Twitter now owned by xAI - company founded by Elon Musk

[the-pi-guy]

Let me ask something else.

What do you think left wing and right wing mean?

[SWORDF1SH]

Let me ask something else.

What do you think left wing and right wing mean?

Maybe I should say Republicans and Democrats because that's the 2 warring supporter bases. I find myself more and more left (more central than my previous right leaning stance which came from talking and listening to other people) and having a lot of same beliefs of things like equality but the far left just execute it in the wrong way that pisses people off. That, imo, pushes people the opposite direction. Remove the extremes, allow discussions and that will bring people together. Not the far left and far right nut jobs. IMO it's the far wings that cause the fights for normal people and imo the far left have had more of a platform and that has caused more division than good.

[kitler53]

maybe not exactly the right thread but feels better here than to start a new thread

https://electrek.co/2022/12/12/tesla-becoming-partisan-brand-survey/

100% agree.  i want an EV for my next car but at this point tesla is not an option.   i'll go elsewhere and it's 100% because of this politics. 

[SWORDF1SH]

????

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 13, 2022

[the-pi-guy]

Uh the issue isn't "disagreement".

Hate speech and misinformation can get people killed.

That's the issue.

[SWORDF1SH]

Uh the issue isn't "disagreement".

Hate speech and misinformation can get people killed.

That's the issue.

Ironically, I disagree. There are plenty of things that we can't say that don't put people's lives in danger. Now  "putting people in danger", "misinformation" and "disinformation" are just ways to shut down opposing views.
I do agree genuine hate speech shouldn't be allowed but again the term "hate speech" is used when it shouldn't be to shut the opposing views down.

[the-pi-guy]

Ironically, I disagree. There are plenty of things that we can't say that don't put people's lives in danger.

Like what?

Spreading misinformation about trans people => increases suicide and murder rates among trans people.  
Spreading misinformation about gay people => increases suicide and murder rates among gay people.
Spreading misinformation about vaccines causes people to fear vaccinations, which causes them to not get protected against easily avoidable deaths.


What completely harmless piece do you think doesn't get tolerated?

[BananaKing]

Like what?

Spreading misinformation about trans people => increases suicide and murder rates among trans people.  
Spreading misinformation about gay people => increases suicide and murder rates among gay people.
Spreading misinformation about vaccines causes people to fear vaccinations, which causes them to not get protected against easily avoidable deaths.


What completely harmless piece do you think doesn't get tolerated?

I see no scientific connection regarding information discussed about a group of people and suicide rates

This is just a statement used to shut down conversations regarding those topics  

[the-pi-guy]

I see no scientific connection regarding information discussed about a group of people and suicide rates

This is just a statement used to shut down conversations regarding those topics  

Sure I don't have a study that shows the exact correlation.

But:
1.) Suicide rates for trans people drop when they're able to transition and when society has more acceptance for them.

2.) Misinformation is causing lawmakers to push back trans rights to identify how they are.

It's not exactly a leap of logic.

[SWORDF1SH]

Like what?

Spreading misinformation about trans people => increases suicide and murder rates among trans people.  
Spreading misinformation about gay people => increases suicide and murder rates among gay people.
Spreading misinformation about vaccines causes people to fear vaccinations, which causes them to not get protected against easily avoidable deaths.


What completely harmless piece do you think doesn't get tolerated?

Like I said, genuine hate speech shouldn't be tolerated. That doesn't mean that issues within the gay and trans community should be free from discussion or scrutiny.

I believe we should push for true equality and I believe free speech will help us get there with open discussions which will encourage people to be more open. Is this perfect? No. But it's a dang lot better than letting the mainstream media encouraging each half the of the country to hate each other.

[the-pi-guy]

Like I said, genuine hate speech shouldn't be tolerated. That doesn't mean that issues within the gay and trans community should be free from discussion or scrutiny.

I believe we should push for true equality and I believe free speech will help us get there with open discussions which will encourage people to be more open. Is this perfect? No. But it's a dang lot better than letting the mainstream media encouraging each half the of the country to hate each other.

That's the second time you've dodged the question. What harmless speech do you feel isn't being allowed?

[SWORDF1SH]

That's the second time you've dodged the question. What harmless speech do you feel isn't being allowed?

I'm not opening myself debates on individual issues because I don't have the energy for it tbh. I think I made myself clear enough and if you can't see the stuff that can benefit from an open discussion and/or questioned then I'm in a lose/lose situation anyway.

[kitler53]

ie you can't think of any examples. 

...which is of course because your view is BS.  

[kitler53]

Elon fires more people,.. this time for not working on weekends. 

Yahoo News: Some Twitter staff were cut off after missing a Saturday deadline from Elon Musk because they didn't check emails at the weekend, report says.
https://news.yahoo.com/twitter-staff-were-cut-off-105246730.html

[Legend]

Since this is the tesla thread too I guess, Tesla launches Steam in its cars with thousands of games | Electrek

Steam is here—bringing thousands of games to new Model S & X vehicles ???? pic.twitter.com/PDzjtefv7A

— Tesla (@Tesla) December 13, 2022