Pokemon Sword & Pokemon Shield Announced for Nintendo Switch, Late 2019 Release

[Xevross]

i'll never understand why people like this franchise.   

janky animations.  low rez assets. uninspired character designs. annoying music. grindy gameplay.

i think we have a guaranteed 20 million seller here...

Animations aren't janky. They might be outdated, but they still look fun and are great for kids especially.

Sure assets could be a lot better but its not like the game looks bad. I quite like the way this game looks, doesn't have to be a graphical powerhouse.

Yes the character designs for this do seem uninspired, but they may have some good ones later. At least the region design and architecture looks great.

Annoying music??? Well, fudge you too!  Pokemon has some of the best music out there.

Gameplay isn't grindy. In fact its the least grindy turn based game I can think of. I love pokemon gameplay and so do millions of others, its the main reason it sells so well. Sure you may not like it, but it isn't grindy at all.

15 million is guaranteed at least

[the-pi-guy]

i'll never understand why people like this franchise.  

janky animations.  low rez assets. uninspired character designs. annoying music. grindy gameplay.

i think we have a guaranteed 20 million seller here...

It's all about catching them all.  
Nothing else matters.  

[kitler53]

Animations aren't janky. They might be outdated, but they still look fun and are great for kids especially.

Sure assets could be a lot better but its not like the game looks bad. I quite like the way this game looks, doesn't have to be a graphical powerhouse.

Yes the character designs for this do seem uninspired, but they may have some good ones later. At least the region design and architecture looks great.

Annoying music??? Well, fudge you too!   Pokemon has some of the best music out there.

Gameplay isn't grindy. In fact its the least grindy turn based game I can think of. I love pokemon gameplay and so do millions of others, its the main reason it sells so well. Sure you may not like it, but it isn't grindy at all.

15 million is guaranteed at least

you can feel free to ignore me.  i've only played 1 game.  i bought platinum right before taking a trip to greece.  i probably only got about 20 hours in playing on the plane/train/boat but i've never hated playing a game as much as i hated playing that game.

[Xevross]

you can feel free to ignore me.  i've only played 1 game.  i bought platinum right before taking a trip to greece.  i probably only got about 20 hours in playing on the plane/train/boat but i've never hated playing a game as much as i hated playing that game.

Well the games aren't for you then. Pokemon sells because its one of the most accessible and widely appealing games out there. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone hating them before. Do you like any JRPGs?

[the-pi-guy]

Looks about as lazy and unambitious as can be expected from the Pokemon franchise, and people expected this to be the series "BotW-moment", lol.

To be honest, I feel like a 2 minute trailer is a little bit early to judge.  
But, I'm not really sure what kind of huge changes people are really wanting/expecting for Pokemon.

i'll never understand why people like this franchise.  

janky animations.  low rez assets. uninspired character designs. annoying music. grindy gameplay.

i think we have a guaranteed 20 million seller here...

A lot of people grew up with this.  
I always found it fun to collect all the pokemon.  I'd say it's grindy compared to some games, but the only other games that I've played that do the monster collection aspect, are vastly more grindy.  
I can't even think of any games that do better on that.  
Some people might find it boring, and might even think of it like stamp collecting.  
But there are plenty of people that find that incredibly enjoyable.  

3 out of your 5 complaints are about the visuals(art style, graphics, graphics design), but a huge number of older people that played the games, started off with:




As someone who played those original games, and hasn't played any of the recent ones, this game looks like a massive change.  

[DerNebel]

To be honest, I feel like a 2 minute trailer is a little bit early to judge.  
But, I'm not really sure what kind of huge changes people are really wanting/expecting for Pokemon.
A lot of people grew up with this.  
I always found it fun to collect all the pokemon.  I'd say it's grindy compared to some games, but the only other games that I've played that do the monster collection aspect, are vastly more grindy.  
I can't even think of any games that do better on that.  
Some people might find it boring, and might even think of it like stamp collecting.  
But there are plenty of people that find that incredibly enjoyable.  

3 out of your 5 complaints are about the visuals(art style, graphics, graphics design), but a huge number of older people that played the games,



As someone who played those original games, and hasn't played any of the recent ones, this game looks like a massive change.  

I don't need to see a three hour demonstration of the game to be able to tell, that it looks absurdly outdated. A franchise, that is able to sell 10 million copies and more every single year revealing it's newest generation with shots like this is a joke.




So what people expect, or at least what I would expect, is a game that minimum looks like a game that has access to the kind of budget that Pokemon should have access to instead of looking worse than some mid-budget PS3 games like the original Ni No Kuni.

But then you have people making excuses like "this is Gamefreak's first mainline Pokemon game on an HD system", like Gamefreak isn't in the position to get help for such a project or like they maybe could not insist on releasing these games every freaking year now. No, no people really shouldn't expect what has to be one of the richest devs in the world, to go and make games that look like they actually release on current day hardware, that's just ridiculous.  

[Dr. Pezus]

Disappointing all things considered but I'm sure it'll be a good game.

[kitler53]

i guess what i'm saying is i don't think it is unfair to expect hardware that is more powerful than xbox/ps3 to at least produce visuals that are on par with xbox/ps3.

legend had a thread from a few days ago about gamers and their perception of games being more important than reality.  i perceive nintendo has being a lazy as fudge developer.  

[Legend]

i guess what i'm saying is i don't think it is unfair to expect hardware that is more powerful than xbox/ps3 to at least produce visuals that are on par with xbox/ps3.

legend had a thread from a few days ago about gamers and their perception of games being more important than reality.  i perceive nintendo has being a lazy as fudge developer.  

(the top picture is from the old 3DS game)

But I do understand your issues. Pokemon and a lot of Nintendo games have graphics that are way cheaper to make than other games. If this isn't pulled off correctly, it can definitely feel off. Pokemon Sun and Moon were the first pokemon games in a while that looked good to me.

[the-pi-guy]

Technically Nintendo isn't developing Pokemon.
Game Freak is privately owned.  They are currently working on two other titles at least, one is coming out on PS4, Xbox One.

They are a small studio.


I have to wonder what kind of arrangement Nintendo has with them.  I'm sure Nintendo takes most of the money.  

[Xevross]

i guess what i'm saying is i don't think it is unfair to expect hardware that is more powerful than xbox/ps3 to at least produce visuals that are on par with xbox/ps3.

legend had a thread from a few days ago about gamers and their perception of games being more important than reality.  i perceive nintendo has being a lazy as fudge developer.  

The lazy as fudge developer which probably puts out at least 2x the games per employee/ dollar spent compared to the other big gamings companies. Yeah...

They focus on gameplay instead of graphics and it pays off. Their games look good. Pokémon graphics are still good. Its not like it's offensively bad or anything, the graphics are great for handhelds.

[Cute Pikachu]

We getting into the lazy dev rhetoric again?
Especially Friken Nintendo?

My goodness.

Calling devs lazy is insulting. I say in regards to every developer Nintendo, EA, Sony, Microsoft, Activision.

Lazy Dev argument is completely disregarding the work of 100s of individuals who get paid a lot less then they should be paid(ie very well)

The complete over exaggerating of the appearance of this title is absurd. Is it dissapointing? Yes, but it seems like this game has garnered hate by a small minority because it didn't become ambitious enough. Let's actually see everything before we can judge. Ambitious doesn't have to be Presentation.

[Xevross]

We getting into the lazy dev rhetoric again?
Especially Friken Nintendo?

My goodness.

Calling devs lazy is insulting. I say in regards to every developer Nintendo, EA, Sony, Microsoft, Activision.

Lazy Dev argument is completely disregarding the work of 100s of individuals who get paid a lot less then they should be paid(ie very well)

Exactly. Game freak are a developer of 143 people who put out very high quality games every year, they are the complete opposite of lazy.

Sure the graphical and core gameplay changes are only incremental, but they come up with new worlds full of new creatures, new stories and new characters much faster than the vast majority of devs out there right now.

[Cute Pikachu]

Exactly. Game freak are a developer of 143 people who put out very high quality games every year, they are the complete opposite of lazy.

Sure the graphical and core gameplay changes are only incremental, but they come up with new worlds full of new creatures, new stories and new characters much faster than the vast majority of devs out there right now.

And can we not forget they completely changed the narrative structure of the series as well as replacing a staple of the series completely last generation?

I understand and agree it is dissapointing it didn't take a larger step, but come on guys there are ways a game can be ambitious that doesn't involve graphics and tech.

[Legend]

We getting into the lazy dev rhetoric again?
Especially Friken Nintendo?

My goodness.

Calling devs lazy is insulting. I say in regards to every developer Nintendo, EA, Sony, Microsoft, Activision.

Lazy Dev argument is completely disregarding the work of 100s of individuals who get paid a lot less then they should be paid(ie very well)

The complete over exaggerating of the appearance of this title is absurd. Is it dissapointing? Yes, but it seems like this game has garnered hate by a small minority because it didn't become ambitious enough. Let's actually see everything before we can judge. Ambitious doesn't have to be Presentation.

Lazy is such a dumb way to phrase the argument but that doesn't nullify the negative feedback.

Kitler isn't a game developer and certainly doesn't know the complex realities of the situation but his dislike stems from a factual thing the devs have done. The devs/publishers might not care about Kitler's opinions since they may have different priorities. Heck Kitler might have completely unrealistic expectations that would bankrupt GameFreak if tried to achieve them. Nevertheless he's not making up his dislike of the current game.