TV Show Thread

[BananaKing]

Anybody here watches invincible?

[Legend]

Anybody here watches invincible?

Nope.

I watched Love Overboard though. Was funny how cheap it felt. Like they just got a ship, threw a bunch of people on it, and winged it. Lexi was the best.

[Dr. Pezus]

Anybody here watches invincible?

Of course

[Dr. Pezus]

It's insane 

[BananaKing]

It's really good indeed. I'm really enjoying it. 

[the-pi-guy]

A lot of shows are made up as they go, while some other ones are planned from the start.

Like Attack On Titan seems to have been very planned, and there are lots of very direct teases to the end near the start of the manga/anime. And it's interesting because that's a very long running Manga/anime. I don't think there are a lot of ~100 episode stories that are so planned.   


I think Avatar the Last Airbender was largely planned from the start. I know there were some changes like Toph was originally a man. I think the general structure of the story was figured out before they really did anything with it.  

Whereas it sounds like Breaking Bad was very step by step, figuring out what would happen next. It's funny hearing Vince Gilligan talk about Breaking Bad. Because he talks about it like it wasn't even his show. Like you ask him why Walt did something, and he'll be like well I think it was for these reasons, but one of the other writers on the show would give a different answer.  

[kitler53]

very very few shows likely know their end from the start.   the economics of this doesn't really makes sense because there are a lot of other things that come into play like:  will you even get a second season?  will something about the prior season be really loved/hated?   will one of your actors leave the show?   

adjustments have to be made along the way.


lot's of time planning an end doesn't even really benifit a story.   your story basically has to be designs with mysteries or recons in mind to really justify showing a story element early only to return to it later.   maybe world building things like game of thrones benefit from it.  and game of thrones has a specific element that i think helps,.. it started as a book where a single author gets to chose how the story plays out instead of a room of writers like one finds in TV.


and i know nothing about attack on titan but i'll just add this general statement.   i think most of the time a late in story uses early in story "teases" i don't think it is as planned out as you think it was.   i think in the early parts they just sometimes leave things open ended and decide later what they want to do with it.  

[the-pi-guy]

very very few shows likely know their end from the start.  the economics of this doesn't really makes sense because there are a lot of other things that come into play like:  will you even get a second season?  will something about the prior season be really loved/hated?  will one of your actors leave the show? 

adjustments have to be made along the way.


lot's of time planning an end doesn't even really benifit a story.  your story basically has to be designs with mysteries or recons in mind to really justify showing a story element early only to return to it later.  maybe world building things like game of thrones benefit from it.  and game of thrones has a specific element that i think helps,.. it started as a book where a single author gets to chose how the story plays out instead of a room of writers like one finds in TV.


and i know nothing about attack on titan but i'll just add this general statement.  i think most of the time a late in story uses early in story "teases" i don't think it is as planned out as you think it was.  i think in the early parts they just sometimes leave things open ended and decide later what they want to do with it. 

Yeah it's obviously the norm for a lot of good reasons. Which is kind of why I'm bringing it up. 

Like How I Met Your Mother had the ending planned, and it didn't end up working. 

Attack on Titan had the benefit of having a single author figure things out where he wanted to go. And he talked about how well in advance, he knew what the story was going to be. 

To add on to your story teases, Breaking Bad has a lot of notable examples: 

Spoiler for Hidden:

Like I recall the writers talking about some things like the ricin, where they weren&#39;t sure what they were going to do with it.&nbsp;<br>

I feel like there are some shows where the lack of planning kind of hurts it. A lot of shows that meander or take weird directions. 

[kitler53]

i think in a very character driven show like breaking bad it can work to the show's advantage to not have a plan for the show. 

the thing that breaking bad (and game of thrones books) do very well is create unique and deep characters and for better or worse the actions the characters take feel believable and in-character.

the thing most shows (and the game of thrones tv show's later seasons) do poorly is to build up a character only to have them do a very uncharacterized or unsubstantiated actions just because the writers wanted to take the story in another direction. 

...like there are countless numbers of examples of this but the first one that comes to mind is how in GoW Ragnarak Freya hated Kratos (justified) and then half way though the game they were friends again (poorly justified).