Rumor: Ps4k

[DerNebel]

when the ps4k has 60 fps and ps4 only has 30 fps on a game gamers will immediately brand it as the ps4 sku was gimped.

Yeah because gamers are morons. Someone should just preemptively start preparing a list of 60fps games on PS4 now for instances like that.

[ethomaz]

Love how some GAFers says CPU is bottleneck.

1. Devs asked for more GPU power and not CPU
2. There is no better CPU for APU on AMD tech

The best Sony could do was increase the clock.

[Legend]

Love how some GAFers says CPU is bottleneck.

1. Devs asked for more GPU power and not CPU
2. There is no better CPU for APU on AMD tech

The best Sony could do was increase the clock.

Well on standard PS4 the cpu does tend to be the bottleneck. It's why some XBO games run better.

[ethomaz]

Well on standard PS4 the cpu does tend to be the bottleneck. It's why some XBO games run better.

Run better with lower graphic setthings.

And I'm sure it was less than 10% of the game... vast majority runs better on PS4 even at high resolution.

Even 10% clock increase games runs worst on Xbox One with lower resolution.

BTW Xbox One upclock is a point that shows CPU is not being bottleneck... because if it was the games needed to run better with lower resolutions and that did not happens.

[the-pi-guy]

Love how some GAFers says CPU is bottleneck.

It's not quite a "CPU is a bottleneck" or "CPU isn't a bottleneck" situation.  It very much depends on the game.  There are be some very good benefits to having a better CPU.  

1. Devs asked for more GPU power and not CPU
2. There is no better CPU for APU on AMD tech

1. Devs almost always want as much RAM, CPU, GPU, and connecting parts as they can get there hands on.  No dev is going to say no to a faster CPU, or 1000 GB of RAM (unless it's stupidly slow), or SUPER GPU.  
2.  Just because there isn't really anything better, doesn't mean it is not a bottleneck.

Run better with lower graphic setthings.
And I'm sure it was less than 10% of the game... vast majority runs better on PS4 even at high resolution.
Even 10% clock increase games runs worst on Xbox One with lower resolution.
BTW Xbox One upclock is a point that shows CPU is not being bottleneck... because if it was the games needed to run better with lower resolutions and that did not happens.

The GPU is doing a lot more than just resolution, so it's not really as simple as pointing to the resolution of the games as well as the frame rate.  

[Mmm_fish_tacos]

NeoGAF - View Single Post -  Colin Moriarty of Kinda Funny: source says "most developers are not happy with PS4.5"

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[Dr. Pezus]

NeoGAF - View Single Post -  Colin Moriarty of Kinda Funny: source says "most developers are not happy with PS4.5"

The fudge

[DerNebel]

NeoGAF - View Single Post -  Colin Moriarty of Kinda Funny: source says "most developers are not happy with PS4.5"

I'll just repeat what I said in regards to this one reddit:

Are developers unhappy about having to make versions of their games for the PS4, Xbox One, potentially the NX and especially for the PC, which can have who knows how many different configurations?
Who knows but somehow this whole machine still works, so I'm inclined to believe that anyone that's saying a potential PS4.5 would be such a massive headache to account for is simply bullshitting, be they fans, journalists or even these devs (who, let's be real, will be small indie devs, whose games will not change much, if at all, with a stronger PS4 anyway).
Unless they fudge up the tools I simply can not imagine that making a PS4 game work on a PS4 Neo will be such a huge ordeal.

[Raven]

I'll just repeat what I said in regards to this one reddit:

Are developers unhappy about having to make versions of their games for the PS4, Xbox One, potentially the NX and especially for the PC, which can have who knows how many different configurations?
Who knows but somehow this whole machine still works, so I'm inclined to believe that anyone that's saying a potential PS4.5 would be such a massive headache to account for is simply bullshitting, be they fans, journalists or even these devs (who, let's be real, will be small indie devs, whose games will not change much, if at all, with a stronger PS4 anyway).
Unless they fudge up the tools I simply can not imagine that making a PS4 game work on a PS4 Neo will be such a huge ordeal.

I'm willing to bet the truth is more likely that SOME developers simply aren't fans of the idea, his source happened to talk to the ones who don't like it, and now it's being embellished. Let's not forget, Moriarty now has a vested interest in proving himself right.

[DerNebel]

I'm willing to bet the truth is more likely that SOME developers simply aren't fans of the idea, his source happened to talk to the ones who don't like it, and now it's being embellished. Let's not forget, Moriarty now has a vested interest in proving himself right.

I'm pretty sure the devs that he's talked to that would even honestly talk to him about this topic are nothing but a bunch of indie devs, who don't know more about the PS4 Neo or whatever than we do.

But anyway, I'm staying out of these discussions starting now, they are doing nothing but giving me a headache and until we get official confirmation on anything I don't see a reason for me to talk about this any further, added all terms connected to this whole thing to a reddit filter and am washing my hands clean of this entire ordeal for now.  

[Legend]

If this thing is real, do you guys think the horrible reaction online could cause it to be announced sooner rather than later?

[ethomaz]

If this thing is real, do you guys think the horrible reaction online could cause it to be announced sooner rather than later?

To be fair people are crying for nothing... the fear they have is not valid (I did not find the righ word here)... maybe they need to see how it will happen.

Abdiel did a really good cover for how PS4k and PS4 will live together.

NeoGAF - View Single Post -  Retail Perspective on Iterative Hardware (PS4K, Xbox1.5 etc)

With the total explosion of news we've received, after endless rumors and speculation regarding the PS4k/Neo, and the thus far rumored xbox one 2(whatever other term you'd like to pair with it for a mid-generation refresh), there's been quite a lot of commentary thrown around the boards regarding larger assumed 'trends' about buying habits in the various threads, and the sheer ignorance regarding many of these perspectives have led me to want to put some perspectives on things from a direct retail focus.
 First off, some history, before working in the gaming section, I handled Mobile, so I do have direct experience handling Tablet and Cell phone sales for several years, on that side. I will however, try to not go into endless comparisons to the Cell phone marketplace.
 First off, anyone assuming that the release of a premium model of the PS4k and so on, will suddenly lead to the normal model PS4 or XB1 going away, should never, ever talk about business/products again, because that's not how this works. Releasing a premium/high end SKU is catering to a higher end market, usually a tech-savvy market, who is willing to pay more to get more, while also giving you more market flexibility with your core product, and even allowing for it to lower in price on that.
 Also, as an aside, people complaining about Sony not offering a trade in program, I would be shocked if both our stores or Gamestop and the like were not offering special trade-up (instead of 'trade-in', ah, marketing), deals to encourage adoption for your existing hardware. Reason being, that they can then re-sell that existing hardware on their own terms, or make profit in other ways, as trade ins are extremely lucrative profit margins.
 Gaming hardware represents generally no profit margins for retailers, they're sold at cost, so getting special trade in promos to encourage them being moved and getting more product that can then be sold as pure money in the pocket back on top of any other margin add ons through things like protection plans and the like are all ways to encourage cyclical buying process. This is good for retailers. It encourages you to keep coming back, not be a static customer.
 My next comment, on "Mass Market will totally reject this! It's going to totally fail!" Who the hell are you talking to? The Mass market adopts products perceived as having value based on specific reasoning, and that is up to Sony to justify it. Thus far, they've done an incredible job of selling the value of the core PS4 model. This would represent a premium option, sharing the existing library with new possibilities, and it's on Sony to make people want it. It is not hitting the reset button on the generation midway through a generation, you're not seeing a split user-base. I know exactly how to tell a customer what the difference would be. Pay a bit more, get more out of it, but you have the exact same library, play the same games as your friends. There's nothing lost for the existing market.
 And most of those customers won't even care that there's a premium model *on* the market! They will see that a more costly model came out and ask why people would bother to pay more, even if it gives slightly prettier graphics. It's not going to matter, because the primary justification for most customers in the market, is the core balance of price and the fact that the games are coming to both.
 A few of my regular customers have already talked with me about the rumors, and then the news today, and the general feeling from those that are savvy enough to be perusing sites and know about stuff like this is interest to see where it goes. There's very likely not going to be any push to try and replace the main SKU with this model, but it will be presented as the more 'awesome' model, perhaps, again, Marketing.
 I had originally planned to wait til we had a bit more in the mill regarding the other hardware providers, but with how this was getting out of hand, I wanted to put some perspective from what we see here, on a daily basis.
 

[Legend]

To be fair people are crying for nothing... the fear they have is not valid (I did not find the righ word here)... maybe they need to see how it will happen.

Abdiel did a really good cover for how PS4k and PS4 will live together.

NeoGAF - View Single Post -  Retail Perspective on Iterative Hardware (PS4K, Xbox1.5 etc)

It doesn't matter if the complaints are valid, since all we have is he said she said. Until Sony officially clarifies what's happening, people will freak out about the worst case possibilities.


I mostly disagree with Abdiel. If this is a cellphone like upgrade then I think the mass market would reject it at least initially. New owners who currently lack a PS4 will be free to choose the lower spec system, but current owners will mostly feel cheated.

[ethomaz]

It doesn't matter if the complaints are valid, since all we have is he said she said. Until Sony officially clarifies what's happening, people will freak out about the worst case possibilities.


I mostly disagree with Abdiel. If this is a cellphone like upgrade then I think the mass market would reject it at least initially. New owners who currently lack a PS4 will be free to choose the lower spec system, but current owners will mostly feel cheated.

Why?

Games will run fine in your PS4... you are not losing any gaming experience.
And if you chose to migrate then you can use a trade in deal.
It is a option.

PS4 sales will continue being high than PS4k because both will play the same games and most consumers will choose the cheaper version.

Userbase split won't happen.

[Legend]

Why?

Games will run fine in your PS4... you are not losing any gaming experience.
And if you chose to migrate then you can use a trade in deal.
It is a option.

PS4 sales will continue being high than PS4k because both will play the same games and most consumers will choose the cheaper version.

Userbase split won't happen.

I'm assuming the worst case scenario here, where PS4K has all the games running in much higher PC graphics.

Games on my current PS4 still run fine, but to me and imo most early adopters it'd feel like Sony tricked us into buying the worse PS4. Every other mid gen refresh in PlayStation history has been expanding the market by either making things cheaper or adding features. This hypothetical PS4k however is just the launch unit adjusted to 2016.

Hardware wise it's exactly what the PS5 would be if it launched this year, and that'd be a freaking short generation!

Only thing stopping the PS4K from acting like a PS5 is Sony's policies. These leaks show those policies are pretty stringent, but some of the problems are unavoidable. PS4 versions of games will relatively become a lot worse as developers put less focus on them just like last gen ports. The line of thinking is "if the PS4 owner cared that much about performance, they'd be playing on PS4k." Online multiplayer would also become problematic as 30fps players face off against 60fps players. Same goes for games that drop features on the standard PS4 since they are too graphically demanding.

Nothing world ending, but it's still considerably worse for OG PS4 owners than if PS4K didn't exist.



Trade in deals apply to everything and don't make the upgrade free. Makes this hypothetical PS4K easier to swallow, but not a better situation.

I agree that for the time being most will choose the cheaper system, but software sales could rapidly migrate to the PS4K. People buying the high end system probably buy more games.

Userbase won't split at least, thank god for that.