XBOX COMMUNITY!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mmm_fish_tacos]

@Legend did.  

Interesting analysis on Crackdown.  Seems like the physics are still calculated locally with debris calculated on the cloud:

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I skimmed the thread and it seems like she was ignored  .

[darkknightkryta]

I skimmed the thread and it seems like she was ignored  .

I wouldn't even know why O_O.  Even calculating debris is impressive in my mind.  I mean, getting physics data to the GPU for drawing is no small feat that I personally didn't think was possible.

[Aura7541]

Apparently, you can get a 1TB XBO with Halo: MCC, AC: Unity, and year of Live Gold for $399 on the MS store. You're basically getting a 1TB XBO for just less than $299.

[7H3]

Apparently, you can get a 1TB XBO with Halo: MCC, AC: Unity, and year of Live Gold for $399 on the MS store. You're basically getting a 1TB XBO for just less than $299.

this math is backwards....

[Aura7541]

this math is backwards....

What do you mean? Did I value the games too high or is it that the prospect of getting a 1TB XBO at a value of $299 mindblowing?

[the-pi-guy]

this math is backwards....

Price of bundle = price of games + price of Live + price of Xbox One
Solving for One, we get less than 300$.  

[Legend]

@Legend did.  

Interesting analysis on Crackdown.  Seems like the physics are still calculated locally with debris calculated on the cloud:

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When did geometry disappear in the video?

Also that doesn't sound correct, based off the behind the scenes video Microsoft showed.

[Legend]

[7H3]

Price of bundle = price of games + price of Live + price of Xbox One
Solving for One, we get less than 300$.  

that is backwards thinking you do not pay less than $399 for everything... you are not paying less than the cost of purchase for the bundle...
bundle_savings != lower_price(x||y||z)
bundle_savings == total RSP - bundle_price
"For just " bundle_price "you get " total_RSP " worth of products!"
"A savings of " bundle_savings "!"

price of any part of bundle != bundle_price - bundle_savings

you do not know where they are cutting that extra cost from... most likely since all other xbox ones are selling for $349 the extra $50 is where the lump sum of the extras come from which bought seperately would be at most $180 but MS doesn't really have to pay itself for a year of XBL gold subscription so it would be more like $120 (their costs)
Halo MCC 28.12 @walmart for physical copy 49.99 @ best buy
assasins creed unity is $19.99 at target and gamestop....

so the only thing you're really getting for free with this deal is the XBL subscription and saving gas

regardless it is a decent bundle not great but decent and highly favorable if you want one or both of those games.

However, saying you get the xbox one for whatever price less than you are getting the bundle for is erroneous as you are not paying for the device by itself separately for less than $399.

[Aura7541]

that is backwards thinking you do not pay less than $399 for everything... you are not paying less than the cost of purchase for the bundle...
bundle_savings != lower_price(x||y||z)
bundle_savings == total RSP - bundle_price
"For just " bundle_price "you get " total_RSP " worth of products!"
"A savings of " bundle_savings "!"

price of any part of bundle != bundle_price - bundle_savings

you do not know where they are cutting that extra cost from... most likely since all other xbox ones are selling for $349 the extra $50 is where the lump sum of the extras come from which bought seperately would be at most $180 but MS doesn't really have to pay itself for a year of XBL gold subscription so it would be more like $120 (their costs)
Halo MCC 28.12 @walmart for physical copy 49.99 @ best buy
assasins creed unity is $19.99 at target and gamestop....

so the only thing you're really getting for free with this deal is the XBL subscription and saving gas

regardless it is a decent bundle not great but decent and highly favorable if you want one or both of those games.

However, saying you get the xbox one for whatever price less than you are getting the bundle for is erroneous as you are not paying for the device by itself separately for less than $399.

This is very convoluted. We're just evaluating the value of an XBO with 1TB of memory. Best way we can do this is by subtracting the costs of the bundled games and 1 year of Live Gold. Based off of Amazon's pricing, total value of MCC, Unity, and Live Gold is ~$106, meaning that a 1TB XBO has a value of $293.

The cheapest XBO package consumers can get is the MCC bundle (500GB XBO + MCC), which costs $349. Subtracting the cost of MCC, the value of a 500GB XBO is ~$321. This is the part where it's backwards because the 1TB XBO is cheaper in the context of the bundle Microsoft is offering at its store.

[the-pi-guy]

that is backwards thinking you do not pay less than $399 for everything... you are not paying less than the cost of purchase for the bundle...
bundle_savings != lower_price(x||y||z)
bundle_savings == total RSP - bundle_price
"For just " bundle_price "you get " total_RSP " worth of products!"
"A savings of " bundle_savings "!"

price of any part of bundle != bundle_price - bundle_savings

you do not know where they are cutting that extra cost from... most likely since all other xbox ones are selling for $349 the extra $50 is where the lump sum of the extras come from which bought seperately would be at most $180 but MS doesn't really have to pay itself for a year of XBL gold subscription so it would be more like $120 (their costs)
Halo MCC 28.12 @walmart for physical copy 49.99 @ best buy
assasins creed unity is $19.99 at target and gamestop....

so the only thing you're really getting for free with this deal is the XBL subscription and saving gas

regardless it is a decent bundle not great but decent and highly favorable if you want one or both of those games.

However, saying you get the xbox one for whatever price less than you are getting the bundle for is erroneous as you are not paying for the device by itself separately for less than $399.

Things like this completely depend on how you want to look at the problem.  

What am I saving from getting this bundle?  
Well, I'm saving say 50$.  
Why that'd be like getting one of the following
-getting an Xbox One for 299$
-getting two free games
-getting free Xbox Live for a year

We could construct 3 equivalent scenarios from the bundle.

-Man walks into a store and buys the bundle, leaves the store with 400$ less than when he went in.
-Man walks into a store, buys a 299$ Xbox One, 2 games and XBL, and leaves the store with 400$ less than when he went in.
-Man walks into a store, buys a 349$ Xbox One, 2 free games and XBL, and leaves the store with 400$ less than when he went in.
-Man walks into a store, buys a 349$ Xbox One, 2 games and free XBL, and leaves the store with 400$ less than when he went in.

Understandably, there is no flexibility with the bundle, as he can't walk away with a 299$ XBO, but regardless of that, in all situations, provided he buys the same things, the result is identical.  
If one wants to look at the glass half full vs half empty or vice versa, as long as they are identical scenarios, one should be able to look at the scenario any way they like.

[7H3]

This is very convoluted. We're just evaluating the value of an XBO with 1TB of memory. Best way we can do this is by subtracting the costs of the bundled games and 1 year of Live Gold. Based off of Amazon's pricing, total value of MCC, Unity, and Live Gold is ~$106, meaning that a 1TB XBO has a value of $293.

The cheapest XBO package consumers can get is the MCC bundle (500GB XBO + MCC), which costs $349. Subtracting the cost of MCC, the value of a 500GB XBO is ~$321. This is the part where it's backwards because the 1TB XBO is cheaper in the context of the bundle Microsoft is offering at its store.

that is bad / erroneous math... the price of the xbox does not change in this situation... again you have no idea where they are cutting the cost for the bundle.

the main point is you cannot purchase just one part of this bundle separately with a new value you assign to it via your funky math.

No one is buying the bundle for a sum of its separate parts at lowered prices. The total bundle is "X" and they are a combined package which cannot be bought separately outside of this bundle for their bundled pricing. You do not know what costs MS is eating or from what. We only know (at best guess) that purchasing all of these separately would be "C" which is more than "X". The only factual data you can extract from that is a consumer value in regards to savings. Which would be C - X = S

You cannot then go back and say X - S = C₁ as there is not enough factual data to state what cost of  C_1.2...n are at all. In this situation Microsoft knows the cost of each item for them, but that does not equal the cost of each item to the consumer as MS still wants to make a profit so we do not pay their prices. We do not know how much money they are eating or potentially losing on the bundle if any at all.

We can say that we know that separately the sum of C_1.2...n = C, but that sum does not change because of the savings the consumer enjoys because of a bundle deal. You cannot reassign value to any of those items only MS can do that, which they do as "X" in a bundle deal. However, this does not mean at all EVER ANYWHERE that any parts of the whole now have different value anywhere else.

MS could say they are discounting this or that in the bundle (ie: save $100 off xbox with this deal, or buy this and we'll give you 'that' for free). This, however, still does not mean that there is a price drop on the xbox one now because of this bundle or you can get any of those items for free outside of the bundle.

You can only factually extrapolate the Consumer Savings of the cost of the sum of the parts in the bundle versus separately.

Saying "it's like only paying 293 for an xbox one" is incorrect as you are not paying for it separately and cannot buy it for that price outside of the bundle (save for maybe craigslist or ebay...) the bundle does not rewrite the cost of the xbox one for the consumer outside of the bundle. Assuming you are only paying 'e' for it is not possible to know unless MS actually comes out and says it.

Overall it is just bad and erroneous math to revalue something that has no reason or purpose to be revalued as part of the bundle as it only exists in that situation, and effectively is meaningless data even if true (which can only be proven by MS and is only best guess by us). The only meaningful data is the cost difference to the consumer as a whole to whole comparison.

In all honesty i think they are effectively giving the other stuff away for free, but I would still have to pay $399 to get the free stuff making the free value I've give to the other stuff effectively meaningless. I cannot get the free stuff for free separately and only works as an incentive to buy the bundle. By no means does it at all mean that the extra stuff is only worth $0... it is still worth its MSRP there is no new value magically given to it by bad math that makes it worth less. Much unlike the math being used to reassign MSRP...

Things like this completely depend on how you want to look at the problem.  

What am I saving from getting this bundle?  
Well, I'm saving say 50$.  
Why that'd be like getting one of the following
-getting an Xbox One for 299$
-getting two free games
-getting free Xbox Live for a year

We could construct 3 equivalent scenarios from the bundle.

-Man walks into a store and buys the bundle, leaves the store with 400$ less than when he went in.
-Man walks into a store, buys a 299$ Xbox One, 2 games and XBL, and leaves the store with 400$ less than when he went in.
-Man walks into a store, buys a 349$ Xbox One, 2 free games and XBL, and leaves the store with 400$ less than when he went in.
-Man walks into a store, buys a 349$ Xbox One, 2 games and free XBL, and leaves the store with 400$ less than when he went in.

Understandably, there is no flexibility with the bundle, as he can't walk away with a 299$ XBO, but regardless of that, in all situations, provided he buys the same things, the result is identical.  
If one wants to look at the glass half full vs half empty or vice versa, as long as they are identical scenarios, one should be able to look at the scenario any way they like.

it is "like" is not a factual statement it's an opinion.... none of the options mean the value of anything has changed separately and trying to use such "perceived" data would be erroneous

[Aura7541]

*Long post*

That... really doesn't make sense. In fact, that doesn't make any sense at all. My "funky math" is simple arithmetic. I take a number and subtract from it. Easy as that and it doesn't require 10 paragraphs to explain why -__-"

You're still getting a 1TB XBO for "less". Here's a simpler example. Let's say that a standalone 1TB XBO costs $399. So a $399 1TB XBO vs. a 1TB XBO + two games + 1 year of Live Gold for $399. One package is definitely better than the other because you're getting a lot more value from one than the other. Here's another example. A 1TB XBO + two games for $399 vs. a 1TB XBO + two games + 1 year of Live Gold for $399. Which one is better? Definitely the latter because you get a year of Live Gold whereas you don't get it from the former.

Consumers, especially Americans, are price conscious. They want the best deal and how can they find the best deal? Evaluating each bundle qualitatively is difficult because a lot of subjectivity goes into play. Quantitative evaluation is the better method as numbers are objective and less time consuming. How can the consumers quantitatively evaluate? By subtracting the costs of the extras from the total price tag.

[Riderz1337]

Rise of the Tomb Raider looks fun. Good shame. Keep slaying boi

[7H3]

How can the consumers quantitatively evaluate? By subtracting the costs of the extras from the total price tag.

that is the backwards part...

subtract the cost of the total price tag from the sum of their parts, which is how you know how much money you are saving...

itemizing the savings per item is pointless as you only save on the total package, and you would have to also know first what the saving value is by doing what I said first.

Total cost - bundle cost = savings
you do not need to go back and then subtract the savings from the bundle cost to say you are only paying x for this or that, that is useless data.

If I buy a chromecast and it's bundled with $20 google play credit for the same price, that does not mean i'm getting the chromecast for $20 off...

If one bundle I attribute the value of the xbox (using your logic) to ~$299, and another bundle where (using your same logic) the value of the Xbox is $399 which one has better value?

Spoiler for Hidden:

T - B = S<br>T = X + A + H + G<br>&nbsp;X + A + H + G - B = S<br>X = S + B - A - H - G <br><br>X! = X - S || B - S<br><br>data numbers rounded for convenience...<br>X = 400<br>G = 60<br>A = 20<br>H = 50<br>B = 400<br>/\ T = 530<br>/\ S = 130<br>/\ X = B + S - (A+G+H) :: 530-130 = 400...<br>