Video Game Sales Thread

[DerNebel]

How is Verendus an equivalent situation...? Yes, let us compare someone who claims to leak the PS4's upcoming games vs someone who has NPD data... And NPD George was banned because he created a GAF account through Aquamarine's computer, leading to the misunderstanding (that the mods still haven't admitted to).

And sure, GAF's vetting isn't failsafe. How about you apply that same standard with Windows Central? There is seriously no shame in saying "We don't know what the numbers are. Let's just wait."

It's an equivalent situation because Gaf mod vetting doesn't mean they are being shown the numbers from said posters. What the Gaf mods look at is if said users are in a position where they could have access to the information in question. A vetted user can still easily lie his or her dog off, without having to fear any real consequences.

And I feel there's a ton of shame in believing number that come from a source as flimsy as Aquamarine (which for the record I do) while treating this as pure, unverified speculation, I am actually applying the same standard here by believing both.

Oh and you can always reach out to the editor on twitter:

Daniel_Rubino comments on Jez Corden of Windows Central Lied About Knowing NPD Figures

There there dernebel...

I guess creditability and professionalism goes out the window if it's to insult and belittle everything not associated with you... It Really shows legit sources and journalistic integrity there

As for some asinine notion that "you're doubting them so therefore you must cate about the gap" is just a bizarre use of logic... I know ps4 outsold xbox in Nov. I know as of now ps4 outsold xbox in December. I really don't care the gap. I care about legit and accurate information

The closest windows central came to commenting on sales is "xbox out sold ps4 3 months in a row." Which they got from Ms pr. Forgive me for questioning a sudden shift in reporting by a clickbait website

1. The thing is that you weren't just doubting them, from the beginning the thing you were doing was attacking the site, the author and the editor. There's a difference between saying that you want to wait for further confirmation on this data and what you did, which was immediately call the website no name, the author a fanboy and the posted a bit that accuses the editor of having a mental disorder. If that is your way of bringing across that you just doubt something, then I don't want to see how you show that you feel something is fake.

2. Windowscentral is constantly reporting on NPD results.

Results for 'npd' | Windows Central

[Max King of the Wild]

The website is no name and the author is very clearly a fanboy. All the articles you posted were obtained from official PR.

As for the bit I posted, it's from a simple Google search of his name and goes towards the editors credibility

[DerNebel]

The website is no name and the author is very clearly a fanboy. All the articles you posted were obtained from official PR.

As for the bit I posted, it's from a simple Google search of his name and goes towards the editors credibility

Ad hominem attacks are not going to make your argument better.

Also stop moving goal posts. You said Windows Central doesn't report on sales and they clearly do.

The point you're clearly missing here is that being fanboy =/= lies all the time, I'm not denying the intention of the article, it's clearly fanboyish, it's clearly clickbaity but that doesn't mean it's fake.

Oh and btw. it's not like this is the first time Windowscentral has leaked something:

Microsoft's new Surface Bluetooth Keyboard gets close to launch with new promo image | Windows Central

(among others)

But that's it from me for this topic, keep believing what you want. Seriously this reminds of the times when NMS and FFXV were rumoured to be delayed earlier this year, were everyone was just insulting the journalists that broke the story until both turned out to be true.

[Max King of the Wild]

Ad hominem attacks are not going to make your argument better.

Also stop moving goal posts. You said Windows Central doesn't report on sales and they clearly do.

The point you're clearly missing here is that being fanboy =/= lies all the time, I'm not denying the intention of the article, it's clearly fanboyish, it's clearly clickbaity but that doesn't mean it's fake.

Oh and btw. it's not like this is the first time Windowscentral has leaked something:

Microsoft's new Surface Bluetooth Keyboard gets close to launch with new promo image | Windows Central

(among others)

But that's it from me for this topic, keep believing what you want. Seriously this reminds of the times when NMS and FFXV were rumoured to be delayed earlier this year, were everyone was just insulting the journalists that broke the story until both turned out to be true.

"The closest windows central came to commenting on sales is "xbox out sold ps4 3 months in a row." Which they got from Ms pr."

I can't take you seriously anymore

Your link isn't their leak either

[Aura7541]

It's an equivalent situation because Gaf mod vetting doesn't mean they are being shown the numbers from said posters. What the Gaf mods look at is if said users are in a position where they could have access to the information in question. A vetted user can still easily lie his or her dog off, without having to fear any real consequences.

And I feel there's a ton of shame in believing number that come from a source as flimsy as Aquamarine (which for the record I do) while treating this as pure, unverified speculation, I am actually applying the same standard here by believing both.

Oh and you can always reach out to the editor on twitter:

Daniel_Rubino comments on Jez Corden of Windows Central Lied About Knowing NPD Figures

Yes, it's an equivalent situation when Aquamarine's workplace got visited by NPD employees and was asked to permaban her GAF account because she was leaking numbers against NPD's terms of service... And how do you know that GAF vetting doesn't mean showing the numbers from said posters? You seem to know quite a bit more than us, so how about you show us the goods?

So no, you are not applying the same standard. This is the complete opposite from putting Verendus, Aquamarine, and Windows Central under the same rubric of scrutiny.

[ethomaz]

I believe the leak is true but thery are using some pretty big rounding.

XB1 951-1049k
PS4 1051-1149k

[Aura7541]

I believe the leak is true but thery are using some pretty big rounding.

XB1 951-1049k
PS4 1051-1149k

It would be hilarious if the gap is 7-10K.

[DerNebel]

Yes, it's an equivalent situation when Aquamarine's workplace got visited by NPD employees and was asked to permaban her GAF account because she was leaking numbers against NPD's terms of service... And how do you know that GAF vetting doesn't mean showing the numbers from said posters? You seem to know quite a bit more than us, so how about you show us the goods?

So no, you are not applying the same standard. This is the complete opposite from putting Verendus, Aquamarine, and Windows Central under the same rubric of scrutiny.

Dude, cause I read a mod describing the vetting process like that once. What do you expect me to freaking do now, comb through thousands of Neogaf mod comments finding that one where that was mentioned? Just think about this for yourself, do you think Shinobi gets asked to prove himself every time he teases something?

And regarding Aqua being banned the argument that you could make if you didn't want to believe this is simple: Her reasoning could be completely made up, what proof do you have outside of her word? Has the NPD Group ever in an official capacity commented on this situation? She could have any reason in the world for wanting to be banned from Neogaf. "She" could be a 65 year old chinese man, for all we know. See how this works?

This is the internet, anything could be battleship here and there's certainly not a higher level of trustworthyness in some forum people with no face making claims of sharing true NPD numbers than in an established website having their writers and editors come out and say that they are 100% certain in the NPD numbers that they have acquired and shared.

[Aura7541]

Dude, cause I read a mod describing the vetting process like that once. What do you expect me to freaking do now, comb through thousands of Neogaf mod comments finding that one where that was mentioned? Just think about this for yourself, do you think Shinobi gets asked to prove himself every time he teases something?

And regarding Aqua being banned the argument that you could make if you didn't want to believe this is simple: Her reasoning could be completely made up, what proof do you have outside of her word? Has the NPD Group ever in an official capacity commented on this situation? She could have any reason in the world for wanting to be banned from Neogaf. "She" could be 65 year old chinese man, for all we know. See how this works?

This is the internet, anything could be battleship here and there's certainly not a higher level of trustworthyness in some forum people with no face making claims of sharing true NPD numbers than in an established website having their writers and editors come out and say that they are 100% certain in the NPD numbers that they have acquired and shared.

Again with the false equivalence, only this time with Shinobi... He has proven that his leaks are right consistently. His track record has been good to the point that we have a thread here asking if his leaks should be treated as spoilers. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Now do your due diligence.

And what proof do I have that Aquamarine is legit? ZhugeEx and CosmicQueso (when he still had access) didn't call her out on her BS if she was spreading false information. So I'm rather aware how this works. It's just you haven't put a meticulous enough thought into it.

And yes, this is the internet, so perhaps we should approach Windows Central's numbers with skepticism unless you aren't willing to put everyone under the same level of scrutiny.

[Max King of the Wild]

It would be hilarious if the gap is 7-10K.

Extremely

[DerNebel]

Again with the false equivalence, only this time with Shinobi... He has proven that his leaks are right consistently. His track record has been good to the point that we have a thread here asking if his leaks should be treated as spoilers. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Now do your due diligence.

And what proof do I have that Aquamarine is legit? ZhugeEx and CosmicQueso (when he still had access) didn't call her out on her BS if she was spreading false information. So I'm rather aware how this works. It's just you haven't put a meticulous enough thought into it.

And yes, this is the internet, so perhaps we should approach Windows Central's numbers with skepticism unless you aren't willing to put everyone under the same level of scrutiny.

Jesus Christ...

So you expect me, who btw doesn't have a Gaf account and can't even search through the post history of users, to find this one post made by a mod who knows how long ago? Really? I'm never going to find that original post, but here are 4 Neogaf posts that describe the vetting process in the same way I did:

NeoGAF - View Single Post -  E3 2015 Predictions & Discussion thread

Originally Posted by ZarKryn7
 
 

 
 WHAT IN THE ACTUAL?!?!...

 

Guys, just remember that just because the person was vetted doesn't mean their info is legit, it means they've proved that they're in a position to obtain legit info. We've had people vetted before that turned out to have incorrect info.But still, get fudgy hype.

Originally Posted by OrbitalMatrix
 
 

 
 Yeah I don't plan to do anything like that, because I don't have a clue what Sony is showing and I'm just as excited as everyone else lol But, I'm feeling optimistic about TLG after this week, very optimistic and like I say, will be very surprised if it doesn't show up.

 

Wait... what? You were vetted by saying that you "feel optimistic"?

Originally Posted by OrbitalMatrix
 
 

 
 I wouldn't be adamant that something will be shown if that was the case.

 

I don't know what the fudge to believe.
 

NeoGAF - View Single Post -  Nintendo Switch Dev Kit Stats Leaked? Cortex A57, 4GB RAM, 32GB Storage, Multi-Touch.

Originally Posted by Fourth Storm
 
 

 
 You have valid points re: architecture, although the real world results have yet to be seen. If RAM bandwidth is really only 25.6 GB/s, I hate to use strong words, but that's pathetic. Worse than Wii U w/ it's eDRAM pool used efficiently. We'll see what they can do with tiling and a small pool of on-die SRAM perhaps. Bandwidth may very well be the bottleneck the poster on anandtech was speaking of. This is all rumor, of course.

 

Considering RAM is the one thing Nintendo has never been shy about overdoing, I really don't think we should worry about it.

Originally Posted by Tom Nook Sawyer
 
 

 
 What has he been right about before? What proof do we have he was actually "vetted?" And what's the extent of the "vetting" process? 10k's still around

 

He has posted fairly frequently over the past few days and his posts have been sourced a lot, so if he is lying about going to the mods before posting this info we would know by now (a mod would tell us/ban him).  Now, it's true that we have no way to know if his info is legit, but mods typically require insiders to prove that they are in a position to know this info. Not that the info itself has to be accurate. So obviously all insider posts should be taken as such, with a grain of salt.
 

NeoGAF - View Single Post -  Sony E3 2015 Press Conference Dated.

Originally Posted by SolidSnakex
 
 

 
 I'm pretty sure that bish has also said that all they can do as mods is verify that someone is in the position to have insider knowledge. They can't verify that everything that person says is correct.

 

Yep. I remember him saying that too.
 

NeoGAF - View Single Post -  Sony doesn't allow Fallout 4/Skyrim mods on PS4

Originally Posted by Tigress
 
 

 
 Ever stop to think Sony at one point might have told Bethesda it would be fine? It makes a lot more sense than Bethesda deciding to make up that it was fine given that at first they said they would like to but it was up to Sony and then made an announce,ent that it was goin to happen. Seems at one point they were waiting for Sony to say it was ok and for some reason (probably Sony giving the go ahead) were under the impression it would happen. Sony might not have realized something about mods (maybe that they wouldn't be qa'd or the requirement to let people mess with their proprietary audio) and when they learned they then balked about it (easier for them to do as it would be Bethesda getting the flack as Bethesda was the one who announced it). Honestly it makes more sense that Sony is the one that lied rather than Bethesda.

 

No, it doesn't. Especially since the only side of the story we've heard on this is Bethesda's (and one message from someone who theoretically would be in a position to know something about this without confirmation that that message is actually true, which is what a Bish check for insider info actually does).
 I'd still say it's more likely that if the real issue is the QA thing, Bethesda knew about this stipulation the whole time and they either thought Sony would drop it because they thought it was ridiculous, they (Bethesda) would get around it because they're a big publisher, or they figured they could use public outcry to try to pressure Sony to change it (which is what they're doing right now). In which case, I think it's pretty shady that they waited until after the last bit of DLC released to let people know.
 

Neogaf mods do not vet every leak.

ZhugeEx, Cosmicqueso or MatPiscatella didn't call Windowscentral out either.

[ethomaz]

Just to explain a bit...

When GAF says they vetted somebody just means the guy confirmed these info true.

But after that no mod is verifying new info from this guy... he can start to sell battleship.

Think like that...

1) Guy says the numbers as xxxx
2) Mods ask evidences
3) User send evidences and get vetted
4) User shares new numbers
5) No mod checks evidences again

What I'm saying is that only the first leak is validated by Mods there.

That create room for a lot of mistakes.

I remember when Thurway start to "leak" so much things that mods started to ask evidences every time he posted something and after that the Mods even started to require two sources (evidences) from him... he got banned a lot of times for false info (most was false or have a bad source).

[Mmm_fish_tacos]

[BananaKing]

At this point I would say we'll have to accept these numbers as true, both the author and the editor of the website have come out in that thread to swear on these numbers and it's not like we had anyone, official or leaker, refute them either (I mean remember that there is an NPD guy on Gaf now that could at least say if this was wrong). Also while this article is clearly a fanboy piece it is still not like this website is some small no-name site that can just get away with posting clearly falsified numbers.

Looks like the US is lagging behind this year, but the rest of the world seems to be taking up the pace instead, maybe Americans are too busy buying water and supplies in preparation for a Trump presidency to actually buy consoles, lol.

wut? no. lol

PS4 sold 2.6 million. Xbox sold .7 million

these numbers are true. 100%. i have my sources that have real information.

should you accept my data as fact? no. then neither should we accept that site. ill wait for actual data and info from legitimate sources. not just anyone who says they have numbers.

[Aura7541]

Jesus Christ...

Neogaf mods do not vet every leak.

ZhugeEx, Cosmicqueso or MatPiscatella didn't call Windowscentral out either.

Good. I commend you for doing your due diligence. However...

CosmicQueso doesn't have direct access to NPD's numbers and he hasn't been on GAF since before someone showed Windows Central's numbers. MatPiscatella is limited on the content he's allowed to talk about. Zhuge neither verified or debunked Windows Central's numbers. In contrast, when Aquamarine showed numbers, CosmicQueso and ZhugeEx have expressed their takes on the market based on the numbers she showed. They wouldn't have done that if her numbers were false. This is why context is important rather than just looking at one similarity.

I should note that this is the third time you have resorted to the false equivalence fallacy. You can't say two situations are identical based on just a small similarity. That's just not how it works...