PC Community Thread

[Mmm_fish_tacos]

You're right.  But like I said, Intel reached their limit.  This happened before in the ghz race.  AMD's Athlon at 2ghz was outperforming Intel's 4ghz processors.  Intel is reaching their limit of what they can do with a die shrink.  Let's hope Zen can catch up and price intel back into competition.

I think they'll finally catch up this time. Lets see if they can beat them on price, and hopefully MB manufacturer put out a decent amount of boards for it. That's another issue with going AMD. Low selection.

[the-pi-guy]

Tamron in the welcome thread was mentioning skylake is bad.  My personal thoughts?  Intel reached their limit.  I personally think Intel should scale back to 4 cores and try bringing each core clocked to 5ghz.

There's a reason why CPUs are going for more cores instead of just getting higher and higher hertz.  
Synchronization becomes difficult, and energy consumption rises, and the CPUs get very hot.  That's one big reason why we have multicore.  

Tamron said they were fragile.  Not bad.  They're very good CPU's.  

[the-pi-guy]

I think it's only a 6 or 8 percent gain over Haswell. I really don't see the point in them releasing something with such little improvement.

It might make sense if you need a computer anyway to start with skylake but if you on Haswell the gain isn't worth the expense.

I think part of the problem is they lack completion and it doesn't look to be getting any better on that front.

A buy out by MS would be the best thing that could happen to AMD and the industry.

Intel basically works in 2 phases.  "Tick" "Tock"  
The first phase, they release basically brand new stuff.  
The second phase, they just refine it a little.  Not usually going to get big improvements with the second one.  

[the-pi-guy]

You're right.  But like I said, Intel reached their limit.  This happened before in the ghz race.  AMD's Athlon at 2ghz was outperforming Intel's 4ghz processors.  Intel is reaching their limit of what they can do with a die shrink.  Let's hope Zen can catch up and price intel back into competition.

Intel had a big step back with the Pentium 4's.  I don't think it's a matter of they reached their limit.  They made a bad design, that was worse than their old design.

The Pentium 3's for example were supposed to be more than 30% faster than the Pentium 4 clock for clock.  
If I recall correctly, the newer CPUs, all the i3's, i5's, etc, were based on the Pentium 3.  

[darkknightkryta]

Intel had a big step back with the Pentium 4's.  I don't think it's a matter of they reached their limit.  They made a bad design, that was worse than their old design.

The Pentium 3's for example were supposed to be more than 30% faster than the Pentium 4 clock for clock.  
If I recall correctly, the newer CPUs, all the i3's, i5's, etc, were based on the Pentium 3.  

Pentium M, which are based on the Pentium 3.  The point I was trying to make was that they sacrificed IPC for ghz.  They also reached the limit at the time.

There's a reason why CPUs are going for more cores instead of just getting higher and higher hertz.  
Synchronization becomes difficult, and energy consumption rises, and the CPUs get very hot.  That's one big reason why we have multicore.  

Tamron said they were fragile.  Not bad.  They're very good CPU's.  

I know very well why more cores vs higher clocks.  The problem is that multicore isn't a silver bullet.  It hasn't been for 7 years and it's never going to be.

[Legend]

Another expansion. Might buy this one, I love snow!

[the-pi-guy]

They also reached the limit at the time.I know very well why more cores vs higher clocks.  The problem is that multicore isn't a silver bullet.  It hasn't been for 7 years and it's never going to be.

Don't think higher clockrate is going to help either.  
Threading has to be utilized better.  

[darkknightkryta]

Don't think higher clockrate is going to help either.  
Threading has to be utilized better.  

It does, but it's not gonna happen.  Why do you think Sony and AMD screwed up with Cell and Bulldozer?  Their best bet is to get IPC up and clock frequency is the short term way to go.

[the-pi-guy]

It does, but it's not gonna happen.  Why do you think Sony and AMD screwed up with Cell and Bulldozer?  Their best bet is to get IPC up and clock frequency is the short term way to go.

There's not that much room for higher clock.  

[darkknightkryta]

There's not that much room for higher clock.  

That's what R & D is for .

[the-pi-guy]

That's what R & D is for .

Cost going into researching cooling systems and costs for consumers for powering said systems.  

Multicore is a much better route to go. Developers need to jump on board with it.  

[darkknightkryta]

Cost going into researching cooling systems and costs for consumers for powering said systems.  

Multicore is a much better route to go. Developers need to jump on board with it.  

Like I said, 8 years later and we're not much farther.  Plus you get scaling issues with larger core counts.  Plus that type of programming is better off on a GPU.  I personally don't understand why Intel or AMD don't feed assembly calls into the embedded gpus.

[BasilZero]

A lot of F bombs and a naughtiness scene in DmC Devil May Cry.

I had to lower the volume.......l0l

[darkknightkryta]

A lot of F bombs and a naughtiness scene in DmC Devil May Cry.

I had to lower the volume.......l0l

Yeah.  For all the "Devil May Cry is gay" bashing Ninja Theory did, they have no idea what "cool" is...

[BasilZero]

Yeah.  For all the "Devil May Cry is gay" bashing Ninja Theory did, they have no idea what "cool" is...

Besides that I'm enjoying the game ;(!