Can we just state the obvious? Conservatives are horrible human beings committed to inflicting suffering and misery on humanity?

[kitler53]

kind of a follow-up story here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/05/us/ohio-abortion-rape-trial.html

a 10-year old ohio girl got raped (twice) and as a result got pregnat.  ohio abortion laws prevented her from getting an abortion and so she had to travel to indiana.  conservatives assailed the story as "fake news".  well they guy that raped her is now sentenced to life in prison.  

i think this story really illustrates why safe legal abortions need to be available nation-wide.   i'm not a very "pro choice" person to be honest and it's the issue where i break the biggest from the left.     ...but i do find the 100% total abortion ban pushed by the right to be more morally reprehensible than the 100% abortion on-demand pushed by the left.

[kitler53]

Guy at the Trump rally today says he is there to “guarantee” that Trump gets back in the WH. When asked what he thinks about the globalists and RINOs it sounds like he says “kill them all.” Interviewer then says, “I agree with you.“ pic.twitter.com/ZavTMq4ITw

— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) July 29, 2023

[BananaKing]

Guy at the Trump rally today says he is there to “guarantee” that Trump gets back in the WH. When asked what he thinks about the globalists and RINOs it sounds like he says “kill them all.” Interviewer then says, “I agree with you.“ pic.twitter.com/ZavTMq4ITw

— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) July 29, 2023

These videos make me laugh

[SWORDF1SH]

i think this story really illustrates why safe legal abortions need to be available nation-wide.   i'm not a very "pro choice" person to be honest and it's the issue where i break the biggest from the left.     ...but i do find the 100% total abortion ban pushed by the right to be more morally reprehensible than the 100% abortion on-demand pushed by the left.

I hate that abortion is being used as a political tool.
People that really need abortions should have no obstacles and people shouldn't be allowed to have an abortion just "because". Irritating af that we have to have these extremes of either yes or no so people have to pick a side and defend it with tribal mentality. Also odd that left is pro choice and right is pro life. Do people really agree with pro life or pro choice  or just agree because their "team" does.

Edit: thinking about it, tribal mentality isn't a better way to describe people's behaviours,  probably more group think.

Guy at the Trump rally today says he is there to “guarantee” that Trump gets back in the WH. When asked what he thinks about the globalists and RINOs it sounds like he says “kill them all.” Interviewer then says, “I agree with you.“ pic.twitter.com/ZavTMq4ITw

— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) July 29, 2023

Talking of tribal mentality and group think,  here's this Franz Ferdinand using the terms RINO and globalist. What is even this news network?

[kitler53]

I hate that abortion is being used as a political tool.
People that really need abortions should have no obstacles and people shouldn't be allowed to have an abortion just "because". Irritating af that we have to have these extremes of either yes or no so people have to pick a side and defend it with tribal mentality. Also odd that left is pro choice and right is pro life. Do people really agree with pro life or pro choice  or just agree because their "team" does.


Edit: thinking about it, tribal mentality isn't a better way to describe people's behaviours,  probably more group think.

Talking of tribal mentality and group think,  here's this Franz Ferdinand using the terms RINO and globalist. What is even this news network?

@top - when i posted the abortion thing i had a big paragraph that i wrote up and then decided not to post.   the gist:

I hate that in america at least the abortion thing all comes down to "weeks".   conservatives want that number to be 0 and liberals want that number to be whatever,.. a big one.  at least in excess of 20.  

what i hate about the conservative side is there are no exceptions.  even when there are exceptions there aren't really.  most conservative states have at must 1 abortion clinic and a bunch of other laws in place to waste your time to artificially bring down the 20 weeks to a lower number.  

my friend had an ectopic pregnancy  while living in Wi.   she wanted the baby, they tried for it.  it would have been her 3rd child.  but circumstances as they were she couldn't keep it without killing herself and the baby.  she still had to travel to IL to get her abortion because the laws didn't care her life was in severe danger.   she found out at her 20 week check-up which is a standard milestone for expecting mothers but then it was too late.

on the flip side,.. there's no "morality" in a baby being aborted just because it has downs syndrome.

i guess things were just more focused on the "why" and not the "when".   every women should be able to get an abortion when they need one no matter what state they live it.  but not every reason reflects a need.


@bottom -it's a network catering to far right people.   the gist is the audience for this sort of news thinks "media bias" is the news doing any sort of reporting that includes trying to understand an opposing viewpoint.   they want their media filled with bias but just their bias.  so like,.. if fox news and msnbc are considered opposite ends of the "biased news reporting" this channels is substantially further to the right than fox news.  

their are a few of these channels.  they were pretty obscure back pre-2020 but had an uptick in viewership when fox news called AZ for biden.  these networks kind of go hand-in-hand with trumps big lie that the election was stolen from him.  

[SWORDF1SH]

100% agree on your stance with abortion.

Talking about media bias, you know my stance lol. But it's more of I hate virtually all media, not just ones that lean a certain way. I believe all mainstream media as an agenda instead of reporting true unbiased news but dang RSBN is so bad.

[kitler53]

100% agree on your stance with abortion.

Talking about media bias, you know my stance lol. But it's more of I hate virtually all media, not just ones that lean a certain way. I believe all mainstream media as an agenda instead of reporting true unbiased news but dang RSBN is so bad.

it's not really possible to be human and totally unbiased.  that doesn't mean we can't strive to be aware of those biases and do our best to not be influenced by them.   

"mainstream media" may sometimes exhibit bias,.. but these non-mainstream media ALWAYS exhibit bias.   and facebook/twitter/whatever lives on the clicks meaning only the most biased and sensational stuff goes viral.   mainstream media is still the best way available to get to the "truth" of something happening in the world.   ...at least they are trying to find the middle or at least give time to opposing views.

[SWORDF1SH]

I wish I could agree on everything you said. The truth is I've lost faith in the media over the last few years. I know you won't agree with me but the main turning points for me, and this may seem silly, is how the media handled the Depp/Heard trial. Having watched it live and how the media interpreted it, even to this day, was astonishing to me.

And the second is how the handled covid and how people were forced to shut up and not question it under the guise of protecting people from misinformation. The media were losing their power to control narratives and they needed labels for a reason to censor people.
I'm not an anti vaxxer, I've had all jabs, I don't think covid was released on purpose or any of that crud and I didn't originally believe the lab leak 'theory' which was labelled as misinformation and something dreamt up by conspiracy theorists. But what I don't agree with is giving anybody the power to silence people and take away voices. What a fudgy slippy slope that is and to me that's what the media does. Create narratives and attempt to silence people thay doesn't conform.

I know you and Pi disagree with me on this but I'm open to your opinions. Even private DMs on Discord. I'll be honest, I'm fed up with it all. It really does affect me on what is the truth. What to believe and who do we trust.

[BananaKing]

it's not really possible to be human and totally unbiased.  that doesn't mean we can't strive to be aware of those biases and do our best to not be influenced by them.  

"mainstream media" may sometimes exhibit bias,.. but these non-mainstream media ALWAYS exhibit bias.   and facebook/twitter/whatever lives on the clicks meaning only the most biased and sensational stuff goes viral.   mainstream media is still the best way available to get to the "truth" of something happening in the world.   ...at least they are trying to find the middle or at least give time to opposing views.

American mainstream media is all propaganda. Even if you get the "truth" sometimes it's just because the truth at that case suits their agenda, or can be bent in a way to do so

[kitler53]

ugh,.. too many ideas to respond to.

1. i'm not on discord or anything else like that.   i'm happy to talk about things here (or another thread with a less inflammatory title) but probably not elsewhere.

2. kind of to both banana and swordfish here: i pretty much said this above but i'll restate it,.. all news media has bias.   it's inherit in being human.  there is bias not just in how you report a topic but even which topic are chosen to be reported on.   however, it's also not possible to go into a 3 hour documentary that gives the appropriate background and a truly fair level of presenting all viewpoints for the thousands of interesting things that go on in a day.   at some point there needs to be editing and the important part is that those responsible for doing editing at least want to be fair and unbiased and truthful.   this is where more mainstream media is better than alternatives because....

3. diversity in news is important if you are going to be well informed
  - for mainstream media the key is nothing goes out the door as an individual contributor.  there are peers that review everything to look for the bad stuff
  - for an individual,.. don't only have 1 source of media.   it's a bad decision (if you want to be well informed) to only watch fox news or only watch MSNBC.  consume multiple sources to get the best informed.

4. i didn't really pay any attention to the amber heard/depp trail other than to laugh at the "shitting the bed" thing.   i'll say this,.. "entertainment news" is the worst.  it's all instagram feeds and rumors, ect.   entertainment news doesn't get the kind of standards that more important news gets regardless of who's writing it.

5. Remember how in that twitter thread I said responding to your opinions is not the same as taking away your free speech?   I think you have a bit of that same problem here with covid.   no one was put in jail for their views about covid.  no one even lost their accounts or whatever.  they could say what they wanted to say but the media took great effort to see and reply to each and every misinformation out there.   that's not the same as silencing people.

...and considering the huge demand for horse tranquilizer i think it's a good thing they did.  a lot of the viral misinformations weren't just dumb,.. they were dangerous.

6. but like,.. it's not enough (for me) to just hate on main stream media.  what is the alternative?   where is a better place to get your information that's sooo unbiased?   it sure as fuk isn't social media.   

[SWORDF1SH]

I'll reply if I get on my PC. I agree with the majority of what you said

[kitler53]

I'll reply if I get on my PC. I agree with the majority of what you said

yeah, i saw your post last night and said to myself,.. "nope, not replying on a phone."  xD

[kitler53]

maybe this is the wrong thread for this but i'm watching the roll-call live now and i'm just floored that it has come to this.  republicans are just a mess right now.  8 republicans have voted to oust mccarthy so as long as no democrats break he's out.

[kitler53]

lol, someone just blurted "someone pull the fire alarm".   love that they can find humor in their humiliation...