Video Game Sales Thread

[Aquamarine]

Nah some other dude, best thing was that he said NPD leaks are too low based on Amazon rankings.

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Boutros said: Because in Bayonetta 2's case it's not probably overtracked. We know it's overtracked. Of course many games are under and overtracked on VGC but usually they get adjusted according to the information we have. So games which we have no official or leaked numbers can't be randomly changed. But we know Bayonetta 2 is 182k as of November 28th 2015 in the US according to NPD. VGC has it at nearly 500k at the same point in time. That's 300k overtracked in a single territory or 275% lol

But that's not original source NPD data - that's NeoGaf claiming to have NPD data. It could be real, or could be made up and not what NPD really has on file. And as good as NPD can be, they can and will at times be wrong.

Fact: Bayo 2 hit #9 for Amazon monthly October 2014, behind only Smash 3DS, CoD, and PSN giftcards. (Ahead of Shadow of Mordor! Halo!) Only selling 180k seems a bit far-fetched - even if Amazon isn't 100% representative of all game-buying, correct?

This is fundamentally ridiculous. NPD is never "wrong." 95% of their numbers are sourced directly from point-of-sale feeds from all of the major brick-and-mortar and online retailers. You can't be "wrong" when your data is comprised of actual sales receipts from the market.

Amazon is the go-to place for niche sales. Titles that proliferate on Amazon often flounder at more established retail venues like Walmart and Best Buy.

It is not a reliable indicator of NPD software sales rankings for that reason. Not to mention, there are many reasons why a random legacy title could have jumped up in the rankings. It's certainly not indicative of any trend or NPD inaccuracy.

[DerNebel]

This is fundamentally ridiculous. NPD is never "wrong." 95% of their numbers are sourced directly from point-of-sale feeds from all of the major brick-and-mortar and online retailers. You can't be "wrong" when your data is comprised of actual sales receipts from the market.

Amazon is the go-to place for niche sales. Titles that proliferate on Amazon often flounder at more established retail venues like Walmart and Best Buy.

It is not a reliable indicator of NPD software sales rankings for that reason. Not to mention, there are many reasons why a random legacy title could have jumped up in the rankings. It's certainly not indicative of any trend or NPD inaccuracy.

I don't think he's necessarily questioning NPD as much as he's questioning the legitimacy of the leaks, still stupid since these people questioning NPD leaks only ever pop up when the leaks show something lower than they want it to be. The Nintendo fanboys on vgchartz (and elsewhere) have wanted Bayonetta 2 to be a success for ages, as a way to prove that third party games for a mature audience can sell on the Wii U, the game selling a 500k in the US works way better as an argument for that than the game selling less than 200k over there.

[ethomaz]

Germany Charts Week 17 sneak peek:
1) R&C
2) Dark Souls 3 (PS4)
3) CoD (PS4)

The article is mostly about Yo-Kai debut in top 10 (maybe even 4th?)

[Cute Pikachu]

You got any if them xcx numbers aqua last i heard its at 235k?

I commented on charts, i think its 500-600k worldwide due to the smash promotion

[Aura7541]

Full Germany rankings are up on GAF. R&C ranked #1 for the 2nd week in a row:

NeoGAF - View Single Post -  PAL Charts - Week 17, 2016

01 (01) [PS4] RATCHET & CLANK
02 (03) [PS4] DARK SOULS III
03 (05) [PS4] CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS III
04 (08) [PS4] FIFA 16
05 (NE) [3DS] YO-KAI WATCH
06 (06) [PS4] GRAND THEFT AUTO V
07 (04) [PS4] TOM CLANCY'S THE DIVISION
08 (07) [PS4] PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER: UEFA EURO 2016
09 (14) [PS4] STAR WARS: BATTLEFRONT
10 (21) [PS4] THE WITCHER 3: WILD HUNT
11 (09) [PS4] FAR CRY: PRIMAL
12 (02) [WIU] STAR FOX ZERO
13 (10) [WIU] NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. U
14 (16) [PS4] MINECRAFT
15 (12) [PS4] TRACKMANIA TURBO
16 (15) [PS4] FALLOUT 4
17 (11) [PS4] DIRT RALLY
18 (32) [PS4] EA SPORTS UFC 2
19 (17) [PS3] PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER: UEFA EURO 2016
20 (19) [3DS] POKEMON SUPER MYSTERY DUNGEON
21 (26) [PS4] ASSASSIN'S CREED: SYNDICATE
22 (23) [PS4] DESTINY: THE TAKEN KING
23 (58) [PS4] CALL OF DUTY: GHOSTS
24 (27) [WIU] DONKEY KONG COUNTRY: TROPICAL FREEZE
25 (22) [3DS] POKEMON: OMEGA RUBY
26 (20) [PC] THE SIMS 4
27 (29) [3DS] POKEMON: ALPHA SAPPHIRE
28 (37) [PS4] NEED FOR SPEED
29 (36) [PS4] THE CREW
30 (31) [PC] FARMING SIMULATOR 15
31 (13) [PS4] UNCHARTED: THE NATHAN DRAKE COLLECTION
32 (42) [PS4] WWE 2K16
33 (46) [PS4] DIABLO III: REAPER OF SOULS
34 (40) [PS4] PLANTS VS. ZOMBIES: GARDEN WARFARE 2
35 (64) [PS4] MORTAL KOMBAT XL
36 (28) [WIU] LEGO CITY UNDERCOVER
37 (57) [PS3] FIFA 16
38 (80) [PC] STAR WARS: BATTLEFRONT
39 (53) [PS4] TOM CLANCY'S RAINBOW SIX: SIEGE
40 (45) [3DS] NEW STYLE FASHION BOUTIQUE 2: FASHION FORWARD
41 (24) [WIU] POKKEN TOURNAMENT
42 (41) [PS3] MINECRAFT
43 (33) [XBO] DARK SOULS III
44 (63) [XBO] CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS III
45 (30) [WIU] THE LEGEND OF ZELDA: THE WIND WAKER HD
46 (47) [PC] FALLOUT 4
47 (61) [PS4] BATTLEFIELD 4
48 (72) [PS4] TOMB RAIDER – DEFINITIVE EDITION
49 (25) [XBO] QUANTUM BREAK
50 (59) [PS4] BATMAN: ARKHAM KNIGHT
51 (44) [PC] FARMING SIMULATOR 15 OFFICIAL ADD-ON
52 (48) [PS3] GRAND THEFT AUTO V
53 (33) [PS3] CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS II
54 (38) [3DS] MARIO KART 7
55 (18) [PC] TOM CLANCY'S THE DIVISION
56 (56) [3DS] ANIMAL CROSSING: NEW LEAF
57 (34) [3DS] HYRULE WARRIORS: LEGENDS
58 (55) [3DS] MARIO AND SONIC AT THE OLYMPIC GAMES: RIO 2016
59 (50) [WIU] THE LEGEND OF ZELDA: TWILIGHT PRINCESS HD
60 (39) [XBO] TOM CLANCY'S THE DIVISION
61 (77) [PS4] CALL OF DUTY: ADVANCED WARFARE
62 (49) [3DS] NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. 2
63 (52) [PC] THE ELDER SCROLLS V: SKYRIM
64 (67) [PC] DIABLO III: REAPER OF SOULS
65 (66) [PS4] METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN
66 (69) [PC] GRAND THEFT AUTO V
67 (74) [3DS] STORY OF SEASONS
68 (85) [PS4] JUST CAUSE 3
69 (96) [XBO] GRAND THEFT AUTO V
70 (68) [PC] BATTLEFIELD 4
71 (62) [PC] DRAGON AGE: INQUISITION
72 (35) [PC] DARK SOULS III
73 (93) [PS4] RAYMAN LEGENDS
74 (91) [PS3] CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS III
75 (75) [PC] DIABLO III
76 (73) [3DS] POKEMON X
77 (__) [XBO] STAR WARS BATTLEFRONT
78 (76) [3DS] MARIO PARTY: ISLAND TOUR
79 (97) [PC] NEED FOR SPEED
80 (92) [PS4] ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG
81 (89) [PS4] THE HEAVY RAIN & BEYONG: TWO SOULS COLLECTION
82 (99) [PS4] NEED FOR SPEED: RIVALS
83 (70) [3DS] THE LEGEND OF ZELDA: A LINK BETWEEN WORLDS
84 (84) [360] MINECRAFT
85 (54) [PC] FAR CRY: PRIMAL
86 (98) [PS4] NBA 2K16
87 (88) [3DS] TOMODACHI LIFE
88 (__) [PS3] FIFA 15
89 (__) [PS4] THE EVIL WITHIN
90 (100) [PS3] BATTLEFIELD 4
91 (90) [3DS] YOSHI'S NEW ISLAND
92 (95) [WIU] SUPER MARIO MAKER
93 (83) [PC] WOLFENSTEIN: THE NEW ORDER
94 (87) [WII] NEW SUPER MARIO BROS.
95 (__) [PC] THE WITCHER 3 – WILD HUNT
96 (__) [XBO] FIFA 16
97 (__) [PS4] FINAL FANTASY X/X-2 HD REMASTER
98 (__) [PS4] WATCH_DOGS
99 (__) [PC] XCOM 2
100 (__) [PS4] RESIDENT EVIL: ORIGINS COLLECTION

[Legend]

Ratchet is doing so much better than I expected. YAY!

[Kerotan]

With this performance for Ratchet Sony will almost surely greenlight a bigger budget for Ratchet and clank 2. And considering it's a re-imagining like the first it's almost guaranteed to be excellent.

My next step with the series will be replaying the ps3 games.

[Aquamarine]

You got any if them xcx numbers aqua last i heard its at 235k?

I commented on charts, i think its 500-600k worldwide due to the smash promotion

Yeah, as of February 2016 NPD. Xenoblade Chronicles X sold something like 25K in the January report after 200K in December (can't recall the exact number off the top of my head, but it's something like that). So you can see the title is slowing down in the retail market. Its legs are weak at best...it didn't magically rebound in March, either.

Despite Nintendo's grand ambitions for the title...it's just not a blockbuster. You can thank Wii U's malaise for that, as well as an accelerating YOY migration to digital.

I don't think he's necessarily questioning NPD as much as he's questioning the legitimacy of the leaks, still stupid since these people questioning NPD leaks only ever pop up when the leaks show something lower than they want it to be. The Nintendo fanboys on vgchartz (and elsewhere) have wanted Bayonetta 2 to be a success for ages, as a way to prove that third party games for a mature audience can sell on the Wii U, the game selling a 500k in the US works way better as an argument for that than the game selling less than 200k over there.

Nah, he's questioning NPD's accuracy. He replied with this nonsense:

You totally misunderstand NPD's methodology. They don't aggregate every single transaction from POS data. They build statistical models to provide estimates. They sample, and extrapolate - but there are characteristics of Bayo 2 to which NPD can very easily over-normalize inputs in providing an accurate estimate (e.g. being a mature WiiU title, the low install base, poor Japan sales, the publisher's previous release: TW101).

Add the noise of the NPD data being handed down not by NPD itself, but by a forum with only a little more credibility than VGC and you can see why I remain skeptical.

The top 10 - 20 retail titles for Amazon monthly do tend to fall in a pretty similar order as NPD and largely made up of mainstream titles. While niche titles do top the the hourly, the monthly/yearly figures do end up closely resembling  NPD.

The truth is that Bayo 2 was and still is yet a a leading piece of the gaming mindshare. It's now a highly valued IP to the dedicated army of Nintendo fans that show up for 1st party releases. To say it's sold less than 200k is far out of step with the game's prominence and vibrant community. 700k+ WW is way more believable.

I responded with this:

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[Aura7541]

Nah, he's questioning NPD's accuracy. He replied with this nonsense:

I responded with this:

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It boggles my mind that some people are extremely averse to facts and empirical data. His comment on how the software rankings in Amazon's monthly charts are similar to NPD's is complete buffoonery. February and March 2015 are great counterexamples to his ridiculous claim.

[Kerotan]

That was face palm worthy on charts.  It's like "we know Bayonetta sold way less than a million but it doesn't matter because we're having our party anyway".  

The myth that Bayonetta 2 sold well on Wii U is exactly that.  A myth.  Considering the quality of the game,  the rave reviews,  the constant praise on forums,  the lack of competition from other games on the Wii U.... It sold like absolute shame.  

Which is sad.

[darkknightkryta]

That was face palm worthy on charts.  It's like "we know Bayonetta sold way less than a million but it doesn't matter because we're having our party anyway".  

The myth that Bayonetta 2 sold well on Wii U is exactly that.  A myth.  Considering the quality of the game,  the rave reviews,  the constant praise on forums,  the lack of competition from other games on the Wii U.... It sold like absolute shame.  

Which is sad.

If Mario isn't in it, it's not going to sell.  It's the sad fact.

[Dr. Pezus]

ChertZ adjusted PS4 down a bit but 3DS and WiiU are still way overtracked lol. #Classic

[Cute Pikachu]

Thank you aqua!
Continuing on 1.1 M first NPD for U4 is my prediction.

[Max King of the Wild]

ChertZ adjusted PS4 down a bit but 3DS and WiiU are still way overtracked lol. #Classic

Woah dude, how do know the Wii U is definitely overtracked?  I mean, it doesn't sell well so of course 100k in NA (this include Mexico and Canada) is reasonable even though that's indicative of extreme supply issues and Wii U is readily available at every store... But let's not mention that

Legit though, ps4 was overtracked. Hopefully ioi didn't over adjust like he's prone to do because it really wasn't by much

[ethomaz]

Australia
1 Ratchet & Clank 2016, Sony Computer Ent. (Sony)
2 Dark Souls III, Bandai Namco Games
3 Grand Theft Auto V, Rockstar Games (Take 2)
4 Tom Clancy's The Division, Ubisoft
5 Call of Duty: Black Ops III, Activision (Activision Blizzard)
6 Far Cry: Primal, Ubisoft
7 Minecraft, Microsoft
8 UFC 2, Electronic Arts
9 Star Fox Zero, Nintendo
10 FIFA 16, Electronic Arts

NZ
1 Ratchet & Clank 2016, Sony Computer Ent. (Sony)
2 Rugby Challenge 3, Tru Blu Entertainment
3 Call of Duty: Black Ops III, Activision (Activision Blizzard)
4 Grand Theft Auto V, Rockstar Games (Take 2)
5 Dark Souls III, Bandai Namco Games
6 Minecraft, Microsoft
7 Tom Clancy's The Division, Ubisoft
8 Far Cry: Primal, Ubisoft
9 NBA 2K16, 2K Sports (Take 2)
10 FIFA 16, Electronic Arts

http://www.igea.net/2016/05/top-10-g...ed-1-may-2016/