This is why I want 10 year console cycles

[Kerotan]

A console from 2005 can pull this off.  I don't want a PS5 within 5, 6 or 7 years of buying a ps4. The rate at which graphics are improving is slowing so there's even less reason to have it shorter than last gen.  

I want 8 years with the console I bought day 1 and then 2 years of support for it after I've bought the successor.  Basically exactly what we got with the 360 and the ps3.

People who want to pay 400$ every 5 years just buy a pc.

[kitler53]

i agree.

[Legend]

I'd love it if all generations were about as long as last, but mobile is changing the landscape. If smartphone games eclipse PS4 graphics before next gen starts, Sony has done something seriously wrong.


Next gen will see large shakeups to the console business model. Nintendo is switching to an ecosystem model with NX, and Sony will probably do the same.

[darkknightkryta]

Except the Xbox One came out 8 years after the 360 came out.  What makes you think stretching the PS4/Xbox One's life cycle to the same amount will result in a different result?

[Mmm_fish_tacos]

I'm running two 970s and even then games dont look a world apart.  Better yes, but not that great. Now I do get mad frame rates but that's another issue.  

[Rorono]

"The rate at which graphics are improving" slowed down exactly because of how long last gen lasted.. That was the effect, not a cause
Anyway it depends on how the systems are. Last gen should have been cut short much sooner because they were not ready for what they wanted to be.. All those new functions that made them more PC like and less traditional console resulted in bloated, slow and frustrating systems to use. The PS4 handles things well though so I guess I'm fine with it sticking around? Other than a couple of possible FW improvements I can't think of what more I want from it, it (almost) "hits the spot".

[Kerotan]

Except the Xbox One came out 8 years after the 360 came out.  What makes you think stretching the PS4/Xbox One's life cycle to the same amount will result in a different result?

That's what I said.  8 years on its own then 2 years after its successor where it gets support and that makes it a 10 year life cycle.  

"The rate at which graphics are improving" slowed down exactly because of how long last gen lasted.. That was the effect, not a cause
Anyway it depends on how the systems are. Last gen should have been cut short much sooner because they were not ready for what they wanted to be.. All those new functions that made them more PC like and less traditional console resulted in bloated, slow and frustrating systems to use. The PS4 handles things well though so I guess I'm fine with it sticking around? Other than a couple of possible FW improvements I can't think of what more I want from it, it (almost) "hits the spot".

But what benefit would it be enabling a faster growth of graphics.  Devs are already struggling to release games on time as it is.  Imagine if they were pushing boundaries at an even faster rate.  

If anything the twilight (extended)  years of a console are the best. I'm talking year 5/6/7/8. Because devs are on top of the graphics and not over whelmed.  Games release on time and run very well.  The last thing I want are those golden years replaced by a new console transition that brings all the first 2 year problems and divides friend groups and player bases.  

I'm certain there won't be a PS5 before the year 2020 and that's just the way I like it.

Oh and another positive is,  us console only gamers get blown away by the graphical leap the new gen brings.  If I was always using a top end pc or if the gens changed every 5 years the difference wouldn't be nearly as big.

[darkknightkryta]

That's what I said.  8 years on its own then 2 years after its successor where it gets support and that makes it a 10 year life cycle.  

That's part of your frustrations though.  It's been 8 years since the 360 launched and the Xbox One came out, yet there's not much difference graphically.  What would an equally long life cycle do?

[Legend]

That's part of your frustrations though.  It's been 8 years since the 360 launched and the Xbox One came out, yet there's not much difference graphically.  What would an equally long life cycle do?

Limit that disappointment to only once a decade  

[darkknightkryta]

Limit that disappointment to only once a decade  

Fair enough.

[DerNebel]

Depends on if graphics over the generation are going to improve the same way they did last gen, many people seem certain they won't because of the technology being closer to the PC, but I'm not sure (maybe because I don't know my stuff when it comes to those things).
I'd like to see a UC1 to UC2 jump this gen as well. Or see series that only hit 30fps now, hit 60 by the end of the gen without much or any graphical sacrifice...
But no idea if that's even possible.

[Kerotan]

That's part of your frustrations though.  It's been 8 years since the 360 launched and the Xbox One came out, yet there's not much difference graphically.  What would an equally long life cycle do?

There is a different graphically and the ps3-ps4 is a nice upgrade.  I'm just saying that if the generation was 3 years less then the differance wouldn't justify the gen at all.  Basically we need long gens for them to be viable and I can easily put up with the graphics even in the twilight years.

Depends on if graphics over the generation are going to improve the same way they did last gen, many people seem certain they won't because of the technology being closer to the PC, but I'm not sure (maybe because I don't know my stuff when it comes to those things).
I'd like to see a UC1 to UC2 jump this gen as well. Or see series that only hit 30fps now, hit 60 by the end of the gen without much or any graphical sacrifice...
But no idea if that's even possible.

In 6 years I want the PS5 to be able to play big open world games at a rock steady 1080p 60fps and some other games at 4k 30/60fps.

[BananaKing]

id rather have a console for 6 or 7 years. seems like a long time and a good amount of time to give first party devs to really pump out some games for the system, since development takes really long now.

[Legend]

In 6 years I want the PS5 to be able to play big open world games at a rock steady 1080p 60fps and some other games at 4k 30/60fps.

By then, 4k TVs will probably be somewhat standard. Games will probably be around 1440p though, like last gen where games were 720p instead of 1080p.


60fps will not increase in popularity probably.

[Kerotan]

By then, 4k TVs will probably be somewhat standard. Games will probably be around 1440p though, like last gen where games were 720p instead of 1080p.


60fps will not increase in popularity probably.

I'm good with 30fps but more is always good.  I'm also good if 4k isn't the standard but it would be nice if some linear games and indies pushed it.