General Politics Thread

[Legend]

Aw tesla is up a bit today. I was gonna buy more stock if it got closer to my original $170 purchase price.

Maybe tomorrow.

[kitler53]

Aw tesla is up a bit today. I was gonna buy more stock if it got closer to my original $170 purchase price.

Maybe tomorrow.

you have confidence to buy more?

sales of EV are up WW while telsa is waaay down.  musk's reputation with the global warming concerned liberals that bought his cars is trash now.   he is one of the most hated person in the world and i have full confidence the boycott of all his brands will continue in US/Europe.   Also no way China is going to bail him out either.   i forsee tesla stock trending to 0.

[kitler53]

President Trump said in a social media post on Tuesday morning that he would impose an additional 25 percent tariff on Canadian steel and aluminum, doubling the levies he planned to put in place on Wednesday, and reiterated his notion that Canada should be part of the United States. He framed such an outcome as inevitable: "The artificial line of separation drawn many years ago will finally disappear," he wrote.

more tariffs.   ..and i swear if he starts a war with canada half the country will fight for canada over US at this point.   

[kitler53]

woah.  huge red candle.   what did trump say this time?

[Legend]

you have confidence to buy more?

sales of EV are up WW while telsa is waaay down.  musk's reputation with the global warming concerned liberals that bought his cars is trash now.  he is one of the most hated person in the world and i have full confidence the boycott of all his brands will continue in US/Europe.  Also no way China is going to bail him out either.  i forsee tesla stock trending to 0.

Oh yeah. Tesla is incredibly undervalued. Car sales will go back up with the new refresh, but their real potential is humanoid robots. Way ahead of the competition and good odds they win the majority of that market.

[kitler53]

Oh yeah. Tesla is incredibly undervalued. Car sales will go back up with the new refresh, but their real potential is humanoid robots. Way ahead of the competition and good odds they win the majority of that market.

well you are entitled to your opinion.   

mine opinion (and the opinion of everyone in my neighborhood) is i'll never buy a product that benefits musk.  not a car.  not internet.  not a robo taxi ride. not a solar roof.  not a humanoid robot.   i wouldn't buy from hitler and i won't buy from musk.   trump has created a great deal of anti-american sentiment so i expect places like canada and europe to boycott not just tesla but a wide range of american products.

and humanoid robots are a long ways away from being marketable.  without car sales telsa won't be able to fund continued research.

[Legend]

well you are entitled to your opinion. 

mine opinion (and the opinion of everyone in my neighborhood) is i'll never buy a product that benefits musk.  not a car.  not internet.  not a robo taxi ride. not a solar roof.  not a humanoid robot.  i wouldn't buy from hitler and i won't buy from musk.  trump has created a great deal of anti-american sentiment so i expect places like canada and europe to boycott not just tesla but a wide range of american products.

and humanoid robots are a long ways away from being marketable.  without car sales telsa won't be able to fund continued research.

Haha sure. We'll see how it plays out.

Humanoid robots are a lot closer than people realize. Like starlink I predict it'll quickly go from something everyone makes fun of to something making $10 billion a year with the potential for way more.

[kitler53]

Haha sure. We'll see how it plays out.

Humanoid robots are a lot closer than people realize. Like starlink I predict it'll quickly go from something everyone makes fun of to something making $10 billion a year with the potential for way more.

as a technology starlink is cool.  still not buying from musk or any service backboned by musk.   having a good product is not the only thing that goes into success.   you underestimate how much i HATE musk.   ...and i'm not alone.  in 2024 tesla sales flatlined.   in 2025 early sales data has it dropping nearly 50%.  

i guess you think this will blow over after a bit.   for me at least it won't.  

[kitler53]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/11/world/europe/ukraine-us-saudi-cease-fire-talks.html

U.S. Agrees to Resume Military Assistance to Ukraine

The United States agreed on Tuesday to immediately lift the pause on intelligence sharing and resume military assistance to Ukraine after more than eight hours of meetings in Saudi Arabia where Kyiv said it would support the Trump administration's proposal for a 30-day cease-fire with Russia.

In a joint statement, the United States and Ukraine acknowledged that the terms of any cease-fire would be subject to Russia's approval. They also agreed to conclude "as soon as possible" a deal to develop Ukraine's critical mineral resources — an agreement that was put on hold after the Oval Office dust-up. That joint venture is intended to "expand Ukraine's economy and guarantee Ukraine's long-term prosperity and security," the statement said.

good.

my only concern is i see rubio in the pic who is probably the sanest member of trumps cabinet.   i hope this isn't something rubio did and trump will completely reneg on by tomorrow.

[kitler53]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/11/us/politics/usaid-shred-burn-documents.html

U.S.A.I.D. Official Orders Employees to Shred or Burn Classified and Personnel Records

A senior official at the main U.S. aid agency, which is being dismantled by the Trump administration, told employees to clear safes holding classified documents and personnel files by shredding the papers or putting them into bags for burning, according to an email sent to the staff.

The American Foreign Service Association, a union representing career diplomats that is a plaintiff in a lawsuit, said in a statement on Tuesday that it was "alarmed by reports that U.S.A.I.D. has directed the destruction of classified and sensitive documents that may be relevant to ongoing litigation regarding the termination of U.S.A.I.D. employees and the cessation of U.S.A.I.D. grants."

"Federal law is clear: The preservation of government records is essential to transparency, accountability and the integrity of the legal process," the union said. "We call for full adherence to federal records preservation laws to ensure accountability and protect the rights of U.S.A.I.D. employees."

[Horizon]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/11/world/europe/ukraine-us-saudi-cease-fire-talks.html

U.S. Agrees to Resume Military Assistance to Ukraine


good.

my only concern is i see rubio in the pic who is probably the sanest member of trumps cabinet.  i hope this isn't something rubio did and trump will completely reneg on by tomorrow.

Hopefully gives Europe time to get into gear and have a contingency if the US plays around again. 

[kitler53]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/12/world/europe/eu-us-trump-tariffs.html

Europe Makes Its First Move as Trump's Trade Fight Widens

President Trump has imposed 25 percent tariffs on all global steel and aluminum imports, including products that contain those metals, such as cookware and window frames. Given that breadth, the European Union said that the U.S. levies might affect some 26 billion euros — $28 billion — of the bloc's exports.

So the bloc announced a plan that is meant to retaliate in nearly equal measure.

The response will come in two parts. The bloc had increased tariffs on a range of goods in retaliation to U.S. measures during Mr. Trump's first term, but they were suspended under the Biden administration. That suspension will be allowed to lapse on April 1, increasing tariffs on $4.5 billions of euros worth of products that include boats, bourbon and motorcycles.

The bloc's second step, it said, would be to place tariffs on about €18 billion worth of additional products. Representatives from countries across Europe will consult for two weeks before officials finalize the list of affected products.

so europe as entered the fight. 

i swear Trump could have rode a huge wave of bi-partisan patriotisms if his trade war was focused on china which everyone agrees is highly unfair with access to their economy.   instead he is focused on our closest allies...

[kitler53]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/13/us/politics/doge-errors-funding-grants-claims.html

DOGE Makes Its Latest Errors Harder to Find

Previously when it posted new claims, DOGE, Mr. Musk's government-restructuring effort, had included identifying details about the cuts it took credit for. That allowed the public to fact-check its work by comparing its figures with federal spending databases and talking to the groups whose funding had been cut.

This time, it did not include those details. A White House official said that was done for security purposes.

The result was that the group's new claims appeared impossible to check.

The New York Times, at first, found a way around the group's obfuscation. That is because Mr. Musk's group had briefly embedded the federal identification numbers of these grants in the publicly available source code. The Times used those numbers to match DOGE's claims with reality, and to discover that they contained the same kind of errors that it had made in the past.

Mr. Musk's group later removed those identifiers from the code, and posted more batches of claims that could not be verified at all.

That shift was a major step back from one of Mr. Musk's core promises about his group: that it would be "maximally transparent."

[kitler53]

from what i'm reading democrat's seem likely to filibuster the spending bill forcing the government to shut down.

this is really a damned if you do damned if you don't scenario.  the house bill is highly partisan filled with poison pills.   democrats are facing an electorate that want to see their leadership take a stronger stance against the 100's of lawless activities trump is doing.

...but on the other side conservative media is refusing to cover the market meltdown.   i'm already seeing socials push a narrative that "unpatriotic liberals are conspiring to destroy the economy just to stop trump's agenda".    if democrats allow the government to shut down i expect conservative media to run with that scapegoating all of terrible consequences of trump's agenda on democrats.


i dunno what should be done but i fully expect the worst possible outcome for democrats regardless of what they do...

[kitler53]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/13/us/politics/trump-birthright-citizenship-supreme-court.html

Trump's Birthright Citizenship Order Reaches the Supreme Court


the title is really enough on this one.  time to see if we still have a constitution or not..