Fraud from America's top academics

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Harvard Professor Under Scrutiny for Alleged Data Fraud - By Evan Nesterak - Behavioral Scientist

Stanford president to resign over concerns about integrity of his research | California | The Guardian

[kitler53]

the difference between right and left can really be seen here:

On the left this leads to a resignation:

There was no investigation and no fraud discovered, the panel ruled. But it also concluded the paper had multiple problems, including a lack of rigor in its development and that the research that went into the paper and its presentation contained "various errors and shortcomings". The panel did not find evidence that Tessier-Lavigne was aware of the lack of rigor.

On the right trump has:
- caught on tape bragging about sexual assult
- payed a north star, ever shining so brightly for naughtiness while his wife was pregnant
- withheld arms to Ukraine to demand that a fraudulent case be open against biden's son
- withheld and mishandeled classified information from our government
- incited a riot against our country's capitol
- defended white nationalism  with the "blame on both sides" comment 
- ...which is only a top 6 of this guys massive list of shitbaggery.

....and will still be the republican presidential nominee for 2024.  

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the difference between right and left can really be seen here:

On the left this leads to a resignation:

On the right trump has:
- caught on tape bragging about sexual assult
- payed a north star, ever shining so brightly for naughtiness while his wife was pregnant
- withheld arms to Ukraine to demand that a fraudulent case be open against biden's son
- withheld and mishandeled classified information from our government
- incited a riot against our country's capitol
- defended white nationalism  with the "blame on both sides" comment
- ...which is only a top 6 of this guys massive list of shitbaggery.

....and will still be the republican presidential nominee for 2024. 

Pretty stupid example lol. I don't know anything beyond what's in the news, but lots of people are mad with how Stanford has handled this. It's not an example that should be used in any positive way.

Harvard case? Sure.

[kitler53]

Pretty stupid example lol. I don't know anything beyond what's in the news, but lots of people are mad with how Stanford has handled this. It's not an example that should be used in any positive way.

Harvard case? Sure.

all i know about the stanford case is what you posted in the guardian article.   it's not really making a case for "Fraud".   maybe it's just because i lived it but all i'm seeing is what happened in every lab at my university which is a ton of pressure to "produce something" leading to papers that rushed.

yet he's resigning.

mayhaps you'd prefer  a george santos link.  found one! https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/23/george-santos-congress-resume-fake-00075324

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all i know about the stanford case is what you posted in the guardian article.   it's not really making a case for "Fraud".   maybe it's just because i lived it but all i'm seeing is what happened in every lab at my university which is a ton of pressure to "produce something" leading to papers that rushed.

yet he's resigning.

mayhaps you'd prefer  a george santos link.  found one! https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/23/george-santos-congress-resume-fake-00075324

I'm just going off the video. The guardian article was just the first thing on google since I know people don't care to watch videos. The belief is that he knowingly and purposefully committed fraud and was protected by Stanford. It's way too early to act like its a success story.


This has nothing to do with politics. We can talk about smaller cases of potential fraud without having to bring up far worse offenders in unrelated fields.

[kitler53]

I'm just going off the video. The guardian article was just the first thing on google since I know people don't care to watch videos. The belief is that he knowingly and purposefully committed fraud and was protected by Stanford. It's way too early to act like its a success story.


This has nothing to do with politics. We can talk about smaller cases of potential fraud without having to bring up far worse offenders in unrelated fields.

well i watched the video a bit,.. just the allegations section.

i worked in the lab in both undergrad and while doing my phD.   i think it's quite important to point out that lab work isn't done by professionals.  it's done my students in training.   yes really cool stuff can come out of academic research but also a lot of mistakes get made.  also during my years as a phD we had 1 student kicked out of the program for doctoring their data as well.

....it's why "peer review" is sooo important.


i dunno, the "evidence" isn't exactly damning specifically to Mark.   Some of those "manipulations" presented aren't even clearly manipulations used to alter the conclusions of the paper.   Even in the papers I wrote I'd manipulate things simply for the purpose of better communication.  You don't want to put something into a paper that is a distraction to the reader.   Without the manipulations being tied to deliberate misrepresentations of the evidence i'm not convinced.