Disney is having a bad year at the box office

nnodley · Jul 16, 2023, 07:21 PM

Nah I really like Brie Larson. I'm a big fan of Iman vellani as ms marvel though. She was great I thought in the show

kitler53 · Jul 17, 2023, 03:21 PM

nope,.. i love allison brie as well. one of the sexiest women in hollywood...

Legend · Jul 21, 2023, 05:01 AM

Maybe kids like the young marvel, but she ruins any interest I could have in this movie. The acting just feels so fake.

nnodley · Jul 21, 2023, 02:11 PM

Quote from: Legend on Jul 21, 2023, 05:01 AMMaybe kids like the young marvel, but she ruins any interest I could have in this movie. The acting just feels so fake.

Nawww she's great. She's definitley not the absolute best, but i think she'll get way better.

Legend · Jul 25, 2023, 08:52 PM

Stock is at like a 9 year low and people still recommend selling. Don't know if Wish will do good enough to stop the trend, so maybe I should buy around the time Snow White releases.

kitler53 · Jul 25, 2023, 09:10 PM

Quote from: Legend on Jul 25, 2023, 08:52 PMStock is at like a 9 year low and people still recommend selling. Don't know if Wish will do good enough to stop the trend, so maybe I should buy around the time Snow White releases.

dis is on my watch list but so far i'm not buying.

dis really flattened out ~2015 and even though revenue has been up profit has been incredibly flat since 2015. PE of ~40 isn't all that cheap. i don't nessisarily think there is much downside from here but also i don't see any upside.
- conservatives are seemingly mad at disney.
- desantis is going out of his way to try an harm disney.
- the next couple of movies don't look like winners to me.
- writers and actors are on strike
- if jpow has a hard landing disney is more exposed to a recession than most.

i watch it every day. i kind of expect one day there will just be a sudden ~10% drop in price that will kick start a reverse trend. If i see that i'll probably buy.

Legend · Jul 26, 2023, 01:08 AM

Haunted Mansion Reviews - Metacritic

Quote from: kitler53 on Jul 25, 2023, 09:10 PMdis is on my watch list but so far i'm not buying.

dis really flattened out ~2015 and even though revenue has been up profit has been incredibly flat since 2015. PE of ~40 isn't all that cheap. i don't nessisarily think there is much downside from here but also i don't see any upside.
- conservatives are seemingly mad at disney.
- desantis is going out of his way to try an harm disney.
- the next couple of movies don't look like winners to me.
- writers and actors are on strike
- if jpow has a hard landing disney is more exposed to a recession than most.

i watch it every day. i kind of expect one day there will just be a sudden ~10% drop in price that will kick start a reverse trend. If i see that i'll probably buy.

They're also losing the theme park war. Epic Universe is overhyped so I think the best time to buy might be right before it opens.

the-pi-guy · Jul 27, 2023, 06:02 PM

$DIS - No More Mr. Nice Guy: Bob Iger May Just Want to Sell Disney and Be Donehttps://t.co/H0tRWwaJyc
— *Walter Bloomberg (@DeItaone) July 27, 2023

A lot of speculation I think.

Legend · Jul 27, 2023, 06:10 PM

Quote from: the-Pi-guy on Jul 27, 2023, 06:02 PM
$DIS - No More Mr. Nice Guy: Bob Iger May Just Want to Sell Disney and Be Donehttps://t.co/H0tRWwaJyc
— *Walter Bloomberg (@DeItaone) July 27, 2023

A lot of speculation I think.

Lol it's just about his strike comments?

Talk about reading into things. Iger might sell something but nothing in his history makes him look like a sell and shrink guy. He's the reason Disney bought Pixar, Marvel, Lucasfilm, and Fox.

Legend · Jul 28, 2023, 05:17 PM

Box Office: 'Haunted Mansion' Makes $3.1 Million in Previews - Variety

Haunted Mansion will join the list of box office failures with Ant Man, Little Mermaid, Elemental, and Indiana Jones.

Elemental is having great legs at least. Its final run will be better than about 25% of Pixar's movies and people seem to be enjoying it so hopefully no one gets fired.

the-pi-guy · Jul 28, 2023, 05:48 PM

Better than all the Covid Pixar movies, The Good Dinosaur.

So that's really good to see. I still haven't seen it. The story seems like it would be something I would like, even if the visuals don't always look good...

On a different topic, I can't remember where we were talking about the-numbers/boxofficemojo. It's not really important where.
But I feel like the-numbers has pretty much most of the data that I'd want (although I assume it doesn't go as far back as BOX); but I don't feel like the UI/UX is as good as BOM used to be. They used to be jam packed with comparisons.

Every title has this:
(edit: table is broken.

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the-pi-guy · Aug 08, 2023, 02:20 PM

Elemental has done okay.

Better than Cars 3.

This is total spin, but I think it's 6th out of 13 Pixar movies since 2015! (It helps that like 4 of the movies were Covid launches...)

Legend · Aug 08, 2023, 04:41 PM

Quote from: the-Pi-guy on Aug 08, 2023, 02:20 PMElemental has done okay.

Better than Cars 3.

This is total spin, but I think it's 6th out of 13 Pixar movies since 2015! (It helps that like 4 of the movies were Covid launches...)

Passing Cars 3 domestic was my metric for switching from a complete failure to a disappointment so it's great it managed that.

5th out of 12 if you start counting from winter 2015! (5th out of 8 if you remove covid launches)

Haunted Mansion however looks to be staying a complete failure. Cost $150 million to make yet will probably end up bellow $100 million world wide.

Legend · Aug 09, 2023, 07:04 PM

Disney's Q3 FY23 Earnings Results Webcast - The Walt Disney Company

the-pi-guy · Aug 09, 2023, 07:21 PM

Was expecting this to be posted..

Interview with Pixar president

QuoteWill "Elemental" be profitable?

We have a lot of different revenue streams, but at the box office we're looking at now, it should do better than break even theatrically. And then we have revenue from streaming, theme parks and consumer products. This will certainly be a profitable film for the Disney company.

Is there a way to make these kinds of movies at a lower price point?

That's a constant question. One of the ways you make these films for less money, and almost all of our competitors do this, is to do work offshore. It's only us and Disney Animation that makes animation films in the U.S. anymore with all of the artists under one roof. We feel like having a colony of artists approach has differentiated our films. We hope to find a path to make that work. "Elemental" was particularly expensive because all the characters have visual effects. We had been getting the film costs down.

The other thing I'll say about our film budgets is that our whole company exists only to make these films. So when we say a budget, that is everything it takes to run the whole company. Sometimes, the budgets [for other films] that get reported are physical production costs and don't include the salaries of executives and things like that. Our budgets include all of that, so there's some accounting context that gets lost. But that doesn't mean they're not expensive.

What's the biggest challenge right now in getting family audiences to theaters?

It's expensive for a family to go to the movies. It can be a $100 afternoon for a family, and that can be a stretch for some to do. The other thing is that during COVID, we trained audiences to watch our movies on Disney+. I won't say there was a lot of choice. For periods of time, it was the only thing we could do. We have a little work to unring the bell and motivate families to go to the theater and not wait a few months to see it on Disney+.

Is there an ideal window between a film opening in theaters and moving to Disney+?

Thinking back historically, a summer movie would go to pay-per-view in autumn, which gave a three- or four-month window. That would be a traditional window that I'd love to see reestablished. We make our films for the big screen. We love for people to see them with an audience.