Twitter now owned by xAI - company founded by Elon Musk

[SWORDF1SH]

Good one! Did you think of that all by yourself?  


And of course the 2 bullies are back at it. Say something on here that Pi and kitler don't like, and watch the dynamic duo team up bully their opinions over yours. How dare you think differently to them.

[kitler53]

Good one! Did you think of that all by yourself?  


And of course the 2 bullies are back at it. Say something on here that Pi and kitler don't like, and watch the dynamic duo team up bully their opinions over yours. How dare you think differently to them.

like you're any different from us.   you hurled some very personal insults at me a few days ago.  I'm not even offended because I'm unapologeticly blunt in my opinions. I won't deny that. 

..but Pi is absolutely polite in his responses to you.  he takes a lot of effort to not use inflammatory language.  he sources a lot of his arguments.  he tries to understand you and make you understand him. 

your core problem is you think us saying what we think somehow took away your "free speech".   free speech is you saying your opinion and others saying theirs.  don't be so thin skinned.  if your "free speech" requires me to either agree with you or be silent when you say something then you aren't the free speech advocate you think you are.  discourse is the heart of free speech. 

say whatever you want about me but don't you go lumping Pi in with me.  he's the best amongst us. 

[Legend]

Good one! Did you think of that all by yourself?  


And of course the 2 bullies are back at it. Say something on here that Pi and kitler don't like, and watch the dynamic duo team up bully their opinions over yours. How dare you think differently to them.

I was in Disney so I didn't read this thread till the other day.

Please remember that while people don't agree on things, we're all friends here. Your edit is way beyond "friendly" banter and isn't called for.


I get the feeling that multiple people are frustrated with this thread at the moment so I'm going to temporarily lock it.

[SWORDF1SH]

First I would like to apologise to kitler for throwing insults. That was uncalled for. As much kitler can be forceful with his opinions, he doesn't get personal with people on here that I'm aware of. I had no right being a waterfall.

But I would like to reply to kitler's response.

Pi is absolutely polite in his responses to you.  he takes a lot of effort to not use inflammatory language.  he sources a lot of his arguments.  he tries to understand you and make you understand him.

Pi is polite. I feel he doesn't bend on his opinions but at the same time I'm not giving him enough reason to.  I could say he doesn't give me enough reason but that isn't true. My problem was I get the impression that Pi and Kitler dominate any political opinions and I feel that they both together jump on people that have a different opinions and I had a wall up and felt like I had to defend my stance rather than listen.

One of my fears is that I get brainwashed into a certain way of thinking or being brainwashed into supporting a "side". That's why I bang on about mainstream media, it's that fear. I felt like Pi and kitler were on a "side" trying to "brainwash" me but wtaf am I doing? I do want to listen to all views and I'm not doing that. Pi and kit are only expressing their views and on a small forum it can feel like they're dominating it but they are just passionate about their opinions. I will make sure in future I will listen and learn from Pi and kit because they are 2 very smart people. I won't necessarily agree but I will make an effort to understand. I mean I understood why Pi had his opinions but was quick to not properly consider them.

your core problem is you think us saying what we think somehow took away your "free speech".   free speech is you saying your opinion and others saying theirs.  don't be so thin skinned.  if your "free speech" requires me to either agree with you or be silent when you say something then you aren't the free speech advocate you think you are.  discourse is the heart of free speech.

100% correct. A lot of the reason explained above.

say whatever you want about me but don't you go lumping Pi in with me.  he's the best amongst us.

Yeah you're a sucker , so am I, but you really are a great guy. Even throughout this arguing, I always believe you and Pi have your opinions because you care about people. I may not agree with those opinions but I agree with the reason for those opinions.

Which brings me to cisgender. Thinking about what Pi said and why the cisgender was coined in the effort to not treat 'trans' as an other and not marginalise trans people, I have a different view on it and more respecr for the term cis. Do I now believe it's a slur, no. Do I believe it can be use to discriminate, yes. Do I want to be referred as a cis male, I'm not sure.

Lastly, I have massive respect for Mike. Another great human that has a big heart. Sorry for causing a commotion in the forum.

Tldr, I'm sorry

[SWORDF1SH]

Also something that Pi said before, that I hardly ever criticise Elon. I do and have done on this thread but I also defend what I feel is undeserved criticism which I felt was almost everything posted but probably overzealous in doing so lol

The ironic part is the post that Pi just did mocking me is actually a tweet I'd be on board with criticising Elon for  

[kitler53]

so i think i'll just say 2 things:

1. i didn't really need an apology.   my feelings were never hurt.  but thanks anyways.

2. ...but just an honest perspective here.   whether it is politics or otherwise Pi and I pretty much dominate ALL activity on this forum.   the top 3 posters are always Pi, legend and myself.   ...and a lot of legend's posts are in his space threads where he is often times talking to himself.   i probably come here too often but i do really enjoy the aspect of this forum that i know everyone and can read everyone's opinions and remember what each of you think months later.   it's more fun (imo) than a place like era where you lob your posts into a void and there is no conversation aspect to a thread.

[the-pi-guy]

Eh, I'm not that great. I was passive aggressive in a couple posts.

I'm sorry if/when my behavior was bullying you, that was certainly not my intention. It can be frustrating when the people that are interested in a conversation go the opposite way that you do. I've been there myself. I've been in a number of conversations on Facebook for example, where everyone else in the conversation had much more conservative views than I did. Even when the intention isn't to dogpile someone, it certainly doesn't feel good when it happens. It's not exactly a fun time when you're having a conversation with 4 family members who all think you're wrong; especially when no one in the conversation wants to back you up.

It's so disheartening when you're the only one, especially when there's two or more "against" you.



I'm certainly stubborn on my views. Largely because I have had a lot of these conversations and have done a fair amount of research and thinking, and I have a pretty good idea of where I stand a lot of things. I have had conversations change my views on things, I certainly feel comfortable changing my opinion if I saw something notable that I haven't thought of. But ugh, I feel like it's pretty rare to see new thoughts and ideas on a lot of these topics, a lot of times it just feels like you're arguing against the same exact things you were arguing against a month ago.  

One of my fears is that I get brainwashed into a certain way of thinking or being brainwashed into supporting a "side". That's why I bang on about mainstream media, it's that fear. I felt like Pi and kitler were on a "side" trying to "brainwash" me but wtaf am I doing?

I understand this fear, but I don't personally think it's a useful one.


Like it's possible for someone to brainwash the truth, but for malicious reasons.

I'm not sure what the term is or even if there is a term for it. But a lot of brainwashing is done through a fear of brain washing. Like the "NASA has brain washed people into thinking the world is spherical to sell globes" people.

but just an honest perspective here.   whether it is politics or otherwise Pi and I pretty much dominate ALL activity on this forum.   the top 3 posters are always Pi, legend and myself.   ...and a lot of legend's posts are in his space threads where he is often times talking to himself.   i probably come here too often but i do really enjoy the aspect of this forum that i know everyone and can read everyone's opinions and remember what each of you think months later.   it's more fun (imo) than a place like era where you lob your posts into a void and there is no conversation aspect to a thread.

That's what I like about this place too.
It sucks that there aren't many people and sometimes people don't want to talk about the same things.

But it's pretty awesome a lot of the time. Opposed to Era where every thread that's more than 5 minutes old already has 15 responses, where most of the time everything I could want to say has already been said.

[SWORDF1SH]

Pi, I genuinely want the truth. It's frustrating because I don't know where to get that. Everybody is so divided and I hate that. Every single topic as 2 extreme views and nobody ever hardly wants to meet in the middle. I guess that's why I take the stance I do because I feel meeting in the middle and compromising is the best outcome for everybody instead of more divides.

[BananaKing]

Pi, I genuinely want the truth. It's frustrating because I don't know where to get that. Everybody is so divided and I hate that. Every single topic as 2 extreme views and nobody ever hardly wants to meet in the middle. I guess that's why I take the stance I do because I feel meeting in the middle and compromising is the best outcome for everybody instead of more divides.

Depends on what the issue is, but meeting in the middle isn't always the right solution IMO.

[SWORDF1SH]

Not about Twitter but what do you guys think about xAI? Not delved into it yet but my understanding that the creation of xAI is to understand the true nature of the universe. Not sure what that exactly means but guessing it has a wider scope and aim to keep out of politics and only learn from truth and facts.

I don't know how to feel about AI. It's scary stuff to me. But on paper at least, xAI looks more promising.

[Legend]

Not about Twitter but what do you guys think about xAI? Not delved into it yet but my understanding that the creation of xAI is to understand the true nature of the universe. Not sure what that exactly means but guessing it has a wider scope and aim to keep out of politics and only learn from truth and facts.

I don't know how to feel about AI. It's scary stuff to me. But on paper at least, xAI looks more promising.

Cool logo but that's it for the moment. Need to actually see plans/goals. That mission statement is all fluff.

[SWORDF1SH]

Cool logo but that's it for the moment. Need to actually see plans/goals. That mission statement is all fluff.

Do you think it'll be able to compete in any way? xAI is so far behind Open AI

[Legend]

Do you think it'll be able to compete in any way? xAI is so far behind Open AI

It can easily reach current Open AI levels. You just need enough computers since Open AI already showed what works.

The difficulty is in making the next big breakthrough. You need a lot of incredible AI engineers and most of those people are already paid like superstars at other companies. xAI needs something to differentiate it from all the other new AI companies and right now they don't have it.

[SWORDF1SH]

It can easily reach current Open AI levels. You just need enough computers since Open AI already showed what works.

The difficulty is in making the next big breakthrough. You need a lot of incredible AI engineers and most of those people are already paid like superstars at other companies. xAI needs something to differentiate it from all the other new AI companies and right now they don't have it.

Like you said, just wait and see where it goes.

[Legend]

Like you said, just wait and see where it goes.

Yup. I don't care until they actually announce something, but that thing might end up being pretty cool.

I really just want AI that improves with user assistance. When it makes a mistake, in text or image generation, I'd love an easy way to call it out on that mistake and have that knowledge permanently stored. Like a lora that it builds itself.