Will Trump be the next US president?

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Aura7541

Quote from: Raven on Jul 25, 2016, 04:14 PMBut Tacos! Underwater basket weaving, the history of the patriarchy, and the deep literary ramifications of the Twilight novels are just as legit fields of study as nuclear engineering, genetics, and computer science!
I don't know how Melissa Click managed to get employed. Looking at her CV gave me cancer.

Raven

Quote from: Aura7541 on Jul 25, 2016, 05:18 PMI don't know how Melissa Click managed to get employed. Looking at her CV gave me cancer.
It makes me so happy that someone knew who I was talking about.

kitler53

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Quote from: Mmm_fish_tacos on Jul 25, 2016, 03:47 PMI want to see free skill trade classes over free collage. In many cases a skilled trade is more valuable than a throw away degree. And it should be on the college level to stop shaming degrees. Which leads to millions of people with debt they can't pay and a job they'll never get.
this is indirectly my biggest problem with bernie's free education thing,.. it is very much skued to white collar workers. 

i have no problems with government doing it's part to ensure a healthly economy.  things like unemployment makes sense to me.  i little help in a person's time of need can help prevent foreclosures and the such i think america sees an economic benefit greater than the investment.  but a college education is what makes someone rich or at least upper middle class and higher.  it's a redistribution of wealth in the wrong direction.  also if everyone had a college degree then standards would just rise to require a masters degree.

i love education and think it is very important to everyone's well being but there needs to be cost/benefit analysis too. 

Quote from: Legend on Jul 25, 2016, 04:47 PMK-12 education should get increased funding and "beefed" up imo. That's already free so why not improve it first?
yes.  agreed.  but there is a federal vs. state issue there.

Quote from: the-Pi-guy on Jul 25, 2016, 03:55 PMAnd that would be fantastic.  
Or at least vet the students and ask them what they really plan to do with their degree.  

"You're getting a woman's studies degree and you have absolutely no plan for it; yeah find something else."
"You're getting a woman's studies degree and you're planning a PhD in the subject?  Welcome aboard, woman are weird and mysterious, we need people like you to figure them out.  I wish you luck."
Quote from: Raven on Jul 25, 2016, 04:14 PMMy friend went to school for graphic design. Was in debt for several tens of thousands. Paid it all back over the years. Never did anything with it. I'm not up for tax money being spent that way.

Billie Jean should have never received such significant government loans to go to school. Especially if her field of study is psychology. A flooded field of study. Billie Jean should have first proven she was worth being helped with her debt or she shouldn't have risked it in the first place. She made a choice of risk/reward. This isn't medical care like everyone needs. It's an attempt to improve your value so you can climb the class ladder.

No one should get free college for going to school for something that is purely about improving their own personal wealth or something lIke gender studies. You want my tax money? Go to school for something that will improve human society and we'll talk about how much of your debt you deserve to be forgiven on based on your performance. I'm not going to be forced to pay for someone to major in philosophy so they can get the only job that qualifies them for. Teaching philosophy.
But Tacos! Underwater basket weaving, the history of the patriarchy, and the deep literary ramifications of the Twilight novels are just as legit fields of study as nuclear engineering, genetics, and computer science!

this is one area where i'm in agreement even with filthy republicans.  :P

paying someone to get a college degree they aren't going to use is a waste and happens too much already even with people paying their entire tuition.  too many kids are using college as a way to just avoid starting life.  if we ever did "free college education" then i'd want a system that is a big more fluid. 

every year the government run some sort of economic analysis generating a report on which professions need more people.   right now i think nurses and software developers are in very high demand.  the government provides a helpful (but not 100%) contribution to getting people training in those fields.  the list would be prorated too so that only the highest demand careers are highly funded and each rank below loses funding until it runs out around the 10-20 mark or whatever makes sense.
         

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Raven

Quote from: kitler53 on Jul 25, 2016, 06:26 PMthis is indirectly my biggest problem with bernie's free education thing,.. it is very much skued to white collar workers.  

i have no problems with government doing it's part to ensure a healthly economy.  things like unemployment makes sense to me.  i little help in a person's time of need can help prevent foreclosures and the such i think america sees an economic benefit greater than the investment.  but a college education is what makes someone rich or at least upper middle class and higher.  it's a redistribution of wealth in the wrong direction.  also if everyone had a college degree then standards would just rise to require a masters degree.

i love education and think it is very important to everyone's well being but there needs to be cost/benefit analysis too.  
yes.  agreed.  but there is a federal vs. state issue there.

this is one area where i'm in agreement even with filthy republicans.  :P

paying someone to get a college degree they aren't going to use is a waste and happens too much already even with people paying their entire tuition.  too many kids are using college as a way to just avoid starting life.  if we ever did "free college education" then i'd want a system that is a big more fluid.  

every year the government run some sort of economic analysis generating a report on which professions need more people.   right now i think nurses and software developers are in very high demand.  the government provides a helpful (but not 100%) contribution to getting people training in those fields.  the list would be prorated too so that only the highest demand careers are highly funded and each rank below loses funding until it runs out around the 10-20 mark or whatever makes sense.
Oh god. I've been labeled a Republican?! KILL ME!

Seriously though, I like the idea of government enticing people into a field of study by offering to pay a certain percentage. That also helps to show people there are jobs waiting in those fields instead of being afraid to go into debt with no employment on the other side.

I don't want us paying for the liberal arts degree of some hipster jackass whose greatest contribution to America and humanity will be when they finally die. I don't want us to pay for my friend's degree in his next short term passion  as it just sits there and collects dust.

Higher education is not a right. It's something to be worked for and earned. Giving a nationwide hand me out of college degrees so that anyone can climb the class ladder just raises the bar in a bad way.

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Xevross

All the speeches at the DNC have been so much better than the RNC

kitler53

Quote from: Xevross on Jul 28, 2016, 10:31 AMAll the speeches at the DNC have been so much better than the RNC
but the lack the fearmongering so the press has ignored them.
         

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Raven

For the life of me I cannot understand why anyone thinks voting for that guy is a good idea. Like, even if you despise Clinton you must have the sense to look at Trump and think, "Yeah. I'd rather she lie to me every day than give your drunk dog the keys to my car with me in it".

the-pi-guy

Quote from: Raven on Aug 02, 2016, 09:32 PMFor the life of me I cannot understand why anyone thinks voting for that guy is a good idea. Like, even if you despise Clinton you must have the sense to look at Trump and think, "Yeah. I'd rather she lie to me every day than give your drunk dog the keys to my car with me in it".
Censored this said give your drunk dog the keys to my car, and I thought it was amazing.  

"Would you rather vote Republican for a drunk dog who will be driving this car, pulling a wagon filled with babies or would you rather vote Democrat for a liar?"

It seems like they don't listen to Trump at all.  

QuotePerry agreed. "Well, it's not. It's a wall, but it's a technological wall, it's a digital wall." He added: "There are some that hear this is going to be 1,200 miles from Brownsville to El Paso, 30-foot high, and listen, I know you can't do that."

"I have called it a virtual wall," he said. "Maybe we will be building a wall over some aspects of it; I don't know."

Rick Perry: Donald Trump Won't Actually Build a Physical Wall on the Mexican Border - The Atlantic

Aura7541

Quote from: Raven on Aug 02, 2016, 09:32 PMFor the life of me I cannot understand why anyone thinks voting for that guy is a good idea. Like, even if you despise Clinton you must have the sense to look at Trump and think, "Yeah. I'd rather she lie to me every day than give your drunk dog the keys to my car with me in it".
They're both full of shame, honestly. We're pretty much iced either way.

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