Will Trump be the next US president?

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Quote from: DerNebel on May 04, 2016, 04:50 PMSo Trump is actually going to be nominated huh? May I ask what the fudge is wrong with your country guys?
We arent smart
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The basics about this is Bernie would lose as a majority of democrats wouldnt support him, only minorities and young people(myself included if he had a more though out plan for everything),
Clinton of course is considered a liar but isnt as toxic as Trump is. Trump will get steamrolled in the GE mark my words ill do a ban bet on it.
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Quote from: Max King of the Wild on May 07, 2016, 01:18 PMWas that the shortest lived VP run ever?
What other candidates? It's been Hillary and Obama since 2008. One can't run anymore.

As I said months ago, Bernie has a snowballs chance in hell. He isn't a smart option.  Never was. He was actually pretty clueless when it came to economics (Student loans/Uber)

There were 3 other candidates in October.  They were and are nobodiesz but arguably so was Bernie.  But Bernie managed to make himself stand out.  

I would hardly call him clueless.  He's merely out of place when it comes to the US.  Far too right wing for him.  He's be perfect politically in Europe.  

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Quote from: Cute Pikachu on May 07, 2016, 02:51 PMWe arent smart
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The basics about this is Bernie would lose as a majority of democrats wouldnt support him, only minorities and young people(myself included if he had a more though out plan for everything),
Clinton of course is considered a liar but isnt as toxic as Trump is. Trump will get steamrolled in the GE mark my words ill do a ban bet on it.
What do you consider steam rolled?

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Quote from: Max King of the Wild on May 07, 2016, 05:22 PMWhat do you consider steam rolled?
Clinton is currently neck and neck(in terms of polling) with Trump in places like Georgia, if even Georgia votes Clinton then i could see other right wing states too and Trump is basically iced.
Sources for the Georgia statement
Shock poll: Trump, Clinton in statistical tie in Georgia | TheHill
Stunning Poll Reveals Hillary Clinton And Donald Trump Are Tied In Georgia
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How Hillary Clinton Loses to Donald Trump - POLITICO Magazine

A rather interesting take. Of course, not all four scenarios will happen, but it's not going to be a runaway election for Hillary either.

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 The differences between Hillary 2008 and Bernie now: The GOP alternative is far more dangerous than McCain Bernie is in scorched Earth mode This is why people want him to wrap it up.

 
There is no evidence that the timing of him dropping out has anything to do with the Democrats ability to campaign against Trump. This is chicken little stuff. John McCain won the nomination on March 4th and Obama took three more months, an even larger gap between Republicans having their shame together and Democrats getting their candidate than we'll see this cycle. What do you remember about McCain's campaign from March to June? Nothing, of course. The idea that Trump can focus on Hillary (because she's definitely going to be the nominee!!!!!) but Hillary can't focus on Trump (because she is spending 107% of her money and mortgaging her house just to fight off no-hoper Bernie Sanders!!!!!!) is asinine.  It's also not the case that Bernie is in scorched earth mode. Are people so deluded by coverage of screeching redditor Bernie fans that they think this is scorched earth mode? In 2008 around this time Hillary was shopping around pictures of Obama wearing brown people clothing as part of flirting with Birtherism. Substantive disagreements between Hillary and Obama were far more brutal than between Sanders and Clinton. Hillary explicitly claimed Obama would not be fit to pick up the red phone in the middle of the night. Bernie is appealing to get some DNC members shuffled around at the convention? Maybe you see this as evidence he'll stop at nothing, until you remember that Hillary's campaign spent all of May 2008 arguing with the DNC on technicalities surrounding the Michigan/Florida delegates that would have helped her if she had won the appeal. Bernie fans claim they'll never vote for Hillary? I'm old enough to remember Barack Obama being called "an inadequate black male" by "Party Unity My dog" members, mad because a Kenyan usurper stole their party. I don't expect you to have knowledge of history, but I at least expect you to have enough to remember there was at least one election before this. Even at the absolute nadir of tensions today, the party has not been remotely as divided was it was in 2008. Or 1992. Or 1988. Or 1980. Or 1976. Or 1972. Or 1968. Like, come on.  1968 had literal riots at the convention, with hundreds of people arrested and tear gassed, after the presumptive nominee was shot to death (incidentally, during the first week of June, the same week that we're in right now and people claim is apparently too late to pivot to general election campaigning) and the sitting president forced to quit running for re-election.  "The GOP alternative is more dangerous than McCain" Ideologically? Sure, but for every degree more crazy he is than McCain, he also alienates moderates more than McCain did. McCain was in a better polling position for most of 2008 than Trump was now, he had better favourables that Trump did now (inside and outside the Republican party). Don't just make assertions that Bernie Is Totally Tanking Hillary's Candidacy And He Has To Drop Out Now. There are intuitive arguments about why losers should drop out so winning campaigns have the most time they can to campaign, but they're not grounded in reality or history. So instead of just making intuitive arguments about what your gut feels, go out and actually get some information.
 

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Quote from: the-Pi-guy on Jun 03, 2016, 06:50 PMNeoGAF - View Single Post -  Harry Reid to Bernie Sanders: 'math is math' 'sometimes you just have to give up'
There is no evidence that the timing of him dropping out has anything to do with the Democrats ability to campaign against Trump. This is chicken little stuff. John McCain won the nomination on March 4th and Obama took three more months, an even larger gap between Republicans having their shame together and Democrats getting their candidate than we'll see this cycle. What do you remember about McCain's campaign from March to June? Nothing, of course. The idea that Trump can focus on Hillary (because she's definitely going to be the nominee!!!!!) but Hillary can't focus on Trump (because she is spending 107% of her money and mortgaging her house just to fight off no-hoper Bernie Sanders!!!!!!) is asinine.  It's also not the case that Bernie is in scorched earth mode. Are people so deluded by coverage of screeching redditor Bernie fans that they think this is scorched earth mode? In 2008 around this time Hillary was shopping around pictures of Obama wearing brown people clothing as part of flirting with Birtherism. Substantive disagreements between Hillary and Obama were far more brutal than between Sanders and Clinton. Hillary explicitly claimed Obama would not be fit to pick up the red phone in the middle of the night. Bernie is appealing to get some DNC members shuffled around at the convention? Maybe you see this as evidence he'll stop at nothing, until you remember that Hillary's campaign spent all of May 2008 arguing with the DNC on technicalities surrounding the Michigan/Florida delegates that would have helped her if she had won the appeal. Bernie fans claim they'll never vote for Hillary? I'm old enough to remember Barack Obama being called "an inadequate black male" by "Party Unity My dog" members, mad because a Kenyan usurper stole their party. I don't expect you to have knowledge of history, but I at least expect you to have enough to remember there was at least one election before this. Even at the absolute nadir of tensions today, the party has not been remotely as divided was it was in 2008. Or 1992. Or 1988. Or 1980. Or 1976. Or 1972. Or 1968. Like, come on.  1968 had literal riots at the convention, with hundreds of people arrested and tear gassed, after the presumptive nominee was shot to death (incidentally, during the first week of June, the same week that we're in right now and people claim is apparently too late to pivot to general election campaigning) and the sitting president forced to quit running for re-election.  "The GOP alternative is more dangerous than McCain" Ideologically? Sure, but for every degree more crazy he is than McCain, he also alienates moderates more than McCain did. McCain was in a better polling position for most of 2008 than Trump was now, he had better favourables that Trump did now (inside and outside the Republican party). Don't just make assertions that Bernie Is Totally Tanking Hillary's Candidacy And He Has To Drop Out Now. There are intuitive arguments about why losers should drop out so winning campaigns have the most time they can to campaign, but they're not grounded in reality or history. So instead of just making intuitive arguments about what your gut feels, go out and actually get some information.
 
hillary is spending time and money to win the california primary.  california,.. the most democrat friendly state in america.  it is a waste of time and effort and money that could be spent on general election battleground states.
         

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Quote from: kitler53 on Jun 03, 2016, 07:37 PMhillary is spending time and money to win the california primary.  california,.. the most democrat friendly state in america.  it is a waste of time and effort and money that could be spent on general election battleground states.
It sounds like she already has. 
In California, Hillary Clinton campaigns against Donald Trump (not Bernie Sanders) - LA Times

If she was actually spending money to win the CA primary then she is a bigger idiot than what you claim Sanders is. 

At this point, she could drop out and still win.  I see no indication that it's about the primary for her.  And if it is, she's an idiot.