Donald Trump Reportedly Plans to Delegate All Domestic and Foreign Power to his VP | Mother Jones

[Legend]

Entirely debatable.

Uh huh.  

We get it, you like Bernie  

[Xevross]

Uh huh.  

You support a free college idea?

[the-pi-guy]

You support a free college idea?

I do.  I consider university and places like NASA to be incredibly important.
University is basically the new high school except incredibly expensive. 
I just don't think it's ridiculous as an expense because we already spend 8x more on military. 

[Xevross]

I do.  I consider university and places like NASA to be incredibly important.
University is basically the new high school except incredibly expensive.  
I just don't think it's ridiculous as an expense because we already spend 8x more on military.  

Well I consider them very important too which is why I think free places would be a bad idea. The government would then be forced to fund Universities/ Colleges and with the budget deficits they have they wouldn't be giving them the money they need. I think research and teaching quality would drop significantly.

[the-pi-guy]

Well I consider them very important too which is why I think free places would be a bad idea. The government would then be forced to fund Universities/ Colleges and with the budget deficits they have they wouldn't be giving them the money they need. I think research and teaching quality would drop significantly.

Private schools will always be able to charge whatever they want, and those are the schools that do most of the research.  Plenty of people do still go to private schools because those are worth it.  Research and teaching is not likely to take a hit.  

I'd like the debt to be gone or very close, and it should be a priority to eliminate it; but at some point I think it would be advantageous for public universities to be covered.  

[Aura7541]

Well I consider them very important too which is why I think free places would be a bad idea. The government would then be forced to fund Universities/ Colleges and with the budget deficits they have they wouldn't be giving them the money they need. I think research and teaching quality would drop significantly.

I think a better idea is for the government to offer more scholarship money to students who perform well academically and do plenty of extracurricular activities. It gives incentives for students to work hard and in reward, they get a much reduced tuition for college. Technically, this is already happening, but I would like for it to happen more often.

[Raven]

I think a better idea is for the government to offer more scholarship money to students who perform well academically and do plenty of extracurricular activities. It gives incentives for students to work hard and in reward, they get a much reduced tuition for college. Technically, this is already happening, but I would like for it to happen more often.

Exactly. Better ways to go about doing this than hiking taxes so Billy Jean can just barely get a degree in psychology that she'll never use and end up flipping burgers at McDonald's.

Universal Healthcare has much stronger arguments for its implementation than free college tuition paid for by tax payers.

[the-pi-guy]

Exactly. Better ways to go about doing this than hiking taxes so Billy Jean can just barely get a degree in psychology that she'll never use and end up flipping burgers at McDonald's.

Universal Healthcare has much stronger arguments for its implementation than free college tuition paid for by tax payers.

The issue I have with that though is Billy Jean is already getting her psychology degree by taking out 1000's of dollars in loans from the government, and at the end of it she won't be able to pay it with her McDonald's job.  
Multiply Billy Jeans situation by a lot, and come to a US where 40% of graduates are either not paying off their debt or unable to. This while there is well over $1 trillion dollars in debt for just students.  

[Mmm_fish_tacos]

I want to see free skill trade classes over free collage. In many cases a skilled trade is more valuable than a throw away degree. And it should be on the college level to stop shaming degrees. Which leads to millions of people with debt they can't pay and a job they'll never get.

[the-pi-guy]

I want to see free skill trade classes over free collage. In many cases a skilled trade is more valuable than a throw away degree. And it should be on the college level to stop shaming degrees. Which leads to millions of people with debt they can't pay and a job they'll never get.

And that would be fantastic.  
Or at least vet the students and ask them what they really plan to do with their degree.  

"You're getting a woman's studies degree and you have absolutely no plan for it; yeah find something else."
"You're getting a woman's studies degree and you're planning a PhD in the subject?  Welcome aboard, woman are weird and mysterious, we need people like you to figure them out.  I wish you luck."

[Raven]

The issue I have with that though is Billy Jean is already getting her psychology degree by taking out 1000's of dollars in loans from the government, and at the end of it she won't be able to pay it with her McDonald's job.  
Multiply Billy Jeans situation by a lot, and come to a US where 40% of graduates are either not paying off their debt or unable to. This while there is well over $1 trillion dollars in debt for just students.  

My friend went to school for graphic design. Was in debt for several tens of thousands. Paid it all back over the years. Never did anything with it. I'm not up for tax money being spent that way.

Billie Jean should have never received such significant government loans to go to school. Especially if her field of study is psychology. A flooded field of study. Billie Jean should have first proven she was worth being helped with her debt or she shouldn't have risked it in the first place. She made a choice of risk/reward. This isn't medical care like everyone needs. It's an attempt to improve your value so you can climb the class ladder.

No one should get free college for going to school for something that is purely about improving their own personal wealth or something lIke gender studies. You want my tax money? Go to school for something that will improve human society and we'll talk about how much of your debt you deserve to be forgiven on based on your performance. I'm not going to be forced to pay for someone to major in philosophy so they can get the only job that qualifies them for. Teaching philosophy.

I want to see free skill trade classes over free collage. In many cases a skilled trade is more valuable than a throw away degree. And it should be on the college level to stop shaming degrees. Which leads to millions of people with debt they can't pay and a job they'll never get.

But Tacos! Underwater basket weaving, the history of the patriarchy, and the deep literary ramifications of the Twilight novels are just as legit fields of study as nuclear engineering, genetics, and computer science!

[Legend]

K-12 education should get increased funding and "beefed" up imo. That's already free so why not improve it first?

[Mmm_fish_tacos]

K-12 education should get increased funding and "beefed" up imo. That's already free so why not improve it first?

Thats what the lottery is for. Wonder where that money went.