NEW OP: READ IT: How do we treat other forums? AKA a thread about what's happening in The Order 1886

[Legend]

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(your text) Hey guys look what someone posted on gaf.

The GOTY 2015 thread made me think that the majority of people on GAF already have a game or two, that they strongly believe will be GOTY, despite the fact this is still the start of the year. E3 isn't that close yet but it seems that no one expects anything major being announced there that will potentially come this year.

So, what exactly do people hope/expect on E3? Will it be full of games coming in 2016, 2017 or even beyond that? Will there be surprises or everyone thinks that surprises aren't happening anymore?

Also, we're steadily advancing on this generation so more and more good games will be releasing. It's pretty early to make a prediction about the unannounced stuff on E3 but what does everyone expect? New IPs, sequels or maybe more remasters?

If I made such a thread a bit too early, please lock it. I just like to read early predictions and see how off or spot on they are when E3 is over.

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This conversation just wasn't dying so it needed a proper thread.<br /><br /><br /><br />The vast majority of us don't like vgchartz or don't care about vgchartz. That's just the truth. Out of our 75 members, only about five think of vgchartz positively (three of them are vgchartz mods). These ratios are to be expected though. Generally a happy vgchartz member would stay on vgchartz, while an unhappy one would want to leave.<br /><br /><br />I personally do not like vghartz so I can understand why so many of you want to use this forum as a place to bash them, but isn't that wrong? Let's do a thought experiment. If you paid off ioi and had true mod protection meaning no mod would touch you, would you still be posting bad things about vgchartz here? No, you'd be over there posting it directly at the people you don't like. When someone on vgchartz makes a stupid thread you wouldn't link it here and then bash it, you'd just post in that thread and bash the op.<br /><br /><br />This reveals the problem with that type of vgchartz bashing. You're simply using VizionEck as a way to circumvent vgchartz's rules. &quot;Oh this mod did something dumb but they'd ban me if I called him out. Better post about it on VizionEck instead.&quot; Or &quot;wow this thread is horrible but I can't post because I'm banned. I'll post about the thread on VizionEck instead.&quot; I really don't like that, and I believe it's something that should never happen here.<br /><br /><br />But at the same time, vgchartz shouldn't have special protection here. It's just a website, no different than ign, gaf, reddit, 4chan, polygon, wikipedia, etc. I personally like how naturally we started calling it vgchertz as a subtle jab. Again the vast majority of us don't like the site, so I'd be a fool to think as a collective we'd stay indifferent to them. GAF doesn't like vgchartz, reddit doesn't like vgchartz, gametrailers doesn't like vgchartz, and VizionEck doesn't like vgchartz. There's nothing inherently wrong with that.<br /><br /><br />So the situation becomes complicated. Some website bashing is allowed, while some isn't. There's a lot of grey room. At the moment, here are my personal thoughts on it. <br /><br /><br />Talk about other websites as a collective however you like. Don't cause issues in a thread by randomly saying &quot;VGCHERTZ IS EVIL. F$%# THEM!!!,&quot; but if the thread is about vgchartz killing puppies than sure, make that response. As long as your bashing doesn't interfere or derail, I think it's ok.<br /><br /><br />Don't talk about specific users unless they're well known outside of that forum. &quot;Oh wow JoeTheBro is such a fanboy, look what he posted&quot; is a no no. These just tend to be like the ones from the thought experiment above. You're only posting here to avoid moderation.<br /><br /><br />Feel free to talk about random users. &quot;lol look how crazy this guy is on GAF.&quot; We don't care who the person is, we only care what they said.<br /><br /><br /><hr><br /><br /><br />These are just my thoughts though. We need to get this sorted out, but my opinions might not be the right solution. Tell me where you agree/disagree.

[kitler53]

oh wow,. legend is just a vizioneck fanboy.  look what he posted to try and make this a better forum.




"You're simply using VizionEck as a way to circumvent vgchartz's rules."
fundamentally agree.    ..the rest is just filler.

[Max King of the Wild]

1. We don't live in a bubble and vgc doesn't want to be reclusive. They want their website to be discussed and they want their data to stand on their own merits. But it fails to do that. Not only that, but Vgc is very active community that the regulators want that section to be out there too. If they didn't then the numbers would be hidden for users only like npd.

Following that, it's no different bringing up vgc data and another websites article. In fact, there are countless opinion pieces that get posted and shredded apart by us by no name sites all the time. That's no different than bring up a thread or posts. Like I said, vgc wants the community to be a major aspect of their site.

2. Define celebrity? It's a well known person but what decides well known? A certain percentage of a populace needs to know them before they get celebrity status? A social circle needs to be familiar with them? If first criteria then Cboat, Titus, aqua, creamandsugar, are not celebrities.  I doubt Gabe or Adam would be too. Patcher and lizard squad would probably be the only ones under that. If the second? Then what's the social circle? The only people who would know Gabe would be hardcore gamers and valve fans. Even then I bet the people who know who he is is small. I bet even less people knew oarthy before the dealing it campaign. And if we are going by that criteria then, yes, those users are all celebrities because we all know them here.

Now, I like each individual active poster here. But if you guys are going to put crud rules like vgc then don't expect me to follow them. I'm less invested here than i ever was there.

[Mmm_fish_tacos]

I agree. We don't need to call members out. They wouldn't like it the same way we wouldn't if we found a thread there bashing the membership here. But if say the has a poll say ouya would out sell ps4 and the majory of the vote was in ouya favor then I think it's okay to say they are crazy for thinking so. Also, we decided to leave vgc because we hated it, we've been gone some time now. So let's let dead dogs lIe.

[Max King of the Wild]

BTW, if I wanted to say something on vgc I would. Trust me. I've probably had the most accounts there. Been a member since early 2007 as pooperscooper. Had another one as lol mature. Spammed the forum under dozens of user names when f5 was able to refresh comments and max king of the Wild was not my only account not banned.. If i really wanted to say something I'd make another account and tell them they could suck a sucker like the last post I made on there before getting permabanned (which was the intention)

[kitler53]

1. We don't live in a bubble and vgc doesn't want to be reclusive. They want their website to be discussed and they want their data to stand on their own merits. But it fails to do that. Not only that, but Vgc is very active community that the regulators want to be out there too. If they didn't then the numbers would be hidden for users only like npd.

Following that, it's no different bringing up vgc data and another websites article. In fact, there are countless opinion pieces that get posted and shredded apart by us. That's no different than bring up a thread or posts. Like I said, vgc wants the community to be a major aspect of their site.

2. Define celebrity? It's a well known person but what decides well known? A certain percentage of a populace needs to know them before they get celebrity status? A social circle needs to be familiar with them? If first criteria then Cboat, Titus, aqua, creamandsugar, are not celebrities.  I doubt Gabe or Adam would be too. Patcher and lizard squad would probably be the only ones under that. If the second? Then what's the social circle? The only people who would know Gabe would be hardcore gamers and valve fans. Even then I bet the people who know who he is is small. I bet even less people knew oarthy before the dealing it campaign. And if we are going by that criteria then, yes, those users are all celebrities because we all know them here.

Now, I like each individual active poster here. But if you guys are going to put crud rules like vgc then don't expect me to follow them. I'm less invested here than i ever was there.

i think what legend is saying is that i shouldn't use vizioneck to express how much of a doo-doo head i think kowenicki is.   creamsugar is definitely in a different category from guys like kowenicki because creamsugar provides meaningful contributions to the world that are worth discussing while kowenicki just own a guy who is pretentious a fudge.   really, it's pretty obvious to me what is worth bringing up here and what isn't.   ..and i agree with legend.

[Xevross]

I agree. I think we should treat VGChartz like any other website, no special rules against it or exceptions. There should be no posts here moaning about things over there. I think any VGC based discussion should be in the thread we have for it and that thread has the same rules applied to it as any other.

[Mmm_fish_tacos]

1. We don't live in a bubble and vgc doesn't want to be reclusive. They want their website to be discussed and they want their data to stand on their own merits. But it fails to do that. Not only that, but Vgc is very active community that the regulators want to be out there too. If they didn't then the numbers would be hidden for users only like npd.

Following that, it's no different bringing up vgc data and another websites article. In fact, there are countless opinion pieces that get posted and shredded apart by us. That's no different than bring up a thread or posts. Like I said, vgc wants the community to be a major aspect of their site.

2. Define celebrity? It's a well known person but what decides well known? A certain percentage of a populace needs to know them before they get celebrity status? A social circle needs to be familiar with them? If first criteria then Cboat, Titus, aqua, creamandsugar, are not celebrities.  I doubt Gabe or Adam would be too. Patcher and lizard squad would probably be the only ones under that. If the second? Then what's the social circle? The only people who would know Gabe would be hardcore gamers and valve fans. Even then I bet the people who know who he is is small. I bet even less people knew oarthy before the dealing it campaign. And if we are going by that criteria then, yes, those users are all celebrities because we all know them here.

Now, I like each individual active poster here. But if you guys are going to put crud rules like vgc then don't expect me to follow them. I'm less invested here than i ever was there.

It's not about crud rules, it's about trying to grow our forum. If people drop in an see threads about bashing people in other communities then they may not want to stay around. All he's asking is to be respectful, even if you hate that person. And if they are written about i think that's good enough. Insiders like cream have had their names brought up on other publications. Where kowenicki hasn't.

[Max King of the Wild]

I agree. I think we should treat VGChartz like any other website, no special rules against it or exceptions. There should be no posts here moaning about things over there. I think any VGC based discussion should be in the thread we have for it and that thread has the same rules applied to it as any other.

dea.  I talk shame about polygon and excessive fanboyism that spews from their articles and writers all the time. I bring up Titus anand Cboat and call them battleship

[DerNebel]

I can't help but feel like I have something to do with what happened in the Order thread

[Max King of the Wild]

It's not about crud rules, it's about trying to grow our forum. If people drop in an see threads about bashing people in other communities then they may not want to stay around. All he's asking is to be respectful, even if you hate that person. And if they are written about i think that's good enough. Insiders like cream have had their names brought up on other publications. Where kowenicki hasn't.

other no name publications from shame gaming journalists that we criticize on a constant basis. Besides, I'm not sure how any of that gives them exempt status of no criticizing rule. Which was one of totorillians main points at a time. Like I said, we really don't talk about vgc or their members more than other places. Abizzle from dualshockers gets criticized constantly and true_fan (before he joined vgc). Hell, in fact vgc criticized tons of ps fans out of forum all the time. Sales2009 has his own youtube channel

[kitler53]

dea.  I talk shame about polygon and excessive fanboyism that spews from their articles and writers all the time. I bring up Titus anand Cboat and call them battleship

but that's from polygon's articles not from a specific polygon forum dweller.  if you said something along the lines of "oh man PolygonBoy1976 is such a pretentious bumb" i wouldn't have a clue what your talking about and frankly wouldn't care and you'd bore the shame of of me and i'd leave vizioneck and post terrible reviews of this site on yelp.   that's the point.

[Max King of the Wild]

but that's from polygon's articles not from a specific polygon forum dweller.  if you said something along the lines of "oh man pollyBoy1976 is such a pretentious bumb" i wouldn't have a clue what your talking about and frankly wouldn't care and you bore the shame of of me and i'd leave vizioneck and post terrible reviews of this site on yelp.   that's the point.

again, that's not true. True_fan probably being the most recent example. Also, like I stated earlier, vgc wants their forums to stand out and ioi is on record saying so. They want it to rival gaf. It all did stem from it after all. And how many gaffers do we talk about? Seece and trunkswords writes articles for vgc. So what I'm getting from this is I can talk shame about those people since I talk shame about polygon authors?

[Legend]

again, that's not true. True_fan probably being the most recent example. Also, like I stated earlier, vgc wants their forums to stand out and ioi is on record saying so. They want it to rival gaf. It all did stem from it after all. And how many gaffers do we talk about?

Who even is true fan?

Also do we care what vgchertz wants? No. Vgchertz, gaf, tomshardware forum, etc. We should treat them all the same.

[Max King of the Wild]

Who even is true fan?

Also do we care what vgchertz wants? No. Vgchertz, gaf, tomshardware forum, etc. We should treat them all the same.

a joke of a poster on multiple websites. Vgc is his most recent. Huge xbox fan and troll (one bubble on n4g and gets laughed at everytime he posts there). And I agree, we should treat them all them same. And since we talk shame about almost every website out there that doesn't share our opinions then I'm not sure how the chertz is any different if we are treating them the same. Opinion pieces and blogs are talked about which are no different than posts Or threads. Aqua, Cboat, Titus, cream and sugar are talked about which is no different than discussing sales2009(who has his own youtube channel) or various other users on the chertz. And we have talked about gaf talking shame about the chertz before.... Which is kinda funny concerning this topic. And vgc has talked shame about gaf before. I'm not sure how it's any different that I say n4gs community is a cesspool of fanboys (which reflects on vgc since they are partnered and have them linked on the front page) but saying the same thing about vgc is off-limits.