PS4 limited edition Star Wars announced

[Max King of the Wild]

Just watched announcement trailer... Epic lol

I didn't realize it said star wars all over the console.

It also says star wars on the touch pad

[Raven]

If they don't announce a price for this before Paris Games Week and don't have it available for pre-order, I'm almost certain it's because they're going to announce a price drop first. It's about time for it to happen, it would be right before the big holiday rush, and would cause a huge surge in sales with the Battlefront bundle releasing just a couple weeks later. If that's not the case then there is really no reason to not announce a price now and let the pre-orders begin.

[Aura7541]

If they don't announce a price for this before Paris Games Week and don't have it available for pre-order, I'm almost certain it's because they're going to announce a price drop first. It's about time for it to happen, it would be right before the big holiday rush, and would cause a huge surge in sales with the Battlefront bundle releasing just a couple weeks later. If that's not the case then there is really no reason to not announce a price now and let the pre-orders begin.

I think it's also because Sony doesn't want Battlefront to cannibalize from the Taken King LE bundle. We should definitely keep a close eye between its release and PGW.

[Raven]

I think it's also because Sony doesn't want Battlefront to cannibalize from the Taken King LE bundle. We should definitely keep a close eye between its release and PGW.

Possibly, though if I were Sony I wouldn't be concerned about that. I mean, if they were really all that concerned about sales dropping on the Taken King bundle then they should have waited until after it released to announce a couple Battlefront bundles. The ones who would prefer Battlefront are just going to wait and the ones who want The Taken King will still buy that bundle now instead. Besides, one way or the other Sony is going to move a lot of units. Regardless, I think Sony is going to come prepared this year. Last year they waited right until Black Friday to unleash their big counterattack with a GTA/TLOU bundle. They didn't even have enough units to keep that sale up. Pretty sure if they did they might have actually won December last year.

[Aura7541]

Possibly, though if I were Sony I wouldn't be concerned about that. I mean, if they were really all that concerned about sales dropping on the Taken King bundle then they should have waited until after it released to announce a couple Battlefront bundles. The ones who would prefer Battlefront are just going to wait and the ones who want The Taken King will still buy that bundle now instead. Besides, one way or the other Sony is going to move a lot of units. Regardless, I think Sony is going to come prepared this year. Last year they waited right until Black Friday to unleash their big counterattack with a GTA/TLOU bundle. They didn't even have enough units to keep that sale up. Pretty sure if they did they might have actually won December last year.

Fair point. I would say Sony is already more prepared this year. MS can't depend on the surprise factor again since it has already played that card (unless they're really desperate). The announcement of the Assassin's Creed bundle and $50 pricecut was unexpected. I think MS is going to resort to bundling more games rather than slashing the price this holiday season in order to avoid devaluing the XBO. While the $50 pricecut helped MS a lot last holiday season, it didn't do much favors right after.

It's going to be a battle of Battlefront & Black Ops vs. Halo 5 & Fallout 4. MS has Tomb Raider, but preorders have not been so good. Sony also has marketing rights to AC: Syndicate, though I doubt it'll make an Syndicate bundle. Maybe Sony will put it in a Black Friday bundle. It'll also be interesting to see how Persona 5 will do assuming Atlus USA stays true to its word.

[Raven]

Fair point. I would say Sony is already more prepared this year. MS can't depend on the surprise factor again since it has already played that card (unless they're really desperate). The announcement of the Assassin's Creed bundle and $50 pricecut was unexpected. I think MS is going to resort to bundling more games rather than slashing the price this holiday season in order to avoid devaluing the XBO. While the $50 pricecut helped MS a lot last holiday season, it didn't do much favors right after.

It's going to be a battle of Battlefront & Black Ops vs. Halo 5 & Fallout 4. MS has Tomb Raider, but preorders have not been so good. Sony also has marketing rights to AC: Syndicate, though I doubt it'll make an Syndicate bundle. Maybe Sony will put it in a Black Friday bundle. It'll also be interesting to see how Persona 5 will do assuming Atlus USA stays true to its word.

I'm having a hard time imagining Fallout 4 giving Microsoft any kind of edge. Games like that do not fit the mold of what the typical Xbox demographic plays. Lengthy RPGs just aren't that big of a deal to your average Xbox gamer. We already saw how that played out with Dragon Age, Final Fantasy, and The Witcher. Granted, Fallout is also an FPS which is something usually associated more with Xbox but that alone doesn't matter. As far as we can see from Amazon, the PS4 version has maintained a healthy gap against the X1 version.

Strangely enough, it seems Black Ops 3 is also favoring PS4. Yes, Sony has the marketing rights but looking at the Amazon pre-orders in July, the PS4 version had a considerable lead on the X1 version. Xbox was the home of Call of Duty. You'd think it would take a little longer than this for the tables to turn. Then you look at what is happening on Amazon right now and the standard retail PS4 version is in first for hourly sales with the digital version in fourth. The X1 retail version is in fifth. Let that sink in. There are two PS4 versions of the game currently outselling the X1 version. That means that at the very least the PS4 version is currently selling twice as many copies on Amazon. Clearly the lack of a digital X1 version is a factor there but the fact that the retail version is behind both PS4 versions definitely tells us that Call of Duty may just as much have a new home among gamers as it does the marketing teams.

That's not even mentioning Metal Gear Solid 5. I'm pretty sure we all know how that's going to go down based on the history of the franchise and the significant difference in sales between PS4 and X1 for Ground Zeroes. Though just for the sake of it, look at the current state of Amazon. The PS4 version is in 13th and the X1 version is 165th. The last time we saw a gap like this with a big Japanese game at this point prior to release was Final Fantasy Type-0 which ended up selling almost 4-to-1 in favor of PS4 just in the US. I'm pretty sure this game will carry some weight for PS4 into the holidays.

Yeah, Rise of the Tomb Raider is looking like it will be, at least initially, a commercial flop. It is currently 429th for the X1 version. Street Fighter 5 isn't releasing for a long time yet and it's sitting at 316th. All of the other big new games coming this holiday season are well within the top 100 and have been. Hell, the Uncharted collection is 185th right now. Well ahead of Tomb Raider. Even Forza Motorsport 6 is releasing in less than a month and it's only sitting at 152nd. Anything can change between now and then but if you look at how things are shaping up now, it's almost as if the X1 really only has Halo 5 to carry it. It looks like every major third-party title, all of which carry significant weight, will be selling more on PS4 and the exclusive titles Microsoft is releasing around Halo 5 will all just be flashes in the pan. If PS4 outsells X1 in the US during the holidays even with nothing to counter Halo 5, might as well write the X1 off for the US. You aren't going to see Quantum Break succeed where Halo 5 failed months later.

[the-pi-guy]

Don't forget the digital deluxe version for PS4 in 3rd.  

[Raven]

Don't forget the digital deluxe version for PS4 in 3rd.  

Holy shame I didn't even see that. Make that at least 3 times as many copies on Amazon right now.

[Aura7541]

I'm having a hard time imagining Fallout 4 giving Microsoft any kind of edge. Games like that do not fit the mold of what the typical Xbox demographic plays. Lengthy RPGs just aren't that big of a deal to your average Xbox gamer. We already saw how that played out with Dragon Age, Final Fantasy, and The Witcher. Granted, Fallout is also an FPS which is something usually associated more with Xbox but that alone doesn't matter. As far as we can see from Amazon, the PS4 version has maintained a healthy gap against the X1 version.

Strangely enough, it seems Black Ops 3 is also favoring PS4. Yes, Sony has the marketing rights but looking at the Amazon pre-orders in July, the PS4 version had a considerable lead on the X1 version. Xbox was the home of Call of Duty. You'd think it would take a little longer than this for the tables to turn. Then you look at what is happening on Amazon right now and the standard retail PS4 version is in first for hourly sales with the digital version in fourth. The X1 retail version is in fifth. Let that sink in. There are two PS4 versions of the game currently outselling the X1 version. That means that at the very least the PS4 version is currently selling twice as many copies on Amazon. Clearly the lack of a digital X1 version is a factor there but the fact that the retail version is behind both PS4 versions definitely tells us that Call of Duty may just as much have a new home among gamers as it does the marketing teams.

That's not even mentioning Metal Gear Solid 5. I'm pretty sure we all know how that's going to go down based on the history of the franchise and the significant difference in sales between PS4 and X1 for Ground Zeroes. Though just for the sake of it, look at the current state of Amazon. The PS4 version is in 13th and the X1 version is 165th. The last time we saw a gap like this with a big Japanese game at this point prior to release was Final Fantasy Type-0 which ended up selling almost 4-to-1 in favor of PS4 just in the US. I'm pretty sure this game will carry some weight for PS4 into the holidays.

Yeah, Rise of the Tomb Raider is looking like it will be, at least initially, a commercial flop. It is currently 429th for the X1 version. Street Fighter 5 isn't releasing for a long time yet and it's sitting at 316th. All of the other big new games coming this holiday season are well within the top 100 and have been. Hell, the Uncharted collection is 185th right now. Well ahead of Tomb Raider. Even Forza Motorsport 6 is releasing in less than a month and it's only sitting at 152nd. Anything can change between now and then but if you look at how things are shaping up now, it's almost as if the X1 really only has Halo 5 to carry it. It looks like every major third-party title, all of which carry significant weight, will be selling more on PS4 and the exclusive titles Microsoft is releasing around Halo 5 will all just be flashes in the pan. If PS4 outsells X1 in the US during the holidays even with nothing to counter Halo 5, might as well write the X1 off for the US. You aren't going to see Quantum Break succeed where Halo 5 failed months later.

We don't know what MS will do with Fallout 4, yet. Next thing we know, they pull a fast one and announce a Fallout 4 bundle at the end of October. In addition, the XBO version will be getting mods first, though I have no idea how much that will influence the sales split. I would like to hear Abdiel's take on this on GAF. Though yes, you have a point with the WRPG argument. The Witcher III sales indicate that the PS4 has a significantly larger attach rate of WRPG fans. The PS4 version sold 2x in the US/UK in spite of (1) MS having marketing rights and (2) the series never being on Playstation prior to this iteration.

As Pi said, the PS4 version of Black Ops 3 is actually tripling the sales of the XBO version on Amazon. Getting the beta first and grabbing the competitive COD base have played a major role in this. Now Sony just needs to announce a Black Ops 3 bundle for the finishing touch and perhaps, bundle in the Uncharted Collection, too, for Black Friday.

Agreed on Metal Gear Solid 5. If only SCEA decided to release the LE bundle...

I mostly agree with the last paragraph, too. Halo 5 might not be the only hardware mover if MS is planning on releasing a Fallout 4 bundle, but we'll see. I'm curious to see how MS will handle next holiday season. There won't be another Halo or Fallout because they aren't annual franchises. The Forza Horizon series is less popular than the mainline Forza series and Gears is not as strong as it was in the 360 days. MS can probably try to nab marketing rights to one major 3rd party title, but Sony will do so with multiple others.

[the-pi-guy]

I kinda expect Fallout 4 to be about even.  Probably a slight advantage on Xbox side.  
Star Wars, Call of Duty, MGS, and probably several other major titles that are eluding me at the moment, will likely either be major wins or slaughters.

Forza and Gears won't make a major impact.  
Halo 5 will be pretty big, but I don't think it'll be as big as some others.  

[Raven]

We don't know what MS will do with Fallout 4, yet. Next thing we know, they pull a fast one and announce a Fallout 4 bundle at the end of October. In addition, the XBO version will be getting mods first, though I have no idea how much that will influence the sales split. I would like to hear Abdiel's take on this on GAF. Though yes, you have a point with the WRPG argument. The Witcher III sales indicate that the PS4 has a significantly larger attach rate of WRPG fans. The PS4 version sold 2x in the US/UK in spite of (1) MS having marketing rights and (2) the series never being on Playstation prior to this iteration.

As Pi said, the PS4 version of Black Ops 3 is actually tripling the sales of the XBO version on Amazon. Getting the beta first and grabbing the competitive COD base have played a major role in this. Now Sony just needs to announce a Black Ops 3 bundle for the finishing touch and perhaps, bundle in the Uncharted Collection, too, for Black Friday.

Agreed on Metal Gear Solid 5. If only SCEA decided to release the LE bundle...

I mostly agree with the last paragraph, too. Halo 5 might not be the only hardware mover if MS is planning on releasing a Fallout 4 bundle, but we'll see. I'm curious to see how MS will handle next holiday season. There won't be another Halo or Fallout because they aren't annual franchises. The Forza Horizon series is less popular than the mainline Forza series and Gears is not as strong as it was in the 360 days. MS can probably try to nab marketing rights to one major 3rd party title, but Sony will do so with multiple others.

I suppose that depends on just how many official bundles Microsoft wants to put out this year and what they are. Though I don't think that, even bundled, Fallout 4 will help much. I'm going to guess that most will be grabbing whatever bundles have Halo 5. Unless they have a Fallout 4 bundle that is selling for the price of Microsoft lighting a barrel of cash on fire.

I kinda expect Fallout 4 to be about even.  Probably a slight advantage on Xbox side.  
Star Wars, Call of Duty, MGS, and probably several other major titles that are eluding me at the moment, will likely either be major wins or slaughters.

Forza and Gears won't make a major impact.  
Halo 5 will be pretty big, but I don't think it'll be as big as some others.  

I think Forza's time is over. Then again, I think the same way about simulation racers in general.

[Aura7541]

I suppose that depends on just how many official bundles Microsoft wants to put out this year and what they are. Though I don't think that, even bundled, Fallout 4 will help much. I'm going to guess that most will be grabbing whatever bundles have Halo 5. Unless they have a Fallout 4 bundle that is selling for the price of Microsoft lighting a barrel of cash on fire.

I think Forza's time is over. Then again, I think the same way about simulation racers in general.

To be fair, the Halo 5 bundle is quite expensive ($399). Introducing a Fallout 4 bundle at $349 will move quite a bit of hardware, in my opinion. That said, I think it's still not enough to counter Black Ops 3 and Star Wars. The former is a juggernaut because it's a COD game. Star Wars is not only popular among gamers, but also among the general public. One of the bundles includes Disney Infinity, which will draw in the younger demographic. On top of that, Episode VII will provide additional awareness of Battlefront and Disney will also do a lot of advertising.

The market for sim racers is still pretty big. Driveclub, while not being a pure sim, is doing quite well. It has outperformed Forza Horizon 2 and likely outsold Forza 5, too. Fingers crossed for a GT7 announcement at Paris >_<