Twitter now owned by xAI - company founded by Elon Musk

[SWORDF1SH]

yeah besides some baffling things that Elon has been saying sometimes since he bought twitter, I'd trust elon way more.  I personally just think twitter is all hate fueled on either side at this point and that's not going to change most likely

I get ya. I believe he can do some stupid things and I also believe a lot is overblown by the media. Latest being Elon temporary limiting Twitter (now back to normal) because of data scraping. Everybody acted like it was the end of the world even though Elon said it was only a temporary measure. It's like people and media are waiting for any little thing to happen so they can blow it out of proportion.

[BananaKing]

yeah besides some baffling things that Elon has been saying sometimes since he bought twitter, I'd trust elon way more.  I personally just think twitter is all hate fueled on either side at this point and that's not going to change most likely

Elon speaks his mind. Not everybody is gonna agree with you when you actually have convictions and speak your mind. I'd trust him a billion times more than zuck

[the-pi-guy]

[the-pi-guy]

It baffles me that people trust Zuckerberg over Elon. Oh yeah, mainstream media said to hate Elon.

It baffles me that you continue to give the benefit of the doubt to Elon.  

They're both terrible people.

[SWORDF1SH]

I'm pretty sure Meta would of been very careful so nothing much will come of this.

It baffles me that you continue to give the benefit of the doubt to Elon.  

They're both terrible people.

I may be missing something  about Elon or the things I'm supposed to care about in reality aren't that bad. Idk. Elon a terrible person? My opinion he's the opposite. I agree with the majority what he says and I like he stands for free speech. You can question everything. Not we should be told what to think.  And he's pushing for transparency on Twitter.

There may be a lot of dickheads on Twitter but that's the nature of the beast. At least there's dickheads from both sides, more balanced. Now if Threads successfully takes the left leaning users from Twitter and it's only left with right leaners, I will stop using Twitter. I don't want to assign myself to a group and want to get a balanced view.

[SWORDF1SH]

Competition is fine, cheating is not

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) July 6, 2023

[the-pi-guy]

I may be missing something  about Elon or the things I'm supposed to care about in reality aren't that bad. Idk. Elon a terrible person? My opinion he's the opposite. I agree with the majority what he says and I like he stands for free speech. You can question everything. Not we should be told what to think.  And he's pushing for transparency on Twitter.

Everyone says they stand for "free speech", the issue is that people have completely opposing ideas on what that actually entails; because most people understand you have to make exceptions to free speech.  The obvious one is you can't send out bad stuff to people under 18, most people agree on that.  

Conservatives are thrilled to say they're pro-free speech, and yet they frequently ban anything that talks about LGBT groups, they frequently ban things that talk about black issues.  
And of course left wingers similarly will ban or at the very least will argue against certain kinds of speech, because they similarly view certain kinds of speech as harmful usually to minority groups.

Elon two weeks ago, banned the word "cis" under the guise that it was a slur and being used as harassment, and I've talked to people who got day bans for saying that word. In what world is that free speech?  

[SWORDF1SH]

Everyone says they stand for "free speech", the issue is that people have completely opposing ideas on what that actually entails; because most people understand you have to make exceptions to free speech.  The obvious one is you can't send out bad stuff to people under 18, most people agree on that.  

Conservatives are thrilled to say they're pro-free speech, and yet they frequently ban anything that talks about LGBT groups, they frequently ban things that talk about black issues.  
And of course left wingers similarly will ban or at the very least will argue against certain kinds of speech, because they similarly view certain kinds of speech as harmful usually to minority groups.

Elon two weeks ago, banned the word "cis" under the guise that it was a slur and being used as harassment, and I've talked to people who got day bans for saying that word. In what world is that free speech?  

Cis isn't banned, you only can get a timeout if you use it to harass and so it should be. If people are getting banned because they are just using the word cis, I'd say that's people abusing the report system. Report systems were abused on Twitter 1.0 and every other social media. Hell, there's people being wrongfully suspended all the time for all ttpes of things. It's not an excuse to say "Elon bad".  

And obviously talking about LGBT shouldn't be banned. Should we be allowed  to oppose LGBT talking points? yes. Should people do it in a hateful way? no.  All hate speech should result in a ban.

[the-pi-guy]

Cis isn't banned, you only can get a timeout if you use it to harass and so it should be.

He specifically said that the word was a slur. Which doesn't make any sense, and it doesn't particularly make sense for how it can be used to harass someone.  

If people are getting banned because they are just using the word cis, I'd say that's people abusing the report system. Report systems were abused on Twitter 1.0 and every other social media.

And I'm sure you gave the same benefit of the doubt to the previous runners of twitter. It was never because they were opposed to free speech, it was just the reporting systems being abused.  

Should we be allowed  to oppose LGBT talking points? yes.

What does this even mean?

Are there white people talking points? Straight people talking points?

[SWORDF1SH]

He specifically said that the word was a slur. Which doesn't make any sense, and it doesn't particularly make sense for how it can be used to harass someone.  

And I'm sure you gave the same benefit of the doubt to the previous runners of twitter. It was never because they were opposed to free speech, it was just the reporting systems being abused.  


What does this even mean?

Are there white people talking points? Straight people talking points?

CIS is being used as a slur unfortunately if you agree or not. Previous owners of Twitter banned, not suspended, banned people for mentioning "lab leak" for example and got exposed by Twitter 2.0 for colluding with the government to suppress what people say. And of course there's talking points about straight people, men , white people. What are you talking about?

But let's get back on point. I want these talking points to be discussed. If people don't like seeing kids go to drag shows, let the be discourse. If people want to talk about white privilege, let there be discourse. I  can't think of anything worse than group think mentality in a echo chamber where people are expelled for not agreeing with them. Unfortunately Twitter is going to be the closest thing we get to it not going that direction and if all the lefties bugger off to Threads, Twitter is as good as dead to me. Social media is as good as dead to me.

[kitler53]

It baffles me that people trust Zuckerberg over Elon. Oh yeah, mainstream media said to hate Elon.

Elon's Twitter feed is "mainstream media"?   that's what I was reading as I came to hate him. 

any actual evidence of "cheating" or is this just that he fired most of his staff and he's mad they had the audacity to find new jobs in their profession?

[SWORDF1SH]

 

[the-pi-guy]

 

CIS is being used as a slur unfortunately if you agree or not.

Do you understand what cis means?
Explain how it's even possible for it to be a slur.

Cis is an adjective, it describes 99+% of the world, it's not an insult or a derogatory term.

And of course there's talking points about straight people, men , white people. What are you talking about?

I don't think "Talking points about straight people" is the same thing as "straight people talking points"

I want these talking points to be discussed.

I love these talking points being discussed. But a lot of these discussions are being filled with lies, with the express purpose of hurting people.

any actual evidence of "cheating" or is this just that he fired most of his staff and he's mad they had the audacity to find new jobs in their profession?

He's just upset that it's becoming popular.
Meta has said that no one on the Threads team even came from Twitter.

[kitler53]

Meta has said that no one on the Threads team even came from Twitter.

yeah, i saw that.  i think the quote was no one from the thread engineering team came from twitter which is probably an important distinction.   if true than elon is just punching at air and trying to harass meta.  

i have no idea how twitter could even have "trade secrets" in a legal term.  trade secrets is for things like the coke recipe,.. not software.  i'll bet twitter doesn't have any actual trade secrets and elon just doesn't even know what the term means in legal terms.   in software we do patents and i have very personal experience with the "you can't patent the algorithm" aspect of software IP.   you can patent the how a user interacts and benefits from your software but you can't patent the how the code is architected to deliver that functionality.

code is copywrite protected but someone at meta literally copy pasted twitter code into threads that wouldn't apply either.   frankly that would be kind of absurd because it is highly unlikely the code would even work in threads code base anyways.  


to me this whole thing screams desperation on elon's part to slander meta.  

[SWORDF1SH]

Well kitler an Pi would be going crazy if Elon said this  

Mark Zuckerberg talking about Facebook users pic.twitter.com/NhWDh7t50S

— Andrew (@andrewmichaelio) July 6, 2023

Do you understand what cis means?
Explain how it's even possible for it to be a slur.

Cis is an adjective, it describes 99+% of the world, it's not an insult or a derogatory term.

I don't think "Talking points about straight people" is the same thing as "straight people talking points"

I love these talking points being discussed. But a lot of these discussions are being filled with lies, with the express purpose of hurting people.
He's just upset that it's becoming popular.
Meta has said that no one on the Threads team even came from Twitter.

The gist I'm getting from this that if you're straight, you can't have an opinion and  a term used for a majority can't be a slur? Am I correct?  Because that's battleship.

And how can me wanting to hear both sides be bad? Why do you always try and pull me to the left side of thinking. Like there's not one thing on the right you can accept is correct. You look at things simply to justify why I'm wrong and make presumptions to make yourself right. Like, and since we are the Elon/Twitter thread, the conclusions you jump to to always paint Elon in a bad light.