Twitter now owned by xAI - company founded by Elon Musk

[SWORDF1SH]

Your boy elon just destroyed the BBC

He obliterated the reporter. If you are going to accuse Twitter of things, you better do your research and make sure your house isn't made of glass. Just following the narrative doesn't cut it.

I would like somebody better to interview Elon though, not one after a cheap "got ya" moment.

Source?

.@ElonMusk, boss of @Twitter and CEO of @Tesla and @SpaceX, has given an interview to the BBC.

Watch BBC News' interview with Elon Musk in FULL: pic.twitter.com/MLrnFp2SUb

— Wojciech Pawelczyk (@WojPawelczyk) April 14, 2023

[the-pi-guy]

They trained illegally using Twitter data. Lawsuit time.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 19, 2023

[Legend]

They trained illegally using Twitter data. Lawsuit time.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 19, 2023

Training off scraped data is very likely legal for many reasons, but it'll be funny to see how the court of public opinion takes this. So many creators and news sources have been pushing anti-ai rhetoric about all training being illegal.

[kitler53]

so in addition to losing ad revenue he wants to waste a ton of money on a frivolous lawsuit?

how did this guy get to be a billionaire.  oh right, daddy. 

[BananaKing]

so in addition to losing ad revenue he wants to waste a ton of money on a frivolous lawsuit?

how did this guy get to be a billionaire.  oh right, daddy.

Because he actually is a good business man. I know most people here hate him, but the guy has built successful business after successful business. I personally am indifferent to him, but I respect what he has accomplished

[Legend]

Because he actually is a good business man. I know most people here hate him, but the guy has built successful business after successful business. I personally am indifferent to him, but I respect what he has accomplished

Yeah he was essentially broke when he moved to Canada. Purely from a business perspective he's insanely successful.

so in addition to losing ad revenue he wants to waste a ton of money on a frivolous lawsuit?

how did this guy get to be a billionaire.  oh right, daddy.

You literally have more money than his dad did lol.

[the-pi-guy]

how did this guy get to be a billionaire.  oh right, daddy.

Not really. You could pin it down to luck, government funding.

I also feel like Elon used to be better. It really feels to me like the past ~4 years, he's gone down some kind of propaganda rabbit hole. Not that he was a great person before, but he seems so much like a guy who got majorly sucked into Fox News or 4chan or something. 

[SWORDF1SH]

Not really. You could pin it down to luck, government funding.

I also feel like Elon used to be better. It really feels to me like the past ~4 years, he's gone down some kind of propaganda rabbit hole. Not that he was a great person before, but he seems so much like a guy who got majorly sucked into Fox News or 4chan or something.  

What more can the guy do? He's open sourced Twitter for transparency, exposed FBI and  government collusion with twitter to suppress free speech and doing what he can to allow both sides of the story be heard. Mainstream media are throwing their toys out the pram. You can't say anything positive about Elon but are the first on here to point out when he slips up. You play down his achievements because that's the only way you can keep pushing the narrative that he's bad. You won't be happy until everybody has to agree with the narrative that mainstream media sets and you can't have an opinion.

[the-pi-guy]

What more can the guy do? He's open sourced Twitter for transparency, exposed FBI and  government collusion with twitter to suppress free speech and

Do you think NPR/BBC and Russia/China state media are on the same level? Do you agree with that change?

doing what he can to allow both sides of the story be heard. Mainstream media are throwing their toys out the pram.

I should be thrilled to see bullies and literal terrorists able to get their voice heard.  

You can't say anything positive about Elon but are the first on here to point out when he slips up.

I could ask why you're always so eager to defend him.
I'm also really not. I'm not even remotely the most negative one here.

I'm pretty confident that Elon genuinely has good skills as a business man, as an engineer.  

That doesn't mean he knows how to run every business, or engineer everything, it certainly doesn't automatically make him a competent software engineer.  

There is nuance to these things.

Even if you like him, you should be able to criticize things he does wrong. Just like even if you dislike him, you should be able to recognize things he does right.

You play down his achievements because that's the only way you can keep pushing the narrative that he's bad. You won't be happy until everybody has to agree with the narrative that mainstream media sets and you can't have an opinion.

People that become billionaires do rely on a lot of luck. We all do. Lucky to be born in the right place to the right people, with the right resources.

Which media do you think I should be listening to? Fun fact, I don't actually listen to any news media. I get a lot of news off reddit and it comes from all over.  

[BananaKing]

Luck has something to do with it yes..but when you run so many successful businesses and revolutionise more than one its clear that luck isn't the main factor.

In this twitter debacle the FBI and US government literally worked with twitter to suppress freespeach. He stopped that. How is the "bad guy here"

[the-pi-guy]

In this twitter debacle the FBI and US government literally worked with twitter to suppress freespeach. He stopped that. How is the "bad guy here"

I don't think I said he was the bad guy in that situation.

Does that mean every decision he's made at Twitter has been completely 100% good?

Luck has something to do with it yes..but when you run so many successful businesses and revolutionise more than one its clear that luck isn't the main factor.

It feels ironic that my comment started with "not really" talking about Elon's dad's money. I was defending Elon to an extent, and saying that I think he used to be better than he is now.

[SWORDF1SH]

Let's talk about each point individually because otherwise it will be a mess.

Do you think NPR/BBC and Russia/China state media are on the same level? Do you agree with that change?

Are you talking about the labelling? Have Russia/China state media not been labelled? If so, that is obviously wrong

[the-pi-guy]

Are you talking about the labelling? Have Russia/China state media not been labelled? If so, that is obviously wrong

The issue is the other way around.
NPR was previously labelled as state media. Still labelled publicly funded, despite the fact that the vast majority does not come from the government.  

The news organization says that is inaccurate and misleading, given that NPR is a private, nonprofit company with editorial independence. It receives less than 1 percent of its $300 million annual budget from the federally funded Corporation for Public Broadcasting.

Most of NPR's funding comes from corporate and individual supporters and grants. It also receives significant programming fees from member stations. Those stations, in turn, receive about 13 percent of their funds from the CPB and other state and federal government sources.

[Legend]

NPR was previously labelled as state media. Still labelled publicly funded

It's been hard following all the changes. Looks like today no one has labels, or maybe the system is glitched.


Youtube has traditionally labeled BBC, NPR, and PBS as publicly funded media so I'm pretty sure they're happy with that label. It's only the government/state funded label that was problematic for them.

I like PBS a lot and I think BBC is pretty good. I hardly ever watch NPR so I don't know much about them. It was weird seeing CBC get mad about it though. They get the majority of their funding from the government.



https://cbc.radio-canada.ca/en/impact-and-accountability/finances/annual-reports/ar-2018-2019/financial-sustainability/revenue-and-other-funds

[SWORDF1SH]

The issue is the other way around.
NPR was previously labelled as state media. Still labelled publicly funded, despite the fact that the vast majority does not come from the government.  

I agree,  but do you agree we should have these labels for transparency? I feel this isn't really an issue, NPR may be labelled wrong but it will be altered if NPR put in a reasonable argument why it shouldn't be labelled "government funded". I don't understand the amount of push back about labelling when it benefits the public.
I think the main argument why they are labelled "government funded" is because they say on their own website that the rely on government funding. If they can provide context, I'm sure it will be cleared up. The BBC rightly got changed from  "government funded" to "public funded".
So while there will be mistakes, I feel labelling is a step in the right direction.