We, Robot (presentation about robot cars tonight)

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Legend

#45
Oct 12, 2024, 06:03 PM
Quote from: Dr. Pezus on Oct 12, 2024, 12:18 PMWait, Tesla stock crashed following this. Looks good to me?
It's somewhat standard for the stock to go down after an announcement. Random prediction I saw before the event was that the stock would drop 10%.

Quote from: kitler53 on Oct 12, 2024, 01:18 PMcry wolf syndrome. 

elon refused to talk details.  this is not the first time elon promised something big only to take 6+ years to deliver anything. 

specifically elon refused an update on the affordable version of a car. with shipments of cars contracting that's what he needs to deliver.
lol "refused an update on the affordable version of a car." This event, for half a year, has been advertised as the announcement of their self driving taxi car. I don't disagree that investors would have preferred updates about that instead but it's laughably silly to describe it as refusing an update.

It is funny though how bad his self driving predictions have been.
With a human in the seat to intervein in emergencies and to charge the car, they probably could have pulled this off for a 2018 youtube video. It'd just need a very specific route to avoid anything complex. Also might need a fair amount of attempts.

The software the public has today could probably do this in one attempt, but that's still obviously not the same as it being reliable enough to work without a human in the seat. And again there wouldn't be a way to charge the car.


Will be interesting to see how their rollout of true driverless goes. They're so far ahead of everyone else working on self driving cars but they're also working on the hardest problem, true universal autonomy. They might have to geofence to specific cities like Waymo and Cruise give their cars something to do if the software is still not finished.

kitler53

#46
Oct 12, 2024, 07:21 PM
I don't know what to tell you dude,.. I read a lot of financial publications and that was a major part of most articles.   

tesla is trading with some huge multiples only justified by companies with large growth.  this year shipments have trended down.  the markets want to see a path to growth and elon did now show any concrete plan for the required growth within the next 24 months.  

frankly with his all out support for trump there is good reason to see huge declines.   in neighborhoods like mine where Tesla was a status symbol a few years ago it's now a mark of shame.  
         

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Legend

#47
Oct 12, 2024, 08:11 PM
Quote from: kitler53 on Oct 12, 2024, 07:21 PMI don't know what to tell you dude,.. I read a lot of financial publications and that was a major part of most articles.  

tesla is trading with some huge multiples only justified by companies with large growth.  this year shipments have trended down.  the markets want to see a path to growth and elon did now show any concrete plan for the required growth within the next 24 months.  

frankly with his all out support for trump there is good reason to see huge declines.   in neighborhoods like mine where Tesla was a status symbol a few years ago it's now a mark of shame.  


Did you not even read my post?

kitler53

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Oct 14, 2024, 03:07 PM
         

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Legend

#49
Oct 14, 2024, 03:53 PM

kitler53

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Oct 14, 2024, 04:02 PM
Quote from: Legend on Oct 14, 2024, 03:53 PM
..but for real my son for the first time ever ran into one of those "are you a robot" verification things maybe a week ago.  the one that looks like this:




and i laughed a bit thinking a robot will totally be able to pass this check now.
         

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Legend

#51
Oct 14, 2024, 04:31 PM
Captcha is dead. No way to tell humans and AI apart with simple tests anymore.

It's crazy/funny that for many decades passing the turing test was seen as the holly grail and the end of the road. Now it's just kinda annoying having AIs that can pass for humans.

the-pi-guy

#52
Oct 14, 2024, 04:34 PM
Quote from: Legend on Oct 14, 2024, 04:31 PMCaptcha is dead. No way to tell humans and AI apart with simple tests anymore.
Just ask how many r's are in the word strawberry.  

Legend

#53
Oct 14, 2024, 05:09 PM
Quote from: the-Pi-guy on Oct 14, 2024, 04:34 PMJust ask how many r's are in the word strawberry.  
Gpt4o fixed that a few months ago. We are doomed!

Actually thinking about that though, I wonder if Tesla's models will be the end of tokens in ai. Tesla AI, as far as I understand it, works on raw pixels. It's millions of times more data input than chatgpt can handle. Chatgpt type llms with that type of input would allow them to read letter by letter no problem.

Legend

#54
Oct 17, 2024, 09:20 AM Last Edit: Oct 17, 2024, 09:30 AM by Legend

Awesome to see an update. I assume this footage was recorded a while ago but re-edited to help people understand that Optimus really is autonomously capable of everything shown at the event (except talking).

The last clip shows it autonomously handing out items just like at We, Robot. I assume they had to switch to teleoperation to ensure the handoff was reliable enough.


The autonomous actions are really really impressive and starting to flex on other companies. It's subtle but Optimus comes across as a person in a suit. It has body language and smoothly blends between motions. Compare that to this older demo from figure. Figure is using ChatGPT to listen to the language and then select commands from a list, while Optimus is an always running neural net with pixels in and motor controls out.


Personally I'm really excited about seeing it walk up stairs. That's been a big thing I've been waiting to see. Looks pretty great. Doesn't have the speed in the corner but it looks 1x based off the doors closing in the background. Optimus's right foot maybe hits a step and the bot quickly corrects which would be impressive, but I can't say for sure if it actually makes contact.

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