Will Trump be the next US president?

Started by Legend, Jan 13, 2016, 03:31 AM

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the-pi-guy

Personally, this is tough but probably:
Bernie>Jeb  :(  > Kasich > Hillary > Robotio (Rubio) > Trump > Cruz

Jeb was kinda interesting.  But Kasich and Jeb are my fav's on the republican side because they aren't so dedicated to blaming the other side.  They don't blame Obama for every little thing.  They don't bash people just because they're not voting for them.  

Max King of the Wild

#166
God, bernie is the worst choice and never had a shot in hell. Don't know why there were so many delusional people who thought so. NBC is pretty much calling it a sweep for Hillary in all but one state.

So Trump vs Hillary.

Can we just leave it vacated for 4 years?

Cruz and Rubio voters would be unhappy with Trump as the Republican candidate in November. A majority of Trump voters would be unhappy with any other candidate getting the nomination. Is this a problem for the Republican party in the general election?

kitler53

Quote from: Max King of the Wild on Mar 02, 2016, 01:36 AMGod, bernie is the worst choice and never had a shot in hell. Don't know why there were so many delusional people who thought so. NBC is pretty much calling it a sweep for Hillary in all but one state.

So Trump vs Hillary.

Can we just leave it vacated for 4 years?

Cruz and Rubio voters would be unhappy with Trump as the Republican candidate in November. A majority of Trump voters would be unhappy with any other candidate getting the nomination. Is this a problem for the Republican party in the general election?
i hope so.
         

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the-pi-guy

Quote from: Max King of the Wild on Mar 02, 2016, 01:36 AMGod, bernie is the worst choice and never had a shot in hell. Don't know why there were so many delusional people who thought so. NBC is pretty much calling it a sweep for Hillary in all but one state.

So Trump vs Hillary.

Can we just leave it vacated for 4 years?

Cruz and Rubio voters would be unhappy with Trump as the Republican candidate in November. A majority of Trump voters would be unhappy with any other candidate getting the nomination. Is this a problem for the Republican party in the general election?

Bernie wasn't going to win, but he is doing way way better than he should be doing.  

Think it's definitely an issue.  Hillary is somewhat divisive, but Trump is much more so.  

Aura7541

Quote from: Max King of the Wild on Mar 02, 2016, 01:36 AMGod, bernie is the worst choice and never had a shot in hell. Don't know why there were so many delusional people who thought so. NBC is pretty much calling it a sweep for Hillary in all but one state.

So Trump vs Hillary.

Can we just leave it vacated for 4 years?

Cruz and Rubio voters would be unhappy with Trump as the Republican candidate in November. A majority of Trump voters would be unhappy with any other candidate getting the nomination. Is this a problem for the Republican party in the general election?
I am really skeptical of whether Bernie's economic policies will actually work, either from an economic or social standpoint. One of his talking points that always bugged was "free college". I immediately approached this concept with skepticism for multiple reasons. Where will the money come from to cover the students' tuition costs? Will it compromise meritocracy?

As for Trump, I really don't know what he genuinely stands for. I feel that he's doing what Hillary is doing: saying the right things to pander to the voterbase. Anyways, this is a bit of a red herring and to answer your question, I don't think it will be a problem for the Republican Party, that is if Trump doesn't end up taking off his metaphorical mask. Historically, the GOP has done a much better job mobilizing voters than the Democratic Party.

the-pi-guy

Quote from: Aura7541 on Mar 02, 2016, 04:05 AMI am really skeptical of whether Bernie's economic policies will actually work, either from an economic or social standpoint. One of his talking points that always bugged was "free college". I immediately approached this concept with skepticism for multiple reasons. Where will the money come from to cover the student

Close taxing loopholes on businesses.  Higher end people pay a smaller percentage of taxes than upper middle class.  Warren Buffet was talking about how he pays 17% in taxes.  
A lot of businesses pay in ways that are taxed lower, they hide earnings and that's where a lot of it is supposed to come from.  
Most of Sander's policies are the norm in Europe. Healthcare is basically all of Europe, Japan and Canada.  Some countries also have no tuition.  I can go to Germany right now as a US citizen and get higher education for free.  

The government currently pays gigantic amounts of money for things.  
Did you hear about the 1.5 trillion dollar jet that doesn't perform?  
That could go for a lot of free college.


Aura7541

Quote from: the-Pi-guy on Mar 02, 2016, 04:28 AMClose taxing loopholes on businesses.  Higher end people pay a smaller percentage of taxes than upper middle class.  Warren Buffet was talking about how he pays 17% in taxes. 
A lot of businesses pay in ways that are taxed lower, they hide earnings and that's where a lot of it is supposed to come from. 
Most of Sander's policies are the norm in Europe. Healthcare is basically all of Europe, Japan and Canada.  Some countries also have no tuition.  I can go to Germany right now as a US citizen and get higher education for free. 

The government currently pays gigantic amounts of money for things. 
Did you hear about the 1.5 trillion dollar jet that doesn't perform? 
That could go for a lot of free college.
Ah, thanks for explaining.

Even so, I still don't agree with the concept of free college because of my belief in a meritocratic system when it comes to education. I think providing financial aid to good students (and full aid for the exceptional) is a better idea because it hammers in the point to do well in school. Bringing some of that money to fund additional programs and learning tools to schools in low income areas will also be a better idea.

Max King of the Wild

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I'm calling Arkansas a three way tie. Tex was closer than it should have been





Sanders pulled out a couple upsets but other than the 3 he pulled out and his home state landslide win, it wasn't even close. Trump takes most on Republican side.

Dr. Pezus

Quote from: Aura7541 on Mar 02, 2016, 04:31 AMAh, thanks for explaining.

Even so, I still don't agree with the concept of free college because of my belief in a meritocratic system when it comes to education. I think providing financial aid to good students (and full aid for the exceptional) is a better idea because it hammers in the point to do well in school. Bringing some of that money to fund additional programs and learning tools to schools in low income areas will also be a better idea.
But when people get unequal opportunities for education based on clsss/money you will obviously tend to get less people in the lower classes that can do well and therefore you exacerbate the problem, making them also less likely to earn more money etc

the-pi-guy

I also want to point out it is only for public schools.  Private schools will be able to charge whatever.  There are still expenses that come with school even ignoring tuition.  Those people would still have to figure out ways to pay for food and housing and books.  Getting rid of tuition would still be huge for a lot of people, it's probably 90% of my college expense.  

So there would still be room for grants and scholarships, tuition would not be a part of it though.  
Which is really something I want to see.  I think there needs to be more focus for education and science.  

Aura7541

Quote from: Dr. Pezus on Mar 02, 2016, 01:28 PMBut when people get unequal opportunities for education based on clsss/money you will obviously tend to get less people in the lower classes that can do well and therefore you exacerbate the problem, making them also less likely to earn more money etc
Hence my last sentence: allocating taxpayer money to schools of low income areas so they have the capacity to teach students more effectively. It's not going to eliminate all educational inequality, but it does, at least, help low income students to jump higher rather than having the bar lowered for them.

Mmm_fish_tacos

You know what would also help? Stop requiring degrees for battleship jobs that don't need them.

the-pi-guy

Quote from: Mmm_fish_tacos on Mar 02, 2016, 03:11 PMYou know what would also help? Stop requiring degrees for battleship jobs that don't need them.
Accurate.  

Aura7541

Quote from: Mmm_fish_tacos on Mar 02, 2016, 03:11 PMYou know what would also help? Stop requiring degrees for battleship jobs that don't need them.
As well as stop offering battleship degrees, though this is one of the ways universities earn their money, so I doubt they'll actually put a stop to fake degrees.

the-pi-guy

Quote from: Aura7541 on Mar 02, 2016, 07:06 PMAs well as stop offering battleship degrees, though this is one of the ways universities earn their money, so I doubt they'll actually put a stop to fake degrees.

Hey, a degree in women's studies is very valuable.