The System Isn’t ‘Rigged’ Against Sanders; Clinton’s winning because more Democrats want her to be the nominee

Started by kitler53, May 27, 2016, 01:11 PM

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A week ago, New York Daily News columnist and Bernie Sanders supporter Shaun King tweeted the following about the Democratic caucuses in Washington, which took place in late March:


Whether King intended it or not, he implied that caucuses — which often require hours of participation and mean lower turnout — are representative of what would happen if a larger electorate had its say. Well, a funny thing happened in Washington on Tuesday: The state held a mail-in, beauty-contest primary — so voting was easy, but no delegates were at stake. (The Associated Press has declared Hillary Clinton the winner.) The results are still being finalized, but Clinton leads by about 6 percentage points with more than 700,000 votes counted. Sanders won the Washington caucuses, which had 230,000 participants, by 46 percentage points.

So, turnout was much higher in the Washington primary than in the caucuses, and Clinton did much better. Something similar happened in Nebraska, where Clinton lost the early March caucuses by 14 percentage points and won the early May primary, in which no delegates were awarded, by 7 points.

Nebraska and Washington are part of a pattern. As Sanders fans claim that the Democratic primary system is rigged against their candidate and that Sanders wins when turnout is higher, they fail to point out that Sanders has benefited tremendously from low-turnout caucuses. Indeed, if all the caucuses were primaries, Clinton would be winning the Democratic nomination by an even wider margin than she is now.

Let's start out with the real-world numbers. Here are the delegate and vote totals by contest, including caucuses and primaries, so far:

[th][/th]
[th]POPULAR VOTE (THOUSANDS)[/th]
[th]PLEDGED DELEGATES[/th]
[th]STATE[/th]
[th]CAUCUS[/th]
[th]CLOSED[/th]
[th]WINNER[/th]
[th][/th]
[th]CLINTON[/th]
[th]SANDERS[/th]
[th]CLINTON[/th]
[th]SANDERS[/th]
IowaClinton+085852321
N.H.Sanders+2295152915
NevadaClinton+544402015
South CarolinaClinton+47272963914
AlabamaClinton+5930976449
Am. SamoaClinton+43<1<142
ArkansasClinton+36146662210
GeorgiaClinton+435462167329
MassachusettsClinton+16075904645
OklahomaSanders+101391741721
TennesseeClinton+342461214423
TexasClinton+3293647714775
VermontSanders+7218116016
VirginiaClinton+295052766233
ColoradoSanders+1950732541
MinnesotaSanders+23781263146
LouisianaClinton+48222723714
NebraskaSanders+1414191015
KansasSanders+3513261023
MaineSanders+291630817
MichiganSanders+15825996367
MississippiClinton+6618738315
N. MarianasClinton+20<1<142
FloridaClinton+311,10156914173
IllinoisClinton+21,0409997977
MissouriClinton+03123113635
North CarolinaClinton+146234676047
OhioClinton+136975358162
Dems abroadSanders+38112449
ArizonaClinton+152621934233
UtahSanders+591560627
IdahoSanders+57519518
HawaiiSanders+401024817
WashingtonSanders+46621672774
AlaskaSanders+5928313
WisconsinSanders+144345703848
WyomingSanders+113477
New YorkClinton+161,134820139108
PennsylvaniaClinton+1292272210683
Rhode IslandSanders+1253671113
ConnecticutClinton+51701522827
DelawareClinton+215637129
MarylandClinton+295733106134
IndianaSanders+53033353944
GuamClinton+191143
West VirginiaSanders+16861231118
KentuckyClinton+02132112827
OregonSanders+132643472635
TotalClinton+1213,46310,5441,7711,499
Democratic votes and delegates based on actual results [/table]

Popular vote in Iowa, Nevada, Maine, Washington and Wyoming is estimated based on overall turnout.

Sources: Dave Leip's Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections, The Green Papers, U.S. Elections Project


 
Counting only caucuses, Sanders has won 63 percent of the vote, 64 percent of the delegates and 11 of the 16 contests. In doing so, he has earned 341 elected delegates, compared with Clinton's 195 delegates, for a margin of 146 delegates. These caucuses have had approximately1 1.1 million participants. As a point of comparison, turnout in the caucuses has been only about 13 percent of the total number of votes President Obama got in the 2012 presidential election in these states.2

Sanders has done far worse in the states that have held primaries. Counting just primaries, including Tuesday's in Washington,3 Sanders has won only 42 percent of the vote, 42 percent of delegates and 10 of the 34 statewide contests.4 Clinton earned 1,576 elected delegates, compared with Sanders's 1,158, for a margin of 418. The turnout in these contests has been far higher than in the caucuses, with a little more than 24 million votes cast. That's about 49 percent of the total number of votes Obama got in the 2012 election in these states.5

Now, it is fair to point out that the caucuses have taken place in states that are demographically different than the primary states. Caucus states in 2016 are overwhelmingly white and overwhelmingly rural compared with primary states. Still, these differences don't come close to explaining the differences in results between the caucuses and primaries so far. We can look to Nebraska and Washington as two examples of the disparity. Of course, one could argue that because no delegates were up for grabs in those states' primaries, the campaigns didn't really compete for residents' votes and therefore those contests aren't representative of what a truly competitive primary would look like there. Fortunately, because the vote in the Democratic primary has largely broken down along demographic lines, we can use statistical models to approximate what would happen if states that held caucuses had held primaries instead.

At various times, we've tried using demographics to model the vote in the Democratic nomination contest so far. The model considers each 2016 contest and controls for (i) the black and Hispanic share of the Democratic vote in that state in the 2008 general election, (ii) whether that primary or caucus is "open" to independent voters unaffiliated with a political party, and (iii) the margin in national primary polls at the time the contest is held. This model estimates that holding caucuses instead of primaries is a massive advantage for Sanders. In fact, Clinton would do about 20 to 25 percentage points better relative to Sanders if a state changed from a caucus to a primary, the model estimates.

Here's how we project each caucus would have gone if a primary had been held instead:6

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[th]POPULAR VOTE (THOUSANDS)[/th]
[th]PLEDGED DELEGATES[/th]
[th]STATE[/th]
[th]CLOSED[/th]
[th]WINNER[/th]
[th][/th]
[th]CLINTON[/th]
[th]SANDERS[/th]
[th]CLINTON[/th]
[th]SANDERS[/th]
IowaClinton+243011822717
NevadaClinton+291851012312
Am. SamoaClinton+604151
ColoradoClinton+63312953531
MinnesotaClinton+14023943938
NebraskaClinton+779701312
KansasSanders+12911161518
MaineSanders+5921021213
N. MarianasClinton+393142
UtahSanders+39521201023
IdahoSanders+373372716
HawaiiSanders+1763881015
WashingtonClinton+64714185348
AlaskaSanders+401740511
WyomingClinton+13191586
GuamClinton+4210452
Current primary statesClinton+1413,0649,8611,5761,158
TotalClinton+1215,21611,8801,8471,423
Projected Democratic results if caucus states had held primaries [/table]

Sanders fans have claimed that because caucuses have lower turnout the current national caucus and primary vote underrates how well Sanders is doing. In fact, the opposite is true. When we switch all caucuses over to primaries, Sanders actually does worse. Clinton's lead in the popular vote would grow from 2.9 to 3.3 million votes. Moreover, her edge in elected delegates would expand significantly.7 Instead of her current lead of 272 elected delegates, Clinton would be ahead by 424.8 Some states that were won by Sanders in caucuses, including Colorado and Minnesota, would be won by Clinton in primaries, according to our calculations.

In fact, counting the 537 superdelegates The Associated Press currently gives Clinton, she would likely have 2,384 total delegates if every state had held a primary. That's one more than necessary to clinch the nomination.

But what would happen if every state held a primary that was open to independent voters? Independent voters, after all, have been among Sanders's strongest groups, and Sanders supporters have consistently cited closed contests as evidence the game is rigged. We can rerun the same regression as above but estimate what would happen if all the primaries are open to unaffiliated voters.

[th][/th]
[th]POPULAR VOTE (THOUSANDS)[/th]
[th]PLEDGED DELEGATES[/th]
[th]STATE[/th]
[th]WINNER[/th]
[th][/th]
[th]CLINTON[/th]
[th]SANDERS[/th]
[th]CLINTON[/th]
[th]SANDERS[/th]
IowaClinton+243011822717
NevadaClinton+181881302114
Am. SamoaClinton+604151
ColoradoSanders+63313733135
MinnesotaClinton+14023943938
LouisianaClinton+392401003615
NebraskaSanders+579881213
KansasSanders+23901441320
MaineSanders+16911271015
N. MarianasClinton+303242
FloridaClinton+201,15976012985
ArizonaClinton+42672483936
UtahSanders+39521201023
IdahoSanders+373372716
HawaiiSanders+1763881015
WashingtonClinton+64714185348
AlaskaSanders+501648412
WyomingClinton+2191977
New YorkClinton+41,1461,049129118
PennsylvaniaClinton+09159079594
ConnecticutSanders+61762002629
DelawareClinton+958491110
MarylandClinton+185813995639
GuamClinton+3111652
KentuckySanders+102052562431
OregonSanders+252514182338
Current open primary statesClinton+128,1466,429956715
TotalClinton+815,29813,0241,7821,488
Projected results if every state had held an open primary [/table]

An "open" primary allows the participation of voters not registered with either major political party.
 

Clinton's margin in the national popular vote shrinks to about 8 percentage points (from 12). That's because opening a primary to independent voters shrinks Clinton's margin in a state by about 10 percentage points on average, according to the model. Sanders would also project to win Connecticut and Kentucky, which he lost in the real world when they held closed primaries.

Still, this wouldn't make all that much difference. Just 11 states9 held closed primaries, so the national vote is mostly reflective of a process open to unaffiliated voters. Indeed, Clinton has won 14 primaries10 open to independent voters, while Sanders has won nine.

In fact, if all states held primaries open to independents — instead of closed primaries, or caucuses of any kind — Clinton might have a larger lead in elected delegates than she does now. The model indicates that Clinton would have a lead of 294 elected delegates, compared with the 272 she holds now. That's not a huge difference, but it means that Clinton has been hurt at least as much by caucuses as Sanders has been hurt by closed primaries.

What would happen if the primary system conformed to each candidate's best-case scenario? (All closed primaries for Clinton and all caucuses open to independent voters for Sanders.) If every state held a closed primary, Clinton would beat Sanders by 19 percentage points and have a 654 elected delegate advantage, we estimate. If, however, each state held an open caucus, Sanders would beat Clinton by 22 percentage points nationwide and have a 496 elected delegate lead. Of course, neither of those scenarios would happen.

Realistically, if you throw everything together, the math suggests that Sanders doesn't have much to complain about. If the Democratic nomination were open to as many Democrats as possible — through closed primaries — Clinton would be dominating Sanders. And if the nomination were open to as many voters as possible — through open primaries — she'd still be winning.


Footnotes
  • Some states, such as Nevada, do not release official turnout totals. In states without official totals, approximations were released. We used these approximations as compiled by Michael McDonald at the United States Elections Project. ^
  • We exclude territories from this estimate because they don't vote in general elections. ^
  • The Washington count is as of Thursday morning, Eastern time. ^
  • This includes the Nebraska primary for which no delegates were awarded. ^
  • We exclude the Democrats Abroad primary because there is no equivalent contest in the general election. ^
  • In Washington and Nebraska, which actually held a primary in addition to a caucus, we used the primary results instead of the model to estimate Clinton's and Sanders's vote shares, although we used the model to estimate what turnout would have been. ^
  • Why does Clinton's delegate lead expand so significantly while her margin in the popular vote does not? If a state changes from a caucus to a primary, Clinton does better and gains more delegates in these states. But caucuses have such small voter participation that they don't really contribute much to the national vote total. According to our calculations, turnout typically goes up about three to four times when you move from a caucus to a primary. (This is based on a simple regression in which the dependent variable is turnout as ratio of Obama votes in the 2012 general election. The regression controls for whether independent voters can vote in the primary.) So, Clinton does better in the shift from caucuses to primaries, but we're still adding a bunch of votes from more Sanders friendly states such as Colorado and Minnesota to the overall popular vote count. As a result, the national primary vote wouldn't change — Clinton would win by 12 percentage points according to our calculation. ^
  • In our projections of how caucus states would vote if they held a primary instead, delegates were allocated strictly proportionally. ^
  • Including Nebraska. ^
  • Including Washington. ^
         

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Max King of the Wild

I like the tweet that makes it sound like 5.11 million people voted for Sanders in Washington

I also love the ignorant morons who believe the nominations are un-American / antidemocratic. The parties are a separate entity. they can decide how to pick their nominee (which is the way it's been for decades... Which Sanders was aware of from the start). I mean, they are running it in the best interest of their party... Why would they want a loon like Sanders who is self proclaimed independent who changed to Democrat to be able to tap in one of the major parties resources to be the voice of the party? And why would they want people who aren't aligned with their party to decide the fate of the party?

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Quote from: Max King of the Wild on May 27, 2016, 01:31 PMI like the tweet that makes it sound like 5.11 million people voted for Sanders in Washington

I also love the ignorant morons who believe the nominations are un-American / antidemocratic. The parties are a separate entity. they can decide how to pick their nominee (which is the way it's been for decades... Which Sanders was aware of from the start). I mean, they are running it in the best interest of their party... Why would they want a loon like Sanders who is self proclaimed independent who changed to Democrat to be able to tap in one of the major parties resources to be the voice of the party? And why would they want people who aren't aligned with their party to decide the fate of the party?
Just look at the absurd number of Americans who think that the US is or was intended to be a direct democracy instead of a constitutional republic. Our government was actually designed to avoid, as much as possible, the stupidity of the masses shaping policies while still giving the people some kind of voice.

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