Scalebound cancelled

[Legend]

The xbox one subreddit has been fairly critical about MS exclusives after this news.

Are other groups also acting in a similar way?


I'm trying to judge how damaging this news was for the brand.

[kitler53]

The xbox one subreddit has been fairly critical about MS exclusives after this news.

Are other groups also acting in a similar way?


I'm trying to judge how damaging this news was for the brand.

it'd wager pretty damaging.

it's not really about scalebound exactly,.. it's the 180s around kinect and always online, it's the cancellations of other games like phantom dust and fable legends, it's the double talk around things like tomb raider exclusivity, it's the misrepresentation of how AAA a game really is like with fable legends and recore, it's the getting not the game anyone really wants like with sea of theives, it's the watching virtually every xbox exclusives head over to windows 10 including a day-and-date release on QB after years of saying it would never come to PC, it's the disappointing reception of the most recent halo and gears of war, it's the watching MS spend 2.5 billion but giving not building a viable first party,..

LudicrousSpeed will forever be a xbox apologist but most people have their limits.

this gen is for xbox fans like i (as a packer fan) would feel if the packers went 2 and 14.  there is very little to celebrate and a whole lot to be upset about.  scalebound is just the last straw for a lot of people.  most fans will start demand new leadership that focuses more on actually caring about customer needs instead of MS's current course which is to treat xbox like an afterthought only there to help promote windows 10.

[ethomaz]

it'd wager pretty damaging.

it's not really about scalebound exactly,.. it's the 180s around kinect and always online, it's the cancellations of other games like phantom dust and fable legends, it's the double talk around things like tomb raider exclusivity, it's the misrepresentation of how AAA a game really is like with fable legends and recore, it's the getting not the game anyone really wants like with sea of theives, it's the watching virtually every xbox exclusives head over to windows 10 including a day-and-date release on QB after years of saying it would never come to PC, it's the disappointing reception of the most recent halo and gears of war, it's the watching MS spend 2.5 billion but giving not building a viable first party,..

LudicrousSpeed will forever be a xbox apologist but most people have their limits.

this gen is for xbox fans like i (as a packer fan) would feel if the packers went 2 and 14.  there is very little to celebrate and a whole lot to be upset about.  scalebound is just the last straw for a lot of people.  most fans will start demand new leadership that focuses more on actually caring about customer needs instead of MS's current course which is to treat xbox like an afterthought only there to help promote windows 10.

[Aura7541]

The xbox one subreddit has been fairly critical about MS exclusives after this news.

Are other groups also acting in a similar way?


I'm trying to judge how damaging this news was for the brand.

If reports reveal that the Scalebound situation is very similar to Phantom Dust, then I think this will damage not just the public perception of MS, but also the relationship between 3rd parties and the company.

Microsoft has had a history of burning bridges:

• Cancellation of True Fantasy Live Online (Level-5).
• Bungie splitting up from Microsoft for the purpose of creative independence.
• Cancellation of Stormlands (Obsidian). The developer went on to revive it via Kickstarter as Pillars of Eternity.
• XB1 version of Final Fantasy Type-0 (Square Enix) selling below the minimum print order.
• Poor handling of the timed exclusivity deal of Rise of the Tomb Raider (Square Enix) that led to Square disclosing the PS4 and PC versions prior to the XB1 version's release.
• Cancellation of the Phantom Dust Remake (Darkside Games) as a result of poor communication and Microsoft's feature creep.
• Commercial underperformance of Quantum Break (Remedy). The developer's next game will be multiplat.
• Commerical underperformance of Sunset Overdrive (Insomniac). There are no plans for a sequel and the developer is busy with Spiderman.

Combine that with Microsoft's 1st party mishaps, there's very little reason to have confidence in the company.

[DerNebel]

Phil Spencer was never good at managing MS' first party studios so I'm honestly not sure why people expected things to be different now and why they believed all his claims of a "bigger focus on first party". I guess people just blamed everything on Mattrick but under Spencer as the head of first party the 360 really became the Halo/Gears/Forza/Fable/Kinect machine for its last couple years.

Now it's even down from that to just Halo/Gears/Forza and the odd game here and there that they shame without any fanfare or anything.

Grain of salt, naturally

[Max King of the Wild]

it'd wager pretty damaging.

it's not really about scalebound exactly,.. it's the 180s around kinect and always online, it's the cancellations of other games like phantom dust and fable legends, it's the double talk around things like tomb raider exclusivity, it's the misrepresentation of how AAA a game really is like with fable legends and recore, it's the getting not the game anyone really wants like with sea of theives, it's the watching virtually every xbox exclusives head over to windows 10 including a day-and-date release on QB after years of saying it would never come to PC, it's the disappointing reception of the most recent halo and gears of war, it's the watching MS spend 2.5 billion but giving not building a viable first party,..

LudicrousSpeed will forever be a xbox apologist but most people have their limits.

this gen is for xbox fans like i (as a packer fan) would feel if the packers went 2 and 14.  there is very little to celebrate and a whole lot to be upset about.  scalebound is just the last straw for a lot of people.  most fans will start demand new leadership that focuses more on actually caring about customer needs instead of MS's current course which is to treat xbox like an afterthought only there to help promote windows 10.

Someone is claiming they'd rather the game be canceled and have BC 360 games... Because that's mutually exclusive.

[Raven]

Xbox's next masterpiece. pic.twitter.com/M6lbCzT6Ug

— PlayStation Mil Grau (@PSM1lGr4u) January 10, 2017

[Aura7541]

Shinobi's posts in the Microsoft Studios thread are not very encouraging...

NeoGAF - View Single Post -  Microsoft Studios (& Partners) Current and Future Landscape

Originally Posted by bidguy
 
 so what does ms actually have in terms of exclusives now ? im not asking you specifics,only if they have nothing up their sleeve right now since that seems to be what youre implying here

At this point I genuinely do not know. Being transparent here. I heard about Scalebound's cancellation last week, and since then I've talked to a few people.

One's a first party developer and mentioned they haven't heard anything internally about 'new' first party stuff, when they usually have in the past, and slowly realizing that, perhaps that's because there barely is any.

 Again, there's E3 coming, so there's bound to be at least one surprise. Always is. As of right now (January), I haven't heard anything. I will closer to E3.
 

NeoGAF - View Single Post -  Microsoft Studios (& Partners) Current and Future Landscape

Originally Posted by bidguy
 
 is there any possible way they might keep their cards close to their chest after their whole conference got leaked last year ? it just sounds unbelievable that they have nothing coming while the competition is churning out game after game even getting third party exclusives

Could they? Sure, but like I've said, unless they have entire first party studios secretly hidden away somewhere, I personally can not deduce who might be working on a surprise. 343 is working on Halo, that's their bread and butter. The Coalition is on Gears, Turn 10 is on Forza, Rare is on Sea of Thieves and other prototypes (that aren't anywhere near ready to be shown), Lionhead's gone...

 This first party source noted to me that this time last year they had clear knowledge about what's coming in pipeline but right now it's radio silent, which to them says not much is on the horizon, software wise.

 Phil's been adamant (now) that throwing money towards third party exclusives "doesn't grow" their brand, and they likely won't go that route.

 Big new IPs need significant resources and capital and I can't see where that'd come from.
 

NeoGAF - View Single Post -  Microsoft Studios (& Partners) Current and Future Landscape

Originally Posted by Bits N Pieces
 
 Isn't that where a Dev like Playground, Remedy, Armature, Reagent, Undeadlabs etc come in, except we just don't know who that might be yet?  I mean they have 0 games announced for 2018 and I can't wrap my head around them having 0 games in development due to release in that year.
 Maybe they're getting better at keeping secrets?
 

I'm not saying there's "0". What I said is what I said. There's nothing that I personally know about for now. Playground just finished Forza Horizon, a huge endeavor that took up all the studio's resources, Remedy's next game is multiplatform and not anywhere near ready, Undead is on State of Decay.

 Their deals with studios that produced things like Sunset Overdrive, Ryse, Recore, Quantum Break all failed in terms of financial success. They're all dead. That's the problem.
 

[DerNebel]

Wat?

NeoGAF - View Single Post -  Microsoft Studios (& Partners) Current and Future Landscape

Alright I'm going to pull out the "Best Case Scenario" E3:
 1) E3 starts with Scorpio reveal. Priced at $399. Designed to look like Xbox One S, but slightly bigger. Sleek, runs cool, with internal power supply, 6.5TF, Zen processor.
 2) Atlus CEO comes on and says "We are pleased to announced we've been purchased by Microsoft".
 *Persona 5 not cancelled for PS3 or PS4 (because Microsoft is such a good guy).
 *Persona 5 port announced for Xbox One.
 *Persona 4 Golden remastered announced for Xbox One.
 *Atlus announces they are also working on a brand new JRPG IP (exclusive to Xbox).
 3) Microsoft announces they have bought Thekla (Jonathon Blow studio) and Playdead (Inside and Limbo devs) to join 1st-party stable.
 *The Witness and Inside are announced to have standalone disc releases.
 *Thekla and Playdead are both working on new exclusive puzzle-game IPs for Xbox.
 *Braid is announced as BC on 360, and Braid Remastered is available for download at E3 (at a cost of $4.99 for anyone who owns the 360 version) with a new 1000 gamerscore.
 4) Microsoft announces the creation of a new JRPG 1st-party dev based in Osaka, called Microsoft Osaka Studios.
 *The studio is comprised primarily of former devs that made Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey
 *Their first game is an original JRPG IP.
 5) Bonnie Ross from 343 comes on stage with the head of Rare.
 *They announce that 343 Studios is working on Perfect Dark 3, developed 100% by 343 with some key Rare employees providing input
 *Rare shows off Sea Of Thieves and confirms it's not free-to-play, not an MMO, and will have a massive single player campaign with dungeons similar to Wind Waker.
 *343 announces that half their team is hard at work on Perfect Dark 3, with the other half spending significant resources to fix Master Chief Collection
 6) Bonnie Ross stays on stage but the heads of Rare leave, replaced by the heads of Bioware
 *They announce a Halo WRPG similar to Mass Effect 1. Developed by Bioware with input from key 343 members. You play exclusively as a female Spartan.
 *The game will take place during the original Halo 1, 2, and 3 trilogy.
 *You visit Halo rings, Earth, different human colonies, and various Covenant planets. No Prometheans.
 7) Then Bonnie + Bioware guys leave, and Rare heads come back on stage with Playtonic Devs
 *They show a Yooka-Laylee trailer (and at the end of the trailer it says coming out April 2017 on PC, Xbox One, PS4, and Switch) because Microsoft is such a good guy and won't obfuscate the details of any third-party partnerships.
 *After the Yooka-Laylee trailer, we hear a banjo tune and the familiar banjo guffaw. Then a Banjo Kazooie 3 trailer shows.
 *Co-developed by Playtonic and Rare
  Sam Lake from Remedy comes on stage with Phil Spencer. Microsoft announces they've purchased Remedy.
 *Quantum Break story expansion DLC is announced. You play exclusively as Beth Wilder.
 *$30. Can be purchased standalone. Has its own 1000 gamerscore. Can be launched within Quantum Break.
 *Alan Wake 1 Remastered, with 2000 gamerscore. Has all DLC and American Nightmare.
 9) The Coalition come on stage with Rod Fergusson
 *Public apology from Rod Fergusson re: microtransactions. The cost of microtransactions is dramatically reduced.
 *Confirmed that game has been changed so that the possibility of duplicate skins/characters is now ZERO.
 *Currency drops for normal game play dramatically improved.
 *New story DLC announced where you play as Kait and JD. Kait is the default player one character. Takes place shortly after the end of Gears 4. Titled "Kait's Epilogue". $20.
 10) Microsoft announce they have purchased Twisted Pixel and they are working on Splosion Man 2.
 11) Microsoft announces there will be no Forza in the year 2017. Instead, the Turn10 and Playground teams are hard at work on Scorpio patches for Forza Motorsport 5 and 6, and Forza Horizon 2, 3, and Fast/Furious.
 12) Cuphead has a trailer and release date (July 2017). It wins game of the show. Platforming levels are dramatically improved.
 13) Then, Phil Spencer says, "and one more thing". The auditorium goes dark. You hear a chainsaw and you see The Coalition's logo, and it says "The Coalition and Microsoft Studios present Shangheist". 2-minute trailer. The NY Times and Washington Post says "They did it!!! The sons of babies actually did it!!!" on their front pages.
 Then the OP will be fudgy epic. The list of first party devs will be:
 343 Studios (working on Halo 6 and Perfect Dark 3)
 Rare (working on Sea of Thieves and Banjo Kazooie 3)
 Atlus (working on Persona 5, Persona 4 Remastered, and new JRPG IP)
 Thekla (working on new puzzle game from Jonathan Blow)
 Playdead (working on new puzzle game similar to Inside)
 Microsoft Osaka Studios (working on new JRPG IP)
 Remedy (working on Quantum Break DLC and Alan Wake Remastered)
 The Coalition (working on Shangheist and Gears 4 DLC)
 Twisted Pixel (working on Splosion Man 2)
 Turn 10 / Playground (working on legacy Forza patches)
 

[Legend]

Wat?

NeoGAF - View Single Post -  Microsoft Studios (& Partners) Current and Future Landscape

I assumed that was shinoobi and was really confused.

Is that even an insider?

[nnodley]

I assumed that was shinoobi and was really confused.

Is that even an insider?

HAHA yeah I don't think he's an insider.  Just someone who is delusional.  Unless he was literally trolling with that post.  Seems like he legit believes stuff like that can happen.

[DerNebel]

I assumed that was shinoobi and was really confused.

Is that even an insider?

No, not an insider just a "best case scenario E3" that popped at me the moment I opened the MS first party thread on Gaf and that made me chuckle.

I like how MS not cancelling multiplats that will have already released by E3 (Persona 5, Yooka Layle) makes them "good guys".

[Aura7541]

Wat?

NeoGAF - View Single Post -  Microsoft Studios (& Partners) Current and Future Landscape

I really think he's trolling, but there people who are genuinely delusional.

[darkknightkryta]

This is what happens when you have people who've never played games before run a game division (Spencer's a puppet).  Shu has a platinum in Bloodborne

[Legend]

This is what happens when you have people who've never played games before run a game division (Spencer's a puppet).  Shu has a platinum in Bloodborne

He does play games: P3 Xbox Achievements