Science General Discussion

Started by Legend, Sep 02, 2014, 07:17 PM

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the-pi-guy

Quote from: Legend on Mar 27, 2015, 04:08 AM
Hmm.

I was writing something but I didn't like where it was going.

Short answer: I think both personality and sentience are a byproduct of experiencing things and having the power to alter experiences. You are born with neither, but the physical makeup of your brain can have large impacts on them.
Now I'm curious to know where it was going. 
My AI textbook that I got, seems to focus more on making rational decisions, which isn't necessarily what I want all the time.

Legend


the-pi-guy

Quote from: Legend on Apr 02, 2015, 10:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzCvlFRISIM
What do you think? 
I was kinda hoping he'd go more in depth with stuff.  But I was multitasking towards the end of it, maybe I missed something.

the-pi-guy

What if the galaxies moving away from us are slowing down, just that time is speeding up for them.  :o








jk

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Legend

Quote from: the-Pi-guy on Mar 27, 2015, 08:15 PM
Now I'm curious to know where it was going. 
My AI textbook that I got, seems to focus more on making rational decisions, which isn't necessarily what I want all the time.

Follow me on this one.

Imagine a system that takes an input and produces an output. It's basically a function, a converter. Let's call him Steve.

Steve is simple. He has a camera, a speaker, and an arbitrary amount/setup of logic flowing from the first to the second. He lives in a room watching a tv. No matter how complex that converter/brain ever gets, it cannot make Steve sentient or have "thought." The same image on the TV produces the same possible outcomes.

In order to be more than that, some sort of feedback loop needs to be introduced. Let's replace Steve's speaker with a light. Now Steve's output affects the brightness of the room. This in turn is picked up as input for his camera. Now when we put the same images on the TV, Steve is not necessarily seeing the exact same thing before and thus could have a different output. Although extremely limited, thought is now possible. The loop introduces memory as well.


So I believe consciousness, sentience, and personality are all fundamentally the results of these loops.

the-pi-guy

Quote from: Legend on Apr 09, 2015, 12:11 AM
Follow me on this one.
Imagine a system that takes an input and produces an output. It's basically a function, a converter. Let's call him Steve.
Steve is simple. He has a camera, a speaker, and an arbitrary amount/setup of logic flowing from the first to the second. He lives in a room watching a tv. No matter how complex that converter/brain ever gets, it cannot make Steve sentient or have "thought." The same image on the TV produces the same possible outcomes.
In order to be more than that, some sort of feedback loop needs to be introduced. Let's replace Steve's speaker with a light. Now Steve's output affects the brightness of the room. This in turn is picked up as input for his camera. Now when we put the same images on the TV, Steve is not necessarily seeing the exact same thing before and thus could have a different output. Although extremely limited, thought is now possible. The loop introduces memory as well.
So I believe consciousness, sentience, and personality are all fundamentally the results of these loops.

Makes sense.  That's what I was thinking you were thinking. 
Essentially like 2 years ago, I was figuring something like
Input -> Memory -> personality -> logic -> output
Input is input, memory is where things are learned.  Personality would be what drives the logic system. 
Using your example, personality would be the coefficients of that "function."  Where as logic is the actual function.
Personality = c1, c2, c3, c4, ..... , cn-2, cn-1, cn;  Arbitrary values that are accustomed to change depending on the severity of the input.
Logic = F(x) = c1g(x) + c2h(x) + c3 i(x)+.......+cnZ(x)
Steve = F(x) = 3g(x) + 2h(x) + .......+ 4Z(x)
John = F(x) = 2g(x) + 11h(x) +........+Z(x)
And right now I'm thinking if it were like that, it could be set up either way. 

But typing that out I see flaws. 

Legend

Ceres is back in view



Dem bright spots yo.

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Legend

Quote from: Mmm_fish_tacos on Apr 21, 2015, 12:31 AM
What are they?

Mars was like Earth 3.5 billion years ago. Then it dried up and froze. Basically it's a potential window into the past.

the-pi-guy


the-pi-guy




Spoiler for Hidden:
"Of these four forces, there's one we don't really understand." "Is it the weak force or the strong--" "It's gravity."

Legend

Yeah it's funny that the force that we experience the most in our day to day lives is the one we have the worst understanding of.

Why is it so weak!? How does it work on the quantum level!? Is the graviton actually a thing!? What the heck is dark matter!?

Legend