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Title: NPD April Results
Post by: Legend on May 15, 2014, 05:36 PM
Coming soon!

What are you guys expecting?
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 15, 2014, 05:42 PM
PS4: 250k
Xbox One: 150k
Wii U: 30k
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: 7H3 on May 15, 2014, 05:48 PM
ps4:280k
Xone: 110k
WiiU: 35k
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 15, 2014, 05:52 PM
About game I expect good Titanfall sales... except that there are no big retail release in April.

Yeap... I expected that Kinect game to bomb ;)

Weak 4-week month.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 15, 2014, 06:55 PM
PS4: 230k
One: 140k
WiiU: 40k
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: DD_Bwest on May 15, 2014, 06:59 PM
PS4  245
xb1 115
WiiU 40
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: nnodley on May 15, 2014, 08:24 PM
PS4: 260K
xb1: 120k
wii u: 33k
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 15, 2014, 08:30 PM
Really, guys? More than 2:1? That's kind of unbelievable
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: 7H3 on May 15, 2014, 08:41 PM
To be fair I based mine of off bad math... was thinking globally but put 2 instead of 4 more likely closer to 220k units for ps4
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: nnodley on May 15, 2014, 08:42 PM
just the fact that they are dropping kinect and making it $399 is telling that it did really really bad.  So no I don't think it's unbelievable at all. 
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: nnodley on May 15, 2014, 08:44 PM
Although I am lowballing xbox 1 a bit.  It will likely be a a difference of 100k I think.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 15, 2014, 08:53 PM

just the fact that they are dropping kinect and making it $399 is telling that it did really really bad.  So no I don't think it's unbelievable at all. 

Wouldn't 150k be bad, for example?
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 15, 2014, 08:56 PM
From GAF... first April NPD.

Quote
PS2 - 326K

XBOX - 77K

GC - 82K



360 - 295K

PS3 - 82K

WII - 360K



WII U - 37K


PS. It is not new that 360 is crushing Xbox One after the first two months... it is possible to 360 be ahead lifetime before October.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: nnodley on May 15, 2014, 08:56 PM

Wouldn't 150k be bad, for example?

Yeah it's not great, but I'm expecting worse to be honest. 
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 15, 2014, 08:59 PM

just the fact that they are dropping kinect and making it $399 is telling that it did really really bad.  So no I don't think it's unbelievable at all.

May will be worst... most guys that want to buy Xbox One will wait June.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 15, 2014, 09:00 PM
GAF - Major April Releases

Quote
NPD Reporting Period: April 6th - May 3rd


Kinect Sports Rivals (XB1) - April 8th

LEGO The Hobbit (PS4 + XB1 + PS3 + 360 + 3DS + PSV) - April 8th

Titanfall (360) - April 8th

Disney Magical World (3DS) - April 11th

Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn (PS4) - April 14th

EA Sports 2014 FIFA World Cup Brazil (PS3 + 360) - April 15th

Trials Fusion (PS4 + XBO) - April 15th

Conception II: Children of the Seven Stars (PSV) - April 15th

LEGO The Hobbit (Wii U) - April 22nd

Demon Gaze (PSV) - April 22nd

The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (PS4 + PS3 + 360 + Wii U + PC + 3DS) - April 29th

JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: All Star Battle (PS3) - April 29th

Kirby: Triple Deluxe (3DS) - May 2nd

Mario Golf: World Tour (3DS) - May 2nd
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 15, 2014, 09:09 PM
Any minute now
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 15, 2014, 09:12 PM

Any minute now

More like 1 hour and 15 minutes to PR but twitter can be faster.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 15, 2014, 09:17 PM

More like 1 hour and 15 minutes to PR but twitter can be faster.

Yeah I expect something on twitter in 30-40 minutes
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Legend on May 15, 2014, 09:37 PM
Oh it's so soon!

OP doesn't lie.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Xevross on May 15, 2014, 09:56 PM
Such excite! Although to be honest this NPD is all about who can drop the least, all numbers will be bad.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Raven on May 15, 2014, 10:01 PM
The titanfall bump is over, NPDs look a lot like January but a bit lower for both. - Famousmortimer
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: DD_Bwest on May 15, 2014, 10:05 PM

The titanfall bump is over, NPDs look a lot like January but a bit lower for both. - Famousmortimer


wasnt jan almost 2-1?
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Xevross on May 15, 2014, 10:06 PM

wasnt jan almost 2-1?

PS4 was 271k while XB1 was 141k. This is gonna be good :)
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Raven on May 15, 2014, 10:09 PM
I have a feeling VGC is going to look like an even bigger joke than before. Tracking the X1 ahead almost the whole time and even after adjustments still making it seem like it was close.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Xevross on May 15, 2014, 10:11 PM

I have a feeling VGC is going to look like an even bigger joke than before. Tracking the X1 ahead almost the whole time and even after adjustments still making it seem like it was close.

Yup, it was always gonna be bad but if it does turn out 2:1 then its gonna be much worse.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 15, 2014, 10:18 PM
10 minutes.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: DD_Bwest on May 15, 2014, 10:18 PM

I have a feeling VGC is going to look like an even bigger joke than before. Tracking the X1 ahead almost the whole time and even after adjustments still making it seem like it was close.


yup, vgc is just utter crud now.  not being able to tell there is a sales gap of almost 2:1 is laughable.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 15, 2014, 10:22 PM

The titanfall bump is over, NPDs look a lot like January but a bit lower for both. - Famousmortimer

Oh snap. PS4 220-250k and One 110-130k?
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Raven on May 15, 2014, 10:25 PM

yup, vgc is just utter crud now.  not being able to tell there is a sales gap of almost 2:1 is laughable.



I love how ioi defended himself in the past by saying something along the lines of "being off by small margins is to be expected". Yeah. Being off by 50 to 100k for both consoles consistently when we're talking a few hundred thousand is NOT a small margin. Claiming that they're neck and neck when an actual research firm says it was pretty much a blow out is not "off by a small margin".
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 15, 2014, 10:27 PM

I love how ioi defended himself in the past by saying something along the lines of "being off by small margins is to be expected". Yeah. Being off by 50 to 100k for both consoles consistently when we're talking a few hundred thousand is NOT a small margin. Claiming that they're neck and neck when an actual research firm says it was pretty much a blow out is not "off by a small margin".

His problem is that he bases his numbers on past history. He seems to think Xbox should be strong now since it was strong last gen in the US.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 15, 2014, 10:29 PM
PS4 on top.

TF 360 > TF Xbox One
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Legend on May 15, 2014, 10:30 PM
VGCHARTZ has 218k for Xbox One.

212k for PS4.

Seems off...
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Raven on May 15, 2014, 10:31 PM

His problem is that he bases his numbers on past history. He seems to think Xbox should be strong now since it was strong last gen in the US.


Which goes to show how out of touch he is with current happenings. The Xbox One is behind everywhere. Every available chart. Every comment by someone who would know. The CURRENT trend of sales. He doesn't pay attention to any of it for his weekly numbers. He is intentionally misleading. There is no way around that. Of course we're talking about an Xbox fanboy who was booted from NeoGAF for spreading false sales numbers to make it seem like the 360 was in no danger of being overtaken by the PS3.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 15, 2014, 10:31 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/LBRZNs7.jpg)
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Raven on May 15, 2014, 10:31 PM
Why isn't there a gaf thread yet?  Put out your statement, NPD people. I want to see people determine their self worth from console sales!!! - Famousmortimer

lol
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 15, 2014, 10:36 PM
Quote
Life to date, sales of PS4 and Xbox One hardware have more than doubled the combined sales of PS3 and 360 hardware through their first six months of sales," said NPD analyst Liam Callahan.


Hardware 76% up yoy
Software 10% down yoy
Overall sales 17% up yoy
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Raven on May 15, 2014, 10:36 PM
Xbox One sold 115,000 in April
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Xevross on May 15, 2014, 10:36 PM
Xbox One 115k. Lol
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Legend on May 15, 2014, 10:37 PM
115 Xbox One
70 360
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Raven on May 15, 2014, 10:37 PM
http://venturebeat.com/2014/05/15/april-2014-npd-playstation-4-outsells-xbox-one-again/
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 15, 2014, 10:38 PM
Holy shitsnacks, that is worse than pretty much everyone thought.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 15, 2014, 10:39 PM
It is a shame that forum sales numbers... overtracked by 150k?

It is less than 30k per week and not more than 50k like the site shows... ridiculous.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Xevross on May 15, 2014, 10:39 PM
VGC overtracked by 102k
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: the-pi-guy on May 15, 2014, 10:40 PM

It is a share that forum sales numbers... overtracked by 150k?

102k. 

While, 360 is only about 3k off. 
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 15, 2014, 10:41 PM
PS4 close to 2:1 again.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Raven on May 15, 2014, 10:42 PM

VGC overtracked by 102k


Yep. VGC overtracked the X1 by over 100k. It did less than 29,000 in the US per week on average.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Xevross on May 15, 2014, 10:43 PM

Yep. VGC overtracked the X1 by over 100k. It did less than 29,000 in the US per week on average.

WW less than 60k per week then? Probably.
EDIT: Actually probably less than 50k WW. That is horrible.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 15, 2014, 10:43 PM

102k. 

While, 360 is only about 3k off.

So they adjusted the numbers after my ban.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 15, 2014, 10:44 PM
Looks like One software sales are also way off. Slightly less than 450k games in April. Seems to me that VGChartz has something like 600-800k (didn't count).
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: the-pi-guy on May 15, 2014, 10:45 PM

So they adjusted the numbers after my ban.

They do tend to do that. 
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Legend on May 15, 2014, 10:48 PM
Guess we have to wait a bit for more pr statements.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Xevross on May 15, 2014, 10:49 PM
Seems that WW PS4 could have outsold XB1 by 2.5:1 or more, a lot more than VGC thought. (if the 2:1 in USA is true).
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 15, 2014, 10:50 PM
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6311965

This guy again. LOL
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 15, 2014, 10:52 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/N3glQet.png)
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Raven on May 15, 2014, 10:55 PM

WW less than 60k per week then? Probably.
EDIT: Actually probably less than 50k WW. That is horrible.


Yeah you can rest assured that if the US sales are off by that much then the numbers elsewhere are probably off as well. Being down to 115k in April isn't the worst. The PS3 did only 80k in the US for April and then again in May. I'm pretty sure the Wii U did even less than that. The problem here though is that the PS3 had numbers that low because of the negative image of its $600 pricetag for the premium package and it really did have crud for games at that time with no good deals to spur sales. I'm guessing the Xbox One managed to avoid going sub-100k thanks to retailer price drops, Titanfall, and the Titanfall bundle. Some of those deals were still going well into April. Though even worse is the fact that the X1 has no other refuge. North America is all it has.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 15, 2014, 10:56 PM
So...infamous sold more than Titanfall XB1. Lol.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Raven on May 15, 2014, 10:56 PM
According to Dodd, Kinect Sports Rivals tanked hard.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Legend on May 15, 2014, 10:58 PM

According to Dodd, Kinect Sports Rivals tanked hard.

If true, that could have been a main reason for Kinect being unbundled.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: DD_Bwest on May 15, 2014, 10:59 PM

PS4  245
xb1 115
WiiU 40


hmmmm cough cough
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 15, 2014, 11:02 PM
Xbox One will outsell Wii U thus year lol, right?
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 15, 2014, 11:03 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/B7HAJMn.png)
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 15, 2014, 11:04 PM
VGC has TF X1 at 230k and I:SS at 90k...yeah
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Raven on May 15, 2014, 11:05 PM
360:

April 2006 - 295K

April 2007 - 174K

April 2008 - 188K

April 2009 - 175K

April 2010 - 185K

April 2011 - 297K

April 2012 - 236K

April 2013 - 130K



Xbox One:

April 2014 - 115K


Xbox 360 has never managed such a low number for April.

Posted on NeoGAF. The 360 never sold so low in April prior to the X1 launching.  295k for the 360's first April versus 115k for the X1.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 15, 2014, 11:06 PM
Yeah and May is going to be way worse. Anyone know if it's a 4 or 5 week month?
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Raven on May 15, 2014, 11:09 PM
Yeah people are pointing out that the combined skus are very deceiving and that Titanfall only managed its position thanks to 360 sales.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Legend on May 15, 2014, 11:13 PM
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 15, 2014, 11:18 PM



This one he get 100% right.

insidederp dog number more accurate than VGC... the quality of the tracking was never that bad before.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Raven on May 15, 2014, 11:23 PM

This one he get 100% right.

insidederp dog number more accurate than VGC... the quality of the tracking was never that bad before.


That's because Microsoft wasn't getting its dog kicked this badly during the last generation. Now he's just blatantly lying.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 15, 2014, 11:25 PM

This one he get 100% right.

insidederp dog number more accurate than VGC... the quality of the tracking was never that bad before.

Yeah, it's funny because people were calling for insiderp to be banned from VGC. Oh, the irony.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: DD_Bwest on May 15, 2014, 11:27 PM
 wonder how long itll take IoI to change the numbers lol  this is laughable..  he wasnt even in the ballpark
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 15, 2014, 11:29 PM
Another one out...

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2930/14193439415_1f61950427_o.png)
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 15, 2014, 11:30 PM
Lol that chalkboard
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 15, 2014, 11:45 PM
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6312397

Dat MLB
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 15, 2014, 11:48 PM
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6312419
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 15, 2014, 11:57 PM

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6312397

Dat MLB

Yeap... Sony confirmed it is the fastest launch in the franchise... I'm guessing close 200k week one.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 16, 2014, 12:00 AM
@Pezus Ben said Destiny PS4 preorders is already over TF Xbox One at launch week... this is megaton.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 16, 2014, 12:24 AM

@Pezus Ben said Destiny PS4 preorders is already over TF Xbox One at launch week... this is megaton.

dang, son!
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Riderz1337 on May 16, 2014, 12:37 AM
dang son...I guess we know why they dropped Kinect. They better prepare for a horrendous month of May though lolz...

Also I love how the Xbox fans are completely non existent in the April NPD thread on VGChartz.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Raven on May 16, 2014, 01:37 AM
Mortimer semi-confirmed that PS4 sold 200k in April.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 16, 2014, 02:05 AM
From sugar.

fat pink ball ~ 41k
orima flog ~ 17k

Vita is dead dead, lower than psp + vita tv, check media create for reference.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on May 16, 2014, 02:09 AM
dang, i wish vita was doing better. I think it's time for them to add it to their phones, take the vitas screen stick it in side of DS4 and sell that for 150. Maybe that would help.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 16, 2014, 02:11 AM
Cream.

Nintendo family (WiiU+Wii+3DS)< PS4
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 16, 2014, 02:19 AM
Cream + Sugar.

HW
~0.42
~1.73

TF X1 ~ 77k
SS ~ 82k
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Raven on May 16, 2014, 02:19 AM

dang, i wish vita was doing better. I think it's time for them to add it to their phones, take the vitas screen stick it in side of DS4 and sell that for 150. Maybe that would help.


Drop the price to $150, cut the price of memory cards in half, create official $500 PS4 bundles that come with a Vita, contract studios that know how to make good handheld games, market the shame out of it, and then still watch it die. The Vita is dead here. If Sony even brings the dang thing up for any decent length of time (more than 5 minutes) at their press conference it'll piss me off. If Sony does another portable platform they need to take notes from the 3DS. Don't launch at a stupid price and if you do then drop it quickly. Create games far more friendly to portable gaming. Have more games made that take advantage of the features. Don't charge people a ridiculous amount to be able to store games. Market the dang thing.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Legend on May 16, 2014, 02:21 AM

dang, i wish vita was doing better. I think it's time for them to add it to their phones, take the vitas screen stick it in side of DS4 and sell that for 150. Maybe that would help.

I'd hate a vita phone.

What would be the point?
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on May 16, 2014, 03:02 AM

I'd hate a vita phone.

What would be the point?


Not a vita phone, and xperia z with a vita slot and vita app. a DS4 that lets you snap the phone in the middle. Just to sell games.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on May 16, 2014, 03:04 AM
oh yea, and actually get the dang thing on a carrie people use. Tmoblie is holding the xperia z back. if the thing was on Att or verizon it would do pretty dang well. everyone i show the phone to on the internet love the dang thing. but the thing is no body uses team mobile and people don't pay 600 dollars for phones.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: 7H3 on May 16, 2014, 03:35 AM

oh yea, and actually get the dang thing on a carrie people use. Tmoblie is holding the xperia z back. if the thing was on Att or verizon it would do pretty dang well. everyone i show the phone to on the internet love the dang thing. but the thing is no body uses team mobile and people don't pay 600 dollars for phones.

I have t-mobile and my wife has the z1 phone :-p its bad dog... can't wait to upgrade my phone.. .I like samsung, but might be going with sony next time around
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on May 16, 2014, 03:51 AM

I have t-mobile and my wife has the z1 phone :-p its bad dog... can't wait to upgrade my phone.. .I like samsung, but might be going with sony next time around


See! I'm switching to tmobile just to get the phone, but it's going to have to wait cause tmobile is good if you live in the city. out in the country not so much.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 16, 2014, 05:34 AM
Lifetime sales from Creamsugar.

PS4: 3,111k
Xbox One: 2,644k
Wii U: 2,347k

Yeap the gap is close to 500k in US already... D O M I N A T I O N ! ! !
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 16, 2014, 05:38 AM
Sumary.

Quote
HW

PS4: ~199k
XB1: 115k
360: 71k
Wii U: ~49k
PSV: ~3.3k

(Wii+WiiU+3DS)<PS4

8th Gen LTD's
PS4: 3,111,000
XB1: 2,644,000
Wii U: 2,347,000

SW:

Kirby ~41k
Mario Golf ~17k
Titanfall (standalone) ~77k
Titanfall (standalone + bundle) ~140k
Infamous ~82k
Conception 2 Vita:18k, 3DS 13k
Demon Gaze 6k
Titanfall 360 > Infamous SS first month

LTD's (Wii U software):
Luigi U > 250k > DK > PIKMIN3 > 230K
RAYMAN > SONIC > MHU3 > 100K
TW101: 74K
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: 7H3 on May 16, 2014, 01:30 PM
I wouldn't say 500k is domination but coming from last gen is a major victory!
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 16, 2014, 01:32 PM
From GAF.

Quote
NPD LTD comparisons:


LTD as of November 2013:

1) Wii U - 1.62 million (+0.48 million from PS4, +0.71 million from XBO)
2) PS4 - 1.14 million (+0.23 million from XBO)
3) XBO - 0.91 million


LTD as of December 2013:

1) Wii U - 2.10 million (+0.10 million from PS4, +0.28 million from XBO)
2) PS4 - 2.00 million (+0.18 million from XBO)
3) XBO - 1.82 million


LTD as of January 2014:

1) PS4 - 2.27 million (+0.12 million from Wii U, +0.31 million from XBO)
2) Wii U - 2.15 million (+0.19 million from XBO)
3) XBO - 1.96 million


LTD as of February 2014:

1) PS4 - 2.54 million (+0.31 million from Wii U, +0.32 million from XBO)
2) Wii U - 2.23 million (+0.01 million from XBO)
3) XBO - 2.22 million


LTD as of March 2014:

1) PS4 - 2.91 million (+0.38 million from XBO, +0.61 million from Wii U)
2) XBO - 2.53 million (+0.23 million from Wii U)
3) Wii U - 2.30 million


LTD as of April 2014:

1) PS4 - 3.11 million (+0.47 million from XBO, +0.76 million from Wii U)
2) XBO - 2.64 million (+0.29 million from Wii U)
3) Wii U - 2.35 million
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: 7H3 on May 16, 2014, 01:49 PM
If mk8 is close to watch dogs ps4 numbers nintendo might beat out xone in June/may
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 16, 2014, 01:58 PM

If mk8 is close to watch dogs ps4 numbers nintendo might beat out xone in June/may

Wii U will be ahead Xbox One in May I believe.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 16, 2014, 02:24 PM

Cream + Sugar.

HW
~0.42
~1.73

TF X1 ~ 77k
SS ~ 82k

So they DID overtrack TF by like 200k...worst tracking ever?
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 16, 2014, 02:25 PM

So they DID overtrack TF by like 200k...worst tracking ever?

It is 144k with bundles... still overtracked but a bit less.

BTW PS3 did 35k.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 16, 2014, 02:29 PM

Sumary.


Is that Luigi U without bundles? If not, then it's WAY off lol.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 16, 2014, 02:30 PM

It is 144k with bundles... still overtracked but a bit less.

Yeah I noticed when I read further. Still something like 100k off or so?
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 16, 2014, 02:32 PM

Wii U will be ahead Xbox One in May I believe.

Yeah, most definitely. I'm thinking maybe 100k for WiiU, possibly even a bit more. PS4 will be close to 300k. X1 will be 50-80k imo. That is if it's a 4 week month
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 16, 2014, 02:33 PM

It is 144k with bundles... still overtracked but a bit less.

BTW PS3 did 35k.

Well it's almost 10 times Vita...lol.
Wtf is happening though? The US market is just doing terrible. So is the Japanese. We need some new and big franchises to revitalize the market. Companies need to stop being stupid by making games exclusive to one or a few consoles who are not even the market leaders.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Raven on May 16, 2014, 04:30 PM

Well it's almost 10 times Vita...lol.
Wtf is happening though? The US market is just doing terrible. So is the Japanese. We need some new and big franchises to revitalize the market. Companies need to stop being stupid by making games exclusive to one or a few consoles who are not even the market leaders.


Well, the handheld market is losing to smartphones and tablets which are more functional and prevalent. Not to mention just as good for second screen devices. The old consoles are just that. Old. These are devices that have been around for 7 or 8 years. This isn't an unusual time for them to die. We just never noticed before because the new generation was typically present for 2 or more years before the old gen collapsed. Console transitionary periods also play hell with game sales because they're split between tons of platforms and some people choose to wait until they upgrade to buy them.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: darkknightkryta on May 16, 2014, 09:47 PM

Well it's almost 10 times Vita...lol.
Wtf is happening though? The US market is just doing terrible. So is the Japanese. We need some new and big franchises to revitalize the market. Companies need to stop being stupid by making games exclusive to one or a few consoles who are not even the market leaders.

I don't think people truly realize what "mobile" has done to gaming.  Gaming, as we know it, has always survived off of children.  Shovelware, parents buying things they don't understand for their children, etc.  All those people are buying tablets instead now.  All those people are why the PS2 and DS sold 150 million units.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Raven on May 16, 2014, 10:34 PM

I don't think people truly realize what "mobile" has done to gaming.  Gaming, as we know it, has always survived off of children.  Shovelware, parents buying things they don't understand for their children, etc.  All those people are buying tablets instead now.  All those people are why the PS2 and DS sold 150 million units.


They're the same people who invested in the Wii. In fact, the very crowd you're referring to was almost entirely responsible for that console's success. It was marketed to the right people at the right time. Nintendo fans to this day still think the Wii sold because it was an awesome gaming platform for actual gamers. The Wii would have tanked if not for them. We actually could have been looking at fewer console sales in the 7th gen compared to the 6th gen.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: u4gReservoirDogs on May 17, 2014, 11:24 AM
One console to rule them all;
(http://img.pandawhale.com/post-38707-Highlander-there-can-be-only-o-V7Om.gif)
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: darkknightkryta on May 17, 2014, 12:21 PM

They're the same people who invested in the Wii. In fact, the very crowd you're referring to was almost entirely responsible for that console's success. It was marketed to the right people at the right time. Nintendo fans to this day still think the Wii sold because it was an awesome gaming platform for actual gamers. The Wii would have tanked if not for them. We actually could have been looking at fewer console sales in the 7th gen compared to the 6th gen.

I always had a theory that this gen wasn't actually larger than last.  Between the people buying Wiis and putting them in the closet, to people owning PS3 and 360 consoles, there's probably less unique console owners vs PS2 days.  As an aside, I think PSNow is one of the smartest things Sony has invested in.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Raven on May 17, 2014, 01:24 PM
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6316949

lol owned
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: u4gReservoirDogs on May 17, 2014, 01:30 PM

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6316949

lol owned

(http://www.quiterly.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/bazinga.jpg)
He won't react, because his laptop-battery dried up again or something like that.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: BananaKing on May 17, 2014, 01:50 PM

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6316949

lol owned


lol. i tried to find that post before NPD results came out, so i can post it in the NPD thread once results came out, didnt find it.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: darkknightkryta on May 17, 2014, 01:52 PM
What are the NDP numbers for PS4?  Still, Infamous outsold TitanFall Xbox One.  That's gotta hurt.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: BananaKing on May 17, 2014, 01:58 PM

What are the NDP numbers for PS4?  Still, Infamous outsold TitanFall Xbox One.  That's gotta hurt.


199k.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 17, 2014, 04:05 PM

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6316949

lol owned

That was fun... even before NPD, just few days after he posted, they adjusted the numbers to put PS4 on top (of course only 2k is different that 20k showed by NPD but his post was fun).
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 17, 2014, 04:09 PM

I always had a theory that this gen wasn't actually larger than last.  Between the people buying Wiis and putting them in the closet, to people owning PS3 and 360 consoles, there's probably less unique console owners vs PS2 days.  As an aside, I think PSNow is one of the smartest things Sony has invested in.

I agree but mostly because the Wii gamers are not moving to a new generation and I don't think they ever will.

PS4 will grow stealing core gamers from Wii and 360
Xbox One will fall losing core users to PS4
Wii U will fall losing core user to OS4 but mostly losing these casual users to anybody.

So the Wii U part is what making the industry fad... the industry is losing the Wii casual user base.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 18, 2014, 06:11 AM
I was think some about next NPD sales and about the sales ration between US and The World.

NPD May Guesses

I was looking about the April average per week for the consoles to start...

PS4: 199k / 4 = ~50k per week
Xbox One: 115k / 4 = ~30k per week
Wii U: 50k / 4 = ~13k per week

So using the the most important fact that will happen for May we can guess these sales for a 5 weeks-month.

PS4: 55k-60k per week * 5 = 275k-300k * MLB The Show and Watch Dogs
Xbox One: 15k-20k per week * 5 = 75k-100k * Drop due the fact gamers are expecting E3 and new Kinectless SKU
Wii U: 15-25k per week * 5 = 75k-125k * Mario Kart

These are the sales I expect for May.

Global Sales Based in US/The World Ratio

If we look at the previous months for PS4/Xbox One we can find a ratio to guess the Global Sales:

PS4 Nov > 1.14m (US) to 2.1m (WW) = 54%
PS4 Dec > 2.00m (US) to 4.2m (WW) = 48%
PS4 Jan > 2.27m (US) to 5.3m (WW) = 43%
PS4 Feb > 2.54m (US) to 6.0m (WW) = 42%
PS4 Mar > 2.91m (US) to 7.0m (WW) = 41%

Xbox One Dec > 1.82m (US) to 3.0m (WW) = 61%

Well I don't have another sales data for Xbox One... so I will work with what we have right now.

PS4 Apr: 3.11m (US) to 7.4m (WW) * using 42%
PS4 Apr: 3.11m (US) to 7.6m (WW) * using 41%
PS4 Apr: 3.11m (US) to 7.8m (WW) * using 40%

Xbox One Apr: 2.64m (US) to 4.26m (WW) * using 62%
Xbox One Apr: 2.64m (US) to 4.33m (WW) * using 61%
Xbox One Apr: 2.64m (US) to 4.40m (WW) * using 60%

So the gap right now is already above 3 million WW... using this trend PS4 can reach 9m before Xbox One reach 5m.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 19, 2014, 04:05 PM
Sorry guys I did a terrible mistake... May is a 4-week month and not a 5-week.

NPD May Guesses

I was looking about the April average per week for the consoles to start...

PS4: 199k / 4 = ~50k per week
Xbox One: 115k / 4 = ~30k per week
Wii U: 50k / 4 = ~13k per week

So using the the most important fact that will happen for May we can guess these sales for a 4 week-month.

PS4: 55k-60k per week * 4 = 220k-240k * MLB The Show and Watch Dogs
Xbox One: 15k-20k per week * 5 = 60k-80k * Drop due the fact gamers are expecting E3 and new Kinectless SKU
Wii U: 15-25k per week * 5 = 60k-100k * Mario Kart

These are the sales I expect for May.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 19, 2014, 04:08 PM
Thought so.
Although I think 250k or so for PS4 is likely and WiiU could go higher due to a big initial MK boost
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on May 19, 2014, 04:46 PM
Ps4 > 250k Xbox One < 100k wii u will remain flat.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 19, 2014, 05:05 PM

Ps4 > 250k Xbox One < 100k wii u will remain flat.

I really think that's impossible. There is some hype for MK
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: darkknightkryta on May 19, 2014, 05:07 PM

I really think that's impossible. There is some hype for MK

Hype from people who already own a Wii U?
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: u4gReservoirDogs on May 19, 2014, 05:22 PM
PS4: 250k
XBO: 90k
WiU: 150k
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: 7H3 on May 19, 2014, 05:43 PM
hmm... honestly I think the Xbox one is the only system that will stay the same as last month... I expect both PS4 and Wii U to see a boost in May NPD as Watchdogs and MK8 should give a boost. I think Watch Dogs will also boost Xone sales enough to offset any drop due to incoming price drop. I don't think the Titanfall bundle and price drop incoming prior to Titanfall release date decreased xone sales as they were actually quite improved prior to titanfall release in spite of a better deal being available for pre-order.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 19, 2014, 05:47 PM

Hype from people who already own a Wii U?

Only 2-3m people own a WiiU in the US. I don't think that's all of the MK fans.
Heck, even TF managed to boost X1 (an artificial boost) and that's a MP and we assumed everyone had got an X1 for it before it launched anyway
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on May 19, 2014, 05:55 PM
Oh yeah forgot out mk so 150 percent boost
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Ludicrous Speed on May 19, 2014, 06:02 PM
Wouldn't be surprised to see Xbox One tank hard in May as people wait for the cheaper SKU. I am surprised at the consumer awareness I have seen that this price drop is coming.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: 7H3 on May 19, 2014, 06:57 PM

Wouldn't be surprised to see Xbox One tank hard in May as people wait for the cheaper SKU. I am surprised at the consumer awareness I have seen that this price drop is coming.

I doubt it will tank as some are expecting. Titanfall bundle xone for $50 didn't cause the xone sales to tank before that was released. So I don't think that the new sku will have that much affect either. Although titanfall was a bigger deal for xone than watch dogs so we'll have to wait and see
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: darkknightkryta on May 20, 2014, 12:17 PM

Only 2-3m people own a WiiU in the US. I don't think that's all of the MK fans.
Heck, even TF managed to boost X1 (an artificial boost) and that's a MP and we assumed everyone had got an X1 for it before it launched anyway

I beg to differ, I think it's all the Mario Kart fans in the U.S.  Plus there's a more likely hood of someone buying an X1 over a Wii U.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 20, 2014, 02:20 PM

I beg to differ, I think it's all the Mario Kart fans in the U.S.  Plus there's a more likely hood of someone buying an X1 over a Wii U.

In May? Don't think so, given the impending price cut
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: darkknightkryta on May 20, 2014, 09:29 PM

In May? Don't think so, given the impending price cut

I guess I hinted that the X1 is gonna outsell the Wii U in May, didn't realize that.  What I was trying to get to is that it's more likely that someone who doesn't own a PS4, X1, Wii U are going to go into a store and pick up an X1 (or a PS4) over a Wii U.  They're not gonna see Mario Kart and choose it over Call of Duty, Infamous or TitanFall.  If they walk into a store to pick up Mario Kart, it's because they already have a Wii U.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Legend on May 21, 2014, 12:52 AM
I think Wii U will have its best month in a long time and Xbox One will have its worst month in a long time, but I doubt Wii U will beat Xbox One. Price cut news isn't going to have that big of a negative impact on sales. People have had the opportunity to get the system plus kinect plus Titanfall for $450. Also if the price drop wasn't announced, who would be buying it this month? Gamers who are ok with spending more for Kinect. I doubt much of these people will go "I was planning to buy it with Kinect and Titanfall for $450, but now I'll wait a month and lose Titanfall+Kinect just to save $50." The price cut will hopefully do a good job bringing in new gamers, but I don't see it convincing the current fanbase to hold off.

With Wii U, MK just comes out too late in the month. Its June should be much larger than its May. If I had to bet on it, I'd say Wii U<Xbox One in May but Wii U>Xbox One in June.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 21, 2014, 01:47 AM

I guess I hinted that the X1 is gonna outsell the Wii U in May, didn't realize that.  What I was trying to get to is that it's more likely that someone who doesn't own a PS4, X1, Wii U are going to go into a store and pick up an X1 (or a PS4) over a Wii U.  They're not gonna see Mario Kart and choose it over Call of Duty, Infamous or TitanFall.  If they walk into a store to pick up Mario Kart, it's because they already have a Wii U.

Yeah but it's Mario Kart...people will buy WiiU's for it.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: 7H3 on May 21, 2014, 03:42 AM

I think Wii U will have its best month in a long time and Xbox One will have its worst month in a long time, but I doubt Wii U will beat Xbox One. Price cut news isn't going to have that big of a negative impact on sales. People have had the opportunity to get the system plus kinect plus Titanfall for $450. Also if the price drop wasn't announced, who would be buying it this month? Gamers who are ok with spending more for Kinect. I doubt much of these people will go "I was planning to buy it with Kinect and Titanfall for $450, but now I'll wait a month and lose Titanfall+Kinect just to save $50." The price cut will hopefully do a good job bringing in new gamers, but I don't see it convincing the current fanbase to hold off.

With Wii U, MK just comes out too late in the month. Its June should be much larger than its May. If I had to bet on it, I'd say Wii U<Xbox One in May but Wii U>Xbox One in June.

yeah but that's when the new sku comes out for Xone so I dunno if WiiU can outsell it in June... if MS does a decent job @ e3 the hype for xone should bring their sales back up to 150k in june
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Legend on May 21, 2014, 05:27 AM

yeah but that's when the new sku comes out for Xone so I dunno if WiiU can outsell it in June... if MS does a decent job @ e3 the hype for xone should bring their sales back up to 150k in june


But Xbox One and PS4 are in direct competition. Microsoft could have the best show in history, but it'd have minimal impact if a few hours later Sony's show is even better. I mean look at last E3. Game wise and what not, Microsoft killed it. Didn't do squat.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: BananaKing on May 21, 2014, 07:36 AM

I think Wii U will have its best month in a long time and Xbox One will have its worst month in a long time, but I doubt Wii U will beat Xbox One. Price cut news isn't going to have that big of a negative impact on sales. People have had the opportunity to get the system plus kinect plus Titanfall for $450. Also if the price drop wasn't announced, who would be buying it this month? Gamers who are ok with spending more for Kinect. I doubt much of these people will go "I was planning to buy it with Kinect and Titanfall for $450, but now I'll wait a month and lose Titanfall+Kinect just to save $50." The price cut will hopefully do a good job bringing in new gamers, but I don't see it convincing the current fanbase to hold off.

With Wii U, MK just comes out too late in the month. Its June should be much larger than its May. If I had to bet on it, I'd say Wii U<Xbox One in May but Wii U>Xbox One in June.


i think the price cut will have its effect mostly on the more casual/mass market consumers. the ones who enter the store not knowing much about either console, mostly just their names. previously they say PS4 for 399$ and XB1 for 499$ so PS4 immediately won. not they are on the same playing field, so it will surely make more people consider which one to buy.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 21, 2014, 02:19 PM
Seems like Kinect Sports Rivals sold less than 65k.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Legend on May 21, 2014, 10:45 PM

Seems like Kinect Sports Rivals sold less than 65k.

Ouch
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 22, 2014, 07:12 PM
I was checked VGC a time a day to see if they will update the sales to match the NPD numbers... they did today.

















ConsoleNPDVGC
PS4199k212k
360115k155k


Yeap... it is a joke yet... even after adjustments the numbers looks off... I won't make a lifetime comparision because it will show a even worst difference.

BTW if you check the thread some guys are thinking PS4 is OVERTRACKED now that Xbox One are selling really really bad.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6332231

Edit - MLB The Show sales for PS4 are 155k for week 1... seems a bit under because it was the fastest selling version in the franchise.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: darkknightkryta on May 22, 2014, 08:03 PM
Yeah, it's ioi's crusade against Sony...
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: u4gReservoirDogs on May 22, 2014, 10:46 PM

I was checked VGC a time a day to see if they will update the sales to match the NPD numbers... they did today.

















ConsoleNPDVGC
PS4199k212k
360115k155k


Yeap... it is a joke yet... even after adjustments the numbers looks off... I won't make a lifetime comparision because it will show a even worst difference.

BTW if you check the thread some guys are thinking PS4 is OVERTRACKED now that Xbox One are selling really really bad.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6332231

Edit - MLB The Show sales for PS4 are 155k for week 1... seems a bit under because it was the fastest selling version in the franchise.

See, they miss you at vgchartz;
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6333176 (http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6333176)
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 22, 2014, 11:09 PM

See, they miss you at vgchartz;
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6333176 (http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6333176)

Neither the quote he can do right... it is 800-900k for a 5-week month like March... April/May are 4-week month that means 650-700k.

Jan: ~900k
Feb: ~900k (Japan launch... the only 4-week month to have 900k)
Mar: ~900k
Apr: ~700k

PS4 sales continue to amaze me... it is close or already hit 8 million... I think Sony will wait E3 do say "PS4 sold over 8 million as of May 22nd".

Edit - That's why I left the site: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6333180 (yeap the guy got banned) while people like Feanor and Kowen get free pass ;)
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 23, 2014, 02:35 PM

I was checked VGC a time a day to see if they will update the sales to match the NPD numbers... they did today.

















ConsoleNPDVGC
PS4199k212k
360115k155k


Yeap... it is a joke yet... even after adjustments the numbers looks off... I won't make a lifetime comparision because it will show a even worst difference.

BTW if you check the thread some guys are thinking PS4 is OVERTRACKED now that Xbox One are selling really really bad.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6332231

Edit - MLB The Show sales for PS4 are 155k for week 1... seems a bit under because it was the fastest selling version in the franchise.

Lol, almost exactly what I predicted. I said they'd take the average of VGC numbers and NPD for One.

Yeah, well, Kowen doesn't like the numbers so (naturally) he thinks they are wrong. Ironic
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 23, 2014, 02:36 PM

Neither the quote he can do right... it is 800-900k for a 5-week month like March... April/May are 4-week month that means 650-700k.

Jan: ~900k
Feb: ~900k (Japan launch... the only 4-week month to have 900k)
Mar: ~900k
Apr: ~700k

PS4 sales continue to amaze me... it is close or already hit 8 million... I think Sony will wait E3 do say "PS4 sold over 8 million as of May 22nd".

Edit - That's why I left the site: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6333180 (yeap the guy got banned) while people like Feanor and Kowen get free pass ;)

Why didn't Dark Feanor get a ban? He mentioned you several times. Guys here who are still on VGC should report him.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 23, 2014, 02:52 PM

Why didn't Dark Feanor get a ban? He mentioned you several times. Guys here who are still on VGC should report him.

Only ps fans are banned... you know that.
Title: Re: NPD April Results
Post by: ethomaz on May 24, 2014, 04:45 AM
Aqua.

Quote
Total console (PS3 + PS4 + 360 + XBO + Wii + Wii U) software revenue:
$194.9 million

Marketshare:

PS3 + PS4 = 35.1%
360 + XBO = 54.1%
Wii + Wii U = 10.7%

YOY Comps:

PS3 + PS4 (PlayStation ecosystem): -13% from last year
360 + XBO (Microsoft ecosystem): -5% from last year
Wii + Wii U (Nintendo ecosystem): -22% from last year

PS3: -49% from last year
360: -25% from last year
Wii: -46% from last year
Wii U: 46% from last year


And:
PS4 + XBO software sales comprised 22% of the software market