The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase

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Legend

#135
Jun 23, 2020, 07:16 PM
Quote from: Mmm_fish_tacos on Jun 23, 2020, 06:58 PMI feel like the people complaining about the game don't understand the world they are playing in. Or they are trolls.

Like people complaining they have to play as abby when she done horrible stuff. Like OK. Youve played as Joel, who's done horrible stuff to others just to survive. And it caught up with him. Hes like the Anti Hero.


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I don&#39;t understand it either. There are issues with the game but I&#39;m shocked so many people are fueled by revenge this strongly.<br><br>I did not want to kill Joel. The second I was Abby in the snow, I fired all my bullets to sabotage her intentions. There is definitely something to discuss about games having players go against their desires, I&#39;ll be making that thread after more have finished, but I really don&#39;t understand the disgust people have towards controlling her.<br><br>&quot;She killed my boy!&quot; And?<br><br>Late game disagreements with the plot can be the fault of the game and pacing is certainly the fault of the game, but this specific part just feels like players lacking a desire for depth. Same goes with Joel getting killed as if he should have prevented it. Would have been fun if he didn&#39;t die but his death felt pretty dang honest to his character and the situation.<br>

nnodley

#136
Jun 23, 2020, 08:30 PM
Quote from: Xevross on Jun 23, 2020, 03:44 PMYou're like 5-10 minutes away from discovering what's so controversial about the game. But I won't say any more!
Shiiiiiit.  i haven't had a chance to play today but now i'm like itching to play.  will probably be later tonight till i play though.

the-pi-guy

#137
Jun 23, 2020, 08:49 PM
Starting Day 3.

Mmm_fish_tacos

#138
Jun 23, 2020, 11:29 PM Last Edit: Jun 24, 2020, 12:21 AM by Mmm_fish_tacos
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I just killed the last vita owner

Just hit day 3. OMG..

the-pi-guy

#139
Jun 24, 2020, 03:42 AM
Man....

Legend

#140
Jun 24, 2020, 04:01 AM

the-pi-guy

#141
Jun 24, 2020, 04:07 AM
Quote from: Legend on Jun 24, 2020, 04:01 AMWoman... ?
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Towards the end of day 1, the second time. &nbsp;<br>

Legend

#142
Jun 24, 2020, 04:17 AM
Quote from: the-Pi-guy on Jun 24, 2020, 04:07 AM
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Towards the end of day 1, the second time.  
You've had more time to play it  :D

the-pi-guy

#143
Jun 24, 2020, 04:49 AM
I am 14.5 hours in. I'm not sure how fast/slow I'm going.

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This is already the most conflicting story I&#39;ve ever played. <br><br>They&#39;re going out of their way to personify all the people that Ellie killed. &nbsp;<br>They even made the Vita girl a person with a name. &nbsp;<br><br>I&#39;m sure I still have like a third of the game to go. &nbsp;<br><br>I&#39;m not sure what the lesson will end up being. &nbsp;<br><br>There are no bad guys, just people trying their best?<br><br>I sympathize with Joel because they wanted to kill a 14 year old girl to create a cure. &nbsp;Someone that he loved. &nbsp;<br><br>I sympathize with Abby because her dad was basically trying to save the world and gets killed for it. &nbsp;<br><br>It&#39;s like the trolley problem where people who picked a side end up dying over revenge. &nbsp;<br><br>I think the game is as incredible as it has been since the beginning. &nbsp;It&#39;s making me feel dread. Which I don&#39;t mind, I love the feeling because it reminds me how much life is worth living. I know super weird. <br><br>I don&#39;t know if it when I would play this again. The biggest fault that I have of it, is that it&#39;s pretty long. &nbsp;<br><br>Like compared to Uncharted 2, that just felt like the perfect length. &nbsp;And I still consider it a basically perfect game. &nbsp;<br><br>This feels like the same quality but with worse pacing. &nbsp;I&#39;m still enjoying every minute of it, but it&#39;s long. <br>

Legend

#144
Jun 24, 2020, 04:53 AM
Quote from: the-Pi-guy on Jun 24, 2020, 04:49 AMI am 14.5 hours in. I'm not sure how fast/slow I'm going.

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This is already the most conflicting story I've ever played.

They're going out of their way to personify all the people that Ellie killed.  
They even made the Vita girl a person with a name.  

I'm sure I still have like a third of the game to go.  

I'm not sure what the lesson will end up being.  

There are no bad guys, just people trying their best?

I sympathize with Joel because they wanted to kill a 14 year old girl to create a cure.  Someone that he loved.  

I sympathize with Abby because her dad was basically trying to save the world and gets killed for it.  

It's like the trolley problem where people who picked a side end up dying over revenge.  

I think the game is as incredible as it has been since the beginning.  It's making me feel dread. Which I don't mind, I love the feeling because it reminds me how much life is worth living. I know super weird.

I don't know if it when I would play this again. The biggest fault that I have of it, is that it's pretty long.  

Like compared to Uncharted 2, that just felt like the perfect length.  And I still consider it a basically perfect game.  

This feels like the same quality but with worse pacing.  I'm still enjoying every minute of it, but it's long.

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It&#39;s very very long. Might be the longest linear game of this type.<br><br>My thoughts were really similar to yours at that point.<br>

DerNebel

#145
Jun 24, 2020, 06:35 AM
Quote from: Legend on Jun 23, 2020, 07:16 PMOnly using spoilers pre seattle.

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I don't understand it either. There are issues with the game but I'm shocked so many people are fueled by revenge this strongly.

I did not want to kill Joel. The second I was Abby in the snow, I fired all my bullets to sabotage her intentions. There is definitely something to discuss about games having players go against their desires, I'll be making that thread after more have finished, but I really don't understand the disgust people have towards controlling her.

"She killed my boy!" And?

Late game disagreements with the plot can be the fault of the game and pacing is certainly the fault of the game, but this specific part just feels like players lacking a desire for depth. Same goes with Joel getting killed as if he should have prevented it. Would have been fun if he didn't die but his death felt pretty dang honest to his character and the situation.
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The thing is, it seems like a lot of people ever so slightly changed the story of the first game in their head, to have Joel be the hero in the end. Things like that there were audio recordings in the game that told you the fireflies already tried many more patients like Ellie before and it never worked, or that the game was making it a point to show that the fireflies where just amateurs who would never be able to find a cure. <br><br>This of course goes blatantly against the point of that game&#39;s ending. However believing those things to be true makes it a lot easier to say Joel didn&#39;t deserve to die or that he didn&#39;t deserve the death he got.<br><br>Instead I saw people talk about him getting a hero&#39;s death instead, which would be utterly out of character for TLOU, but since they turned him into the hero of the first game in their head, they of course have an easier time justifying that.<br><br>A lot of the complainers appear to need to replay on the original game.

Xevross

#146
Jun 24, 2020, 08:48 AM
Quote from: DerNebel on Jun 24, 2020, 06:35 AM
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The thing is, it seems like a lot of people ever so slightly changed the story of the first game in their head, to have Joel be the hero in the end. Things like that there were audio recordings in the game that told you the fireflies already tried many more patients like Ellie before and it never worked, or that the game was making it a point to show that the fireflies where just amateurs who would never be able to find a cure.

This of course goes blatantly against the point of that game's ending. However believing those things to be true makes it a lot easier to say Joel didn't deserve to die or that he didn't deserve the death he got.

Instead I saw people talk about him getting a hero's death instead, which would be utterly out of character for TLOU, but since they turned him into the hero of the first game in their head, they of course have an easier time justifying that.

A lot of the complainers appear to need to replay on the original game.
Either that or people just think:

Joel = white male protagonist.

=> Joel = hero

nnodley

#147
Jun 24, 2020, 12:55 PM
I'm sooooooo conflicted right now.  I don't even know what to think:  

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First off why gotta do Jesse like that. &nbsp;I was started to really like him. <img src="https://vizioneck.com/forum/Smileys/alienine/cry.png" alt="&#58;&#39;&#40;" title="Cry" class="smiley"> &nbsp;<br><br>Second: &nbsp;Now i&#39;m playing as the woman who bashed in joels head. &nbsp;Like whaaaaaat. &nbsp;But whats so conflicting is we hate these characters but love joel and ellie so it was a pretty massive change. &nbsp;Getting towards the end of Abby Day 1. Bout to meet Isaac. &nbsp;<br><br>And you know what, i&#39;m actually starting to like abby, and i like we actually are getting a chance to see this world from a viewpoint other than ellie&#39;s and joel&#39;s.<br>

Legend

#148
Jun 24, 2020, 06:36 PM
I only started noticing this way later in the game, but Ellie visually reminded me a lot of Jake Gyllenhaal lol.

A skinny, female, Jake Gyllenhaal.

Mmm_fish_tacos

#149
Jun 25, 2020, 01:34 AM
Abby is sorta a bad dog.Way more powerful than ellie
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