XBOX COMMUNITY!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Raven]

It's happening. I'm telling you. Microsoft is making the moves. They are slowly making their console business fade away. It started the moment Nadella took over. The declaration that Xbox isn't important to the company. The shake ups in the division. A renewed effort towards PC gaming. Half their studios being shifted to AR and mobile development. HoloLens being their new pet project. The division being folded into others a few times now. A sharp decline in the number of new exclusives being announced for Xbox One. Look at the difference between PS4 and X1 for upcoming games:

List of Xbox One Exclusives - Gematsu

List of PS4 Exclusives - Gematsu

Even if you leave out the games not confirmed as coming West yet, the X1 is still getting demolished and Microsoft doesn't seem to be showing any signs of urgency. Nothing that makes me believe they care in the least bit that their upcoming lineup looks more barren than the Wii U's did this same time last year. Hell, the Wii U right now has more upcoming retail titles. It's only a matter of time before a consensus is reached that the Xbox One "has no games" and people avoid buying it. This is not a situation that a console brand with a bright future finds itself in. This is the situation you get from a console brand that is being strangled. Nadella has already shown that he won't hesitate to cut down a division into a shadow of itself, if not eliminate it entirely, if he feels Microsoft can't ever lead the market. Just like with Windows Phones, he's not into fighting losing battles. When this generation is over, if the Xbox division is anything more than software studios making games and applications for VR/AR, mobile, and PC then I'll be shocked.

[Legend]

It's happening. I'm telling you. Microsoft is making the moves. They are slowly making their console business fade away. It started the moment Nadella took over. The declaration that Xbox isn't important to the company. The shake ups in the division. A renewed effort towards PC gaming. Half their studios being shifted to AR and mobile development. HoloLens being their new pet project. The division being folded into others a few times now. A sharp decline in the number of new exclusives being announced for Xbox One. Look at the difference between PS4 and X1 for upcoming games:

List of Xbox One Exclusives - Gematsu

List of PS4 Exclusives - Gematsu

Even if you leave out the games not confirmed as coming West yet, the X1 is still getting demolished and Microsoft doesn't seem to be showing any signs of urgency. Nothing that makes me believe they care in the least bit that their upcoming lineup looks more barren than the Wii U's did this same time last year. heck, the Wii U right now has more upcoming retail titles. It's only a matter of time before a consensus is reached that the Xbox One "has no games" and people avoid buying it. This is not a situation that a console brand with a bright future finds itself in. This is the situation you get from a console brand that is being strangled. Nadella has already shown that he won't hesitate to cut down a division into a shadow of itself, if not eliminate it entirely, if he feels Microsoft can't ever lead the market. Just like with Windows Phones, he's not into fighting losing battles. When this generation is over, if the Xbox division is anything more than software studios making games and applications for VR/AR, mobile, and PC then I'll be shocked.

Saying XBOX lacks exclusives is pretty hyperbolic. WW definitely, but for western audiences it's not that bad.


Crackdown (Microsoft)
Gears of War 4 (Microsoft)
Halo 5: Guardians (Microsoft)
Halo Wars 2 (Microsoft)
Quantum Break (Microsoft)
Rise of the Tomb Raider (Square Enix)
Sea of Thieves (Microsoft)
Scalebound (Microsoft)

Is still a solid list.

[Mmm_fish_tacos]

Saying XBOX lacks exclusives is pretty hyperbolic. WW definitely, but for western audiences it's not that bad.


Crackdown (Microsoft)
Gears of War 4 (Microsoft)
Halo 5: Guardians (Microsoft)
Halo Wars 2 (Microsoft)
Quantum Break (Microsoft)
Rise of the Tomb Raider (Square Enix)
Sea of Thieves (Microsoft)
Scalebound (Microsoft)

Is still a solid list.

There's only 2 games on the list that really matter for MS.

[Legend]

There's only 2 games on the list that really matter for MS.

The day that Microsoft stops making Halo and Gears is the day XBOX dies.

[Mmm_fish_tacos]

The day that Microsoft stops making Halo and Gears is the day XBOX dies.

And that's exactly their problem. They spent all of last gen pumping out 3 or 4 games. They never really built a first party worth having your own console for.

[Raven]

Saying XBOX lacks exclusives is pretty hyperbolic. WW definitely, but for western audiences it's not that bad.


Crackdown (Microsoft)
Gears of War 4 (Microsoft)
Halo 5: Guardians (Microsoft)
Halo Wars 2 (Microsoft)
Quantum Break (Microsoft)
Rise of the Tomb Raider (Square Enix)
Sea of Thieves (Microsoft)
Scalebound (Microsoft)

Is still a solid list.

Hyperbolic? Not with a list that small heading into Year 3 and dang sure not in comparison to the competition. Let's not forget that two of those games, one of which is timed, will be off the list by the end of the year. Quantum Break has been on that list for well over two years now. It would have been released already if Remedy didn't drag its feet all the time. Only three of those games are being developed by Microsoft owned studios. That number drops to two starting in November. At the rate Microsoft is announcing games, Xbox owners are going to be dragging their parched bodies into E3 2017 and begging Microsoft to just announce something already. I think you and I have very different opinions on what a solid list looks like. Starting in 2016, half that list will consist of a sequel for a hit or miss franchise, a sequel to a strategy game that was decent, a goofy looking pirate game made by a studio that is a shadow of what it used to be, and a game with dragons that Microsoft is trying really hard to convince us is so cool that it will convince Japanese gamers to buy Xbox One.

[Aura7541]

It's happening. I'm telling you. Microsoft is making the moves. They are slowly making their console business fade away. It started the moment Nadella took over. The declaration that Xbox isn't important to the company. The shake ups in the division. A renewed effort towards PC gaming. Half their studios being shifted to AR and mobile development. HoloLens being their new pet project. The division being folded into others a few times now. A sharp decline in the number of new exclusives being announced for Xbox One. Look at the difference between PS4 and X1 for upcoming games:

List of Xbox One Exclusives - Gematsu

List of PS4 Exclusives - Gematsu

Even if you leave out the games not confirmed as coming West yet, the X1 is still getting demolished and Microsoft doesn't seem to be showing any signs of urgency. Nothing that makes me believe they care in the least bit that their upcoming lineup looks more barren than the Wii U's did this same time last year. Hell, the Wii U right now has more upcoming retail titles. It's only a matter of time before a consensus is reached that the Xbox One "has no games" and people avoid buying it. This is not a situation that a console brand with a bright future finds itself in. This is the situation you get from a console brand that is being strangled. Nadella has already shown that he won't hesitate to cut down a division into a shadow of itself, if not eliminate it entirely, if he feels Microsoft can't ever lead the market. Just like with Windows Phones, he's not into fighting losing battles. When this generation is over, if the Xbox division is anything more than software studios making games and applications for VR/AR, mobile, and PC then I'll be shocked.

About 3 years ago on Chartz, I said the 360 would be a one-hit wonder. Quite a bold claim back then, but it may actually come true. While the XBO had a much better start, it cannot sustain that kind of performance for the long term. The moves Microsoft did last gen that made the 360 successful can only work for one gen:

- Halo, Gears, and Forza were relatively new last gen. However, we're seeing franchise fatigue with the latter two.

- The JRPG push MS made early in the 360's lifecycle managed to persuade Square Enix to turn FFXIII into a multiplat game. It was quite a blow to Sony and the PS3. However, even though the 360 had a major userbase advantage in the US along with MS having marketing rights to FFXIII and a special edition bundle, the PS3 version still sold more. Now, we're seeing several Japanese publishers skipping the XBO with the occasional multiplat (usually more western-oriented) here and there. Square Enix, especially, has given the XBO the shaft.

- MS had a major advantage with the Xbox Live last gen. Now? Not anymore. It was quite a novelty back in the Xbox days and MS really popularized it with the 360. However, that novelty factor no longer works and PSN may have surpassed it already.

- The novelty factor also applies to the Kinect, which was responsible for the 360's second spike in sales in its lifecycle. The prospects of hand-free motion control sounded cool... until it was released. Object scanning? Nope. Milo? Lol, nope.

[Legend]

Hyperbolic? Not with a list that small heading into Year 3 and dang sure not in comparison to the competition. Let's not forget that two of those games, one of which is timed, will be off the list by the end of the year. Quantum Break has been on that list for well over two years now. It would have been released already if Remedy didn't drag its feet all the time. Only three of those games are being developed by Microsoft owned studios. That number drops to two starting in November. At the rate Microsoft is announcing games, Xbox owners are going to be dragging their parched bodies into E3 2017 and begging Microsoft to just announce something already. I think you and I have very different opinions on what a solid list looks like. Starting in 2016, half that list will consist of a sequel for a hit or miss franchise, a sequel to a strategy game that was decent, a goofy looking pirate game made by a studio that is a shadow of what it used to be, and a game with dragons that Microsoft is trying really hard to convince us is so cool that it will convince Japanese gamers to buy Xbox One.

LIST WARZ!

Let's look at 2014, 2015, and announced 2016 big exclusives from an XBOX gamer's point of view. Basically the games that the average XBOX ONE owner would care about.

XBO 2014
Titanfall
Project Spark
Forza Horizon 2
Kinect Sports Rivals
Sunset Overdrive
Halo MCC

XBO 2015
Fable Legends
Smite
Forza 6
Tomb Raider
World of Tanks
Halo 5

XBO 2016
Halo Wars 2
Sea of Thieves
Forza Horizon 3
Crackdown 3
Gears 4
Quantum Break
Scalebound

2016 is the best year to date. If you want to talk about future announcements, potential delays, and all the other problems that could manifest themselves then I totally agree with you. It's not growing as fast as the PS4's lineup. Excluding ports/remasters, it's 2014:5, 2015:5, 2016:7.

But for a Xbox One owner interested in exclusives, it's a solid year.



PS4 2014
Infamous Second Son
FF14
TLOU HD
LPB3
MLB The Show
Driveclub

PS4 2015
SOMA
Beyond 2 Souls HD
Heavy Rain HD
GOW 3 HD
MLB The Show
Bloodborne
The Order 1886
Uncharted Collection
Until Dawn

PS4 2016
Umbrella Corpse
HellBlade
MLB The Show
Dreams
GT7
Horizon Zero Dawn
Ratchet and Clank
Uncharted 4
No Man's Sky


PS4 side of things just for fun! 2014:5, 2015:5, 2016:9

[Raven]

LIST WARZ!

Let's look at 2014, 2015, and announced 2016 big exclusives from an XBOX gamer's point of view. Basically the games that the average XBOX ONE owner would care about.

XBO 2014
Titanfall
Project Spark
Forza Horizon 2
Kinect Sports Rivals
Sunset Overdrive
Halo MCC

XBO 2015
Fable Legends
Smite
Forza 6
Tomb Raider
World of Tanks
Halo 5

XBO 2016
Halo Wars 2
Sea of Thieves
Forza Horizon 3
Crackdown 3
Gears 4
Quantum Break
Scalebound

2016 is the best year to date. If you want to talk about future announcements, potential delays, and all the other problems that could manifest themselves then I totally agree with you. It's not growing as fast as the PS4's lineup. Excluding ports/remasters, it's 2014:5, 2015:5, 2016:7.

But for a Xbox One owner interested in exclusives, it's a solid year.



PS4 2014
Infamous Second Son
FF14
TLOU HD
LPB3
MLB The Show
Driveclub

PS4 2015
SOMA
Beyond 2 Souls HD
Heavy Rain HD
GOW 3 HD
MLB The Show
Bloodborne
The Order 1886
Uncharted Collection
Until Dawn

PS4 2016
Umbrella Corpse
HellBlade
MLB The Show
Dreams
GT7
Horizon Zero Dawn
Ratchet and Clank
Uncharted 4
No Man's Sky


PS4 side of things just for fun! 2014:5, 2015:5, 2016:9

You totally missed my point and your PS4 list is missing quite a few games as well.

[Legend]

You totally missed my point and your PS4 list is missing quite a few games as well.

"Basically the games that the average XBOX ONE owner would care about."

[Raven]

The point that I'm making, Legend, is that each year has seen fewer announced exclusives from Microsoft. Outside of the indie scene. Which is honestly still very small compared to Sony. This year they've announced four new games. ReCore, Gears of War 4, Sea of Thieves, and Halo Wars 2. Two of those games are from arguably fatigued franchises, one we know nothing about, and the other is from a lame studio. That's it. At a time when they should have had a lot more to reveal, that's all we got. Let me ask you this. What happens when all of those games currently on the list release next year? Woohoo! 2016 was a little better than the sparse years preceding it. But, if Microsoft doesn't have a ton of stuff next convention season to announce, where does that leave 2017 and 2018?

A question like that should not even be able to be asked before Year Two is even over yet it's a legit question when you look at the list of upcomings and consider the incredibly limited announcements we got this year. If the Xbox One was getting strong support the retail count wouldn't be about 5-to-1 like it is now, not including the games currently Japan-only. There is no reason to look at Year Three, see 6 or 7 games, and think that it's somehow good. That list of upcoming retails should be, at the very least, twice of what it is now. It's pretty hard to defend that list when it's less than what the Wii U had at around the same time. If the Xbox One is getting handfuls of games while PlayStation 4 is getting truck loads, what kind of image do you think that's going to create?

I think Microsoft's lack of announcements is indicative of a greatly scaled back effort on their part to support the platform. Though that kind of goes without saying since we know almost half their studios were set to work on non-Xbox One software. Hell, they pulled the plug on Phantom Dust after barely 6 months of actual development because they didn't want to spend any more than 5 million to revive the IP while expecting it to be a fully featured game with a 30-hour campaign AND multiplayer.

"Basically the games that the average XBOX ONE owner would care about."

If they're an Xbox One owner then who cares? They already bought the platform. We don't know the numbers on who has what tastes and what games they really want. That's all hindsight. However, the more options you offer the greater the likelihood is that you'll snag more than your competitor.

Now...

[Legend]

The point that I'm making, Legend, is that each year has seen fewer announced exclusives from Microsoft. Outside of the indie scene. Which is honestly still very small compared to Sony. This year they've announced four new games. ReCore, Gears of War 4, Sea of Thieves, and Halo Wars 2. Two of those games are from arguably fatigued franchises, one we know nothing about, and the other is from a lame studio. That's it. At a time when they should have had a lot more to reveal, that's all we got. Let me ask you this. What happens when all of those games currently on the list release next year? Woohoo! 2016 was a little better than the sparse years preceding it. But, if Microsoft doesn't have a ton of stuff next convention season to announce, where does that leave 2017 and 2018?

A question like that should not even be able to be asked before Year Two is even over yet it's a legit question when you look at the list of upcomings and consider the incredibly limited announcements we got this year. If the Xbox One was getting strong support the retail count wouldn't be about 5-to-1 like it is now, not including the games currently Japan-only. There is no reason to look at Year Three, see 6 or 7 games, and think that it's somehow good. That list of upcoming retails should be, at the very least, twice of what it is now. It's pretty hard to defend that list when it's less than what the Wii U had at around the same time. If the Xbox One is getting handfuls of games while PlayStation 4 is getting truck loads, what kind of image do you think that's going to create?

I think Microsoft's lack of announcements is indicative of a greatly scaled back effort on their part to support the platform. Though that kind of goes without saying since we know almost half their studios were set to work on non-Xbox One software. heck, they pulled the plug on Phantom Dust after barely 6 months of actual development because they didn't want to spend any more than 5 million to revive the IP while expecting it to be a fully featured game with a 30-hour campaign AND multiplayer.
If they're an Xbox One owner then who cares? They already bought the platform. We don't know the numbers on who has what tastes and what games they really want. That's all hindsight. However, the more options you offer the greater the likelihood is that you'll snag more than your competitor.

Now...

I already said I agree with you about 2017 and beyond!


But just to beat a dead horse.

2013 Announcements
Halo 5
Quantum Break
Forza 5
Ryse
Dead Rising 3
D4
Shanghaiist (cancelled)
Titanfall
Killer Instinct
Zoo Tycoon
Fighter Within
Sunset Overdrive
Project Spark
Fable Legends
Kinect Sports Rivals

2014 Announcements
Halo MCC
Gears 4
Scalebound
Phantom Dust (cancelled)
Crackdown 3
Forza Horizon 2
Tomb Raider

2015 Announcements
Sea of Thieves
Recore
Rare Replay
Halo Wars 2

2013 15, 2014 7, 2015 4. It's dropping in half each year. Next year we'll only get two game announcements


Meanwhile for Sony just cause I know you love my incomplete lists.

2013 Announcements
Killzone Shadow Fall
Knack
Infamous SS
Deep Down(vaporware)
Uncharted 4
Driveclub
Order 1886
MLB

2014 Announcements
LittleBigPlanet 3
Ratchet and Clank
Bloodborne
Street Fighter 5
Last of Us Remastered
Let It Die
Until Dawn
Wild
Tearaway Unfolded
Hellblade
MLB
Persona 5

2015 Announcements(so far)
FF7:R
Horizon Zero Dawn
Dreams
Shenmue 3
The Last Guardian
Gravity Rush HD
Gravity Rush 2
Rigs
Uncharted Collection
GOW 3 HD
Heavy Rain HD
Beyond 2 souls HD
Umbrella Corpse
Yakuza 6
MLB
King Of Fighters

2013 8, 2014 12, 2015 16+.

[Dr. Pezus]

Yup, makes sense to mask the failures of their XBOX division with windows lol

[Raven]

I already said I agree with you about 2017 and beyond!


But just to beat a dead horse.

2013 Announcements
Halo 5
Quantum Break
Forza 5
Ryse
Dead Rising 3
D4
Shanghaiist (cancelled)
Titanfall
Killer Instinct
Zoo Tycoon
Fighter Within
Sunset Overdrive
Project Spark
Fable Legends
Kinect Sports Rivals

2014 Announcements
Halo MCC
Gears 4
Scalebound
Phantom Dust (cancelled)
Crackdown 3
Forza Horizon 2
Tomb Raider

2015 Announcements
Sea of Thieves
Recore
Rare Replay
Halo Wars 2

2013 15, 2014 7, 2015 4. It's dropping in half each year. Next year we'll only get two game announcements


Meanwhile for Sony just cause I know you love my incomplete lists.

2013 Announcements
Killzone Shadow Fall
Knack
Infamous SS
Deep Down(vaporware)
Uncharted 4
Driveclub
Order 1886
MLB

2014 Announcements
LittleBigPlanet 3
Ratchet and Clank
Bloodborne
Street Fighter 5
Last of Us Remastered
Let It Die
Until Dawn
Wild
Tearaway Unfolded
Hellblade
MLB
Persona 5

2015 Announcements(so far)
FF7:R
Horizon Zero Dawn
Dreams
Shenmue 3
The Last Guardian
Gravity Rush HD
Gravity Rush 2
Rigs
Uncharted Collection
GOW 3 HD
Heavy Rain HD
Beyond 2 souls HD
Umbrella Corpse
Yakuza 6
MLB
King Of Fighters

2013 8, 2014 12, 2015 16+.

I'm just not understanding what the current available games and even those coming next year has to do with what my point was, which you seem to agree with. If your point was to say that, "Hey, Xbox One already has some exclusives worth counting" I don't really disagree with that. The problem is that people tend to care less and less about those games the further away you get from their release. That whole 'what have you done for me lately' mentality. Titanfall is a great example. It was all the rage when it released and within 6 months no one cared anymore. Making it worse is that once Titanfall 2 releases, the original will be almost entirely irrelevant and not even worth mentioning in a list war. Eventually we'll reach a point where people will acknowledge that X1 has, say, 20 or 30 games but then they'll look at PS4 which not only has more already available but more coming within 12 months AND the promise of even more down the road. That is the point in time where people will say, "Xbox One lacks exclusives".

[Raven]

Twisted Pixel is no longer a Microsoft studio. They are once again independent.

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A Lego Movie bundle? Seriously?