Started by Xevross, Apr 18, 2017, 10:09 AM
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What's this thing we once had in the West? Oh, yeah, I think it was called democracy. Calling elections when it suits doesn't seem to fit the criteria.Definitely not consistent with Western ideals. This is something you'd expect to hear about from an Eastern regime.
What's this thing we once had in the West? Oh, yeah, I think it was called democracy. Calling elections when it suits doesn't seem to fit the criteria.Well this is nonsense, parliament needs to vote 2/3 in favour of the motion for a general election to be called. Still a democratic process.
What's this thing we once had in the West? Oh, yeah, I think it was called democracy. Calling elections when it suits doesn't seem to fit the criteria.Debatable.
Debatable.Yes, but why call it now? Could it be that it's because the Cons are topping the polls? ALL parties should have the right to 'prepare' for an election and that isn't just gearing up for the campaign, that's laying groundwork too. We all know politics has become simply about finding the most 'popular' approach and so policies are built around this, which isn't something I particularly like. If I had a chance to ask a politician one question to decide on whether I would consider voting for them, it would be 'are you prepared to lose the election because of your policies?' If they answered 'yes' then they'd get my respect even if they didn't get my vote in the end.
I could argue that limiting votes to certain time periods is against democracy.
Calling for a vote, means that people are able to make more immediate decisions, whereas if people don't like the current government, they are stuck with that.
Democracy isn't about holding onto the torch because you won the last popularity contest, its about giving people a say.
Well this is nonsense, parliament needs to vote 2/3 in favour of the motion for a general election to be called. Still a democratic process.
Debatable.It's not consistent with Western ideals. Polls go up and down at different times for different reasons. What happens when you hold this election now and tomorrow polls show a different party is more popular? Guess what, the "say of the people" gets blocked by the party who took the government under that same pretense. Because they ultimately don't care about "your say". They just want in and they want in now. There's a good reason why most democracies aren't true democracies. Because too many people are stupid, naive, and easily manipulated. Holding elections because it suits a particular party's interest is inviting disaster. Government wouldn't be able to get anything done because it would turn into a 24/7 campaign trail. A political victory won today overturned later in the year. Not always in favor of your ideals, either. Elections should always be done at routine times unless some kind of world-ending emergency happens. Not treated like random parties being thrown because you want to spike someone's drink to get laid.
I could argue that limiting votes to certain time periods is against democracy.
Calling for a vote, means that people are able to make more immediate decisions, whereas if people don't like the current government, they are stuck with that.
Democracy isn't about holding onto the torch because you won the last popularity contest, its about giving people a say.
It's not consistent with Western ideals. Polls go up and down at different times for different reasons. What happens when you hold this election now and tomorrow polls show a different party is more popular? Guess what, the "say of the people" gets blocked by the party who took the government under that same pretense. Because they ultimately don't care about "your say". They just want in and they want in now. There's a good reason why most democracies aren't true democracies. Because too many people are stupid, naive, and easily manipulated. Holding elections because it suits a particular party's interest is inviting disaster. Government wouldn't be able to get anything done because it would turn into a 24/7 campaign trail. A political victory won today overturned later in the year. Not always in favor of your ideals, either. Elections should always be done at routine times unless some kind of world-ending emergency happens. Not treated like random parties being thrown because you want to spike someone's drink to get laid.Of course it isn't.
Of course it isn't.I think that's where GribbleGrunger was going with this. I think he was just saying "undemocratic" while meaning that it's not how a Western democracy is supposed to be run.
I'm merely pointing out the issue isn't that it's non-democratic. It's entirely democratic.
Whether that's a good thing or not, tends towards not. Most people are either too short sighted, or too selfish, etc, to be able to make decisions for the common people.
I think that's where GribbleGrunger was going with this. I think he was just saying "undemocratic" while meaning that it's not how a Western democracy is supposed to be run.Essentially, yes.
After all, China has a "democracy". Where the people come together to vote for the only party they're allowed to.
