Tesla self driving leaves beta, human supervision still required for now

[Legend]

Looks pretty great and V12 is improving rapidly. I'm confident it'll be 99.9% safe really soon, it might be already there, but I'm still a bit worried that this approach will struggle to be 99.99999% safe without hard written rules.

I wonder when Tesla will be able to scale back human supervision. If your car is kinda stupid and mishandles situations but in a safe way with ample time for a human to take over, there's no reason the driver couldn't be on their phone or reading a book. Waymo was fine having absolutely no one in the front seat of their cars even though they'd regularly need a human driver to show up and take over.

[Dr. Pezus]

Ghost braking is still a huge problem. I can barely use cruise control/autopilot here around the country in Iceland. I mean the main road. You could say the roads should be better or the white lines are barely visible in some places. But what's the point if it can't deal with some tougher situations? And why can't I just use cruise control without the car hitting the brakes randomly or when a car passes by on the other side of the road.

I do not have full self driving but I suspect the same problem presents itself there

[kitler53]

have we ever seen self driving on winter roads?

ice and snow is a very different beast.  I wouldn't trust these cali engineers to even understand how it's different. 


I like your cruise control idea pezus.

[Legend]

Ghost braking is still a huge problem. I can barely use cruise control/autopilot here around the country in Iceland. I mean the main road. You could say the roads should be better or the white lines are barely visible in some places. But what's the point if it can't deal with some tougher situations? And why can't I just use cruise control without the car hitting the brakes randomly or when a car passes by on the other side of the road.

I do not have full self driving but I suspect the same problem presents itself there

The new FSD V12 is a complete rework and has nothing in common with autopilot so no ghost braking. It has its own issues like being too aggressive or too cautious (like going slow around the school in this video).

They're doing a free trial for people in America and Canada. I wonder when/if they'll bring it to Europe.

have we ever seen self driving on winter roads?

ice and snow is a very different beast.  I wouldn't trust these cali engineers to even understand how it's different.


I like your cruise control idea pezus.

Not the worst but certainly not good enough yet.

FSD drives so well in California lol. Both these linked videos are from Michigan to show more realistic results for everyone else.

[Legend]

Guess European driving is well in the works.

We believe version 12 is ready for supervised FSD in LHD countries. RHD will take a bit longer.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 26, 2024

[nnodley]

Looking to maybe upgrade mine to the new refresh. Mine requires a computer upgrade in order to do full self driving and the new ones are slick. So I'm hoping to sell for 25k then lease a new one for now. I have good equity in mine right now compared to what I still owe on it.  The lease will only be a little less than a hundred more than what I pay now.

[SWORDF1SH]

RHD has to wait longer  
but I don't have a Tesla so it doesn't really matter. Would just be cool to see in working one day.

[Legend]

RHD has to wait longer  
but I don't have a Tesla so it doesn't really matter. Would just be cool to see in working one day.

Would be "funny" having it forget and start driving on the right side of the road, since the vast majority of its training would be from LHD countries.

A waymo in California recently drove on the left side of the road for a couple blocks because their was a unibike gang it tried to pass.

Looking to maybe upgrade mine to the new refresh. Mine requires a computer upgrade in order to do full self driving and the new ones are slick. So I'm hoping to sell for 25k then lease a new one for now. I have good equity in mine right now compared to what I still owe on it.  The lease will only be a little less than a hundred more than what I pay now.

Upgrade your cars computer and play steam games  

Also Tesla is set to reveal their robotaxi vehicle in August. Wonder how many months/years till they can legally have no one in the drivers seat, and how many years/decades it'll be until they have cars on the street without steering wheels.

[Legend]

12.4 has almost completely retrained models. The final touches are for comfort, as it sometimes accelerates or brakes too fast for most people’s taste.

12.5 and 12.6 are in various stages of testing. We’re getting into rare, complex situations, for example: going down a narrow,…

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) May 8, 2024

Sweet, sounds like 12.5 should have backup capabilities. That's a feature I've really been interested in seeing come out.

12.4 will be released in the coming weeks.

[Legend]

12.4 had issues. They focused too much on training accident avoidance so while it was significantly safer, it drove like an idiot. Marginal improvement over 12.3 at best.

12.5 is out and getting great reviews. It's releasing in chunks so no backup capabilities yet. Also only on the newest cars at the moment since they have stronger AI computers.

If 12.4 was a fluke and they can keep this rate of improvement up, they'd be on track to cars without steering wheels in about a year. Seems unlikely since parameters can't increase 5x every release, but we'll see! Robotaxi reveal is set for October 10.

[Legend]

Guess that proves the AI driver has a good generalized understanding of the world. Pretty sure they never gave it a video of a naked guy rolling around in training.

NSFW link of car driving around a naked guy x.com