How would you describe yourself politically?

Started by the-pi-guy, May 09, 2016, 01:25 AM

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the-pi-guy

A year ago, I did not care about politics whatsoever.  
I was clueless.  I could not tell you what Republicans thought or Democrats thought.  I just didn't care, probably because I couldn't vote and felt that what I thought probably didn't matter anyway.  I probably avoided it because it's a complicated issue.  Imagine "Here's a list of 20 issues, a lot of them might not even have a right answer, but you have to believe there's a right answer as hard as you can.  Anyone who disagrees with you is wrong, and you need to fight them on it.  Those guys are Communists, you don't want to be like those guys."  And when it comes to politics, pretty much everyone is like that.  It's so toxic.  

Over the past 6 months, I've been learning a lot about what the sides are.  Been in discussions that I've highly regret.  I highly regret a lot of discussions, but I'm a stubborn man so I keep going.  
I don't think I've changed, but I have learned a lot about what sides my positions would put me on.  

Overall I lean left, but I would be absolutely content with voting for someone on the right.  George Bush for example, no matter how much you dislike him, he is a very nice man who did what he thought was best.  Conversely when it comes to Trump today, I don't know how people are voting for him.  I don't know what people see in someone who spends so much of his time yelling, insulting, making ridiculous comments.  Well I do know.... :P

I want someone who actually deals with the facts.  I want someone who tries to help people.  That's pretty much where I would like to be politically.

the-pi-guy

I was thinking about it, but I didn't actually mean for this to be anonymous.  :P
Either way, either way.  

Aura7541

I don't affiliate myself with any group because I form my opinions on an issue-by-issue basis. For instance, I have a liberal and libertarian view on abortion and anthropogenic climate change is happening. However, my views on immigration and economics lean more on the conservative side.

One thing I always emphasize is empiricism. I form my opinions and views based on empirical data and evidence. The one thing I hate a lot is when people resort to emotional appeals or make their opinions first and then, scrounge for "proof" that supports their claims.

the-pi-guy

Quote from: 7mh on May 09, 2016, 02:31 AMI don't affiliate myself with any group because I form my opinions on an issue-by-issue basis. For instance, I have a liberal and libertarian view on abortion and anthropogenic climate change is happening. However, my views on immigration and economics lean more on the conservative side.

One thing I always emphasize is empiricism. I form my opinions and views based on empirical data and evidence. The one thing I hate a lot is when people resort to emotional appeals or make their opinions first and then, scrounge for "proof" that supports their claims.
I would say I'm more conservative on abortion.
Liberal on economic, and moderate on immigration.  (Probably leaning liberal)

Riderz1337

Legend made me remove this. Everybody riot.

the-pi-guy


Riderz1337

Quote from: fbd on May 09, 2016, 03:17 AMAre you though?
Well I'm Muslim so to be honest yeah. Trump can go fudge himself lol.
Legend made me remove this. Everybody riot.

the-pi-guy

Quote from: 1ah7 on May 09, 2016, 03:19 AMWell I'm Muslim so to be honest yeah. Trump can go fudge himself lol.
But Muslims love Trump!

So he says.
The double move thing had such cool effects in the preview.  :/

Raven

Socially liberal. Fiscally conservative. Though I don't go to either extreme.

Legend

I tend to lean to the right economically and to the left socially. With most issues I don't have strong nor informed opinions but overall I do feel very strongly that people should contribute to both society and themselves simultaneously.

Minimum wage: shouldn't be increased. I'd truly love some economic move to benefit the lower classes, but I feel this would only be short term relief that only makes the long term situation worse. Instead we need to improve the economy overall so that minimum wage workers are more capable of moving up the corporate ladder. In cases where people can't work higher positions due to circumstances outside their control such as mental handicaps, then government aid or other solutions should be used to give them livable wages.

Abortion: women should decide in most circumstances. Pretty much the only strong opinions I have about this are that I'm unqualified to decide what's correct.

Marijuana: should be illegal. If society treated it like other medicines it wouldn't be a problem, but we don't. It's a mockery of our legal system and directly harms states.

War: sadly needs to happen, but I think we need to put a larger focus on cleaning up after war is over. Kill our enemies and then do what we can to stop more from forming.

Immigration: is good when legal. We need to make it cheaper and simpler to enter the country so that these people can pay taxes too.

the-pi-guy

Quote from: g7m on May 09, 2016, 03:29 AMI tend to lean to the right economically and to the left socially. With most issues I don't have strong nor informed opinions but overall I do feel very strongly that people should contribute to both society and themselves simultaneously.

Minimum wage: shouldn't be increased. I'd truly love some economic move to benefit the lower classes, but I feel this would only be short term relief that only makes the long term situation worse. Instead we need to improve the economy overall so that minimum wage workers are more capable of moving up the corporate ladder. In cases where people can't work higher positions due to circumstances outside their control such as mental handicaps, then government aid or other solutions should be used to give them livable wages.

Minimum wage is one of those things that I think doesn't really have a good answer one way or the other. Mostly because it can be a tricky thing to enforce.  If costs just rise with respect to wages which could happen easily, then there's a pretty good chance you're just at square 1 again.  12$ today buys the exact same amount of stuff that 7.25$ bought last year.  Walmart basically rose wages 30% in the past year, that's more of what we need to see.  Companies that are doing well deciding for themselves to raise wages. 

War: sadly needs to happen, but I think we need to put a larger focus on cleaning up after war is over. Kill our enemies and then do what we can to stop more from forming.
As long as there are monsters out in the world with power, it's something that'll need to happen. 

I just responded in bold.

Legend

Quote from: fbd on May 09, 2016, 03:51 AMAs long as there are monsters out in the world with power, it's something that'll need to happen.
But we can help stop them from getting in power.

If the WW1 cleanup was handled better, so many atrocities could have been avoided.

Xevross

#12
On the normal political scale I'm centre right. I tend to agree with the conservatives on most subjects, especially the economy and immigration. However some things they do I really don't like, such as the ongoing disaster with the new junior doctor contract.

I generally don't agree with the left/socialism on most topics and I'd prefer to go far right than far left for sure.

On the American political scale I think this puts me centre left. I agree most with Hillary out of the remaining candidates but I think Trump would be a much better option that Sanders.

Quote from: g7m on May 09, 2016, 04:47 AMBut we can help stop them from getting in power.

If the WW1 cleanup was handled better, so many atrocities could have been avoided.
We studied that in history at school. That was one of the only times Americans have been right  ;)

If the European leaders had listened to the U.S. when making the treaty of Versailles ww2 probably wouldn't have happened.

Raven

Quote from: 76u on May 09, 2016, 07:03 AMOn the normal political scale I'm centre right. I tend to agree with the conservatives on most subjects, especially the economy and immigration. However some things they do I really don't like, such as the ongoing disaster with the new junior doctor contract.

I generally don't agree with the left/socialism on most topics and I'd prefer to go far right than far left for sure.

On the American political scale I think this puts me centre left. I agree most with Hillary out of the remaining candidates but I think Trump would be a much better option that Sanders.
We studied that in history at school. That was one of the only times Americans have been right  ;)

If the European leaders had listened to the U.S. when making the treaty of Versailles ww2 probably wouldn't have happened.
It's not that Americans haven't been right since, but that our politicians have been riding that wagon ever since as a propaganda tool to convince the citizens that our "interventions" in other areas of the world are altruistic and meant to stop the rise of "the next great enemy of the free world". They're not incorrect because they're incompetent. They're incorrect by intention because they know their general populace is too far removed from the regions we operate in to know much better. You can easily tell how good they've become at it. For as many times as you'll hear Americans says they don't trust their government, miraculously, they'll believe anything the government says when it claims their is a great external threat to us. Makes it even easier when you claim the threat is non-Christian or non-Capitalist. Hold overs from the McCarthy era of propaganda. America's greatest domestic terrorist.

the-pi-guy

Quote from: 76u on May 09, 2016, 07:03 AMOn the normal political scale I'm centre right. I tend to agree with the conservatives on most subjects, especially the economy and immigration. However some things they do I really don't like, such as the ongoing disaster with the new junior doctor contract.

I generally don't agree with the left/socialism on most topics and I'd prefer to go far right than far left for sure.

On the American political scale I think this puts me centre left. I agree most with Hillary out of the remaining candidates but I think Trump would be a much better option that Sanders.

Do you guys know how much the average US citizen spends on healthcare?  It's about $5500 per person.  By comparison all the countries in Europe spend less than $4000 per person.  The public healthcare portion of it, is a big reason for that.  Otherwise we get a lot of bloat for administration.