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kitler53

Btw. I think this new R&C project is hugely important to Insomniac, there's been what I can only assume is an Insomniac employee posting in the "R&C has gone gold" thread on Neogaf about how he's super thankful for all the people pre ordering etc. for days now, it's kinda weird actually.

This thing could make or break R&C.
this thing could make or break insomniac.

i know they don't want to be just a R&C developer but at the same time they have had a few titles in a row do either terrible or just okay.  they last title they announced was a 2D metroidvania.  i think insomniac is hitting on hard times.   ..but what can i say:

I got R&C all for one.  it was terrible.
I didn't get full frontal assult.  i didn't want a tower defense game.
fuse looked and reviewed horrible.
R&C into the nexus was amazing.
sunset overdrive was exclusive to a system i don't own.
edge of no where is going to be exclusive to a system i don't own.
song of the deep,..  meh.
Ratchet and Clank (ps4) looks amazing.

I'm not saying they should go crawling back to sony but...


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Raven

Sorry to say, but Insomniac is paying the price for staying as a large, independent studio without multiple big hits.

Aura7541

this thing could make or break insomniac.

i know they don't want to be just a R&C developer but at the same time they have had a few titles in a row do either terrible or just okay.  they last title they announced was a 2D metroidvania.  i think insomniac is hitting on hard times.   ..but what can i say:

I got R&C all for one.  it was terrible.
I didn't get full frontal assult.  i didn't want a tower defense game.
fuse looked and reviewed horrible.
R&C into the nexus was amazing.
sunset overdrive was exclusive to a system i don't own.
edge of no where is going to be exclusive to a system i don't own.
song of the deep,..  meh.
Ratchet and Clank (ps4) looks amazing.

I'm not saying they should go crawling back to sony but...
And the Resistance series never really took off, even though I thought the 3rd game was the best of the trilogy. (The 2nd game had the best multiplayer, though).

DerNebel

this thing could make or break insomniac.

i know they don't want to be just a R&C developer but at the same time they have had a few titles in a row do either terrible or just okay.  they last title they announced was a 2D metroidvania.  i think insomniac is hitting on hard times.   ..but what can i say:

I got R&C all for one.  it was terrible.
I didn't get full frontal assult.  i didn't want a tower defense game.
fuse looked and reviewed horrible.
R&C into the nexus was amazing.
sunset overdrive was exclusive to a system i don't own.
edge of no where is going to be exclusive to a system i don't own.
song of the deep,..  meh.
Ratchet and Clank (ps4) looks amazing.

I'm not saying they should go crawling back to sony but...
That's the thing though, if this game/movie flops then they can do all the crawling they want Sony simply won't have any interest in continuing to work with them like that, just one too many failures. But yeah, like Raven said, they are really not producing the kind of hits to support a 200 man studio.

This is what I meant btw. nothing personal against the guy of course, but this feels a bit weird to me.

NeoGAF - View Single Post -  Ratchet & Clank has gone gold

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 Goddammit why no 60fps :-(
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 I pre-ordered this morning. Ratchet & Clank has consistently been great, so making that decision was easy. I can't wait to play it.

 
Thanks so much! I've said it a lot in this thread, but every pre-order really does matter and count.
 

Legend

This is what I meant btw. nothing personal against the guy of course, but this feels a bit weird to me.
Oh that's James Stevenson!

He's been a regular poster on GAF for years. Just go read any of the other Insomniac game threads.

Kerotan

I've actually been surprised with how ratchet has been doing on amazon the last month.  I think not charging $60 really helps.  

The problem for insomniac is they shunned Sony with sunset overdrive and it did mediocre sales wise on xbox.  Microsoft don't seem to pushed investing in that sort of game anymore since they're getting their assed kick so badly.  

If sunset overdrive was on ps4 I reckon it would have done double the sales
 Their fanbase is on there and all games do much better on ps4 this gen.  Plus that game was actually good.  

A sunset overdrive 2 on xbox and ps4 might be their next best option but good luck getting either Sony or Microsoft to fund it then.  

Not sure what's next but I hope ratchet does good so there is a next.

darkknightkryta

Insomniac's current predicament is totally Price's fault.  He totally misread why multiplatform studios "make money".  He didn't realize that those studios are owned by large publishers and games are given to them as opposed to creating.  Publishers make money, not the studios.  So when he left Sony to make more money, he didn't realize you need a huge publisher giving you titles to make instead of the other way around.  It's also really hard to make a good deal with a publisher unless your game is established.  So they spent a shame ton of money on that third party studio just to not have it produce.

kitler53

I've actually been surprised with how ratchet has been doing on amazon the last month.  I think not charging $60 really helps. 

The problem for insomniac is they shunned Sony with sunset overdrive and it did mediocre sales wise on xbox.  Microsoft don't seem to pushed investing in that sort of game anymore since they're getting their assed kick so badly. 

If sunset overdrive was on ps4 I reckon it would have done double the sales
 Their fanbase is on there and all games do much better on ps4 this gen.  Plus that game was actually good. 

A sunset overdrive 2 on xbox and ps4 might be their next best option but good luck getting either Sony or Microsoft to fund it then. 

Not sure what's next but I hope ratchet does good so there is a next.
i would have bought sunset overdrive if it was on ps4 but i would not buy a xbox for sunset overdrive.

it looked solid but not compelling either,..  a title that justifies owning a console not makes me want to purchase a console.


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BananaKing

Apr 08, 2016, 06:00 PM Last Edit: Apr 08, 2016, 06:03 PM by NotBananaKing
Sorry to say, but Insomniac is paying the price for staying as a large, independent studio without multiple big hits.
you mean without any hits. and their quality has been all over the place

Insomniac's current predicament is totally Price's fault.  He totally misread why multiplatform studios "make money".  He didn't realize that those studios are owned by large publishers and games are given to them as opposed to creating.  Publishers make money, not the studios.  So when he left Sony to make more money, he didn't realize you need a huge publisher giving you titles to make instead of the other way around.  It's also really hard to make a good deal with a publisher unless your game is established.  So they spent a shame ton of money on that third party studio just to not have it produce.
they probably want to go into self publishing and become publishers sooner or later. i think that would be the goal for a studio like insomniace now. (and i think thats what bungie is aiming for after Destiny). its why they are making that small indie game, arent they self publishing it?

the problem is they havent had a hit on their hand, i doubt sunset overdrive was profitable, and if it was, it wasnt by much. and i doubt Ratchet would make them much money either. if they have a hit on their hands, they would be able to find it a publisher no problem, thats not the issue. its the game making process thats the issue, they just dont make games that sell.

Raven

you mean without any hits. and their quality has been all over the place
They've been riding on the success of their PS2 and early PS3 days. I'd say it's been around 9 or 10 years since they produced a good commercial success and I think the last game they made that received very high, if not universal, critical praise was A Crack in Time.

BananaKing

They've been riding on the success of their PS2 and early PS3 days. I'd say it's been around 9 or 10 years since they produced a good commercial success and I think the last game they made that received very high, if not universal, critical praise was A Crack in Time.
yeah, Ratchet might have been big back in the PS2 and early PS3 days, but it certainly isnt anymore. and anybody remember Fuse? yeah.. that game happened. Sunset Overdrive was a good game, but it being exclusive killed it, if it was a PS4, XB1 and PC game, i could have seen it sell 2 million or so, maybe 3 million.

but overall, insomniace really isnt in that great of a place, they are making games for who ever would take them, like their Oculus game, that wont sell much, not on an Oculus only install base. but im sure Facebook is paying the bill for development, because they need what ever exclusives they can get, so incomniace does the game, and take what little profit they can out of it.

Legend

Insomniac needs to kickstart a spiritual successor to Spyro if Ratchet is successful. Bank off nostalgia and try to become independently publishing too.

darkknightkryta

you mean without any hits. and their quality has been all over the place
they probably want to go into self publishing and become publishers sooner or later. i think that would be the goal for a studio like insomniace now. (and i think thats what bungie is aiming for after Destiny). its why they are making that small indie game, arent they self publishing it?

the problem is they havent had a hit on their hand, i doubt sunset overdrive was profitable, and if it was, it wasnt by much. and i doubt Ratchet would make them much money either. if they have a hit on their hands, they would be able to find it a publisher no problem, thats not the issue. its the game making process thats the issue, they just dont make games that sell.
That's part of what I was trying to get at.  Their success was Resistance 1 and Ratchet and Clank.  Ted should have taken a small team and work on R and D for a new franchise they could shop or self publish.  Instead they spent god knows how much money on that second studio and produced bad game after bad game.  On another note; I blame EA for Fuse.  Insomniac had better ideas before it turned into that generic game that EA didn't want to advertise.

Horizon

I also feel like Insomniac like many publishers bet on the wrong horse as in Microsoft with the Xbox One and they were just not that much of a big deal for the Xbox crowd. It was nothing comparable to someone like Destiny going multiplat. Their fanbase is on Playstation and they have a lot more clout with the Playstation fanbase who would get excited by an Insomniac game whereas Xbox gamers seemed nonplussed with Sunset Overdrive for the most part. I know they want their independence but sooner or later they are going to need to be bought or come up with  a blockbuster title and I am not sure they have it in them.

Kerotan

Agreed on sunset overdrive.  It wasn't good enough to be a system Seller but it was good enough to buy.  Especially early gen when we were all thirsty for games.  It would have done nicely.  

Another unlikely but possible option is insomniac making a spyro reboot for the ps4.

Sony and Activision are on very good terms lately.  If the crash bandicoot reboot really does happen this e3 then the next obvious reboot for Sony to look for is spyro.  And who better than insomniac to reboot it.  

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