The VR thread. U R Not red(e) Oculus Quest announced $399: Vive $599!

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Started by Mmm_fish_tacos, Sep 05, 2015, 06:10 PM

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How sick of Pi's VR hype are you?

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<br>To be perfectly clear, we don't make money on the Rift. The Xbox controller costs us almost nothing to bundle, and people can easily resell it for profit. A lot of people wish we would sell a bundle without "useless extras" like high-end audio, a carrying case, the bundled games, etc, but those just don't significantly impact the cost. The core technology in the Rift is the main driver - two built-for-VR OLED displays with very high refresh rate and pixel density, a very precise tracking system, mechanical adjustment systems that must be lightweight, durable, and precise, and cutting-edge optics that are more complex to manufacture than many high end DSLR lenses. It is expensive, but for the $599 you spend, you get a lot more than spending $599 on pretty much any other consumer electronics devices - phones that cost $599 cost a fraction of that to make, same with mid-range TVs that cost $599. There are a lot of mainstream devices in that price-range, so as you have said, our failing was in communication, not just price.<br><br>&quot;In what &#39;ballpark&#39; can we expect Touch&#39;s price to be?&quot;<br>No more ballparks for now. I have learned my lesson.<br>&quot;How many games can we expect to have available to us by years end?&quot;<br>At least 100 - Over 20 Oculus Studios titles, many more 3rd party titles.<br><br><br><br>No, I have thick calluses on my hands from wielding tools in the lab. Real tools, not power tools.<br><br>We announced that we will have retail partners today, more info soon! Demos are important.<br><br>Kickstarter backer shipments will be shipping in March. They will indeed have the same place in line for Touch, along with the other pre-order bonuses.<br>We will not be artificially restricting use of computers. Not my style. Some apps will run on lower spec machines, especially things like movie apps, but we can&#39;t officially support that, especially since many low end cards are physically unable to output the framerate and resolution required for the hardware to operate.<br><br><span class="bbc_bold">We could have shipped something along the lines of DK2, but I really don&#39;t think it would have been good enough to kickstart the consumer VR industry, especially in the long run. It would also cost more than people think - Shipping a real consumer product is more complex than janking out a dev kit, even something nearly identical to DK2 would have ended up costing $400+, and the all-in investment including a PC would still be around $1300, not enough to make the jump from enthusiast to mainstream.(No exact numbers, not done this cost analysis exercise in a long time</span><br><br>We are basically in the XKCD standards comic scenario, at least for now. We have been building our SDK for years, and it is currently the best one out there (IMO) - getting our own product out the door is our current priority, we will look at other headsets if and when they hit the market. There are several efforts to create a standard for VR games, all of which work different, some of which are controlled by a single company.<br><br><img src="https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png" alt="" class="bbc_img"><br><br>Continue working with GPU and CPU manufacturers to optimize for VR, thus reducing the required hardware cost. Use economies of scale and the passage of time to reduce the cost of good enough PC hardware. For the average person, the PC is by far the biggest cost, not the headset - the end goal is to make sure people can use the PC they already have in most cases.<br><br>I can&#39;t comment on price speculation, but I think the Rift is the best headset with the best content and the best long-term support.<br><br><br>IKindaLikeYouLolSike: <br>Will you have naughtiness with me?<br>palmerluckey<br>Yes.<br><br>palmerluckey<br>I don&#39;t remember writing this.<br><br>