Project Scorpio announced ("Most powerful console ever", 6TF, 4k, VR, 2017)

[ethomaz]

PlayStation boss 'surprised' by timing of Project Scorpio announcement - VideoGamer.com

"I was surprised by the step of announcing something over a year ahead of time," House said, talking to The Guardian about Scorpio's reveal. "The dynamics of the tech industry are such that there's a much heavier emphasis on immediate gratification than there was. A lot of that is to do with how Apple has very cleverly and elegantly managed the 'available now' approach. So yes, that was a slight surprise to me."

"We experienced this ourselves," he continued, "when, in 2013, very much in line with our previous strategies, we announced a concept and a name for PlayStation 4, and everyone said 'where's the box? How dare you?!' That was the point we realised, well, we hadn't changed but the world around us had."

"The point of confirming the existence of PlayStation 4 Neo and the bare bones of the plan last week was about not disappointing the fan base who would obviously come to E3 with high expectations of all kinds of announcements," House said. "And from past experience, the worst thing you can do is disappoint and pull the rug away from people. That's why we went out last week and said, yes, it does exist but don't expect to see it at E3. I think it was the right thing to do."

I think Sony is really going for a Apple way of announce with available now.

[Legend]

PlayStation boss 'surprised' by timing of Project Scorpio announcement - VideoGamer.com

I think Sony is really going for a Apple way of announce with available now.

Yeah what I think is crazy is that Scorpio was announced farther in advance than the Xbox One itself. That's crazy!

[the-pi-guy]

It really makes no sense that they'd announce it right now.  

It's a year and a half away, and they're really messing up with explaining what it is.

Schrodinger's Xbox.  
It's definitely alive.  It's definitely dead.  

[Dr. Pezus]

"You won't see any difference unless you have a 4K TV."

"You can use it for other improvements if you want."

It's just bad, different people saying opposite things, even the same person saying opposite things.....

Classic ms this gen

[Legend]

I think Sony has screwed up by not clarifying what Neo specifically is.

XBOX fans are hyping up Scorpio as their dream console and are freaking out everytime Phil in an interview says something that doesn't perfectly line up with their expectations.

[the-pi-guy]

I'm seeing more disdain from people that basically Sony should have talked about the Neo; and that they need a few months before release.  

[Legend]

Spencer: We could have done a more powerful Xbox this year but ... - NeoGAF

@Kitler

It's starting to sound like Scorpio isn't the end of generations like you're wanting. This seems like it's just a 4K version of the system for people with 4K tvs.

I honestly wasn't expecting this from MS.

[ethomaz]

Let's say the truth here @Legend.

Scorpio doesn't exist yet neither in prototype.

That is why they didn't know the real goal of this console... they have a target spec that they think it will be possible in 2017 but not today.

The capabilities and features are to be set yet next year when they finished the console and that generate misinformation because you talk about about target plans and not real plans (these that will happen when the machine is done).

That is why you don't announce a console before finish it.

[Raven]

Spencer: We could have done a more powerful Xbox this year but ... - NeoGAF

@Kitler

It's starting to sound like Scorpio isn't the end of generations like you're wanting. This seems like it's just a 4K version of the system for people with 4K tvs.

I honestly wasn't expecting this from MS.

This is sounding less like a console refresh and more like, "Are you the kind of person who likes to measure dicks with electronic appliances?! Do you have the latest in TV resolution?! Then blow money on our premium device that does nothing more than run the games you already play at native 4K!! Framerate? HAHAHA!"

[Legend]

This is sounding less like a console refresh and more like, "Are you the kind of person who likes to measure dicks with electronic appliances?! Do you have the latest in TV resolution?! Then blow money on our premium device that does nothing more than run the games you already play at native 4K?! Framerate? HAHAHA!"

Personally I prefer this. I don't want console refreshes and I think 30 fps is great  

[kitler53]

Spencer: We could have done a more powerful Xbox this year but ... - NeoGAF

@Kitler

It's starting to sound like Scorpio isn't the end of generations like you're wanting. This seems like it's just a 4K version of the system for people with 4K tvs.

I honestly wasn't expecting this from MS.

i don't want an end to the gen,.. i want iterative hardware.  but these days the consumers are smart:

ps4 has (i believe) 1.8 terraflops.

release ps4 neo with 4 terraflops and people will understand that the extra power isn't enough to do more than some better resolutions and framerates.

release ps4 neo with 10 terraflops and people will be outraged that the extra power is limited only to resolution and framerate.


ps4 launch holiday 2013.  peoples expectations are generations last about 6 years.  holiday 2016 is the half way of point of the consumers expectation of a gen and the perfect time to release a mid generation console that is a half step more powerful.  waiting to 2017 raises the expectation of how powerful the system ought to be and thus changes the expectation of what the hardware ought to be capable of doing.

my 2 cents.  2017 and 6 tf is to big and too late. 

...and you can see it blasted all over ms's face right now.  they are fumbling the marketing message because the machine is too powerful to not be viewed as a next gen machine.  and the xbox faithful are not going to be happy with a 6 tf machine that is "held back by xbox one".  it is the exact same outrage you may remember surrounding cross gen titles during holiday 2015 (tomb raider, forza, ect).  people were mad that their next gen console looked like nothing more than an uprezed 360 game. 



i said in the live view thread "okay ms,.. you can't fudge up the messaging on this announcement".   they done iced up.

[Legend]

Let's say the truth here @Legend.

Scorpio doesn't exist yet neither in prototype.

That is why they didn't know the real goal of this console... they have a target spec that they think it will be possible in 2017 but not today.

The capabilities and features are to be set yet next year when they finished the console and that generate misinformation because you talk about about target plans and not real plans (these that will happen when the machine is done).

That is why you don't announce a console before finish it.

Scorpio prototypes most certainly exist at this stage. They're jerry rigged monstrosities probably, but good enough to at least have a general idea of how things are working.

Their target spec may change but they should know the goal of the console. It's crazy to think MS is just building this first and deciding its purpose second.


Somewhat related, how about a bet? I bet Gears of War 4 will run at essentially native 4K on scorpio. It might do lots of tricks to get to that resolution and might be only 1900p, but essentially a 4k game. Do you agree to the wager? GeOR 4K just sounds so nice! I bet we'll get Uncharted 4K too.

i don't want an end to the gen,.. i want iterative hardware.  but these days the consumers are smart:

ps4 has (i believe) 1.8 terraflops.

release ps4 neo with 4 terraflops and people will understand that the extra power isn't enough to do more than some better resolutions and framerates.

release ps4 neo with 10 terraflops and people will be outraged that the extra power is limited only to resolution and framerate.


ps4 launch holiday 2013.  peoples expectations are generations last about 6 years.  holiday 2016 is the half way of point of the consumers expectation of a gen and the perfect time to release a mid generation console that is a half step more powerful.  waiting to 2017 raises the expectation of how powerful the system ought to be and thus changes the expectation of what the hardware ought to be capable of doing.

my 2 cents.  2017 and 6 tf is to big and too late.  

...and you can see it blasted all over ms's face right now.  they are fumbling the marketing message because the machine is too powerful to not be viewed as a next gen machine.  and the xbox faithful are not going to be happy with a 6 tf machine that is "held back by xbox one".  it is the exact same outrage you may remember surrounding cross gen titles during holiday 2015 (tomb raider, forza, ect).  people were mad that their next gen console looked like nothing more than an uprezed 360 game.  



i said in the live view thread "okay ms,.. you can't fudge up the messaging on this announcement".   they done iced up.

Smart analysis.

Microsoft has sold scorpio as super machine. "The most powerful console ever"

EDT: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1234217

Yeah Scorpio is 4K focused for sure. Also I really hope this is a hypothetical example and not a literal one. If XBO games automatically run better on Scorpio, it could cause compatibility issues for older titles.

[ethomaz]

More Phil today.

PS: Dynamic Res XB1 Games Like Halo 5 Should Render at 1080p at All Times on Scorpio - NeoGAF

From Phil Spencer's interview with gamesindustries.biz.

There are games that were written on Xbox One, and we continue to evangelize this tech of dynamic scaling - Halo 5's a good example - when Halo 5 runs it wants to max out at 1080p/60 frames per second or highest resolution/60 frames per second. As scenes get more complex, the vertical resolution will shrink... to keep the 60 frames per second. When that same game's running on Scorpio, because of the compute capability, it's effectively is going to run at its max resolution the whole time. And so you will see advantages like that when your Xbox One games are running on Scorpio. So that's why we continue to talk to developers about dynamic scaling because I think as compute capability goes up on the hardware, they kind of get it for free. Now, it's not going to make Halo 5 run with 4K pixels. The frame buffer is not a 4K frame buffer for the game. But it will run more solidly. And certain developers might go back and decide if they've built a 4K version for PC already for some of their games, they might go back and decide to enable a 4K version for the Scorpio Xbox when it launches.

 

Yes, another Phil Spencer thread but this is something I know myself and a couple other folk were wondering. Please lock it up if we're reached peaked Phil Spencer.
 

BTW it was obvious and even running Halo 5 at 1080p@60fps the Scorpio will be sub-utilized like half of it power.

[Legend]

More Phil today.

PS: Dynamic Res XB1 Games Like Halo 5 Should Render at 1080p at All Times on Scorpio - NeoGAF
Yes, another Phil Spencer thread but this is something I know myself and a couple other folk were wondering. Please lock it up if we're reached peaked Phil Spencer.
 


BTW it was obvious and even running Halo 5 at 1080p@60fps the Scorpio will be sub-utilized like half of it power.

That's not good. Could cause compatibility issues with games that break due to better performance.

Also Spencer is giving Mattrick a run for his money.

[Aura7541]

That's not good. Could cause compatibility issues with games that break due to better performance.

Also Spencer is giving Mattrick a run for his money.

Argh, which one is it?