Joker 2 is doing worse than Morbius at the box office

Legend · Oct 05, 2024, 09:43 PM

‘JOKER 2’ is now estimated to have a domestic box office opening weekend similar to ‘MORBIUS’

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— DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm) October 5, 2024

the-pi-guy · Oct 05, 2024, 10:03 PM

Amazing how badly Joker hurt itself.

Legend · Oct 06, 2024, 03:27 AM

Quote from: the-Pi-guy on Oct 05, 2024, 10:03 PMAmazing how badly Joker hurt itself.

I didn't expect it to do amazing, I thought the first was really overrated, but it still looked like a decent sequel up till like a week ago. Lada gaga sounded like the perfect Harley Quinn to contrast Margot Robbie.

But I guess not

Kinda accidentally saw some spoilers and I can see why a good chunk of fans of the first are not happy.

BananaKing · Oct 06, 2024, 09:41 AM

I think the main issue here is that it's a musical. Who thought that was a good idea?

Legend · Oct 06, 2024, 05:00 PM

Box Office: 'Joker: Folie à Deux' Bombing Now at $39M

Exact same opening weekend as Morbius. Both $39 million, joker will shift a slight bit as actuals come in.

Quote from: BananaKing on Oct 06, 2024, 09:41 AMI think the main issue here is that it's a musical. Who thought that was a good idea?

A good musical could have been good. Instead it sounds like it's just boring stuff like this

Here's something to smile about ???? Get tickets NOW for #JokerFolieàDeux. ????https://t.co/Jtc43NwyLo pic.twitter.com/cVROLNaWdV
— Fandango (@Fandango) October 4, 2024

BananaKing · Oct 06, 2024, 05:40 PM

Wtf where they thinking

Legend · Oct 06, 2024, 08:26 PM

Maybe it's 4D chess and DC is embracing their inner joker.

Legend · Oct 07, 2024, 05:42 PM

'Joker: Folie à Deux' Opens Even Lower at $37M: Box Office

$37.8 million actual. $1 million below morbius domestic opening weekend. The glass is only half empty though, it's at least doing better than Madame Web.

the-pi-guy · Oct 08, 2024, 05:42 PM

'Joker: Folie à Deux' Bombs: Here's What Went Wrong Behind the Scenes

QuoteTodd Phillips "wanted nothing to do with DC" during the making of the film, says one agent familiar with the director's unique carve-out, which allowed him to bypass any oversight from the brand's gatekeepers. Although Gunn has publicly supported the film on social media, Phillips has distanced himself from DC. As the animated title-card sequence unspooled inside the iconic Hollywood cinema in the opening minutes, it became apparent that Phillips had just given DC the middle finger. There was no DC Studios logo.

nnodley · Oct 08, 2024, 05:51 PM

I mean that sounds bad for him. Since it is literally a DC property.

Legend · Oct 08, 2024, 09:20 PM

I get not wanting anything to do with dc. That worked really well for the first film and for the batman.

One thing I've been thinking about is how Joker and TLOU both in the first game/movie embraced bad/selfish behavior and then tried to push good morals in the sequel (going off Joker 2 reaction vibes, I could be way off).

That moment in tlou1 when Joel decided to ignore the greater good might be the best moment I've ever had in a game. Yet tlou2 was super boring and unfun a lot of the time since I already agreed with the game's moral message. Meanwhile the other half of players seemed to never get it and ended the game still hating it.

In a way I think the problem is that Tlou2/Joker 2 are just way too shallow and simple. "Being bad is bad" is not some grand concept that takes hours to explore.

the-pi-guy · Oct 08, 2024, 10:17 PM

Quote from: Legend on Oct 08, 2024, 09:20 PMI get not wanting anything to do with dc. That worked really well for the first film and for the batman.

One thing I've been thinking about is how Joker and TLOU both in the first game/movie embraced bad/selfish behavior and then tried to push good morals in the sequel (going off Joker 2 reaction vibes, I could be way off).

That moment in tlou1 when Joel decided to ignore the greater good might be the best moment I've ever had in a game. Yet tlou2 was super boring and unfun a lot of the time since I already agreed with the game's moral message. Meanwhile the other half of players seemed to never get it and ended the game still hating it.

In a way I think the problem is that Tlou2/Joker 2 are just way too shallow and simple. "Being bad is bad" is not some grand concept that takes hours to explore.

What good morals do you think the second movie is pushing?

I've spoiled myself on the story and read a lot of complaints. Maybe I'm completely misunderstanding, but based on what I've read:

If you've ever seen Hbomberguy's video about Sherlock.
There's an episode of Sherlock where the show makes fun of fans who try to analyze and come up with what's going to happen next.

It sounds like Joker 2 basically goes out of it's way to not give the fans what they want. It apparently goes out of it's way to make fun of the first movie.

Spoilers:

Spoiler for Hidden:

Someone on Reddit had said that it felt like the movie was made to spite the fans of the first. And I didn't understand quite what that meant.

Legend · Oct 08, 2024, 11:34 PM

Quote from: the-Pi-guy on Oct 08, 2024, 10:17 PMWhat good morals do you think the second movie is pushing?

I've spoiled myself on the story and read a lot of complaints. Maybe I'm completely misunderstanding, but based on what I've read:

If you've ever seen Hbomberguy's video about Sherlock.
There's an episode of Sherlock where the show makes fun of fans who try to analyze and come up with what's going to happen next.

It sounds like Joker 2 basically goes out of it's way to not give the fans what they want. It apparently goes out of it's way to make fun of the first movie.

Spoilers:
Spoiler for Hidden:
A lot of people wanted a Joker origin story.

A large chunk of the movie apparently takes place in a court room.

There's a character who is pushing Arthur to be Joker. And it falls apart.

Arthur admits he's not the crazy Joker, he was aware of his actions. And the movie apparently ends with him getting stabbed to death in the insane asylum.

Someone on Reddit had said that it felt like the movie was made to spite the fans of the first. And I didn't understand quite what that meant. But apparently it makes fun of the first movie.

Yeah that's what I'm meaning. It's the opposite of the first movie in many ways.

Spoiler for Hidden:

The moral of the second is "being bad is bad." It doesn't want people to like the joker in the wrong way.

the-pi-guy · Oct 09, 2024, 01:18 AM

I guess I feel like the issue there isn't the morals.

I've seen some people talk about the big moral of Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul is something pretty similar (probably closer to crime doesn't pay). They still made two incredible TV shows out of it.

Legend · Oct 09, 2024, 02:10 AM

I think that's one of the morals of the story for Breaking Bad (haven't seen Saul) but it's not the type of moral I'm talking about. Breaking Bad doesn't try to convince you of this moral, it just shows a world where this is a common lesson. The show is much more interested in smaller details and more complicated moral dilemmas.

TLOU2 and seemingly Joker 2 however are not about going deeper. They are about specifically making the audience have a certain perspective/epiphany.

Spoilers for TLOU2 since that's the one I can confidently talk about and since I love it despite these flaws.

Spoiler for Hidden: