Share your controversial opinions

[kitler53]

I agree!  


My abortion opinion is pretty controversial.  

A lot of people argue two things
1.) Women should get control of their bodies.  
I understand this opinion, but I don't agree with it, in this context.  That woman (in most circumstances) had control of her body, and made a choice that resulted in something she didn't want.  If someone made some weird choice that ended up causing them to be attached to another person, and said hey I want a surgery to remove this other person from my shoulder.  And the doctor says, well they won't survive the surgery.  Who gets the right to control their body?  Why doesn't the fetus get any right?  

2.)  "Science has defined when life started"
I think this is a weird thing to look at.  It's one that many could argue about, because there's no objective point.  Is it when they start thinking, is it when they start breathing, is it when they come out of the womb, is it when their heart starts beating, is it when it becomes something resembling a human?  
I think regardless of opinion, that the fetus has the potential for life, and that life should be preserved.  
2A.) But "semen also has the potential for life"
Not in the same way.  This is like a die that is placed with the number 3 up.  If you never roll the die, it can't become a 6.  It doesn't have any potential to become a six unless it gets rolled.  In very much the same way, a sperm doesn't have any potential to become a fetus unless it meets an egg.  


To be honest, I'd like to see science develop new ways to allow a woman to have control of her body without having to choose abortion.  

not controversial to me because i agree.  naughtiness is a choice.  by all means do it,.. everyone here knows how perverted my posts are.  i'm totally in favor of people having naughtiness. just be smart about protection and understand there are risks and you might have to accept those consequences. 

i just don't get how a women could be arrested if she refused to feed her 1 week old but doing affectively the same to her negative 6 month old is ok. 
 
so yeah, the only sensible place to have life count as life is conception to me. 

[BananaKing]

BananaKing is attractive.

how dare you call me anything other than extremely undeniably outstandingly attractive?

[Xevross]

Go ahead...

Lol I was only wondering if you were actually hurt by what I said.

On the abortion topic, I think it should be down to the woman's choice. However, they should be given plenty of advice beforehand so they can make an educated decision.

[Dr. Pezus]

aww thanks, thats so sweet.  

i'm pro life and think abortion is murder.   i will never understand how anyone can view a baby as not living just because the life is new and early.  give the kid up for adoption but don't end its life.  

that said if we (america) were to stop allowing abortions the other pro lifers need to stop also trying to abolish contraceptive and education with abortion.  naughtiness is a choice and your (probably religious) views need not apply.  i just believe life is the greatest thing in the world and should be preserved but that with choice also comes concequnce.

lastly, i think abortion is okay in cases of rape.  i can't be okay with a policy that at any level incentivises violence against women.  being raped is not a choice and a women shouldn't have to suffer the concequences of that after suffering the rape itself.

What about abortion for medical reasons?

[kitler53]

What about abortion for medical reasons?

oh right,. the life of the mother thing.

if it really is down to someone is going to die the choice is who then i can see the need for an exception.  i think a women deciding to save her own life at the expense of the unborn child is a difficult and shaming but understandable decision to make.

but on the other hand the life of the mother late term abortion is something that is already abused in the current system.  seems to me like maybe a bit more regulation might be needed to define what that means. 

[Dr. Pezus]

oh right,. the life of the mother thing.

if it really is down to someone is going to die the choice is who then i can see the need for an exception.  i think a women deciding to save her own life at the expense of the unborn child is a difficult and shaming but understandable decision to make.

but on the other hand the life of the mother late term abortion is something that is already abused in the current system.  seems to me like maybe a bit more regulation might be needed to define what that means.  

Wellbeing of the unborn child and the woman, I mean.

Well I only think abortion should be possible for medical reasons and some extreme social reasons too (rape etc.).

Saying naughtiness etc. is a choice is simplifying things too much. naughtiness is something all humans should be able to have, and the vast majority need some form of naughtiness. Saying it's a choice is basically blaming the "victim" for something the environment has more control over than the victim itself. It's like blaming fat people for being fat, when in reality they have less control over that than most people think.

[kitler53]

Wellbeing of the unborn child and the woman, I mean.

Well I only think abortion should be possible for medical reasons and some extreme social reasons too (rape etc.).

Saying naughtiness etc. is a choice is simplifying things too much. naughtiness is something all humans should be able to have, and the vast majority need some form of naughtiness. Saying it's a choice is basically blaming the "victim" for something the environment has more control over than the victim itself. It's like blaming fat people for being fat, when in reality they have less control over that than most people think.

naughtiness is a choice and more importantly safe naughtiness is a choice.  if you don't want a child it's not hard in this day and age to have naughtiness and not get pregnant.  using abortion as a fallback option to practicing safe naughtiness in the first place is (to me) unacceptable. 

[7H3]

Saying naughtiness etc. is a choice is simplifying things too much. naughtiness is something all humans should be able to have, and the vast majority need some form of naughtiness. Saying it's a choice is basically blaming the "victim" for something the environment has more control over than the victim itself. It's like blaming fat people for being fat, when in reality they have less control over that than most people think.

This sounds like you are removing responsibility of one's own personal choices, and is a very dangerous path of logic. ie: I couldn't help but kill dozens of people slowly and cruelly its in my nature. I'm not responsible for it. It was my environment."
That is ridiculous...

[Dr. Pezus]

This sounds like you are removing responsibility of one's own personal choices, and is a very dangerous path of logic. ie: I couldn't help but kill dozens of people slowly and cruelly its in my nature. I'm not responsible for it. It was my environment."
That is ridiculous...

That is indeed a ridiculous analogy. Killing is not a human need. naughtiness is seen as a basic human need. The effects of the environment on various factors are undeniable and have been proven scientifically. Victim blaming is also a very well recognized problem, sadly. And yes, people can, more or less, become victims of their environment and society. That doesn't mean that they can get away with everything but it does mean that we need to look at various other factors before we simplify everything by saying everything we do is down to choice.

For example, educated people are much more likely to use protection during naughtiness. Poor people are way less likely than rich people to do it. Is it because they choose to have more mouths to feed, because they choose not to buy condoms, choose to ignore the consequences or does something else come into play?

[the-pi-guy]

That is indeed a ridiculous analogy. Killing is not a human need. naughtiness is seen as a basic human need.

You mean, I've gone almost 20 years without this basic need?  Gosh...
There are also lots of other ways to get off without having naughtiness.  Disagree that it's a need.
7H3's analogy was a bit over the top.  

The effects of the environment on various factors are undeniable and have been proven scientifically. Victim blaming is also a very well recognized problem, sadly. And yes, people can, more or less, become victims of their environment and society. That doesn't mean that they can get away with everything but it does mean that we need to look at various other factors before we simplify everything by saying everything we do is down to choice.

Becoming pregnant means that person is a victim?  

For example, educated people are much more likely to use protection during naughtiness. Poor people are way less likely than rich people to do it. Is it because they choose to have more mouths to feed, because they choose not to buy condoms, choose to ignore the consequences or does something else come into play?

Additionally rich people are too busy to have children.  
Like I said, there are other ways to get off without resorting to naughtiness.  
And yes, lots of people do choose to ignore consequences.  Particularly in the 13-20ish range.  Males in that age are known to take risks, and women, even if it's not something they are pushing for, often still get involved in naughtiness for emotional reasons, or peer pressure.  It is certainly not a need and many people this age choose not to have naughtiness until marriage or just until they're older.  Lots and lots of people have healthily avoided that "need." Education isn't the end all.  There are lots of teens, that grew up in church learning that naughtiness before marriage is bad, and lots of teens that learn about all the ways to avoid pregnancy in a health class, and yet still go on to have babies.  

As for financial needs, there are already other alternatives if the child is not wanted/can't be taken care of.  

[Gooch_Suplex_Hold]

Lol I was only wondering if you were actually hurt by what I said.

A little bit...

[BananaKing]

Wellbeing of the unborn child and the woman, I mean.

Well I only think abortion should be possible for medical reasons and some extreme social reasons too (rape etc.).

Saying naughtiness etc. is a choice is simplifying things too much. naughtiness is something all humans should be able to have, and the vast majority need some form of naughtiness. Saying it's a choice is basically blaming the "victim" for something the environment has more control over than the victim itself. It's like blaming fat people for being fat, when in reality they have less control over that than most people think.

yeah... no. the majority of fat people are fat because they dont want to shut their pie holes and want to gobble down that third piece of pie at 1 oclock in the morning. and the only exercise they get is getting up to go to the fridge to find something to eat between their fourth and fifth meal of the day.

being fat in a huge majority of cases is a personal choice.

and no, being fat isnt beautiful.

This sounds like you are removing responsibility of one's own personal choices, and is a very dangerous path of logic. ie: I couldn't help but kill dozens of people slowly and cruelly its in my nature. I'm not responsible for it. It was my environment."
That is ridiculous...

Agreed. just because having naughtiness is in our nature doesnt remove the responsibility that comes along with it.

[kitler53]

yeah... no. the majority of fat people are fat because they dont want to shut their pie holes and want to gobble down that third piece of pie at 1 oclock in the morning. and the only exercise they get is getting up to go to the fridge to find something to eat between their fourth and fifth meal of the day.

being fat in a huge majority of cases is a personal choice.

and no, being fat isnt beautiful.

harsh, controversial, and correct.