From Sony IR documents: Uncharted 4 to come to PC

[the-pi-guy]

https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/irday/pdf/2021/GNS_E.pdf

[Legend]

This really is the end of traditional Sony isn't it? Gonna be a really transformative gen.

I hope they can materialize their PC to PS5 player shift, but I only see players moving the other direction.

[the-pi-guy]

This really is the end of traditional Sony isn't it? Gonna be a really transformative gen.

Nintendo is making hybrid systems.
Microsoft is working toward making a Netflix for games.  
This is a very strange generation.

Right now it doesn't feel like much has changed, but it feels like there's a storm brewing ahead.  

It's likely all 3 will still be doing their own thing in 6-8 years with a new console generation just like now.  

But it doesn't seem impossible that Microsoft doesn't make a next gen console.  Or if Gamepass became important enough for it to be on PS.  

It might seem unthinkable right now, but a lot of this generation felt unthinkable even just a few years ago.  

I think it's interesting that Sony is pushing forward like this though.  Out of all 3 console makers they have the least incentive to change. MS and Nintendo did poorly last gen, and they're focusing on their strengths, using their infrastructure and their studios for a single platform respectively.

[Xevross]

This really is the end of traditional Sony isn't it? Gonna be a really transformative gen.

I hope they can materialize their PC to PS5 player shift, but I only see players moving the other direction.

My thoughts exactly, I see this moving playstation owners to PC rather than the other way around. I hope for their sake the increased revenue from PC sales makes up for that.

Nintendo is making hybrid systems.
Microsoft is working toward making a Netflix for games.  
This is a very strange generation.

Right now it doesn't feel like much has changed, but it feels like there's a storm brewing ahead.  

It's likely all 3 will still be doing their own thing in 6-8 years with a new console generation just like now.  

But it doesn't seem impossible that Microsoft doesn't make a next gen console.  Or if Gamepass became important enough for it to be on PS.  

It might seem unthinkable right now, but a lot of this generation felt unthinkable even just a few years ago.  

I think it's interesting that Sony is pushing forward like this though.  Out of all 3 console makers they have the least incentive to change. MS and Nintendo did poorly last gen, and they're focusing on their strengths, using their infrastructure and their studios for a single platform respectively.

Nintendo and Xbox have a clear inspired vision. Sony just seem to be half heartedly dipping their toes in every kind of strategy that other companies are trying at the moment.

[kitler53]

all i'll say is this,... given all the options i still prefer a home console:
 - i don't want to take my console on the road so the significant loss in performance for that form factor is a big negative to me.
 - i really don't want to maintain a PC or play at a desk.  i like to sit on my couch.  i like that games just work.  i really like that PC basically has access to every library these days but it's just too much of a hassle for me to bother with.
 - gamepass just isn't cost affective to me.  it's approximately equal to my yearly gaming budget so there is no significant cost savings.   although the service has a ton of options it misses out on most of my most anticipated games.  the high volume of other games doesn't excite me when i only play 10-20 games a year and thus always have far more games available to me than i have time to play,.. and quite frankly mostly just play the f2p rocket league.  

i loved the transition to digital games.  that was a huge convince over physical.   these other things just have no appeal to me.

[the-pi-guy]

Nintendo and Xbox have a clear inspired vision. Sony just seem to be half heartedly dipping their toes in every kind of strategy that other companies are trying at the moment.

I mean that's kind of my point.

I'm not saying they're doing a good job, I'm just saying Sony doesn't really have any incentive to change.  So the fact that they're trying to do anything however half heartedly, is interesting.

[BananaKing]

My thoughts exactly, I see this moving playstation owners to PC rather than the other way around. I hope for their sake the increased revenue from PC sales makes up for that.
Nintendo and Xbox have a clear inspired vision. Sony just seem to be half heartedly dipping their toes in every kind of strategy that other companies are trying at the moment.

I really disagree with this. Sonys vision seems pretty clear. Organic growth of their assets. PSN, PS+, first party IP sales, and online communities, and PS Now.

Its a strategy that is making them increasingly profitable, is sustainable, and shows signs of large growth both for short term and long term. Look at their profits, look at their numbers, they are absolutely killing it. Look at what games are releasing soon, ratchet, horizon, god of war and GT7.

You really think MS is in a better position? Look how much Sony made with the PS4 and now PS5. Since 2013. MS spent 2.5 billion on Minecraft, 8.5 billion on Bethesda and probably another 2-5 billion on other studios.

Thats roughly 12-15 billion. Sonys strategy of organic growth means they didn't need to spend that crazy amount of money, nor do they need to going into the future. And still Sony are releasing more games and making bigger profits than xbox on their games.

[kitler53]

I really disagree with this. Sonys vision seems pretty clear. Organic growth of their assets. PSN, PS+, first party IP sales, and online communities, and PS Now.

Its a strategy that is making them increasingly profitable, is sustainable, and shows signs of large growth both for short term and long term. Look at their profits, look at their numbers, they are absolutely killing it. Look at what games are releasing soon, ratchet, horizon, god of war and GT7.

You really think MS is in a better position? Look how much Sony made with the PS4 and now PS5. Since 2013. MS spent 2.5 billion on Minecraft, 8.5 billion on Bethesda and probably another 2-5 billion on other studios.

Thats roughly 12-15 billion. Sonys strategy of organic growth means they didn't need to spend that crazy amount of money, nor do they need to going into the future. And still Sony are releasing more games and making bigger profits than xbox on their games.

i dunno, sony spent 229 million on insomniac.   it may be a whole year before miles and ratchet sell enough to pay off that debt.   reckless abandon...

[BananaKing]

i dunno, sony spent 229 million on insomniac.   it may be a whole year before miles and ratchet sell enough to pay off that debt.   reckless abandon...

My sarcasm detector seems to be broken. But im certain this is sarcasm

[Xevross]

I really disagree with this. Sonys vision seems pretty clear. Organic growth of their assets. PSN, PS+, first party IP sales, and online communities, and PS Now.

Its a strategy that is making them increasingly profitable, is sustainable, and shows signs of large growth both for short term and long term. Look at their profits, look at their numbers, they are absolutely killing it. Look at what games are releasing soon, ratchet, horizon, god of war and GT7.

You really think MS is in a better position? Look how much Sony made with the PS4 and now PS5. Since 2013. MS spent 2.5 billion on Minecraft, 8.5 billion on Bethesda and probably another 2-5 billion on other studios.

Thats roughly 12-15 billion. Sonys strategy of organic growth means they didn't need to spend that crazy amount of money, nor do they need to going into the future. And still Sony are releasing more games and making bigger profits than xbox on their games.

Who said anything about better position?

MS are all about game pass and making it the best subscription service in gaming (and maybe even in all media if you asked xbox). Nintendo are all about their first party games on their own Nintendo consoles.

Sony are all about.... money.... in any way they can? I mean yeah, steady growth is fine and all but its not an inspiring movement for the company/ division.

[the-pi-guy]

I would say that Sony's mission is to sell more games, MS's mission is to sell more subscriptions.

I think the latter is easier to package, because they're largely doing what they've always done, but their primary platform is different. They've been making PC games for a while, they've essentially been supporting 2 consoles for a while, a One X/One S -> Series/Series S. It's just now their primarily using those things to relate to Gamepass. More ways to subscribe, more games to play on that subscription.

Sony's mission is a lot harder to package I think. They want to effectively make their IPs more recognizable by making movies and making games for PC.
I don't think their vision is less straight forward, but how one gets there, has less focus than what MS is doing.


But for gamers, Sony's vision is a lot less clear.  If I were to name a game, would you be able to answer what platforms it was coming to?  With MS it feels like an easier thing to answer.  PC, XSX.  

Sony's is like "PS5, maybe PC?  I don't know for sure".

[BananaKing]

Who said anything about better position?

MS are all about game pass and making it the best subscription service in gaming (and maybe even in all media if you asked xbox). Nintendo are all about their first party games on their own Nintendo consoles.

Sony are all about.... money.... in any way they can? I mean yeah, steady growth is fine and all but its not an inspiring movement for the company/ division.

Bruh....

Sonys mission is about games, like Pi said. Its about developing content internally and  externally with third parties  its about the consumer choosing their platform and playing on it. If its its digital, disc, F2P, streaming or whatever.

Thats what they were highlighting yesterday. Their own IPs, third party Games, F2P games. They are about their ecosystem which is built on the content, games.

VR is also coming yo support that and help expand on it.

[Xevross]

Bruh....

Sonys mission is about games, like Pi said. Its about developing content internally and  externally with third parties  its about the consumer choosing their platform and playing on it. If its its digital, disc, F2P, streaming or whatever.

Thats what they were highlighting yesterday. Their own IPs, third party Games, F2P games. They are about their ecosystem which is built on the content, games.

VR is also coming yo support that and help expand on it.

Yeah I know I'm being a bit disingenuous , my main point is that Sony don't have one clear thing they're driving towards, they're just trying their hand in every kind of market. Its not necessarily a bad thing, just an observation.

I think Playstation's return to dominance last gen came as a result of the singular focus of creating the best platform for gaming, and I think now they're risking losing that title while also not really doing enough in any of their newer ventures to make up for it.

[kitler53]

My sarcasm detector seems to be broken. But im certain this is sarcasm

yes, sarcasm.

Yeah I know I'm being a bit disingenuous , my main point is that Sony don't have one clear thing they're driving towards, they're just trying their hand in every kind of market. Its not necessarily a bad thing, just an observation.

I think Playstation's return to dominance last gen came as a result of the singular focus of creating the best platform for gaming, and I think now they're risking losing that title while also not really doing enough in any of their newer ventures to make up for it.

their return to dominance wasn't on the best platform but the best games.  GoW.  Spiderman.  TLoU.  Horizon.  Ghost of Tushima.  Bloodborne. 

that is their plan.  frankly it is the same plan as nintendo,... making games people want to play is far more important than how the content is delivered.   gaming is already the most affordable form of media between subsidized console hardware and a single game being able to provide hundreds of hours of entertainment.  if you can deliver 2-3 "must play" games a year you'll rake in the money.   if you can't you'll flounder like MS...