TGS 2015 hype thread. :LIVE

[Aura7541]

all of KH on one system would be great.  i meant to pick up KH 1.5 but when i saw 2.5 was going to release after the ps4 released i lost interest.  sounds stupid i know but i just don't want to play anything on ps3 anymore.  ps4 or bust!!

You'd be better off on a hypothetical PS4 version because the loading times are sometimes frustrating on the PS3. Going into a drive form or D-Link takes way longer than it should compared to the PS2 and PSP versions

[Kerotan]

Tgs has got me thinking.  

Everybody on gaf just assumed NX handheld and home console will take over 3rd party support.  

Wii U actually started off very well and I doubt it's successor will start off aswell considering its succeeding a failure that tethered off.  It has splatoon but I honestly think that will get a handheld release and succeed there.  

Looking at the big picture,  all these third parties have their fans on vita and ps4. Vita will keep chugging along slowly but ps4 will grow very nicely.  

If wii u which is ahead of ps4 now is getting dominated in terms of 3rd party support then it's successor has no chance vs the ps4 which will be in its prime.  

3rd parties just won't bother especially when they know Nintendo fans will be mainly buying Nintendo titles.  

The handheld will sell 15 million minimum so that's definitely going to get support but if 3rd parties now are choosing ps4/psv over ps4/3ds they are very unlikely to go ps4/NX handheld especially when it's starting out with a much smaller install base.  

That's what I think anyway.  Ps4/vita 3rd party dominance will remain for at least 3 years.  

Sony really iced up losing monster hunter though.

[DerNebel]

Tgs has got me thinking.  

Everybody on gaf just assumed NX handheld and home console will take over 3rd party support.  

Wii U actually started off very well and I doubt it's successor will start off aswell considering its succeeding a failure that tethered off.  It has splatoon but I honestly think that will get a handheld release and succeed there.  

Looking at the big picture,  all these third parties have their fans on vita and ps4. Vita will keep chugging along slowly but ps4 will grow very nicely.  

If wii u which is ahead of ps4 now is getting dominated in terms of 3rd party support then it's successor has no chance vs the ps4 which will be in its prime.  

3rd parties just won't bother especially when they know Nintendo fans will be mainly buying Nintendo titles.  

The handheld will sell 15 million minimum so that's definitely going to get support but if 3rd parties now are choosing ps4/psv over ps4/3ds they are very unlikely to go ps4/NX handheld especially when it's starting out with a much smaller install base.  

That's what I think anyway.  Ps4/vita 3rd party dominance will remain for at least 3 years.  

Sony really iced up losing monster hunter though.

I wouldn't take Gafs Nintendo fanboys too seriously anyway. Sony has great 3rd party relations in Japan, they are not going to suddenly lose that.

OT: This game, btw. is utterly gorgeous, I'm such a sucker for Vanillaware's handdrawn style and it looks really amazing here mixed with this setting.

[darkknightkryta]

Tgs has got me thinking.  

Everybody on gaf just assumed NX handheld and home console will take over 3rd party support.  

Wii U actually started off very well and I doubt it's successor will start off aswell considering its succeeding a failure that tethered off.  It has splatoon but I honestly think that will get a handheld release and succeed there.  

Looking at the big picture,  all these third parties have their fans on vita and ps4. Vita will keep chugging along slowly but ps4 will grow very nicely.  

If wii u which is ahead of ps4 now is getting dominated in terms of 3rd party support then it's successor has no chance vs the ps4 which will be in its prime.  

3rd parties just won't bother especially when they know Nintendo fans will be mainly buying Nintendo titles.  

The handheld will sell 15 million minimum so that's definitely going to get support but if 3rd parties now are choosing ps4/psv over ps4/3ds they are very unlikely to go ps4/NX handheld especially when it's starting out with a much smaller install base.  

That's what I think anyway.  Ps4/vita 3rd party dominance will remain for at least 3 years.  

Sony really iced up losing monster hunter though.

I had a sound reasoning for Monster Hunter back in the Vita thread way back.  Sony didn't really ice up, Nintendo just gave Capcom an offer they (at the time) couldn't refuse.  Capcom almost 100% dropping Nintendo support is probably the consequence of what I think their deal was (And their current financial situation).  Same with Dragon Quest.  Horii was stating quite frequently that Dragon Quest 11 is going to be a console title.  Making a 3DS version makes sense, but why hype a console version when you're just outsourcing it?  Why not make a Vita version as well? 3 DQ titles are in development and only 1 isn't on the Vita, the title where a Vita version makes the most sense.  So I think Nintendo fans are speak highly of third party support for the NX, assuming these previous deals = new deals with other titles.  But what will that help?  There's no "Western" third part support for any Nintendo hardware and I seriously doubt they're going to give the new machine a chance.  Which leaves Nintendo relying on their first party titles.  I'm sure whatever handheld variant machine Nintendo is making will sell at least 40 million, but I don't see it doing more.  This is also assuming the parent effect is in play and hasn't been overridden with ipods (For the West).

[Kerotan]

I had a sound reasoning for Monster Hunter back in the Vita thread way back.  Sony didn't really ice up, Nintendo just gave Capcom an offer they (at the time) couldn't refuse.  Capcom almost 100% dropping Nintendo support is probably the consequence of what I think their deal was (And their current financial situation).  Same with Dragon Quest.  Horii was stating quite frequently that Dragon Quest 11 is going to be a console title.  Making a 3DS version makes sense, but why hype a console version when you're just outsourcing it?  Why not make a Vita version as well? 3 DQ titles are in development and only 1 isn't on the Vita, the title where a Vita version makes the most sense.  So I think Nintendo fans are speak highly of third party support for the NX, assuming these previous deals = new deals with other titles.  But what will that help?  There's no "Western" third part support for any Nintendo hardware and I seriously doubt they're going to give the new machine a chance.  Which leaves Nintendo relying on their first party titles.  I'm sure whatever handheld variant machine Nintendo is making will sell at least 40 million, but I don't see it doing more.  This is also assuming the parent effect is in play and hasn't been overridden with ipods (For the West).

Yeah Nintendo handheld supported properly and assuming they don't start making their big games for mobile is nearly guaranteed 40m WW sales.  

Would be another 50% drop for a Nintendo handheld but given the dying market you can't expect more than 50m unless they make it a phone aswell.  

Your post is interesting.  Looking back through the archives it seems monster hunter used to carry the psp by itself. It even beat the DS over long periods.  

Nintendo getting this game basically meant the 3ds wouldn't decline compared to the DS in Japan but Sony would and massively.  

If they got minster hunter instead the vita would end up selling over 10m and the 3ds probably over 15m instead of 20.

There is no way Nintendo,  Sony and capcom didn't know this.  

So I assume capcom put the series up for tender.  Nintendo obviously paid the huge amount it cost and Sony decided not to outbid them.  

The deal could have worked a number of ways.  Cash up front,  like 100m or Nintendo allowed capcom to keep most of their cut from the sales.  

Either way Sony had more to lose because they've no pokemon,  yokai watch,  animal crossing etc as back up.  

This was the moment they basically resigned the vita to a 15-20m limited.

Was it worth not paying up and taking the hit?  I doubt it but you have to remember sony back then were in dire straights financially.  

Anyway when the series goes back for tender again Sony should consider it.  It doesn't matter to the fans if it's on NX or Vita because either way they need to buy new hardware.  It would sell 3 million vitas by itself and basically give it another 5 years in Japan.  

And with a ps4 version and spin offs it could do well In the West.  

At the very least they should bid a decent price because if they do Nintendo will be forced to pay a big price again limiting their funds when it comes to securing other games.  

And with yokai being so big,  plus Nintendo having mega hiters along with a new heavy hitter that would be massive on handhelds (splatoon)  they can survive in Japan without.  

Sony should at least try get something the equivalent of the dragon quest heroes,  builders and 11 deal.  Even spin offs can do wonders.

[DD_Bwest]

my god i need this game

[Legend]

my god i need this game

I bet it'll be PSVR's best selling launch title.


Unrelated, but I'll always think of PS voice recognition when I see that acronym.

[darkknightkryta]

Yeah Nintendo handheld supported properly and assuming they don't start making their big games for mobile is nearly guaranteed 40m WW sales.  

Would be another 50% drop for a Nintendo handheld but given the dying market you can't expect more than 50m unless they make it a phone aswell.  

Your post is interesting.  Looking back through the archives it seems monster hunter used to carry the psp by itself. It even beat the DS over long periods.  

Nintendo getting this game basically meant the 3ds wouldn't decline compared to the DS in Japan but Sony would and massively.  

If they got minster hunter instead the vita would end up selling over 10m and the 3ds probably over 15m instead of 20.

There is no way Nintendo,  Sony and capcom didn't know this.  

So I assume capcom put the series up for tender.  Nintendo obviously paid the huge amount it cost and Sony decided not to outbid them.  

The deal could have worked a number of ways.  Cash up front,  like 100m or Nintendo allowed capcom to keep most of their cut from the sales.  

Either way Sony had more to lose because they've no pokemon,  yokai watch,  animal crossing etc as back up.  

This was the moment they basically resigned the vita to a 15-20m limited.

Was it worth not paying up and taking the hit?  I doubt it but you have to remember sony back then were in dire straights financially.  

Anyway when the series goes back for tender again Sony should consider it.  It doesn't matter to the fans if it's on NX or Vita because either way they need to buy new hardware.  It would sell 3 million vitas by itself and basically give it another 5 years in Japan.  

And with a ps4 version and spin offs it could do well In the West.  

At the very least they should bid a decent price because if they do Nintendo will be forced to pay a big price again limiting their funds when it comes to securing other games.  

And with yokai being so big,  plus Nintendo having mega hiters along with a new heavy hitter that would be massive on handhelds (splatoon)  they can survive in Japan without.  

Sony should at least try get something the equivalent of the dragon quest heroes,  builders and 11 deal.  Even spin offs can do wonders.

To tell you the truth, I think Nintendo offered a monopoly on the 3DS to Capcom.  I personally think the rumours of Nintendo locking hardware functions from third parties is true.  Resident Evil Revelations is still the best looking 3DS title.  Not by a little bit, but that game is next gen better looking than everything else on the platform.  Plus the circle pad pro is made by Capcom.  So I think Capcom was expecting way more money from the 3DS than they got.  It's most likely the reason they mismanaged the budget for RE6 which got them in the mess they're currently in.  Also explains Capcom abandoning ship other than what's contracted of them (Monster Hunter 4).  Same with Dragon Quest.  There's no reason for a lack of a  Vita version (Or a 3DS version existing for that matter).  Nintendo probably has some contract in place.  Plus there's more to the Monster Hunter story.  When Capcom was promoting the multiplatform Monster Hunter 3 (3DS and Wii U version) Capcom was questioned why Monster Hunter 4 isn't on the Wii U.  Their reason?  Monster Hunter as a title has to be exclusive.  They said this at a multiplatform release of Monster Hunter.  That's a contradiction.  If Capcom rep said "we're investigating" that'd be a different story.  When asked about no Vita version.  Capcom's response was that it was in revenge for SCEA not fixing ad-hoc party.  When Howard Stringer was the president of Sony, he was being overridden by the execs in Japan.  If Capcom said "Fix ad-hoc party or no Monster Hunter 4" ad-hoc party would be fixed over night.  Capcom most likely said: "We have a deal with Nintendo.  Oh by the way can you fix ad-hoc party?" which was met with "Go #$#@ yourself".  So Monster Hunter 5 will most likely be on Nintendo's next platform.  Outside of that though?  Considering how little support the 3DS is actually getting from Japanese devs these past few years, I doubt it.

[Kerotan]

To tell you the truth, I think Nintendo offered a monopoly on the 3DS to Capcom.  I personally think the rumours of Nintendo locking hardware functions from third parties is true.  Resident Evil Revelations is still the best looking 3DS title.  Not by a little bit, but that game is next gen better looking than everything else on the platform.  Plus the circle pad pro is made by Capcom.  So I think Capcom was expecting way more money from the 3DS than they got.  It's most likely the reason they mismanaged the budget for RE6 which got them in the mess they're currently in.  Also explains Capcom abandoning ship other than what's contracted of them (Monster Hunter 4).  Same with Dragon Quest.  There's no reason for a lack of a  Vita version (Or a 3DS version existing for that matter).  Nintendo probably has some contract in place.  Plus there's more to the Monster Hunter story.  When Capcom was promoting the multiplatform Monster Hunter 3 (3DS and Wii U version) Capcom was questioned why Monster Hunter 4 isn't on the Wii U.  Their reason?  Monster Hunter as a title has to be exclusive.  They said this at a multiplatform release of Monster Hunter.  That's a contradiction.  If Capcom rep said "we're investigating" that'd be a different story.  When asked about no Vita version.  Capcom's response was that it was in revenge for SCEA not fixing ad-hoc party.  When Howard Stringer was the president of Sony, he was being overridden by the execs in Japan.  If Capcom said "Fix ad-hoc party or no Monster Hunter 4" ad-hoc party would be fixed over night.  Capcom most likely said: "We have a deal with Nintendo.  Oh by the way can you fix ad-hoc party?" which was met with "Go #$#@ yourself".  So Monster Hunter 5 will most likely be on Nintendo's next platform.  Outside of that though?  Considering how little support the 3DS is actually getting from Japanese devs these past few years, I doubt it.

Very informative reply.  and I'd well believe it.  

If capcom were grttibg the special treatment it may have pissed off other publishers like square and it's why they're going hard as muthafuka on ps these days.  

Sony have gotten deep down and that resident evil spin off console exclusive.  Also monster hunter online frontier rumoured to be in development.  

Would this suggest Sony are getting cosy with capcom again and Nintendo are falling out of favour?  Considering they went with monster hunter x on the 3ds instead of mh5 do you think they may have done that so they could wait out their contract and put mh5 up for tender?

[Aura7541]

I wish I can watch the SCEJA (Asian session) conference, but once again, it's at a time when I'm sleeping -_-

I'm actually interested on what games will be localized in Chinese/English since it's the best way I can play games that might never hit the west.

[darkknightkryta]

Very informative reply.  and I'd well believe it.  

If capcom were grttibg the special treatment it may have pissed off other publishers like square and it's why they're going hard as muthafuka on ps these days.  

Sony have gotten deep down and that resident evil spin off console exclusive.  Also monster hunter online frontier rumoured to be in development.  

Would this suggest Sony are getting cosy with capcom again and Nintendo are falling out of favour?  Considering they went with monster hunter x on the 3ds instead of mh5 do you think they may have done that so they could wait out their contract and put mh5 up for tender?

I think Capcom partnering with Sony is for survival. Every time Capcom goes out of their way to screw Sony over they always come back to them with their tail between their legs. About Monster Hunter 5? I remember reading a rumour back on the chertz that their Nintendo handheld deal was close to expiring.   It's why there was no Vita version of the first the first Revelations. Heck Capcom's reasoning for no Vita version nonsense.  They said Revelations should get a theatre like experience which the Vita couldn't provide.  Maybe you shouldn't have made a 3DS version in the first place? Plus they were willing to let Sony port the second one themselves. So I think their handheld deal is over, I'm not sure what their Monster Hunter deal is. They could very well be waiting out the 3DS cause of what you said about having to buy new hardware.

[Kerotan]

I think Capcom partnering with Sony is for survival. Every time Capcom goes out of their way to screw Sony over they always come back to them with their tail between their legs. About Monster Hunter 5? I remember reading a rumour back on the chertz that their Nintendo handheld deal was close to expiring.   It's why there was no Vita version of the first the first Revelations. Heck Capcom's reasoning for no Vita version nonsense.  They said Revelations should get a theatre like experience which the Vita couldn't provide.  Maybe you shouldn't have made a 3DS version in the first place? Plus they were willing to let Sony port the second one themselves. So I think their handheld deal is over, I'm not sure what their Monster Hunter deal is. They could very well be waiting out the 3DS cause of what you said about having to buy new hardware.

Oh and another thing.  My posts are with the assumption that Nintendo and Sony want the game exclusively.

Considering dragon quest 11 maybe the 2 publishers have decided multiplatform is OK.

Sony would take an upgraded ps4 version and Nintendo take the NX handheld version.  That would keep everyone happy and make the most sense.

Personally I'd like that.  Nothing against Nintendo but they really should be a mobile and handheld developer only.  

If they want to make a console game release it on the ps4/pc.  

[DerNebel]

Guys we're not done here, tomorrow things will heat up again.

Among others we'll get a new SFV character announced tomorrow.

Stay hyped.

[Mmm_fish_tacos]

When do we get news about Persona?  

[DerNebel]

When do we get news about Persona?  

All in the OP. (Those are Japan times in case you are wondering)