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Title: PS5 |OT| VRR coming soon
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jan 29, 2020, 11:33 PM
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/JChXjr9BuvU8Ymn7s-BxdWPvG9g=/0x110:1920x1001/1200x800/filters:focal(807x387:1113x693)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/66040679/Screenshot__90_.0.png)

Console:

PS5
CPU8 Core AMD Zen 2. 
16 Threads @ 3.5 GHz
GPU10.3 TF RDNA 2 Navi
Variable clock up to 2.23 GHz GPU
RAMSingle Pool 16 GB GDDR6
448 GB/s
Storage825 GB SSD
5.5 GB/s raw throughput, 8-9 GB/s compressed
Expandable StoragePlaying PS5 games requires proprietary card storage
Storing PS5 games can be placed on external HDD
Optical Drive4K bluray drive (100GB)
Backwards Compatibilityall PS4 titles
Special Features

Controller:
DS4 based, haptic feedback, resistive triggers, array of Microphones, USB C charging.
Controller (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?msg=251095)

PSVR2:
Resolution: NA
FOV: NA
Tracking: NA
Eye tracking: Probably

First Wired Summary (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?msg=244100)
Second Wired Summary (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?msg=251090)
Sony reveals new PS5 logo, which looks familiar - Polygon (https://www.polygon.com/ps5/2020/1/7/21054766/sony-new-ps5-logo-holiday-2020-release)

Controller:
Introducing DualSense, the New Wireless Game Controller for PlayStation 5 - PlayStation.Blog (https://blog.us.playstation.com/2020/04/07/introducing-dualsense-the-new-wireless-game-controller-for-playstation-5/)

VR:
VR presentation (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?msg=251096)

Relevant threads and posts:
When will the PS5 meeting take place? (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=7713.0)
When are you planning to upgrade to next gen? (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=7735.0)
PS5 Logo reveal (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=7698.0)
First PS5 game: Godfall (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=7674.0)
PS5 devkit image leak (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=7651.0)
Mark Cerny Reveals PS5 features (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=7603.0)
Mark Cerny Reveals PS5 specs (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=7340.0)
We try to predict PS5 stuff 2018 edition (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=5962.0)
PS5 power poll (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=7368.0)
PS5 power poll 2 (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=7807.0)
We predict day one games! (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=7709.0)
Bloomberg: BOM $450  (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=7768.0)
DualSense announcement (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=7878.0)
Sony expects fewer PS5's (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=7896.0)
PS5 reveal (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=8019.0)
PS5 Games Show June 2020 (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=7994.0)
PS5 UI soon (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=8043.0)
Game cases revealed! (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=8114.0)
Geoff DualSense impressions (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=8137.0)
Feature hopes (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=8133.0)
PS5: $399/$499 (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=8306.0)
PS5 showcase (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=8297.0)
Dimensions confirmed. (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=8309)
Launch Titles (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=8308.0)
Boost worthy (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=8363.msg259383#new)
PS5 exclusives (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=8312.0)
PS5 teardown (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=8352.0)
PS2/PS3 games on PS5 (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=8340.msg258916#new)
PS5 BC API (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=8411.msg260185#new)
PS5 accessibility  (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=8408.msg260095#new)
PS5 unboxing (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=8397.msg260046#new)
PS App (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=8403.msg260023#new)
PSVR adapter (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=8402.msg260023#new)
PS5 media apps (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=8388.msg259850#new)
PS5 UI (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=8371.msg259635#new)
Custom panels (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?msg=270978)
PSVR2 specs confirmed (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=9275.msg271315#msg271315)
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Legend on Jan 30, 2020, 12:23 AM
I'm really excited/scared to see gameplay for PS5 games. Since I'm making my own next gen game it's a big gamble.

Take for example animations. The industry is really working on improving them during gameplay. Check out this for example:


Will most games feature improved versions of this, or will my animation system stand out?

It'll also be really interesting with ray tracing. What will games support and what will look last gen very fast?

It kinda feels like this could be a bigger jump than last gen in some ways.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jan 30, 2020, 04:36 AM
(https://comb.io/UgXRVC.gif)
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jan 31, 2020, 04:36 AM
 PS5, Xbox Series X Power 'Substantially Greater' Than Existing Consoles, EA Says - IGN (https://www.ign.com/articles/ps5-xbox-series-x-power-substantially-greater-than-existing-consoles-ea-says)

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"The power of the new consoles is gonna be substantially greater than existing consoles," said EA CFO Blake Jorgensen during the call. "We can do a lot more [with PS5 and Xbox Series X]. Things we're doing will blow people's minds."
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Jan 31, 2020, 01:27 PM
PS5, Xbox Series X Power 'Substantially Greater' Than Existing Consoles, EA Says - IGN (https://www.ign.com/articles/ps5-xbox-series-x-power-substantially-greater-than-existing-consoles-ea-says)

Now that's a surprise
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jan 31, 2020, 06:35 PM


Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jan 31, 2020, 06:36 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>Wonder<br><div style="margin:20px; margin-top:5px"><div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px"><b>Spoiler</b> for <i>Hidden</i>: <input type="button" value="Show" style="width:60px;font-size:10px;margin:0px;padding:0px;" onClick="if (this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].getElementsByTagName('div')[0].style.display != '') { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].getElementsByTagName('div')[0].style.display = ''; this.value = 'Hide'; } else { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].getElementsByTagName('div')[0].style.display = 'none'; this.value = 'Show'; }"></div><div class="alt2" style="margin: 0px; padding: 6px; border: 1px inset;"><div style="display: none;"><br>Who<br><div style="margin:20px; margin-top:5px"><div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px"><b>Spoiler</b> for <i>Hidden</i>: <input type="button" value="Show" style="width:60px;font-size:10px;margin:0px;padding:0px;" onClick="if (this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].getElementsByTagName('div')[0].style.display != '') { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].getElementsByTagName('div')[0].style.display = ''; this.value = 'Hide'; } else { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].getElementsByTagName('div')[0].style.display = 'none'; this.value = 'Show'; }"></div><div class="alt2" style="margin: 0px; padding: 6px; border: 1px inset;"><div style="display: none;"><br>Will notice. &nbsp;</div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><br>
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Xevross on Jan 31, 2020, 06:39 PM
Shinobi's tweet got me this morning, had a good laugh after. Twitter decided to send it to my phone as a notification (happens once a day roughly and seemingly random tweets from people I follow). The notification literally just said "tweet from shinobi: sony officially announced playstation meeting..." and I was like OMG! Clicked on it and yeah.... twitter and shinobi teaming up to troll me.

I'm trying not to get my hopes up. It'll happen when it happens.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Legend on Jan 31, 2020, 07:14 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/7bmWH4C.jpg)


Oh boy did someone mention the PlayStation Theater?


Spoiler for Hidden:
(https://i.imgur.com/xRwpubI.jpg)<br><br>It&#39;s funny how this little cube gets around.<br><br><div style="margin:20px; margin-top:5px"><div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px"><b>Spoiler</b> for <i>Hidden</i>: <input type="button" value="Show" style="width:60px;font-size:10px;margin:0px;padding:0px;" onClick="if (this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].getElementsByTagName('div')[0].style.display != '') { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].getElementsByTagName('div')[0].style.display = ''; this.value = 'Hide'; } else { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].getElementsByTagName('div')[0].style.display = 'none'; this.value = 'Show'; }"></div><div class="alt2" style="margin: 0px; padding: 6px; border: 1px inset;"><div style="display: none;"><br>PlayStation Theater closed a few months ago lol.<br></div></div></div><br>
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jan 31, 2020, 09:22 PM
Insider confirms no event in February (http://66.media.tumblr.com/4bb51650e97e622d8676c3d708df741d/tumblr_n63qmt1xzR1sk9dlmo2_r1_400.gif)
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jan 31, 2020, 09:40 PM
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Xevross on Jan 31, 2020, 09:42 PM

I miss this guy.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jan 31, 2020, 09:44 PM
I miss this guy.
Me too.  Truly a legend among men.  
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Legend on Jan 31, 2020, 09:54 PM
I miss this guy.
He still tweets on his own account but it just isn't the same.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jan 31, 2020, 11:17 PM
I'm going to say:
50% chance before March 16
100% chance before June 21
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Jan 31, 2020, 11:31 PM
I'm going to say:
50% chance before March 16
100% chance before June 21
Only 50% before March 16? Id say like 80%
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Legend on Jan 31, 2020, 11:51 PM
Switch was just a single youtube trailer for a while right? Xbox Series X is just 2 videos right now. What if you just get a small tease and then have to wait even longer lol.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jan 31, 2020, 11:58 PM
Switch was just a single youtube trailer for a while right? Xbox Series X is just 2 videos right now. What if you just get a small tease and then have to wait even longer lol.
Wouldn't even mind!  

(it is totally going to happen that way, isn't it?).
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: darkknightkryta on Feb 01, 2020, 02:40 AM
I wonder what they'll have cooking that will blow me away
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 01, 2020, 04:31 PM
https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1223396587315122176 (https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1223396587315122176)

See the replies.  Lol.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Legend on Feb 01, 2020, 04:59 PM
https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1223396587315122176 (https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1223396587315122176)

See the replies.  Lol.

Simpsons gif got me.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Feb 01, 2020, 09:32 PM
https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1223396587315122176 (https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1223396587315122176)

See the replies.  Lol.

Announcement tomorrow?
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 01, 2020, 10:03 PM
Sony announces PS5 event to help Australian youth.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-announces-twitch-fundraiser-to-support-young-australians-affected-by-ongoing-bushfires.167935/ (https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-announces-twitch-fundraiser-to-support-young-australians-affected-by-ongoing-bushfires.167935/)

Better.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 02, 2020, 07:02 PM
YouTube suggested this video today.  




Algorithms are saying something is coming soon!  
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Legend on Feb 02, 2020, 07:46 PM
YouTube suggested this video today.  




Algorithms are saying something is coming soon!  
The algorithm will force Sony's hand. If it can materialize disturbing kid videos, I'm sure it can materialize billion dollar consoles.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 02, 2020, 11:00 PM
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 03, 2020, 03:04 AM
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 03, 2020, 02:51 PM
And I think my hope for a February event is rising again.  
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Legend on Feb 03, 2020, 03:00 PM
And I think my hope for a February event is rising again.  
¿Por qué?
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 03, 2020, 03:59 PM
¿Por qué?
No real reason, just feeling lucky.   ;D
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 03, 2020, 09:59 PM
I think (and there really isn't much reason to think so) that Sony will announce it before GDC.

They've been on a sweep to trademark which doesn't mean much of anything.  

And someone verified to work at Sony on Era said "I plead the Febth". Which also doesn't mean anything. Probably doesn't know yet.

But 3 things that mean nothing might mean something together.  ???

Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Legend on Feb 03, 2020, 10:29 PM
I think news has to come soonish for all the reasons people state. The real question is the amount of news.

E3+meeting sized blowout, state of play, youtube trailer, or another article. How much are we going to get before MS's E3 and how will it be spread out?
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 04, 2020, 02:54 PM
Price of the PlayStation 5 hasn't been determined yet. CFO says company is working with many unknowns, including it's competitor's plans | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/price-of-the-playstation-5-hasnt-been-determined-yet-cfo-says-company-is-working-with-many-unknowns-including-its-competitors-plans.168350/)

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Price of the PlayStation 5 hasn't been determined yet; one important factor for that decision will be the price of the Xbox Series X (https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/ps5-price-yet-to-determined)
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During the company's third quarter earnings call on Tuesday, senior EVP and CFO Totoki was asked how the company intends to achieve his stated aim of a "smooth transition" to the next console generation.  Click to expand... Click to shrink...  
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The questioner asked which factors Sony can control, such as marketing and development costs, and what the invisible elements are that make things tricky.  Click to expand... Click to shrink...  
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"First, we must absolutely control the labour cost, the personnel cost, it must be controlled," Totoki said. "And the initial ramp up, how much can we prepare initially, we will work on the production and the sales and we will have to prepare the right volume as we launch this.  Click to expand... Click to shrink...  
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"What is not very clear or visible is because we are competing in the space, so it's very difficult to discuss anything about the price at this point of time, and depending upon the price level, we may have to determine the promotion that we are going to deploy and how much costs we are prepared to pay.  Click to expand... Click to shrink...  
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"So it's a question of balance," Totoki continued, "and because it's a balancing act it's very difficult to say anything concrete at this point of time, but when I said smooth transition, we mean that we will definitely choose the optimal approach and that we will try to have the best balance so that we will be profitable in the life, during the life of this product."  Click to expand... Click to shrink...  
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Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 04, 2020, 03:11 PM
It's an interesting comment because it suggests that Sony didn't just make a console with a price point in mind.  Instead they are really looking to compete.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 04, 2020, 05:16 PM
I believe this is new.

PlayStation 5 is coming | Sign up for PS5 details | PlayStation
       (https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/explore/ps5/)


Really feels like Sony is gearing up for a show
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Xevross on Feb 04, 2020, 05:36 PM
Man so many people on Era reading way too much into that statement on the new website. It literally just means its not being announced yet. They could update it tomorrow, it could be in May... no way to tell. idk why people are going so crazy over this, it will be announced when Sony think the time is right and its an October/November release regardless.

it really winds me up when some people try to say Sony are dropping the ball and shame like that because they're hiding too much. Like do people not remember the PS4 launch? At this point Sony didn't even acknowledge PS4's existence and PS4 went on to be the biggest console launch ever and 2nd biggest console ever overall. Sony have already given us a lot of details about PS5 in comparison.... Since 2013 the culture has moved towards announcing things like this closer to release, so I'd argue that if you can criticize Sony's strategy in any way it might be that they've shown too much up to this point.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 04, 2020, 05:43 PM
it really winds me up when some people try to say Sony are dropping the ball and shame like that because they're hiding too much. Like do people not remember the PS4 launch? At this point Sony didn't even acknowledge PS4's existence and PS4 went on to be the biggest console launch ever and 2nd biggest console ever overall. Sony have already given us a lot of details about PS5 in comparison.... Since 2013 the culture has moved towards announcing things like this closer to release, so I'd argue that if you can criticize Sony's strategy in any way it might be that they've shown too much up to this point.
Me too.

Like that Era thread about "Sony's silence".  What on Earth are you people talking about?! Sony has been ridiculously talkative about this gen.  
PS4 wasn't even announced yet.
Switch was announced some months before release too.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Legend on Feb 04, 2020, 06:01 PM
Me too.

Like that Era thread about "Sony's silence".  What on Earth are you people talking about?! Sony has been ridiculously talkative about this gen.  
PS4 wasn't even announced yet.
Switch was announced some months before release too.
I agree with that silence thread since it's about PS4 mostly.

PS5 though? Exactly as Xev said.

I think the wired posts were a mistake and Microsoft has been too eager to get good will from XSX. So many great games will come out this year for ps4/xbo yet unlike 2012, all eyes are already on next gen.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Feb 04, 2020, 06:04 PM
I agree with that silence thread since it's about PS4 mostly.

PS5 though? Exactly as Xev said.

I think the wired posts were a mistake and Microsoft has been too eager to get good will from XSX. So many great games will come out this year for ps4/xbo yet unlike 2012, all eyes are already on next gen.

Well it's a good thing next gen is backwards compatible. That might be sonys thinking.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 07, 2020, 01:35 AM
Shu finally speaks about PS5:

Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 12, 2020, 09:02 PM
Weird PS ad.  
You know what that means!

Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Legend on Feb 12, 2020, 10:32 PM
Get ready for ps2 ads lol
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Legend on Feb 14, 2020, 03:36 AM


Youtube link for people wanting higher quality pixels.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 18, 2020, 11:15 PM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-worldwide-studios-ot6-the-only-jrpgs-were-getting-are-jim-ryan-party-gifs.158292/page-375#post-29214141 (http://"https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-worldwide-studios-ot6-the-only-jrpgs-were-getting-are-jim-ryan-party-gifs.158292/page-375#post-29214141")
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Champions League has returned and Sony doesn't have PS4 ads anymore, now it's just the white PlayStation logo in a blue background.

Apparently it's a sign of starting a new ad campaign.  Might be a sign PS5 ads are starting soon.  

Feels like more (albeit circumstantial) evidence of PS5 showing soon.  
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Feb 19, 2020, 12:01 AM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-worldwide-studios-ot6-the-only-jrpgs-were-getting-are-jim-ryan-party-gifs.158292/page-375#post-29214141 (http://"https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-worldwide-studios-ot6-the-only-jrpgs-were-getting-are-jim-ryan-party-gifs.158292/page-375#post-29214141")

Apparently it's a sign of starting a new ad campaign.  Might be a sign PS5 ads are starting soon.  

Feels like more (albeit circumstantial) evidence of PS5 showing soon.  
4 days
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Legend on Feb 19, 2020, 12:05 AM
4 days
What does the Nevada primary have to do with this?
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 20, 2020, 06:53 PM
4 hours 4 minutes to go.  
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Feb 20, 2020, 07:11 PM
4 hours 4 minutes to go.  
Until?
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 20, 2020, 08:16 PM
Until?
Exactly 7 years since the PS4 was announced.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Legend on Feb 20, 2020, 08:48 PM
This gen ended up being just as long as last gen. Wonder if ps5 will also be 7 years.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Legend on Feb 21, 2020, 03:09 AM
I was promised ps5 news!
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 21, 2020, 03:34 AM
I was promised ps5 news!
I was hopeful. :(

OP promised some news here!
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Legend on Feb 21, 2020, 03:52 AM
I was hopeful. :(

OP promised some news here!
I think ps5 is fake. No one has ever really seen one.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 21, 2020, 04:07 AM
I think ps5 is fake. No one has ever really seen one.
Cancelled due to Corona Virus!
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 21, 2020, 05:02 PM
New favorite day may 5th.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Legend on Feb 21, 2020, 05:26 PM
New favorite day may 5th.
Oh it's such a perfect day.

I'm a big fan of cinco de mayo as well, but not for games haha.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Feb 22, 2020, 12:30 AM
Itsfuckingnothing.gif
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Legend on Feb 22, 2020, 02:12 AM
Itsfuckingnothing.gif
I think I'll make the machine bump this thread every day saying that.

Well, not everyday.

Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>2/30/2020<br><br>itsorhappening.gif<br>
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 25, 2020, 07:30 PM


PlayStation UK (@PlayStationUK) on Twitter (https://mobile.twitter.com/PlayStationUK)

They pinned their announcement that the PS5 is coming holiday 2020.  
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Legend on Feb 25, 2020, 09:41 PM
Maybe something is happening?

February 30th is my bet.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 26, 2020, 11:26 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/c0fd2efc82db6af8df4e0e4a592406d8.png)
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 26, 2020, 09:08 PM
What's interesting is when the Xbox One X was announced, they had the tagline that it was the "world's"
most powerful console.

It'll be interesting to see if they bring it back when pS5 specs are announced. So far they are being careful and only designating it as their most powerful console.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Feb 26, 2020, 09:47 PM
Well, March is almost here and still there's nothing
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Legend on Feb 26, 2020, 10:03 PM
What's interesting is when the Xbox One X was announced, they had the tagline that it was the "world's"
most powerful console.

It'll be interesting to see if they bring it back when pS5 specs are announced. So far they are being careful and only designating it as their most powerful console.
I don't think facts matter too much for marketing but it will be interesting to see if that's their plan. They're sure using the word "monster" for marketing.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 26, 2020, 11:15 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/9NujZC6.jpg)
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Post by: Legend on Feb 27, 2020, 12:05 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/9NujZC6.jpg)
With modern "relatable" marketing, I'm assuming this is a real tweet.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 27, 2020, 12:12 AM
With modern "relatable" marketing, I'm assuming this is a real tweet.
If it was Wendy's Twitter, I'd totally believe it was real.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: BananaKing on Feb 27, 2020, 02:06 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/9NujZC6.jpg)
It's because it has 8tf.
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 29, 2020, 06:27 AM


Weird tweet.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 09, 2020, 03:19 AM
Pete Hines almost a week ago said he was at Sony getting an update on PS5.

Maybe we'll hear something soon
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 10, 2020, 02:33 PM
The strangest thing is that ever since the March 3rd date went by, news has been so quiet.
There aren't even any fake insiders. Everyone jumped on February.
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Post by: Legend on Mar 10, 2020, 04:55 PM
I still don't get where Feb talk came from. Sure that was how they did PS4 but why is that what people went with?

Nothing with ps5 in 2020 has been like ps4 in 2013.
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 10, 2020, 05:12 PM
I still don't get where Feb talk came from. Sure that was how they did PS4 but why is that what people went with?

Nothing with ps5 in 2020 has been like ps4 in 2013.
A lot of people still assumed that it would be similar, without justification.  
Up until February 20th, we knew more about the PS5 at the time.  Ever since then, we would have known more about PS4.  

PS5 has been kind of weird in their roll out.  We get two random articles, several months apart.  Nothing between, not much after.  

I thought I heard the first article came out ahead of the new dev kits to beat leaks.  Some assumed it'd be similar ahead of GDC.  

A lot of it seems strange. There's been a number of people making stuff up, but there hasn't been anything that has made a lot of sense in the same way that the Xbox leaks made sense.  
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 12, 2020, 03:30 AM
New favorite day may 5th.
Going to say
100% chance of news before June 20th.
20% chance in March
25% chance in April
30% chance in May
25% chance in June
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Post by: Legend on Mar 12, 2020, 04:05 AM
Going to say
100% chance of news before June 20th.
20% chance in March
25% chance in April
30% chance in May
25% chance in June
No new favorite day?
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 12, 2020, 10:59 AM
No new favorite day?
May 5th is still my favorite day.  

Still seems like the best day, but anything can happen.
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 12, 2020, 07:33 PM


Overall sounds optimistic.  
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Post by: SWORDF1SH on Mar 12, 2020, 07:39 PM
Please don't delay the PS5 launch.
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 13, 2020, 03:45 PM
Please don't delay the PS5 launch.
I'm thinking it's less likely.
China and South Korea look like they might be on the road to recovery.  
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 16, 2020, 05:04 PM



May 5th is kind of the later day that I expect a reveal.  

But I also have a feeling it might come quite a bit sooner.  

My late expectation is a show on May 5th.  

Early feeling is they'll announce a show in about a few weeks, and have a state of play or other recorded presentation, probably the same week.  

Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Legend on Mar 16, 2020, 05:31 PM
Will be cool once we start seeing the games.
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Post by: BananaKing on Mar 17, 2020, 12:21 AM
Github leak was wrong about Xsx number of CUs. Further evidence that the info is wrong
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Legend on Mar 17, 2020, 05:35 AM
Github leak was wrong about Xsx number of CUs. Further evidence that the info is wrong
Did anyone predict these CU numbers despite github?
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 17, 2020, 07:56 AM
Did anyone predict these CU numbers despite github?
Tom Warren did.
Although there weren't many ways to get to the number.  So it wasn't a hard guess.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: BananaKing on Mar 17, 2020, 10:59 AM
Did anyone predict these CU numbers despite github?
I'm not sure to be honest.

But this just shows github info is unreliable. Could it end up true? Sure. But even a broken clock is correct 2 times a day
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Xevross on Mar 17, 2020, 12:34 PM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-mark-cerny-will-provide-a-deep-dive-into-ps5%E2%80%99s-system-architecture-tomorrow-at-9am.175561/ (https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-mark-cerny-will-provide-a-deep-dive-into-ps5's-system-architecture-tomorrow-at-9am.175561/)

Oh wow we're getting both at once. Pretty crazy. Let's see how they compare.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 17, 2020, 02:19 PM
(http://secondapps.com/countdown/t1584547200z4.png)
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 17, 2020, 02:37 PM


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Post by: kitler53 on Mar 17, 2020, 05:19 PM


that's amazing.
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Post by: Dr. Pezus on Mar 17, 2020, 05:54 PM
Lol that coffin
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Legend on Mar 17, 2020, 10:31 PM
I am so ready to see ps5 games.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 24, 2020, 04:23 PM
Ready dreamers?  (Fan made)

(https://i.imgur.com/N0N9FE7.jpg)
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: kitler53 on Mar 24, 2020, 04:48 PM
Ready dreamers?

(https://i.imgur.com/N0N9FE7.jpg)
fan made i assume.  

i pretty much doubt it.  afterall,.. ps5 only support 97 ps4 titles amiright.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 24, 2020, 05:18 PM
I thought the "dreamers" comment would make it clear it was fan made.  

Some people thought the spacing was strange in the picture, because it pretty clearly gave enough space for 3 more systems.  
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Legend on Mar 24, 2020, 05:31 PM
PS1 and PS2 are just software and legal issues. Would be cool if they end up being in there.

PS3 might be hard. CELL was funky cool. How well do PC emulators handle ps3 games?
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: kitler53 on Mar 24, 2020, 05:49 PM
PS1 and PS2 are just software and legal issues. Would be cool if they end up being in there.

PS3 might be hard. CELL was funky cool. How well do PC emulators handle ps3 games?
why?

if BC included discs how could playing the game the customer purchased cause a license issue.

more likely, if BC was only for digital download then the the only supported software is the software that publishers choose to publish to psn.  the entire backlog won't be there (like on xbox) but a decent amount of publishers would probably be on board with more money,.. especially if it is sony doing the compatibility testing which is what I think MS did.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 24, 2020, 08:11 PM
PS1 and PS2 are just software and legal issues. Would be cool if they end up being in there.
Depends on how they go about it.  

PS1 disks probably won't be playable however they do it.  Depends on if they decide to get the license for it.  

PS2 should be doable.  They already have emulators for it.  

Still if it's digital only, they'll have that to get over.  
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PS3 might be hard. CELL was funky cool. How well do PC emulators handle ps3 games?
PC emulators are pretty good actually.  54% run well, 37% run but have game breaking issues somewhere along the lines.  

Sony should be able to do better with all their resources.  

Whether they do it... I don't know.  

Would be absolutely fantastic.  And it'd be awesome if Sony could put MS fanboys in their place about BC.   8)
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Post by: Legend on Mar 24, 2020, 08:22 PM
why?

if BC included discs how could playing the game the customer purchased cause a license issue.

more likely, if BC was only for digital download then the the only supported software is the software that publishers choose to publish to psn.  the entire backlog won't be there (like on xbox) but a decent amount of publishers would probably be on board with more money,.. especially if it is sony doing the compatibility testing which is what I think MS did.
It's dependent on how contracts are set up for emulation. A company might be against bc for their games since it's far beyond the scope of the original license deal. I'd imagine the vast majority of pubs would be ok with it but it's still something Sony has to sort out.

Otherwise someone like me could just find an open source emulator and port it as an app.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 27, 2020, 08:21 PM
It's dependent on how contracts are set up for emulation. A company might be against bc for their games since it's far beyond the scope of the original license deal. I'd imagine the vast majority of pubs would be ok with it but it's still something Sony has to sort out.

Otherwise someone like me could just find an open source emulator and port it as an app.
Are you sure something like that is actually in the contract?  

I think the bigger issue with the latter is that it could open up vulnerabilities, that Sony wouldn't want exposed.  
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Legend on Mar 27, 2020, 09:10 PM
Are you sure something like that is actually in the contract?  

I think the bigger issue with the latter is that it could open up vulnerabilities, that Sony wouldn't want exposed.  
Yes but I don't think it's ever been tested in courts. It's better to play it safe on both ends and keep pubs happy. No one wants to get a judge involved.

So if bc was per game then Sony would contact pubs per game, and if bc was system wide pubs would contact Sony to be excluded.


That isn't the problem imo. Windows store for example does not allow emulators.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: kitler53 on Mar 27, 2020, 09:51 PM
Yes but I don't think it's ever been tested in courts. It's better to play it safe on both ends and keep pubs happy. No one wants to get a judge involved.

So if bc was per game then Sony would contact pubs per game, and if bc was system wide pubs would contact Sony to be excluded.


That isn't the problem imo. Windows store for example does not allow emulators.
BC is system wide for ps4 and xbox one...

i don't see this as a contract issue.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Legend on Mar 27, 2020, 11:18 PM
BC is system wide for ps4 and xbox one...

i don't see this as a contract issue.
Microsoft contacts every single pub before adding their game to bc.

I never ment contracts are a big problem with bc. Rather that since PS5 is so much stronger than PS1 and PS2, the only steps to take are programing and legal ones.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: kitler53 on Apr 06, 2020, 06:08 PM
not exactly news but..

http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/04/ps5_praise_from_crytek_developer_retracted_after_calling_it_the_better_next-gen_console (http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/04/ps5_praise_from_crytek_developer_retracted_after_calling_it_the_better_next-gen_console)


Quote
When asked how the two next-gen consoles compare, he says other devs are claiming PS5 "is the easiest console they have ever coded on to reach its peak performance". He goes on to say he thinks PS5 "is extremely simple and has so many abilities that make the devs so free". He concludes by stating PS5 "is a better console [than Xbox Series X]".

Salehi also praises PS5's ultra-fast SSD (http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/03/guide_ps5_ssd_storage_-_how_much_hard_drive_space_playstation_5_has_how_you_can_expand_gb_with_ssd_upgrades_and_why_its_better_than_hdd). He explains that Xbox Series X's quick resume feature -- which lets you put multiple games into a suspended state and switch between them within a few seconds -- could be achieved on PS5 "in under one second".

When asked which of the two consoles he personally prefers to work with, Salehi confidently says PS5 "without a moment of hesitation". He adds, "As a programmer I say PS5 is much better and I don't think you can find a programmer that could name one advantage that XSX has over PS5".
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: SWORDF1SH on Apr 06, 2020, 11:21 PM
So it's pretty much guaranteed that PS5 will be cheaper than the X Series. What position will it put Microsoft in if PS5 launches cheaper than the S Series.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: kitler53 on Apr 07, 2020, 01:15 AM
So it's pretty much guaranteed that PS5 will be cheaper than the X Series. What position will it put Microsoft in if PS5 launches cheaper than the S Series.
price and games.   i'm feeling pretty good about both going in sony's favor with ps5 vs xbox series x.  if series s can launch at $300 it could be a major game changer in the gen's war.  if it launches at $400 then series s will be completely irrelevant.

you can get an xbox one x for $300 today.  seems to me that series s could hit $300 if MS really wants it to.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: SWORDF1SH on Apr 07, 2020, 02:03 AM

you can get an xbox one x for $300 today.  seems to me that series x could hit $300 if MS really wants it to.
Series S? It'll need to have at least a $100 lower price tag than the PS5 to be effective imo. $300 - $350 will work.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 07, 2020, 02:33 AM
I find that guys story incredibly unlikely.

It might be possible there are some weird situations where PS5 might run better, but in general XSX should be slightly better.  
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: kitler53 on Apr 07, 2020, 02:50 AM
Series S? It'll need to have at least a $100 lower price tag than the PS5 to be effective imo. $300 - $350 will work.
yeah,.. that was a typo.  oops.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: SWORDF1SH on Apr 07, 2020, 03:39 AM
I find that guys story incredibly unlikely.

It might be possible there are some weird situations where PS5 might run better, but in general XSX should be slightly better.  
What I got from it is that from a programmers pov, PS5 is better.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 22, 2020, 03:01 PM
Ex-Sony Dev: PS5 Will Struggle With Big Third Party Open Worlds; Can't do Real Time Ray Tracing - ThisGenGaming (http://thisgengaming.com/2020/04/22/ex-sony-dev-says-ps5-will-struggle-with-big-third-party-open-worlds-cant-do-real-time-ray-tracing/)

This guy has some weird vendetta against Sony.  
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 23, 2020, 02:52 PM
I cleaned up the big spoilers, and moved them to their old threads.  So please ignore the random bumps on the one.

There.  This looks a lot better.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 23, 2020, 05:48 PM
Spoiler for Released Controller Images:
<br>(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49747503557_566da5ebc8_3k.jpg)<br>(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49747502797_ba4ef26976_3k.jpg)<br>


This is probably what I should have just done in the first place. 
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 23, 2020, 05:49 PM
https://venturebeat.com/2019/05/23/playstations-dominic-mallinson-on-next-gen-vr-wireless-gaze-tracking-foveated-rendering-and-ar/amp/ (https://venturebeat.com/2019/05/23/playstations-dominic-mallinson-on-next-gen-vr-wireless-gaze-tracking-foveated-rendering-and-ar/amp/)
Spoiler for Images:
<br>(https://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/vr-evolutionary-improvements.png?resize=1024%2C491&amp;strip=all)<br><br>(https://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/psvr-wired-wireless.png?resize=1024%2C506&amp;strip=all)<br><br>(https://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/vr-gaze-tracking.png?resize=1024%2C569&amp;strip=all)(https://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/playstation-vr-foveating-rendering.png?resize=1024%2C563&amp;strip=all)<br>
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Apr 28, 2020, 12:05 AM


Horizon sequel? Surprising?? Maybe a different genre/theme?
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: BananaKing on Apr 28, 2020, 02:44 AM
This isnt credible.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Apr 28, 2020, 02:52 AM
This isnt credible.
What?
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 28, 2020, 07:24 AM
What?
Apparently the latter image comes from tidux.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Xevross on Apr 28, 2020, 10:58 AM
What?
OPM UK have no insider information on playstation, they only pay to use the name. They know nothing except what all of us know already.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: DerNebel on Apr 28, 2020, 03:55 PM
The Horizon sequel thing was apparently about the comic.... I mean come on, how dense can you be to word that like that on you cover.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 28, 2020, 04:06 PM
Yeah.  

The first image is about a comic related to Horizon.  

And the second one seems to come from Tidux.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: Legend on Apr 28, 2020, 04:35 PM
The Horizon sequel thing was apparently about the comic.... I mean come on, how dense can you be to word that like that on you cover.
I think it's fine, ignoring the internet hype train hungry for any ps5 news.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: DerNebel on Apr 28, 2020, 04:53 PM
I think it's fine, ignoring the internet hype train hungry for any ps5 news.
I think it's the fact, it's being combined with that cover.

Now admittedly one should probably expect that the freshly announced sequel to Horizon wouldn't just be mentioned in the corner of the magazine, but still this seems dense to me.
Title: Re: PS5 -OT-
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 28, 2020, 05:14 PM
It's kind of click baity.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on May 07, 2020, 05:20 PM
(https://i.redd.it/krtcsqe27bx41.png)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on May 07, 2020, 05:27 PM
(https://i.redd.it/krtcsqe27bx41.png)
What does it mean!?!?
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Post by: the-pi-guy on May 07, 2020, 05:42 PM
What does it mean!?!?
Sorry some context might help....


It's a map of Jak 3, thought it would help illustrate some things that Cerny was talking about
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on May 08, 2020, 11:41 AM
Jason Schreier: Sony PS5 event will be in early-mid June | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/jason-schreier-sony-ps5-event-will-be-in-early-mid-june.200664/)

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If timestamp doesn't work, it's 39:35. He did warn that COVID-19 may result in change of plans, but as of right now Sony plans are on track for early-mid june event.

 This lines up with what Jeffrey Grubb mentioned before:
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JEFFREY GRUBB said: (http://vizioneck.com/goto/post?id=32689128)    Now that I got the Nintendo story out of my system, let me update here:
 Something is happening June 4, and it's next-gen games related. People saying Sony could still announce hardware before that are absolutely right.  Click to expand... Click to shrink...  
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Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on May 09, 2020, 02:18 PM
(https://i.redd.it/4hicchkp9ox41.jpg)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on May 09, 2020, 08:25 PM
(https://i.redd.it/4hicchkp9ox41.jpg)
lol.  perfect!
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Post by: Legend on May 19, 2020, 02:13 AM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on May 19, 2020, 09:54 AM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 19, 2020, 10:08 AM
Get on with it!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on May 19, 2020, 01:31 PM
Get on with it!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on May 21, 2020, 08:05 AM
Gran Turismo 7 may have been leaked by a racing cockpit manufacturer (Next Level Racing "Denies") | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/gran-turismo-7-may-have-been-leaked-by-a-racing-cockpit-manufacturer-next-level-racing-denies.209640/)

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A professional racing cockpit manufacturer based in Australia seems to have confirmed than Gran Turismo 7 will be be out this year this year which means it could be one of Sony's big launch titles for PlayStation 5.

 Next Level Racing is an official PlayStation licensee, making very big and very expensive cockpits so players get a better simulation when playing driving games. On their Instagram page they asked "What racing game are you most looking forward to in 2020?" and posted four logos representing new games. Dirt 5 is shown and we know that's real, as is F1 2020 and AMS 2, the short name for Reiza Studios' Automobilista 2.  Click to expand... Click to shrink...  
(https://www.thesixthaxis.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/InstaNext.jpg)

 Source: https://www.thesixthaxis.com/2020/05/20/gran-turismo-7-ps5-gt7-playstation-5-launch-games/  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on May 21, 2020, 08:11 AM
Gran Turismo 7 may have been leaked by a racing cockpit manufacturer (Next Level Racing "Denies") | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/gran-turismo-7-may-have-been-leaked-by-a-racing-cockpit-manufacturer-next-level-racing-denies.209640/)
   (https://www.thesixthaxis.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/InstaNext.jpg)

 Source: https://www.thesixthaxis.com/2020/05/20/gran-turismo-7-ps5-gt7-playstation-5-launch-games/ (https://www.thesixthaxis.com/2020/05/20/gran-turismo-7-ps5-gt7-playstation-5-launch-games/)  
I really hope this is true, GT7 as a launch game would be fantastic.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on May 21, 2020, 08:35 AM
I'm expecting Horizon 2, GT7, something from Sony Japan in the first year or so.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: BananaKing on May 21, 2020, 01:38 PM
I think it's possible for GT to be a lunch game. But what I'm expecting is this

Godfall and dark souls remake to ge launch titles.

Ratchet and clank first half of 2021

Horizon and GT second half of 2021

Possibly a japan studio game thrown into that mix. I wonder if bluepoint have had enough time to hit launch though, since they said the remake they are adding some of their own stuff to the remake. Maybe ratchet at launch and bluepoint first half of 2021
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 21, 2020, 10:26 PM
Gran Turismo 7 may have been leaked by a racing cockpit manufacturer (Next Level Racing "Denies") | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/gran-turismo-7-may-have-been-leaked-by-a-racing-cockpit-manufacturer-next-level-racing-denies.209640/)
   (https://www.thesixthaxis.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/InstaNext.jpg)

 Source: https://www.thesixthaxis.com/2020/05/20/gran-turismo-7-ps5-gt7-playstation-5-launch-games/ (https://www.thesixthaxis.com/2020/05/20/gran-turismo-7-ps5-gt7-playstation-5-launch-games/)  
Yes pls
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on May 21, 2020, 11:54 PM
I think it's possible for GT to be a lunch game. But what I'm expecting is this

Godfall and dark souls remake to ge launch titles.

Ratchet and clank first half of 2021

Horizon and GT second half of 2021

Possibly a japan studio game thrown into that mix. I wonder if bluepoint have had enough time to hit launch though, since they said the remake they are adding some of their own stuff to the remake. Maybe ratchet at launch and bluepoint first half of 2021
That'd be a poor showing.  
Sony needs some first party games day 1.  PS4 had Killzone and Knack day 1.  Driveclub was originally a day 1 game. Same with Second Son.

4 planned titles to 0 planned first party titles would be awful. Even though only 2 launched.

I expect:
-Sony Japan seems safe.
-GT something seems likely
-GG
-Insomniac is hard to say.

Although if GT7 comes day 1, they might have fewer games.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on May 22, 2020, 12:25 AM
I am shocked Sony doesn't have a day 1 cross gen game like botw or Halo Infinite. It's an easy way to have a huge launch title without risking as much.

Maybe this means they have some huge next gen exclusives that could be there at launch, or maybe they're not worried about launch.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on May 22, 2020, 09:13 AM
I think it's possible for GT to be a lunch game. But what I'm expecting is this

Godfall and dark souls remake to ge launch titles.

Ratchet and clank first half of 2021

Horizon and GT second half of 2021

Possibly a japan studio game thrown into that mix. I wonder if bluepoint have had enough time to hit launch though, since they said the remake they are adding some of their own stuff to the remake. Maybe ratchet at launch and bluepoint first half of 2021
As Pi said that would be a really subpar launch and I just don't see it.

Horizon is 100% planned to be a launch title, it may end up missing and fall in March like inFAMOUS last gen but I think Sony will be really throwing everything at it to make it their next gen showstopper from the get go.

My prediction is Godfall, Bluepoint's Remake, Horizon 2 and a Japan Studio game are planned for launch. One might slip or launch December instead but that should be okay. GT7 and Insomniac's game will be the big 2021 exclusives, with something else smaller accompanying them, perhaps something from Housemarque or another 3rd party partner.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on May 24, 2020, 06:02 AM
Not worth a thread, do you think PS5 remote play will support Vita?

Is Vita truly dead?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on May 24, 2020, 11:28 AM
Not worth a thread, do you think PS5 remote play will support Vita?

Is Vita truly dead?
No, yes.
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Post by: the-pi-guy on May 31, 2020, 07:10 PM
Someone on Era is claiming PS2 and PS3 games will be playable.



Not sure if it's all games or if it's like PS2 on PS4 titles.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on May 31, 2020, 10:28 PM
Someone on Era is claiming PS2 and PS3 games will be playable.



Not sure if it's all games or if it's like PS2 on PS4 titles.
That would be pretty cool.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on May 31, 2020, 10:32 PM
That would be pretty cool.
Pretty cool is an understatement!

It'd be a killer feature.
But i'll believe it when I see it. 
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 01, 2020, 02:24 AM
(https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/m8uRUsNcZi7NVxCq5dWojW.jpeg)

/s
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Post by: Legend on Jun 01, 2020, 02:31 AM
(https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/m8uRUsNcZi7NVxCq5dWojW.jpeg)

/s
I think it needs more triangles.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Stellation_of_triakis_tetrahedron.png)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 04, 2020, 03:39 PM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/new-ps5-devkit-patents-surface-show-6-fan-cooling-solution.219525/ (https://www.resetera.com/threads/new-ps5-devkit-patents-surface-show-6-fan-cooling-solution.219525/)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Jun 04, 2020, 04:08 PM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/new-ps5-devkit-patents-surface-show-6-fan-cooling-solution.219525/ (https://www.resetera.com/threads/new-ps5-devkit-patents-surface-show-6-fan-cooling-solution.219525/)
Lots o fans.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 04, 2020, 07:58 PM
Spoiler for PS5?:
(https://is2.4chan.org/v/1590921022536.jpg)


It seems like a realistic design, but seems too convenient of a place to see one. 
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Jun 04, 2020, 08:48 PM
Spoiler for PS5?:
(https://is2.4chan.org/v/1590921022536.jpg)


It seems like a realistic design, but seems too convenient of a place to see one.  
i just read the emperor's new clothes to my son today...

...which is why i think it looks beautiful.  those colors are exquisite.  the design is so unique.  i've never seen anything better.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Jun 04, 2020, 10:01 PM
i just read the emperor's new clothes to my son today...

...which is why i think it looks beautiful.  those colors are exquisite.  the design is so unique.  i've never seen anything better.
It's more of a box than the xbox. I hope that is not what it looks like.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 05, 2020, 02:23 AM
Mod on Era talking about the PS5:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/vg24-7-epic-rewrite-i-o-subsystem-with-ps5-ssd-in-mind.218778/page-14#post-35880873 (https://www.resetera.com/threads/vg24-7-epic-rewrite-i-o-subsystem-with-ps5-ssd-in-mind.218778/page-14#post-35880873)

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There is nothing "PR" about the PS5 IO solution.

It's really, really fudgy fast.
VG24/7:Epic rewrite I/O subsystem with PS5 SSD in mind | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/vg24-7-epic-rewrite-i-o-subsystem-with-ps5-ssd-in-mind.218778/page-15#post-35885247)

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Matt said: (http://vizioneck.com/goto/post?id=35883129)    I have see it in action, first hand.

 Even if you as a consumer don't consciously realize all the ways it will improve games on many levels, the difference for devs is striking.  Click to expand... Click to shrink...  
I now sense hundreds of goal posts moving in the Force after they scrutinize your post.

 "Yes it's better for developers, but us consumers will not see any difference between XSX and PS5, if there are changes differences, it will be negligible. [img alt=
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: BananaKing on Jun 05, 2020, 01:31 PM
So apparently some leaks of the PS5 reveal happened. And somehow I managed to stay away from them. So how about we make a topic here to discuss them, with spoilers in the thread. So it's not ruined?

Personally I won't make or participate in the thread  I just dont want it spoilers for me here
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Jun 05, 2020, 03:06 PM
So apparently some leaks of the PS5 reveal happened. And somehow I managed to stay away from them. So how about we make a topic here to discuss them, with spoilers in the thread. So it's not ruined?

Personally I won't make or participate in the thread  I just dont want it spoilers for me here
I don't know of any leaks but that's a good idea if they show up.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Jun 05, 2020, 03:12 PM
i don't think anyone here wants to discuss the leaks.    there are only like 6 of us here so i feel confident i can speak for the entire forum.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 05, 2020, 03:55 PM
I've heard a leak.  But I won't share.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: BananaKing on Jun 05, 2020, 05:10 PM
Yeah don't share or make a thread specially for it please
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Jun 05, 2020, 07:20 PM
So sad we would have seen the official reveal by now if it wasn't delayed. dang the wait is excruciating.
Spoiler for PS5?:
(https://is2.4chan.org/v/1590921022536.jpg)


It seems like a realistic design, but seems too convenient of a place to see one.  
That actually looks great, I'd be happy with that.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 05, 2020, 07:32 PM
Spoiler for design above is fake proof::
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8f/09/eb/8f09ebcd1351360566587cc1e5cbf0cc.jpg)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Jun 05, 2020, 08:55 PM
Spoiler for design above is fake proof::
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8f/09/eb/8f09ebcd1351360566587cc1e5cbf0cc.jpg)

Not that this pic was needed to know it's fake, but I'm still glad to see it.

I want the PS5 to at least be interesting.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 05, 2020, 09:07 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Jun 07, 2020, 07:14 PM
Do we think the PS5 event date will be announced tomorrow?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 07, 2020, 07:20 PM
Do we think the PS5 event date will be announced tomorrow?
I'm calling it will be tomorrow.

Event will be Thursday give or take a day.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 08, 2020, 12:40 AM
This is weak justification.  And I don't think it'll really happen.  

But I think our chances of seeing BC beyond PS4 are better than we think.  

A big part of the design philosophy of the PS5 feels aimed at fixing some criticism.  

The PS5's powering and cooling system for example feels aimed at the PS4 pro fan issues.  Something that Cerny mentioned a couple of times during the talk.  He practically called themselves out about doing better here.  And from the sounds of it they went to some great lengths to do it.  

A smaller example is the battery life on the controllers.  Hard to say how big the improvement will be, but they made that note as well.  

Mark Cerny practically called out their BC issues too.  "It cant be removed with a cost down.".
I know he is being factual here, but I wonder if his bringing up that criticism of the PS3 is telling of something more.  Probably not.  This is all weak justification.  

But it's exciting to think about.  

Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Jun 08, 2020, 01:08 AM
This is weak justification.  And I don't think it'll really happen.  

But I think our chances of seeing BC beyond PS4 are better than we think.  

A big part of the design philosophy of the PS5 feels aimed at fixing some criticism.  

The PS5's powering and cooling system for example feels aimed at the PS4 pro fan issues.  Something that Cerny mentioned a couple of times during the talk.  He practically called themselves out about doing better here.  And from the sounds of it they went to some great lengths to do it.  

A smaller example is the battery life on the controllers.  Hard to say how big the improvement will be, but they made that note as well.  

Mark Cerny practically called out their BC issues too.  "It cant be removed with a cost down.".
I know he is being factual here, but I wonder if his bringing up that criticism of the PS3 is telling of something more.  Probably not.  This is all weak justification.  

But it's exciting to think about.  


I think all of that is true, but this is just marketing imo. They will talk about what they improved. Doesn't mean they managed to do everything players wanted.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 08, 2020, 04:29 PM
Playstation hasn't tweeted since the BLM tweets.  

Starting to feel like it's not happening this week.  

Should have stuck with my guts.

Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Jun 08, 2020, 04:51 PM
11th it is.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Jun 08, 2020, 05:49 PM
Hawt
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 09, 2020, 04:39 AM
Article title: "PS5 UI revealed"
In article: guy who designs stuff says "concept PS5 UI".  "It does say concept UI, so it might not be final."
"With unreal engine as it's backbone, who knows what the limits are"

Google recommends me so many trash articles.

-New articles from strange websites about stuff that was known months ago.
-clickbait titles (free game!  It's a new demo!)

Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Jun 09, 2020, 08:15 AM
Article title: "PS5 UI revealed"
In article: guy who designs stuff says "concept PS5 UI".  "It does say concept UI, so it might not be final."
"With unreal engine as it's backbone, who knows what the limits are"

Google recommends me so many trash articles.

-New articles from strange websites about stuff that was known months ago.
-clickbait titles (free game!  It's a new demo!)


Yes I get so much weird stuff too. Also, if I view the results of a football match Google will keep updating me with stories of the opposing team for weeks
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 09, 2020, 09:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmI9-l3a6FM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmI9-l3a6FM)

Anyone interested in 3D audio.  Give this a listen with headphones.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 10, 2020, 02:36 AM
It's kind of weird.

Developers making Xbox Series X games will learn to address PS5's SSD advantage, says ex-Xbox lead - VG247 (https://www.vg247.com/2020/06/08/xbox-series-x-developers-address-work-around-ps5-ssd-speed/)

The SSD really seems to be dominating the conversation.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: darkknightkryta on Jun 11, 2020, 05:31 PM
This is weak justification.  And I don't think it'll really happen. 

But I think our chances of seeing BC beyond PS4 are better than we think. 

A big part of the design philosophy of the PS5 feels aimed at fixing some criticism. 

The PS5's powering and cooling system for example feels aimed at the PS4 pro fan issues.  Something that Cerny mentioned a couple of times during the talk.  He practically called themselves out about doing better here.  And from the sounds of it they went to some great lengths to do it. 

A smaller example is the battery life on the controllers.  Hard to say how big the improvement will be, but they made that note as well. 

Mark Cerny practically called out their BC issues too.  "It cant be removed with a cost down.".
I know he is being factual here, but I wonder if his bringing up that criticism of the PS3 is telling of something more.  Probably not.  This is all weak justification. 

But it's exciting to think about. 


He did say their audio chip is like SPUs.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 11, 2020, 06:38 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: BananaKing on Jun 11, 2020, 07:22 PM

Dis guy is fire
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 13, 2020, 12:25 AM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Jun 14, 2020, 05:38 AM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Jun 16, 2020, 09:15 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 17, 2020, 03:04 AM
I'm hoping PS5 will have a UI showing next month.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Jun 18, 2020, 03:13 PM
Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales - An update from Insomniac Games - PlayStation.Blog (https://blog.playstation.com/2020/06/18/marvels-spider-man-miles-morales-an-update-from-insomniac-games/)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 09, 2020, 04:17 PM
First irl picture of a DualSense leaked? | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/first-irl-picture-of-a-dualsense-leaked.244627/)

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(https://imgur.com/JjA4rlY.jpg)

 Found by Gamer17 (https://www.resetera.com/members/27886/) on the PlayStation OT.  
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Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 09, 2020, 05:23 PM
I'm pretty sure this is just PSNow.  

 ::)


Sony Patent Suggests PS1, PS2 and PS3 Could Be Backwards Compatible Via the Cloud - IGN (https://www.ign.com/articles/sony-ps5-ps3-ps2-ps1-ps-now-backwards-compatible-patent)
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 13, 2020, 03:17 PM
Twitter (https://mobile.twitter.com/geronimo_73/status/1278378284045271044)

Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Jul 13, 2020, 03:22 PM
Twitter (https://mobile.twitter.com/geronimo_73/status/1278378284045271044)


Well we don't have to wait long to see this one proven wrong! :D
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Jul 13, 2020, 04:45 PM
I think I'll preorder at best buy. It's nicer than buying at Amazon these days.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 13, 2020, 07:35 PM
Amazon.com: PlayStation: Best Place to Play: PS5 (https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/07A20468-F527-4562-8FB4-23F8ACBCD3A8?tag=igndeals14-20&ascsubtag=4d5cb926-3541-47b5-bcc8-65860919063c)

No price. Supposedly just went up..

(pretty sure it's been up a while)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Jul 13, 2020, 07:58 PM
i won't pre-order.   no matter what i don't really care if i don't have one on day 1.     I kind of like the idea of not buying from the "first run" to be honest.  I'll buy mine at target after the initial surge of release/holiday buyers dies down enough that i can buy it just because i was at the store for other things and I saw it in stock.

seemingly the first game i will care about is rachet and clank anyways.  assuming that isn't a day-1 release i can easily wait for that game like i did for infamous second son.   i'll want that game as close to day-1 as i can however.  might even buy the rachet and clank special edition if they make one.  i really am a huuge fan of that franchise.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Jul 13, 2020, 08:13 PM
Amazon.com: PlayStation: Best Place to Play: PS5 (https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/07A20468-F527-4562-8FB4-23F8ACBCD3A8?tag=igndeals14-20&ascsubtag=4d5cb926-3541-47b5-bcc8-65860919063c)

No price. Supposedly just went up..

(pretty sure it's been up a while)
Might be a new url but I personally visited that page weeks ago.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 13, 2020, 08:59 PM
Might be a new url but I personally visited that page weeks ago.
Yeah.  
Someone said it has been up for 3 or 4 weeks.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Jul 16, 2020, 07:13 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 16, 2020, 09:39 PM
Not that this pic was needed to know it's fake, but I'm still glad to see it.

I want the PS5 to at least be interesting.
Did it reach your standard?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 16, 2020, 09:50 PM
-Price
-UI
-BC
-launch date
-Teardown

I'm guessing 3-4 of these are coming next month.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Jul 16, 2020, 10:21 PM
Did it reach your standard?
You betcha!

I love the ps5 design. Bit worried about size but design is great.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Jul 27, 2020, 05:45 AM
I like Mondays. Think we'll get any PS5 stuff?
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 27, 2020, 10:39 AM
I like Mondays. Think we'll get any PS5 stuff?
I feel this week or next would be a good time.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 27, 2020, 12:27 PM
PS5 shipments may reach at least 120 million units in next 5 years (https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20200727PD211.html)


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PS5 shipments may reach at least 120 million units in next 5 years
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 27, 2020, 01:57 PM
I think this is pretty far fetched.  

I have no idea how reliable digitimes is, just that they aren't as reliable as Bloomberg.  But Era is talking about it.

I doubt it is accurate.  Those would be insane sales, beyond Wii/PS4/PS2 levels.  It'd be closer to DS levels of sales.  


On a related topic, it kind of feels like something must have changed.  There was a bit of pessimism with the first couple Bloomberg reports, low sales expectations and high price.  

That last Bloomberg article seems like a huge change in optimism.  I know they mentioned the pandemic, but I have to wonder if there was more.  

PS5 production going better than expected, Sony wanting to push forward and cement a themselves, something else they think can drive sales.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Jul 27, 2020, 02:41 PM
The PS5's white plates are swappable, leaked pictures suggest | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-ps5s-white-plates-are-swappable-leaked-pictures-suggest.256485/)

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(https://file1.a9vg.com/data/attachment/forum/202007/27/195057mjz7wzwzpomf2joz.jpg)

 More pictures on this forum: https://bbs.a9vg.com/thread-8683081-1-1.html

 Awesome if true. I guess Black PS5 is going to be a thing even if they don't officially make one.  
I think this is pretty far fetched.  

I have no idea how reliable digitimes is, just that they aren't as reliable as Bloomberg.  But Era is talking about it.

I doubt it is accurate.  Those would be insane sales, beyond Wii/PS4/PS2 levels.  It'd be closer to DS levels of sales.  


On a related topic, it kind of feels like something must have changed.  There was a bit of pessimism with the first couple Bloomberg reports, low sales expectations and high price.  

That last Bloomberg article seems like a huge change in optimism.  I know they mentioned the pandemic, but I have to wonder if there was more.  

PS5 production going better than expected, Sony wanting to push forward and cement a themselves, something else they think can drive sales.
Could also be a human thing. Person leaking to Bloomberg could be more confident now or maybe additional leakers are giving Bloomberg a more balanced perspective.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 27, 2020, 03:16 PM


Disk drive slot in the third picture.  :

I like Mondays. Think we'll get any PS5 stuff?
In a way we already did.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Jul 27, 2020, 03:55 PM
I think this is pretty far fetched.  

I have no idea how reliable digitimes is, just that they aren't as reliable as Bloomberg.  But Era is talking about it.

I doubt it is accurate.  Those would be insane sales, beyond Wii/PS4/PS2 levels.  It'd be closer to DS levels of sales.  



On a related topic, it kind of feels like something must have changed.  There was a bit of pessimism with the first couple Bloomberg reports, low sales expectations and high price.  

That last Bloomberg article seems like a huge change in optimism.  I know they mentioned the pandemic, but I have to wonder if there was more.  

PS5 production going better than expected, Sony wanting to push forward and cement a themselves, something else they think can drive sales.
i mean, it is a projection (aka guess).    i also don't believe it.  there always seem to be some pretty wild "projections" by "market experts" at the beginning of each gen.  this is no different,.  it's almost certainly wrong.   

ps5 should do well but i see no reason to believe it will be drastically better or worse than the ps4 sales curve.   perhaps a bit more front loaded do to the pandemic but ps5 gives me no reason to believe it finding "new customers".   it will sell to basically the same customers as the ps4 did and should sell reasonably similar numbers.

The PS5's white plates are swappable, leaked pictures suggest | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-ps5s-white-plates-are-swappable-leaked-pictures-suggest.256485/)

i was already like 95% certain this was going to be true.   makes this "leak" all the more dangerous because I "want" or "expect" it to be true.   but some of sony's statements have been highly suggestive of this kind of customizability.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Jul 27, 2020, 05:16 PM
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Post by: Xevross on Jul 28, 2020, 11:53 AM
Era guys have measured sizes using the paper as A4 for reference. Estimated plate size is 38x25.6cm which is pretty much exactly what was obtained with estimates using the official images released by Sony. So looks like the console will be roughly 38x26x9cm (8892 cubic cm) compared so Series X 30.1x15.1x15.1cm (6860 cubic cm). Despite the Series X being smaller by volume, PS5 should be better for fitting into setups due to its smaller shortest dimension.
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Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on Jul 28, 2020, 01:09 PM
Any hope the controller releases early like it did with the ps4? I'm thinking ill hold off on the ps5 for awhile. Just upgraded the pc so I'm good for a long time.
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 28, 2020, 01:44 PM


Except it isn't really new.  It was talked about in the first wired interview.
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Post by: kitler53 on Jul 28, 2020, 02:05 PM


Except it isn't really new.  It was talked about in the first wired interview.
i would say "mentioned" because the details of this feature is extremely unclear to me.    ps4 has those game pages that are largely unsupported by games.   very curios to see both what is possible and how well games actually support it.
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Post by: BananaKing on Jul 28, 2020, 03:20 PM
i would say "mentioned" because the details of this feature is extremely unclear to me.    ps4 has those game pages that are largely unsupported by games.   very curios to see both what is possible and how well games actually support it.
Jumping into a killzone shadowfall multilayer match right away from the PS4 UI was amazing. It felt truly "next gen". But other games didn't support that and I forgot about it
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Jul 29, 2020, 06:42 AM
Times change

New PS4 SKU drops the disc drive (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=2231.0)
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Post by: SWORDF1SH on Jul 29, 2020, 04:14 PM
Times change

New PS4 SKU drops the disc drive (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=2231.0)
Just give me the 20,000 forum bucks and we'll call it all square
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Jul 29, 2020, 04:22 PM
Just give me the 20,000 forum bucks and we'll call it all square
Paid with interest.
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Post by: SWORDF1SH on Jul 29, 2020, 04:29 PM
Paid with interest.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Jul 29, 2020, 04:37 PM
Nothing to see here.
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 29, 2020, 05:53 PM


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Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 29, 2020, 07:22 PM
Sony had PS2 on PS3, and then PS2 on PS4 titles.  

PS2 on PS3, they did mostly between 2012 and 2014.

PS2 and PS4 they did mostly between 2015 and 2017.  

So:
+They did it for 2 different consoles.
-they stopped doing it, due to a lack of interest.
+They stopped doing it, partway to focus on PS5

Probably not.
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 31, 2020, 02:54 AM


Suggests very soony.
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Post by: Legend on Jul 31, 2020, 03:03 AM
Frontier Showcase better be frontier developments.
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 31, 2020, 02:31 PM
Will they announce it today?
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 31, 2020, 08:57 PM
I'm thinking Monday.
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Post by: Xevross on Jul 31, 2020, 10:03 PM
I'm now even more convinced TLOU2 multi will be free to play. What are the odds they announce it at state of play?
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Post by: Legend on Jul 31, 2020, 11:38 PM
I'm now even more convinced TLOU2 multi will be free to play. What are the odds they announce it at state of play?
Could it be ready day 1 for PS5? That'd be a great cross gen way to make it push next gen.


F2p makes sense imo too. Naughty Dog also pushed microtransactions with past games.
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Post by: Xevross on Jul 31, 2020, 11:43 PM
Could it be ready day 1 for PS5? That'd be a great cross gen way to make it push next gen.


F2p makes sense imo too. Naughty Dog also pushed microtransactions with past games.
Yes I think day 1 PS5 launch cross gen and f2p is the safest bet for it right now. It was less than a year ago they decided it wasn't going to make TLOU2 launch planned for Feb (5 months away from delay point). So with 5 months to launch they finally made the decision to separate it, suggesting that its in a position where it could have been launched in 5 months but they wanted longer. By November it would have been 14 months, which I think is probably plenty of time for them. Would also be a perfect counter to Halo's multiplayer.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Aug 03, 2020, 06:30 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/96KtTeQ.jpg)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Aug 03, 2020, 06:49 PM
Insider on Era Navtra (https://www.resetera.com/members/navtra.58141/) (confirmed by mods) said this in the Spidey Avengers thread:

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This is the first (second, if you count Athia) in a series of very big Sony x Square Enix collaborations. I was expecting to see them in this month's SoP, but now I'm not sure how are they getting announced.
Then said these things in the PS Studios OT:

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lol yeah. XVI is real. It was supposed to get announced in June's event. It's supposedly closer than most people would think. It has some kind of PS5 exclusivity (it was vague back then but it seems to be full timed exclusivity now). And I have no idea why they haven't announced it yet.
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I'll be very clear on this.
 
 Silent Hill is in a weird position where sometimes I suspect it was just bad info, although many credible sources confirmed its existence, I'm not sure.
 
 I can only confirm one thing: it was never on the table for June's event. XVI and Avengers's Spiderman among other things were supposed to be there and were moved last minute. Silent Hill never was.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Aug 03, 2020, 07:22 PM
https://blog.playstation.com/2020/08/03/a-friendly-neighborhood-spider-man-lends-a-helping-hand-to-earths-mightiest-heroes-in-2021/ (https://blog.playstation.com/2020/08/03/a-friendly-neighborhood-spider-man-lends-a-helping-hand-to-earths-mightiest-heroes-in-2021/)

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Spider-Man Coming to Marvel's Avengers Exclusively on PlayStation
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It's never been a better time to be a spider-fan!  The team at Crystal Dynamics, along with our partners, are overjoyed that we get to be a part of this hero's gaming journey.  We can't wait for you to add Spider-Man to your Marvel's Avengers roster in early 2021, and as we've promised before, he will be available at no additional cost to owners of the base game, exclusively on PlayStation
...unless of course you own an xbox.

i'm not sure if this really sort of thing really helps move playstation hardware/software but oh my does the other versions of this game feel gimped to not have marvel's most beloved super hero.   even though i'm a "beneficiary" of this deal it still feels slimy.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Aug 03, 2020, 07:32 PM
https://blog.playstation.com/2020/08/03/a-friendly-neighborhood-spider-man-lends-a-helping-hand-to-earths-mightiest-heroes-in-2021/ (https://blog.playstation.com/2020/08/03/a-friendly-neighborhood-spider-man-lends-a-helping-hand-to-earths-mightiest-heroes-in-2021/)



...unless of course you own an xbox.

i'm not sure if this really sort of thing really helps move playstation hardware/software but oh my does the other versions of this game feel gimped to not have marvel's most beloved super hero.   even though i'm a "beneficiary" of this deal it still feels slimy.
Yeah this feels like such a weird move from Sony. I don't really see what they gain from this at all. People on each platform are either going to buy the game or they aren't, it might persuade some people to get the PS version if they were considering others but its a post launch thing and I doubt many people will care by that point. Probably didn't cost much though, was most likely just part of the marketing deal.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Aug 03, 2020, 07:34 PM
https://blog.playstation.com/2020/08/03/a-friendly-neighborhood-spider-man-lends-a-helping-hand-to-earths-mightiest-heroes-in-2021/ (https://blog.playstation.com/2020/08/03/a-friendly-neighborhood-spider-man-lends-a-helping-hand-to-earths-mightiest-heroes-in-2021/)



...unless of course you own an xbox.

i'm not sure if this really sort of thing really helps move playstation hardware/software but oh my does the other versions of this game feel gimped to not have marvel's most beloved super hero.   even though i'm a "beneficiary" of this deal it still feels slimy.
Xbox version can have peter porker instead. Talk about upgrades.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Aug 03, 2020, 09:13 PM
Xbox version can have peter porker instead. Talk about upgrades.

i'm going to be soo angry if xbox get's spider ham and playstation does not.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Aug 04, 2020, 02:46 PM
Deathloop and Ghostwire Tokyo were both announced as regular 3rd party games, and then later on they became timed PS5 exclusives. That's pretty lame for xbox players. Would make sense for a lot of people to not want to support that.

It's dumb that spiderman is getting the most backlash as just a post launch freebie, when Sony just pulled two "Rise of the Tomb Raiders."
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: BananaKing on Aug 04, 2020, 03:56 PM
PS didn't pull two rise if the tomb raider. Ms were wording that as it was an exclusive forever. And acting as if it were.

Sony at least is saying straight out that its timed exclusive
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Aug 04, 2020, 04:16 PM
PS didn't pull two rise if the tomb raider. Ms were wording that as it was an exclusive forever. And acting as if it were.

Sony at least is saying straight out that its timed exclusive
Sony isn't hiding it which is def nice.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Aug 04, 2020, 05:10 PM
PS didn't pull two rise if the tomb raider. Ms were wording that as it was an exclusive forever. And acting as if it were.

Sony at least is saying straight out that its timed exclusive
i agree.   the lie was worse than then the deal.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Aug 04, 2020, 05:42 PM
PS didn't pull two rise if the tomb raider. Ms were wording that as it was an exclusive forever. And acting as if it were.

Sony at least is saying straight out that its timed exclusive
Yeah man I'd forgotten about all that, MS were so fudgy shady. At least Sony are always straight up about this stuff.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Aug 04, 2020, 06:20 PM
lol this is worse imo than Spiderman.

Sony announces "Even more PlayStation Advantages" for Marvel's Avengers News | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/sony-announces-even-more-playstation-advantages-for-marvels-avengers.261666/)

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From PS Blog:

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Even More PlayStation Advantages:

 We previously stated that we're huge Marvel fans, but we're also PlayStation fans. We are honored to be working with them to provide additional advantages to PlayStation players. PlayStation players will have exclusive access to certain Community Challenges, where the PlayStation Nation will work together to accomplish a goal in order to gain rewards specific to them.

 When it comes to cosmetics, PlayStation players will have 30-day exclusive access to a Legendary Outfit, Legendary Emote, Epic Takedown, and nameplate for each Super Hero as they are released - this is also for the six launch heroes. In addition, we also have rewards for those with a PlayStation Plus subscription. For each Super Hero added to the game post-launch, Hawkeye included, all PS Plus members will receive a free bundle that contains a Rare Outfit, nameplate, and 100 Credits to celebrate the addition of another Avenger to the roster. At launch, we'll have a free bundle for Ms. Marvel available for PS Plus members to embiggen our love for Kamala!

 PlayStation 4 players will be the first to play the Beta! The Beta for those who pre-ordered on PS4 will take place from August 7-9 with pre-loading available on August 6. Following that, the Open Beta for all PlayStation players will be available from August 14-16 and August 21-23. You also do not need PlayStation Plus to participate in the Beta, so all your friends are free to join! For more information on the contents of the Beta, please see our previous PS Blog.  Click to expand... Click to shrink...  
Timed exclusive dlc sucks. Just exists to make it annoying for people on the other platform.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Aug 04, 2020, 06:24 PM
Seems like Sony are doing some stuff with exclusive content for PS+ subscribers, really increasing the value of the service.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: DerNebel on Aug 04, 2020, 06:37 PM
I'd maybe be able to take this whole timed exclusive/exclusive content outrage slightly more seriously, if people weren't so dang hypocritical about all of this.

First of all people are acting like MS has abolished this when just weeks ago they announced 22 "console launch exclusives" or whatever. Reaction to that was weirdly muted, like people wanted us to rather not pay attention to that. A day before their event people were even bending over backwards on reddit to explain how "actually MS has nothing to do with Yakuza 7 on PS5 being a delayed release". But now people are acting like Sony has killed their first born by being so "ANTI CONSUMEEER", while MS is just this team of underdog saints who would never stoop to such tactics.

Secondly how many of these people now treating Sony like the Judas of games were just weeks ago happily cheering for MS buying out WB Games? When you run around salivating at the idea of your favourite platform holder buying out a publisher then you are in no position to even open your mouth about this shame. You have no problems with exclusivity you're just pissed when you're negatively affected by it.

Platform holders do exclusivity deals with third party devs because they do the job they're supposed to and that's fine. It's a way of how competition works, something people always love to scream about how it's only good for the consumer (but I guess. this doesn't count somehow). The only thing they (or rather one of them) should drop is their whole holier than thou act about how they are just totally against third party exclusives, when they are doing them anyways.

/rant
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Aug 12, 2020, 02:27 PM
Sony's turn.

New photos and impressions of the DualSense has leaked; battery capacity is 1560mA | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/new-photos-and-impressions-of-the-dualsense-has-leaked-battery-capacity-is-1560ma.266802/)

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Update: I've converted all the tweets to pictures given the account will probably be banned soon.

 Link to original tweet:
https://twitter.com/Galaxyrain666/status/1293459335658364933

   
   
   
   

   
   
   
   
    
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Aug 12, 2020, 02:47 PM
Sony's turn.

New photos and impressions of the DualSense has leaked; battery capacity is 1560mA | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/new-photos-and-impressions-of-the-dualsense-has-leaked-battery-capacity-is-1560ma.266802/)

maybe it is just the grainy picture but the left analog stick already looks worn...
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Aug 12, 2020, 03:05 PM
Sony's turn.

New photos and impressions of the DualSense has leaked; battery capacity is 1560mA | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/new-photos-and-impressions-of-the-dualsense-has-leaked-battery-capacity-is-1560ma.266802/)

Man the Dualsense looks and sounds amazing. I can't wait to use that thing.

maybe it is just the grainy picture but the left analog stick already looks worn...
I think its the lighting/ dust or something on the stick. Doesn't look like wear to me.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Aug 12, 2020, 03:22 PM
I think its the lighting/ dust or something on the stick. Doesn't look like wear to me.
even better,.. the ps5 isn't even out yet and it's already collecting dust..
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 12, 2020, 03:27 PM
even better,.. the ps5 isn't even out yet and it's already collecting dust..
Even better, the system comes pre-layered with dust for an authentic hasnt-been-played look.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Aug 13, 2020, 11:58 AM
Another angle on PS5 price from the fiscal report:

(https://i.imgur.com/FmrJPRu.png)

Sony made 50bn Yen more profit than Q1 last fiscal year but expect to make the same total profit for the full year, so they expect 50bn Yen (or about $470M) less profit for the remainder of this fiscal year. That's despite a big expected gain in PS+ subs and a stronger looking holiday lineup of titles from third parties this year.  Also in that period for FY2019, Death Stranding was the only relatively big game published by Sony. Compare that to the period coming this year with TLOU2 legs, Ghost of Tsushima, Spider-Man MM and probably a couple more bigger titles before April 2021 that we don't know about yet. You can see Sony state an expected operating income increase due to software, so this all makes sense.
 
 The logical conclusion is that Sony are taking a $500M+ hit on hardware sales this fiscal year. On 10M consoles that would be $50+ loss per console, about the same as PS4. No way PS5 is more than $500 if that's anywhere close to being right.

As I analysed before, if $450 BOM is right then Sony would make a ~$30 loss on PS5 at $499 and $110 on PS5d at $399. If they sell equal amounts than an average $70 loss and I think everyone expects the disc version to sell more at launch, so a $50 average loss doesn't seem too far off, and that's probably a minimum estimate.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Aug 13, 2020, 01:46 PM
Another angle on PS5 price from the fiscal report:

(https://i.imgur.com/FmrJPRu.png)

Sony made 50bn Yen more profit than Q1 last fiscal year but expect to make the same total profit for the full year, so they expect 50bn Yen (or about $470M) less profit for the remainder of this fiscal year. That's despite a big expected gain in PS+ subs and a stronger looking holiday lineup of titles from third parties this year.  Also in that period for FY2019, Death Stranding was the only relatively big game published by Sony. Compare that to the period coming this year with TLOU2 legs, Ghost of Tsushima, Spider-Man MM and probably a couple more bigger titles before April 2021 that we don't know about yet. You can see Sony state an expected operating income increase due to software, so this all makes sense.
 
 The logical conclusion is that Sony are taking a $500M+ hit on hardware sales this fiscal year. On 10M consoles that would be $50+ loss per console, about the same as PS4. No way PS5 is more than $500 if that's anywhere close to being right.

As I analysed before, if $450 BOM is right then Sony would make a ~$30 loss on PS5 at $499 and $110 on PS5d at $399. If they sell equal amounts than an average $70 loss and I think everyone expects the disc version to sell more at launch, so a $50 average loss doesn't seem too far off, and that's probably a minimum estimate.
What about marketing?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Aug 13, 2020, 02:50 PM
What about marketing?
I doubt that marketing budget will change dramatically, they still constantly advertised PS4 and its games, that just switches over to PS5 now. Maybe there's a bit more of a push but its not huge.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Aug 13, 2020, 04:28 PM
I doubt that marketing budget will change dramatically, they still constantly advertised PS4 and its games, that just switches over to PS5 now. Maybe there's a bit more of a push but its not huge.
as an insider i can confirm sony is increasing their marketing budget by $500M.   Sony knows this sort of marketing commitment is required in order to sell their $600 next gen hardware..
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Aug 13, 2020, 04:33 PM
as an insider i can confirm sony is increasing their marketing budget by $500M.   Sony knows this sort of marketing commitment is required in order to sell their $600 next gen hardware..
Lol what a crazy strategy that would be.

So lets not also forget that its a minimum of $500M also as Sony clearly state they expect operating income to increase due to increased software and PS+, which also seems like a logical expectation of increased operating income as well. Should be more like $600M+ going missing easily. Could have a marketing increase of $100M+ and still be taking the $500M hit somewhere.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: DerNebel on Aug 13, 2020, 09:12 PM
Man there sure is a growing group of people on resetera who are just desperately hoping for Sony to fudge up with the PS5.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 13, 2020, 09:14 PM
Man there sure is a growing group of people on resetera who are just desperately hoping for Sony to fudge up with the PS5.
Certainly helps when a former mod was starting fan boy flames.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: DerNebel on Aug 13, 2020, 09:32 PM
Certainly helps when a former mod was starting fan boy flames.
Who used to be a mod?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 13, 2020, 09:48 PM
Who used to be a mod?
Aesthetic gamer/Dusk Golem (https://www.resetera.com/threads/rumor-aestheticgamer1-says-hes-heard-from-developers-that-the-ps5-struggles-with-4k-games-in-particular-says-to-to-expect-a-lot-of-fake-4k.267489/)

RE8 runs perfectly on XSX, struggling with 1080p60 on PS5 (https://www.resetera.com/threads/dusk-golem-re8-currently-struggling-to-reach-stable-1080p-60-on-ps5-xsx-runs-perfectly-at-4k60.264930/)

Was also claiming that the XSX was going to be cheaper than PS5.  

I'm guessing I mistyped something or a magic bot messed up what I typed.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: DerNebel on Aug 14, 2020, 06:22 AM
Aesthetic gamer/Dusk Golem (https://www.resetera.com/threads/rumor-aestheticgamer1-says-hes-heard-from-developers-that-the-ps5-struggles-with-4k-games-in-particular-says-to-to-expect-a-lot-of-fake-4k.267489/)

RE8 runs perfectly on XSX, struggling with 1080p60 on PS5 (https://www.resetera.com/threads/dusk-golem-re8-currently-struggling-to-reach-stable-1080p-60-on-ps5-xsx-runs-perfectly-at-4k60.264930/)

Was also claiming that the XSX was going to be cheaper than PS5.  

I'm guessing I mistyped something or a magic bot messed up what I typed.  
Oh didn't know he used to be a mod.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Aug 14, 2020, 10:13 AM
Some great posts from Matt in that thread:

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Where did people get the idea that Sony just overclocked the GPU on its own instead of, you know, design a whole system around these speeds?
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So...from nowhere?
 
 Like, it's insane to think these clocks were some sort of last minute thing. The entire system has a clear design philosophy based around speed. The system is significantly more expensive and complicated to build in pursuit of this vision. It has required a lot of careful engineering and planning.
 
 If these clocks were worthless, why would they do that?
 
 You are choosing to believe a ridiculous premise based on...nothing.
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...That's what the system is designed to do. That hasn't be hidden. The system has set power draw limits. To work under those limits, under higher workloads the GPU, CPU, or both might down-clock. These downclocks are not hundreds of MHz, very small reductions in speed give a lot back in power.
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Yes, they are variable to get MORE performance out the the hardware, not less. I've said this before, but if the SX could magically run at variable rates with all else being equal, that would create a stronger system, not a weaker one.
 
 The quote is about not taking advantage of the variable clocks. You can tell the system to run at max in development to run at max all the time and it will, but that's not going to give you the best possible performance. That's why it's not encouraged.
The thread continues to be a mess though, its so wild the mods haven't locked it. Meanwhile this thread was locked quickly: Why are there so many false and misleading rumors surrounding PlayStation 5? | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-are-there-so-many-false-and-misleading-rumors-surrounding-playstation-5.267666/)

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A summary of rumors dating back to 2019
  • PS5 lacks hardware accelerated ray tracing; Ray casting audio support only
  • PS5 will have virtually no launch games; Series X will have an abundance of AAA games from the get-go
  • PS5's GPU is based on RDNA -1, developed by Roblox user xXAiden-x2005Xx while on work experience at Sony HQ. Bosses ran with the idea because lack of funds
  • Cerny boosted the clocks in a last ditch response to Xbox. PS5 is secretly a 9 TFlop machine.
  • PS5 is having fabrication difficulties; not enough units at launch
  • PS5 BoM is rising beyond control. Might cost upward of $600. Riiidge Racer!
  • PS5 is overheating, continually crashing, and engineers are scrambling to fix the problem
  • PS5 is hard to develop for, almost PS3 levels of incompetence
  • PS5 has trouble reaching native 4K for anything more complicated than Frogger and Pong, developers might settle for 1080p
That's only a fraction of it. So much FUD. What's going on Era. Are launches normally like this? Why is PS5 by far the largest target of nonsense?  
and people got bans for saying stuff like
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I've found it interesting that none of these FUD rumours have really occurred for the Series X.
 
 It's as if a particular base of people have been working overtime to try and tear-down the more popular/successful brand.
which is basically just true.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Aug 14, 2020, 01:45 PM
Some great posts from Matt in that thread:

The thread continues to be a mess though, its so wild the mods haven't locked it. Meanwhile this thread was locked quickly: Why are there so many false and misleading rumors surrounding PlayStation 5? | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-are-there-so-many-false-and-misleading-rumors-surrounding-playstation-5.267666/)
 

and people got bans for saying stuff likewhich is basically just true.
Wow when the rumors are summed up like that...
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 14, 2020, 02:41 PM


Best way to end the console war is throwing more fire in it.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Aug 14, 2020, 03:54 PM
Year old thread talking about this insider.

Dusk Golem's Reliability : residentevil (https://www.reddit.com/r/residentevil/comments/b61m9o/dusk_golems_reliability/)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 14, 2020, 06:48 PM
Analysis : Why does Sony's Operating Profit forecast indicate PS5 will probably cost less than $499 ? | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/analysis-why-does-sonys-operating-profit-forecast-indicate-ps5-will-probably-cost-less-than-499.268251/)

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It will be a long read guys ;)

Informations before we start :
  • Q1 = April-June / Q2 = July-Sept / Q3 = Oct-Dec / Q4 = Jan-March
  • PS5 = PS5 standard / PS5 DE = PS5 Digital Edition
  • PS4 sold 4.5m units during Q3 FY13 (Oct-Dec) and 3.1m during Q4 FY13 (Jan-March 2014)
  • PS4 BOM according to research firm IHS was $372 (https://www.engadget.com/2013-11-19-ps4-costs-381-to-make-according-to-hardware-teardown.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAA2RdWB73PbBJZXmafUYwYb9w1S9_Sl6M9ptZl-OIAcuYZvNUMVc5vZP-Tg4sI5hkzZ9X1h98CnjVoHe_Bd7YgWbYUT7KHTuI4vkccaphhtTT-VPDm-MEcnK6fDVo-4xVTshRKcNJxYbSoRBW58_16b1IkFuzTkOSp0wijMovGR2), and higher at $381 once per-unit cost of assembly included
  • PS4 was sold at $399 and was sold at a loss at first, probably between $40-60, easily offset by the purchase of a game & PS+ (https://www.cnet.com/news/playstation-4-to-sell-at-a-loss-but-sony-expects-profit/)
  • We assume here that WSJ (Wall Street Journal), Nikkei and Bloomberg are right with their various reports about PS5
    • PS5 BOM (Bill of Materials) would be around $450 per unit (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-14/sony-is-struggling-with-playstation-5-price-due-to-costly-parts)
    • Sony reportedly increasing PS5 production to 10m units by March 2021 (https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2020-07-15-sony-reportedly-increasing-ps5-production-to-10m-units-by-2021) (end of Q4 FY20), up from 6m previously reported (https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2020-04-16-sony-reportedly-limiting-ps5-launch-window-to-6m-units)
So with a cost of $381 for Sony's PS4, we can add around $50-60 for additional expenses (inventory, distribution, transport, etc...) if PS4 was sold at a loss at around $40-60
 If we follow the same path for PS5, we would add $10 for the cost of assembly with a total of $460 and then $55 for the additional expenses
 --> PS5 total cost would be around $515
 --> PS5 DE total cost would be around $487 ($515 minus $28 for optical drive)


 Now look at the table below, for each quarter, there are some colors (think traffic light) :
  • Red : Biggest number ever for that quarter
  • Orange : 2nd biggest number ever for that quarter
  • Green : 3rd biggest number ever for that quarter
  • Blue is my own predictions for this current fiscal year
As you can see, for Revenue and Operating Profit, PlayStation saw its 3 biggest results for each quarter during PS4 generation
 (except few ones)

 You can also see that during Q3 FY13 (PS4 release), PlayStation saw ¥12.4bn Profit and the next quarter, ¥10.7bn Loss

For FY2020, Sony expects ¥2500bn Revenue and ¥240bn Op. Profit

Disclaimer : If you add up Q1+Q2+Q3+Q4 Revenue fo FY2020, you won't have ¥2500bn Revenue but ¥2464bn, I probably underestimated my Q2 Revenue forecast

  (https://i.imgur.com/9YJDa7P.png)

I will focus this analysis on Profits, but will talk about Revenue a bit too when it's relevant.
 I will also explain quarters from previous years to put these into context and to explain why I chose my estimates !

 Of course, I will skip Q1 Results because we already had these results some time ago.

Q2 FY20 (July-Sept) :
Q2 FY18 had ¥90.6bn Profit, biggest profit ever for PlayStation during Q2
 It had Fortnite + Spider-Man and major releases like Tomb Raider (and annual sports titles)

Q2 FY19 reached ¥65bn Profit with a weaker line up and without first party games
 It had Control, MH Iceborne, Man of Medan and Borderlands 3 (+ annual sports titles)

Q2 FY20 will have TLOU Part II spillovers + Ghost of Tsushima success + HZD on PC
 + major releases like Tony Hawk and Avengers (+ annual sports titles)
 + strong F2P (Fortnite, Warzone) and the launch of Hyper Scape

 Here is a list of games released during Q2 in previous years
Red titles = first-party titles or major releases
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(https://i.imgur.com/064Kfn0.png)  Click to expand... Click to shrink...  
I also expect bigger Revenue from PS Store year-on-year due to :
  • Digital growth (compared to last year)
  • COVID (from countries with still partial lockdown, people who buys more digital now because they changed their habits)
  • Bigger F2P spendings (Warzone was not there last year for example, Fortnite is stronger than last year (Epic expect bigger Revenue this year))
  • Less people on vacation this summer combined with huge back-catalog available for cheap on PS Store with regular sales
Bigger Revenue from Services too due to record numbers of PS+ subs + growth of PS Now subs too
 Previous quarter (Q1 FY20) saw +$100M Revenue year on year and I expect the same this Q2 FY20 due to strong PS+ line up in July/Aug.
 And I said strong PS+ line-up because they had record user engagement on social media during their announcements (NBA 2K20/Tomb Raider and MW2 Remastered/Fall Guys), PS+ subs will likely go up quarter-on-quarter and obviously year-on-year.

 Here is a table where you can see my Revenue forecast for Q2, it will be, without a doubt, bigger than last year
I expect Software and Services to represent 83% of total PlayStation Revenue during this quarter, where margins are better and therefore better profits (vs Hardware revenue)

  (https://i.imgur.com/AY7flgh.png)

 If Q2 FY19 without first-party games, without Warzone, with a weaker Fortnite (than this year) and an equivalent slate of third-party releases, reached ¥65bn Profits.
 Well Q2 FY20 with all the above-mentioned reasons, makes me think Profits will be better this year.

 That would give +¥9bn (+$95M) in Profits year-on-year for a growth in Software/Services Revenue of ¥55.1bn ($540M)
 So an operating margin of 16.33% which would be realistic given first-party releases this quarter (Ghost/TLOU2)

 For the total results of Q2 FY20, ¥473bn Revenue and ¥74bn Profits would give an operating margin of 15.6%
 It was 16.5% in Q2 FY18 (thanks to huge Spider-Man success) and 14.3% in Q2 FY19, still a good operating margin but less than Q2 FY18 due to the lack of first party titles (which are highly profitable)

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 Now, we have Q1 results (from their financial results that you can find in this thread (https://www.resetera.com/threads/sony-q1-fy2020-april-june-results-ps4-1-9m-ltd-112-3m-best-quarter-ever-for-playstation-strong-fy20-fct-23-4b-revenue-2-24b-profit.261453/)) + we have just done Q2 forecast
 I remind that Sony expect ¥240bn Profits this fiscal year.

 Q1 Profits saw ¥124bn and Q2 Profits would reach ¥74bn = ¥198bn Profits
So at this point, Sony expects only ¥42bn ($393M) Profits for Q3 and Q4 combined

 I repost the same table to avoid you to scroll up/down to see the numbers !

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  (https://i.imgur.com/9YJDa7P.png)

Now Q3 FY20 (Oct-Dec) :
 We will start with Q3 FY13 (PS4 release), surprisingly Sony had ¥12.4bn Profit thanks to PS4 release
 The amount of games & PS+ subs sold managed to offset the loss for each PS4
 Profit also came from cost reductions (PS3)

Q3 FY17 had ¥85.4bn Profit, biggest profit ever for PlayStation during Q3
 Explained by big increase for sales on PS Store (+43% year on year) with the release of Fortnite Battle Royale + increase in software units sales + GT Sport release
 Combined with huge PS4 sales + big increase in Services revenue (+35%, to reach $600m for that quarter)

Q3 FY18 had ¥73.1bn Profit, decrease but still the 3rd biggest Profit ever for PlayStation during Q3
 The decrease is explained by PS4 lower sales (8.1m this Q3 vs 9.0m in Q3 FY17) and promotional prices during Holiday season.
 Despite really bigger spends on Store (+52% to reach $3.13B, 2nd biggest spending ever during a quarter on Store behind record Q1 FY20) + bigger revenue from Services (+$100M year-on-year) + Spider-Man keep selling

Q3 FY19 had ¥53.5bn Profit, big decrease due to no Spider-Man and Death Stranding not having the effect Sony expected (as stated in their financials) + big decrease in PS4 sales revenue (6.0m units this Q3 vs 8.1m previous year) and a weaker line up of third party games (compared to AC Odyssey/RDR2/Black Ops 4/Battlefield 5 in 2018)

Q3 FY20 will have the one the strongest Q3 line-up this generation combined with the huge install base of PS4 and PS5 backward compatibility
 FIFA is now a Q3 release, unlike previous years
 Crash 4 will likely perform very well on PS4 and is bigger than 2019's releases like GR Breakpoint / The Outer Worlds / NFS Heat / Death Stranding
 + likely strong performance of Watch Dogs Legion and AC Valhalla
 + one of the biggest release of the year, Cyberpunk 2077 which will probably make a good part of its initial sales on PS4 (like The Witcher 3)
 + COD 2020 release

 Here is a list of games released during Q2 in previous years
Red titles = first-party titles or major releases
Quote
(https://i.imgur.com/rTIdBKw.png)  Click to expand... Click to shrink...  
For Q3 FY20 estimate, we know that PS5 will have Miles Morales at launch
 A game that will be highly profitable, being a first party game

 We will assume a $399 for PS5 DE/$449 for PS5 and that it will sell as good as PS4, so 4.5m units
We will now do 2 hypotheses, one with PS5 costing $487/$515 to Sony like I said at the start of the OP and one with PS5 costing $472/$500

 Afterwards, another 2 hypotheses with PS5 costing $487/$515 to Sony but one with $449/499 retail price, the other with $499/549
 The optical drive would cost about $28 in this hypothesis

Hypothesis 1 : $487/$515 cost for Sony with a retail price of $399/$449
 So it would be a $66 net loss for each PS5 sold and $88 loss for each PS5 DE
 We will assume that 20% of PS5 sold are PS5 DE so 80% is PS5 Standard (and then 40%/60% for the high range)

20%/80% : (3.6m PS5 x $66) + (0.9m PS5 DE x $87) = $238M + $79M = 317M loss
40%/60% : 178M + 157M = 335M loss

Hypothesis 2 : $472/$500 cost for Sony with a retail price of $399/$449
 So it would be a $51 net loss for each PS5 sold and $73 loss for each PS5 DE
 We will assume that 20% of PS5 sold are PS5 DE so 80% is PS5 Standard (and then 40%/60% for the high range)

20%/80% : (3.6m PS5 x $51) + (0.9m PS5 DE x $73) = $184M + $66M = 250M loss
40%.60% : 138M + 131M = 269M loss

Hypothesis 3 : $487/$515 cost for Sony but with a retail price of $449/$499
 So it would be a $16 net loss for each PS5 sold and $38 loss for each PS5 DE
 We will assume that 20% of PS5 sold are PS5 DE so 80% is PS5 Standard (and then 40%/60% for the high range)

20%/80% : (3.6m PS5 x $16) + (0.9m PS5 DE x $38) = $57.6M + $34M = 92M loss
40%.60% : 43M + 34M = 77M loss

Hypothesis 4 : $487/$515 cost for Sony but with a retail price of $499/$549
 So Sony would gain $34 for each PS5 sold and $12 for each PS5 DE sold
 We will assume that 20% of PS5 sold are PS5 DE so 80% is PS5 Standard (and then 40%/60% for the high range)

20%/80% : (3.6m PS5 x $34) + (0.9m PS5 DE x $12) = $122M + $11M = $133M profits
40%.60% : 92M + 11M = 103M profits

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 Before I continue, just take a look at the Network Revenue (FY13/18/19 + my estimates for FY20)
Like before, Red means biggest number but for any quarter, Orange is 2nd biggest and Green is 3rd biggest
  (https://i.imgur.com/aenUjFh.png)

 With only ¥50bn Network Revenue in Q3 FY13 (PS4 release), Sony managed to have ¥12.4bn Profit during that quarter
 And now, during Q3 FY18/19, there are more than ¥390bn Network Revenue, coming from PS Store and PS+/Now
 It's almost 8x the Revenue of Q3 FY13

 I estimated ¥435bn Network Revenue for Q3 FY20 which would be 8.7x Q3 FY13 Network Revenue
 That would also be the 2nd biggest Network Revenue during any quarter
 (4-5m PS+ subs in Q3 FY13 vs probably 47m+ PS+/Now subs in Q3 FY20)

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 I repost the same table to avoid you to scroll up/down to see the numbers !
  (https://i.imgur.com/9YJDa7P.png)

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 Even with a weak Q3 (like Q3 FY19), Sony still posted ¥53.5bn Profit ($491M)
 This Q3 FY20 has a lot more of major third party releases + highly profitable and probably successful first party (Miles Morales) compared to last Q3 (FY19) and next-gen releases should boost spending on PS Store compared to last Q3

 Even if Hardware Revenue will increase the overall Revenue from the entire PlayStation division,
(I expect biggest Revenue ever during any quarter for any platform holder with about ¥865bn/$8.08B)
Software & Services Revenue should increase too year-on-year thanks to bigger line-up of third party releases + first-party release + next-gen boost

  (https://i.imgur.com/53XCnkd.png)

 If we sum up :
  • Big releases planned for Q2 went to Q3 (FIFA/Cyberpunk)
  • Bigger releases planned this Q3 (for Sony and publishers)
  • Bigger Revenue from Software year-on-year due to bigger line up overall
  • Bigger Revenue from Services year-on-year
  • Those Network Revenue (PS Store + Services) are 8x higher than the same quarter in 2013

 All guesses pointed to a better Revenue for this Q3 than Q3 FY19 but also better profits ! (so minimum ¥53.5bn like Q3FY19)
 My forecast would have been ¥70-75bn Profits (if there wasn't any loss due to the launch of a new console)

 But I remind you that Sony expects only ¥42bn ($393M) Profits for Q3 and Q4 combined

 If we take into account an expected loss of about $317-335M (¥34-36bn) due to PS5 launch (for $399/$449 retail price)
 My forecast of ¥70bn Profits would go down to about ¥34-36bn Profits for Q3 FY20

In the table, I forecast ¥29bn Profits to not exceed the ¥240bn Profits Sony forecasted for the fiscal year !

 --------------------------------------------------------------------

 I repost the same table to avoid you to scroll up/down to see the numbers !
  (https://i.imgur.com/9YJDa7P.png)

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Now Q4 FY20 (Jan-Mar 2021) :
Q4 FY13 (Jan-Mar 2014) saw ¥10.7bn Loss despite huge PS4 sales (3.0 units) with about 5.7m PS+ subs
 That loss shows how weak was PS3 software wise and how low PlayStation Network spendings were
 Take a look at the table below to see the Network Revenue during Q4 FY13 (only ¥70bn)
 And compare that Network Revenue to PSN nowadays (5x higher now)

  (https://i.imgur.com/cYJ1eIa.png)

Q4 FY18 (Jan-Mar 2019) posted ¥63.9bn Profit, biggest profit ever for PlayStation during Q4
 Explained by Fortnite and big releases (AC7, KH3, RE2 Remake, Far Cry New Dawn, Anthem, Sekiro, The Division 2, Metro Exodus) + Apex Legends release

Q4 FY19 (Jan-Mar 2020) posted ¥46.2bn Profit, 2nd biggest profit ever for PlayStation during Q4
 Explained by Fortnite/Apex + Warzone release + big Q3 releases keep selling (MW/Jedi Fallen Order) + some major releases despite being weaker (DBZ Kakarot, Nioh 2, KH3 Re Mind, Dreams, Doom Eternal, MW2 Remastered)
 But especially major spending on Store due to lockdowns (almost flat from Q4 FY18 despite way weaker line-up of games)

Q4 FY20 (Jan-March 2021)
 With a probably big 1st party game planned for that quarter + PSN stronger than ever (Store + Services) + strong PS4 game sales + PS5 games sales, unlike Q4 FY13, Q4 FY20 will be likely profitable (a forecast of ¥35-45bn Profits would have been realistic)

 We will assume 3.0m PS5 units sold with the same loss than Hypothesis 1
 That would give $211-223M loss (¥22.6-23.9bn)

 Overall, Q4 Profits would be ¥11-21bn ($103-196M)
--> In the table, I put ¥13bn for Q4 Profits forecast


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 In conclusion, I think I showed why, in my opinion, Operating Profit forecast from Sony definitely hints to a price at less than $499.

 You can't have the biggest Revenue ever during any quarter (Q3 FY20), of course inflated by Hardware revenue boost but also with Software & Services Revenue this high (as previously explained/shown) and having not this much profits, especially when you have a major first party planned for launch !

 You can't have a record breaking Q1 FY20 with more than ¥124bn Profits ($1.152B) and forecast "only" ¥240bn for the the entire fiscal year when you will post some great profits during Q2 following TLOU Part II/Ghost success, as well as HZD PC release

 Q2+Q3+Q4 FY19 Profits reached ¥164.6bn ($1.52B)
 Q2+Q3+Q4 FY20 Profits would be ¥116bn ($1.08B) with a better/bigger line-up of first party games, third party games and stronger F2P ?

 The only explanation for only ¥240bn (2.24B) Profits is because Sony expect some loss with PS5 launch, and the loss will come from Hardware.
A price under $499 would explain why they expect only ¥240bn ($2.24B) Profits and not ¥300bn+ ($2.80B+)  
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Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Aug 14, 2020, 07:35 PM
Analysis : Why does Sony's Operating Profit forecast indicate PS5 will probably cost less than $499 ? | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/analysis-why-does-sonys-operating-profit-forecast-indicate-ps5-will-probably-cost-less-than-499.268251/)
Oh hell yes, I love ArmGunar when he does this. Basically same as I do but way more rigorous.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Aug 14, 2020, 11:47 PM
Analysis : Why does Sony's Operating Profit forecast indicate PS5 will probably cost less than $499 ? | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/analysis-why-does-sonys-operating-profit-forecast-indicate-ps5-will-probably-cost-less-than-499.268251/)
I also expect bigger Revenue from PS Store year-on-year due to :

  • Digital growth (compared to last year)
  • COVID (from countries with still partial lockdown, people who buys more digital now because they changed their habits)
  • Bigger F2P spendings (Warzone was not there last year for example, Fortnite is stronger than last year (Epic expect bigger Revenue this year))
  • Less people on vacation this summer combined with huge back-catalog available for cheap on PS Store with regular sales

Bigger Revenue from Services too due to record numbers of PS+ subs + growth of PS Now subs too
 Previous quarter (Q1 FY20) saw +$100M Revenue year on year and I expect the same this Q2 FY20 due to strong PS+ line up in July/Aug.
 And I said strong PS+ line-up because they had record user engagement on social media during their announcements (NBA 2K20/Tomb Raider and MW2 Remastered/Fall Guys), PS+ subs will likely go up quarter-on-quarter and obviously year-on-year.

 Here is a table where you can see my Revenue forecast for Q2, it will be, without a doubt, bigger than last year
I expect Software and Services to represent 83% of total PlayStation Revenue during this quarter, where margins are better and therefore better profits (vs Hardware revenue)

  (https://i.imgur.com/AY7flgh.png)

 If Q2 FY19 without first-party games, without Warzone, with a weaker Fortnite (than this year) and an equivalent slate of third-party releases, reached ¥65bn Profits.
 Well Q2 FY20 with all the above-mentioned reasons, makes me think Profits will be better this year.

 That would give +¥9bn (+$95M) in Profits year-on-year for a growth in Software/Services Revenue of ¥55.1bn ($540M)
 So an operating margin of 16.33% which would be realistic given first-party releases this quarter (Ghost/TLOU2)

 For the total results of Q2 FY20, ¥473bn Revenue and ¥74bn Profits would give an operating margin of 15.6%
 It was 16.5% in Q2 FY18 (thanks to huge Spider-Man success) and 14.3% in Q2 FY19, still a good operating margin but less than Q2 FY18 due to the lack of first party titles (which are highly profitable)

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 Now, we have Q1 results (from their financial results that you can find in this thread (https://www.resetera.com/threads/sony-q1-fy2020-april-june-results-ps4-1-9m-ltd-112-3m-best-quarter-ever-for-playstation-strong-fy20-fct-23-4b-revenue-2-24b-profit.261453/)) + we have just done Q2 forecast
 I remind that Sony expect ¥240bn Profits this fiscal year.

 Q1 Profits saw ¥124bn and Q2 Profits would reach ¥74bn = ¥198bn Profits
So at this point, Sony expects only ¥42bn ($393M) Profits for Q3 and Q4 combined

 I repost the same table to avoid you to scroll up/down to see the numbers !

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  (https://i.imgur.com/9YJDa7P.png)

Now Q3 FY20 (Oct-Dec) :
 We will start with Q3 FY13 (PS4 release), surprisingly Sony had ¥12.4bn Profit thanks to PS4 release
 The amount of games & PS+ subs sold managed to offset the loss for each PS4
 Profit also came from cost reductions (PS3)

Q3 FY17 had ¥85.4bn Profit, biggest profit ever for PlayStation during Q3
 Explained by big increase for sales on PS Store (+43% year on year) with the release of Fortnite Battle Royale + increase in software units sales + GT Sport release
 Combined with huge PS4 sales + big increase in Services revenue (+35%, to reach $600m for that quarter)

Q3 FY18 had ¥73.1bn Profit, decrease but still the 3rd biggest Profit ever for PlayStation during Q3
 The decrease is explained by PS4 lower sales (8.1m this Q3 vs 9.0m in Q3 FY17) and promotional prices during Holiday season.
 Despite really bigger spends on Store (+52% to reach $3.13B, 2nd biggest spending ever during a quarter on Store behind record Q1 FY20) + bigger revenue from Services (+$100M year-on-year) + Spider-Man keep selling

Q3 FY19 had ¥53.5bn Profit, big decrease due to no Spider-Man and Death Stranding not having the effect Sony expected (as stated in their financials) + big decrease in PS4 sales revenue (6.0m units this Q3 vs 8.1m previous year) and a weaker line up of third party games (compared to AC Odyssey/RDR2/Black Ops 4/Battlefield 5 in 2018)

Q3 FY20 will have the one the strongest Q3 line-up this generation combined with the huge install base of PS4 and PS5 backward compatibility
 FIFA is now a Q3 release, unlike previous years
 Crash 4 will likely perform very well on PS4 and is bigger than 2019's releases like GR Breakpoint / The Outer Worlds / NFS Heat / Death Stranding
 + likely strong performance of Watch Dogs Legion and AC Valhalla
 + one of the biggest release of the year, Cyberpunk 2077 which will probably make a good part of its initial sales on PS4 (like The Witcher 3)
 + COD 2020 release

 Here is a list of games released during Q2 in previous years
Red titles = first-party titles or major releasesFor Q3 FY20 estimate, we know that PS5 will have Miles Morales at launch
 A game that will be highly profitable, being a first party game

 We will assume a $399 for PS5 DE/$449 for PS5 and that it will sell as good as PS4, so 4.5m units
We will now do 2 hypotheses, one with PS5 costing $487/$515 to Sony like I said at the start of the OP and one with PS5 costing $472/$500

 Afterwards, another 2 hypotheses with PS5 costing $487/$515 to Sony but one with $449/499 retail price, the other with $499/549
 The optical drive would cost about $28 in this hypothesis

Hypothesis 1 : $487/$515 cost for Sony with a retail price of $399/$449
 So it would be a $66 net loss for each PS5 sold and $88 loss for each PS5 DE
 We will assume that 20% of PS5 sold are PS5 DE so 80% is PS5 Standard (and then 40%/60% for the high range)

20%/80% : (3.6m PS5 x $66) + (0.9m PS5 DE x $87) = $238M + $79M = 317M loss
40%/60% : 178M + 157M = 335M loss

Hypothesis 2 : $472/$500 cost for Sony with a retail price of $399/$449
 So it would be a $51 net loss for each PS5 sold and $73 loss for each PS5 DE
 We will assume that 20% of PS5 sold are PS5 DE so 80% is PS5 Standard (and then 40%/60% for the high range)

20%/80% : (3.6m PS5 x $51) + (0.9m PS5 DE x $73) = $184M + $66M = 250M loss
40%.60% : 138M + 131M = 269M loss

Hypothesis 3 : $487/$515 cost for Sony but with a retail price of $449/$499
 So it would be a $16 net loss for each PS5 sold and $38 loss for each PS5 DE
 We will assume that 20% of PS5 sold are PS5 DE so 80% is PS5 Standard (and then 40%/60% for the high range)

20%/80% : (3.6m PS5 x $16) + (0.9m PS5 DE x $38) = $57.6M + $34M = 92M loss
40%.60% : 43M + 34M = 77M loss

Hypothesis 4 : $487/$515 cost for Sony but with a retail price of $499/$549
 So Sony would gain $34 for each PS5 sold and $12 for each PS5 DE sold
 We will assume that 20% of PS5 sold are PS5 DE so 80% is PS5 Standard (and then 40%/60% for the high range)

20%/80% : (3.6m PS5 x $34) + (0.9m PS5 DE x $12) = $122M + $11M = $133M profits
40%.60% : 92M + 11M = 103M profits

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 Before I continue, just take a look at the Network Revenue (FY13/18/19 + my estimates for FY20)
Like before, Red means biggest number but for any quarter, Orange is 2nd biggest and Green is 3rd biggest
  (https://i.imgur.com/aenUjFh.png)

 With only ¥50bn Network Revenue in Q3 FY13 (PS4 release), Sony managed to have ¥12.4bn Profit during that quarter
 And now, during Q3 FY18/19, there are more than ¥390bn Network Revenue, coming from PS Store and PS+/Now
 It's almost 8x the Revenue of Q3 FY13

 I estimated ¥435bn Network Revenue for Q3 FY20 which would be 8.7x Q3 FY13 Network Revenue
 That would also be the 2nd biggest Network Revenue during any quarter
 (4-5m PS+ subs in Q3 FY13 vs probably 47m+ PS+/Now subs in Q3 FY20)

 --------------------------------------------------------------------

 I repost the same table to avoid you to scroll up/down to see the numbers !
  (https://i.imgur.com/9YJDa7P.png)

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 Even with a weak Q3 (like Q3 FY19), Sony still posted ¥53.5bn Profit ($491M)
 This Q3 FY20 has a lot more of major third party releases + highly profitable and probably successful first party (Miles Morales) compared to last Q3 (FY19) and next-gen releases should boost spending on PS Store compared to last Q3

 Even if Hardware Revenue will increase the overall Revenue from the entire PlayStation division,
(I expect biggest Revenue ever during any quarter for any platform holder with about ¥865bn/$8.08B)
Software & Services Revenue should increase too year-on-year thanks to bigger line-up of third party releases + first-party release + next-gen boost

  (https://i.imgur.com/53XCnkd.png)

 If we sum up :

  • Big releases planned for Q2 went to Q3 (FIFA/Cyberpunk)
  • Bigger releases planned this Q3 (for Sony and publishers)
  • Bigger Revenue from Software year-on-year due to bigger line up overall
  • Bigger Revenue from Services year-on-year
  • Those Network Revenue (PS Store + Services) are 8x higher than the same quarter in 2013


 All guesses pointed to a better Revenue for this Q3 than Q3 FY19 but also better profits ! (so minimum ¥53.5bn like Q3FY19)
 My forecast would have been ¥70-75bn Profits (if there wasn't any loss due to the launch of a new console)

 But I remind you that Sony expects only ¥42bn ($393M) Profits for Q3 and Q4 combined

 If we take into account an expected loss of about $317-335M (¥34-36bn) due to PS5 launch (for $399/$449 retail price)
 My forecast of ¥70bn Profits would go down to about ¥34-36bn Profits for Q3 FY20

In the table, I forecast ¥29bn Profits to not exceed the ¥240bn Profits Sony forecasted for the fiscal year !

 --------------------------------------------------------------------

 I repost the same table to avoid you to scroll up/down to see the numbers !
  (https://i.imgur.com/9YJDa7P.png)

 --------------------------------------------------------------------

Now Q4 FY20 (Jan-Mar 2021) :
Q4 FY13 (Jan-Mar 2014) saw ¥10.7bn Loss despite huge PS4 sales (3.0 units) with about 5.7m PS+ subs
 That loss shows how weak was PS3 software wise and how low PlayStation Network spendings were
 Take a look at the table below to see the Network Revenue during Q4 FY13 (only ¥70bn)
 And compare that Network Revenue to PSN nowadays (5x higher now)

  (https://i.imgur.com/cYJ1eIa.png)

Q4 FY18 (Jan-Mar 2019) posted ¥63.9bn Profit, biggest profit ever for PlayStation during Q4
 Explained by Fortnite and big releases (AC7, KH3, RE2 Remake, Far Cry New Dawn, Anthem, Sekiro, The Division 2, Metro Exodus) + Apex Legends release

Q4 FY19 (Jan-Mar 2020) posted ¥46.2bn Profit, 2nd biggest profit ever for PlayStation during Q4
 Explained by Fortnite/Apex + Warzone release + big Q3 releases keep selling (MW/Jedi Fallen Order) + some major releases despite being weaker (DBZ Kakarot, Nioh 2, KH3 Re Mind, Dreams, Doom Eternal, MW2 Remastered)
 But especially major spending on Store due to lockdowns (almost flat from Q4 FY18 despite way weaker line-up of games)

Q4 FY20 (Jan-March 2021)
 With a probably big 1st party game planned for that quarter + PSN stronger than ever (Store + Services) + strong PS4 game sales + PS5 games sales, unlike Q4 FY13, Q4 FY20 will be likely profitable (a forecast of ¥35-45bn Profits would have been realistic)

 We will assume 3.0m PS5 units sold with the same loss than Hypothesis 1
 That would give $211-223M loss (¥22.6-23.9bn)

 Overall, Q4 Profits would be ¥11-21bn ($103-196M)
--> In the table, I put ¥13bn for Q4 Profits forecast


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 In conclusion, I think I showed why, in my opinion, Operating Profit forecast from Sony definitely hints to a price at less than $499.

 You can't have the biggest Revenue ever during any quarter (Q3 FY20), of course inflated by Hardware revenue boost but also with Software & Services Revenue this high (as previously explained/shown) and having not this much profits, especially when you have a major first party planned for launch !

 You can't have a record breaking Q1 FY20 with more than ¥124bn Profits ($1.152B) and forecast "only" ¥240bn for the the entire fiscal year when you will post some great profits during Q2 following TLOU Part II/Ghost success, as well as HZD PC release

 Q2+Q3+Q4 FY19 Profits reached ¥164.6bn ($1.52B)
 Q2+Q3+Q4 FY20 Profits would be ¥116bn ($1.08B) with a better/bigger line-up of first party games, third party games and stronger F2P ?

 The only explanation for only ¥240bn (2.24B) Profits is because Sony expect some loss with PS5 launch, and the loss will come from Hardware.
A price under $499 would explain why they expect only ¥240bn ($2.24B) Profits and not ¥300bn+ ($2.80B+)   

All of that because Sony isn't providing any information. What have they done lol.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Aug 16, 2020, 05:34 PM
Man its been too long since we even got some juicy PS5 rumours never mind anything new officially announced. Do something this coming week plz Sony!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Aug 16, 2020, 06:00 PM
Man its been too long since we even got some juicy PS5 rumours never mind anything new officially announced. Do something this coming week plz Sony!
Next week.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Aug 16, 2020, 07:20 PM
Next week.
Is that a prediction?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Aug 16, 2020, 07:38 PM
Is that a prediction?
I'm just busy this week lol.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 16, 2020, 07:49 PM
Man its been too long since we even got some juicy PS5 rumours never mind anything new officially announced. Do something this coming week plz Sony!
At this point i would settle for non-juicy rumors.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 19, 2020, 01:55 PM
A lot of people on ERA are now thinking the consoles are going to be $600.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Aug 19, 2020, 02:24 PM
A lot of people on ERA are now thinking the consoles are going to be $600.
i don't believe it.  every console generation has had some level of subsidy.  If the bill of materials is around $450 then a $600 console would be a straight up profit for ps5.  If the bill of materials is around $500 then a $600 be at least a break even for xbox.   That would be very uncharacteristic of a console imo.  

i don't know how much money MSony are willing to lose but $500 feels right to me for the series x and ps5 with a disc drive.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Aug 19, 2020, 02:25 PM
A lot of people on ERA are now thinking the consoles are going to be $600.
A lot of people are wrong. They're just using the bogus logic of: well if we haven't heard yet it must be bad and they're trying to hold off.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 19, 2020, 02:26 PM
A lot of people are wrong. They're just using the bogus logic of: well if we haven't heard yet it must be bad and they're trying to hold off.
Aye I know. It's pretty absurd.  ;D
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Aug 19, 2020, 03:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwNri1fBwYs6Fm9WY5OFhdH2xS18CIS_a

Latin America Playstation official youtube account updated their PS5 playlist yesterday with a private video. The only other videos in there are the future of gaming announcement followed by trailers of games at that event and the Godfall gameplay demo from state of play.

Edit: there's also a random EA sports video in there so it could be something like that I guess...
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Aug 19, 2020, 04:10 PM


Probably nothing, but we will see!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: SWORDF1SH on Aug 19, 2020, 11:56 PM
i don't believe it.  every console generation has had some level of subsidy.
Now, even more so when consoles are used to push services as well as games.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 20, 2020, 10:44 AM
First PS5 ad: "Welcome To A New World" | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/first-ps5-ad-welcome-to-a-new-world.271437/)

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This might rollout worldwide today or maybe someone in Hungary ended up posting ahead of time - It already got "removed" from the official PS Hungary channel, so this was not supposed to go live now



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Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Aug 20, 2020, 10:46 AM
First PS5 ad: "Welcome To A New World" | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/first-ps5-ad-welcome-to-a-new-world.271437/)

Yeah this is 100% for the champions league final. It would also make sense for them to announce the date for the next show beforehand so people who google PS5 during the final see the date, it would generate a lot more viewers.

CL final normally gets around 300-400 million viewers worldwide if you were wondering.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 20, 2020, 11:02 AM
Yeah this is 100% for the champions league final. It would also make sense for them to announce the date for the next show beforehand so people who google PS5 during the final see the date, it would generate a lot more viewers.

CL final normally gets around 300-400 million viewers worldwide if you were wondering.
Don't give me false hope!

It would basically have to be announced tomorrow.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Aug 20, 2020, 11:42 AM
Don't give me false hope!

It would basically have to be announced tomorrow.  

Yeah its unlikely but you never know.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Aug 20, 2020, 01:08 PM




Probably nothing, but we will see!
So that's what this was.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 20, 2020, 01:10 PM
Presenting PlayStation's first global ad spot showcasing key immersive features for the PS5 console generation - PlayStation.Blog (https://blog.playstation.com/2020/08/20/presenting-playstations-first-global-ad-spot-showcasing-key-immersive-features-for-the-ps5-console-generation/)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Aug 20, 2020, 01:18 PM
Presenting PlayStation's first global ad spot showcasing key immersive features for the PS5 console generation - PlayStation.Blog (https://blog.playstation.com/2020/08/20/presenting-playstations-first-global-ad-spot-showcasing-key-immersive-features-for-the-ps5-console-generation/)
"The haptic feedback precision allows us to do all sorts of new things. In Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales, we'll be hinting to players which direction attacks are coming from by providing haptic feedback from the appropriate direction on the DualSense wireless controller. What does it feel like to use Miles's stealth ability? How does a Venom Blast feel? Because of the high resolution of DualSense wireless controller's haptics system, we can really push the dimensionality of the feedback. For instance, as you hold down Square to do a Venom Punch, you feel Spider-Man's bio-electricity crackle across from the left side of the controller, culminating in the right side on impact."

 Oh hell yeah.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Aug 20, 2020, 01:23 PM
 "Deathloop being a first-person shooter, we do a lot of things to make weapons feel differently from one another. One I like is blocking the triggers when your weapon jams, to give to the player an immediate feedback even before the animation plays out, which prompts the player in a physical way that they have to unjam their gun." -Dinga Bakaba // Game Director, Deathloop

This sounds awesome too. The triggers are going to be amazing.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Aug 20, 2020, 02:28 PM
i'm pretty excited to feel what the dualsense does.  i could experience the 3D audio while listening to the commercial while wearing a headphone but haptic cannot be advertised.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Aug 20, 2020, 03:03 PM
How it feels to chew 5 gum





Ad didn't really work for me haha.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 20, 2020, 08:57 PM
How it feels to chew 5 gum





Ad didn't really work for me haha.
I think it's interesting the digital edition wasn't in the ad.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 21, 2020, 11:24 AM
I say for I think the second time.  It's crazy to me how many people are expecting $599 consoles right now.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Aug 21, 2020, 12:47 PM
I say for I think the second time.  It's crazy to me how many people are expecting $599 consoles right now.  
good. that way when they are $499 people will be happy. 
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: SWORDF1SH on Aug 21, 2020, 02:29 PM
I say for I think the second time.  It's crazy to me how many people are expecting $599 consoles right now.
I can see the series x being 599 though
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Aug 21, 2020, 02:33 PM
I think the pandemic will have a smaller effect now, but for a while I was thinking $699 could happen.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Aug 21, 2020, 03:19 PM
I think the pandemic will have a smaller effect now, but for a while I was thinking $699 could happen.
Wat?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 21, 2020, 03:32 PM
I think the pandemic will have a smaller effect now, but for a while I was thinking $699 could happen.
Absolute madness.

PS5 would be dead in the water.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Aug 21, 2020, 04:16 PM
Wat?
If it was still difficult to manufacture and ship the consoles, prices would have to go up unless the companies ate the costs.
Absolute madness.

PS5 would be dead in the water.  
Delaying them would have probably been smart if that ended up being the case.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Aug 21, 2020, 06:27 PM
If it was still difficult to manufacture and ship the consoles, prices would have to go up unless the companies ate the costs.Delaying them would have probably been smart if that ended up being the case.
No way it'd go up by that much though. Manufacturing cost for a console is like $10, shipping is probably not too much more than that per console. Even doubling the costs would be less than $50 increase.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 21, 2020, 06:32 PM
I hope that DualSense news is not all there is this month.  

I'm not sure what to expect from Sony.
I could see them dropping something for Gamescom. Just doing their own thing.

Or I could see them waiting for MS.

All I know for sure.

Is the wait is unbearable.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Aug 21, 2020, 06:41 PM
No way it'd go up by that much though. Manufacturing cost for a console is like $10, shipping is probably not too much more than that per console. Even doubling the costs would be less than $50 increase.
"Wat?"


Talking bout all of manufacturing, not just assembly. Prices go up when a majority of the world's population is at home due to a pandemic. Thank god most of the world has been able to recover from it faster than the worst predictions.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 21, 2020, 06:45 PM
During the peak of the pandemic for manufacturing in China.  

I am sure they could have still made the consoles and it would have costed that much.

But at that point I'd be 100% certain they would rather try delay the system than try launching at that price.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 21, 2020, 10:41 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Aug 21, 2020, 10:59 PM
Reminds me of the old cheap dvd cases.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Aug 21, 2020, 11:52 PM
"Wat?"


Talking bout all of manufacturing, not just assembly. Prices go up when a majority of the world's population is at home due to a pandemic. Thank god most of the world has been able to recover from it faster than the worst predictions.
Well I said that because we already heard from Bloomberg that covid was driving BOM up to $450, so $699 would be absolutely absurd unless costs of manufacturing and shipping were astronomical. We already knew the impact from covid and it wasn't that bad.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Aug 29, 2020, 11:35 AM


Dusk thinks there'll be a PS5 event in the first half of september. He added this in the era thread:

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This is the one part I'm a bit worried about sharing the PS5 thing being in the first half of the month. For the record I know this and am not making up that they're gearing up to do a PS5 event then, but I can see a scenario September is going to become bumper cars with the companies shifting around each other's dates. I do think due to console stuff Sony and Microsoft will take priority though.
Dusk does have very solid capcom inside info which has been proved, he's just a terrible insider with trying to guess stuff based off small snippets of things he's heard about things he doesn't really know about. So its hard to give a value to what he is saying. Like the PS5 struggling with 4K stuff and him saying the real possibility that PS5 will be weaker and more expensive, I think he's heard that on some games PS5 struggles with 4K where Series X doesn't which makes sense considering SX has the 2TF advantage and these games won't be optimised yet, and the price thing was probably just his pure conjecture but he has no idea how to properly give out information and opinions as an insider.

Probably his sources at capcom are expecting to be ready to put something into a sony show. But this is stull he can easily backtrack on and there's plenty of other rumors about.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Aug 30, 2020, 08:53 AM
The Latin America ps channel updated their PS5 playlist again, let's see what it is this time!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Aug 30, 2020, 04:12 PM
The Latin America ps channel updated their PS5 playlist again, let's see what it is this time!
an announcement of an announcement!!!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Aug 30, 2020, 04:15 PM
an announcement of and an announcement!!!
If we're lucky. Its probably just another ad.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Aug 30, 2020, 04:16 PM
If we're lucky. Its probably just another ad.
an announcement of an ad?!?!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 30, 2020, 04:21 PM
an announcement of an ad?!?!
As Xev said, that's if we are lucky.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Aug 30, 2020, 04:32 PM
Y'all have probably seen the Era thread but PS France added 4 videos to their PS5 playlist. They add many more videos including some random game trailers for PS4 games, so its probably just stuff like that. The Latin America account would just be posting the one trailer which is actually PS5 centric.

I don't see any Sony event being announced before the next xbox show has been dated, but ya never know.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Aug 30, 2020, 05:48 PM
There was a ps5 indie game trailer today. Probably that
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 30, 2020, 07:29 PM
(https://abload.de/img/09e3181e92634d984d105pkwm.jpeg)

Finally a fake rumor!  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Aug 30, 2020, 07:41 PM
(https://abload.de/img/09e3181e92634d984d105pkwm.jpeg)

Finally a fake rumor!  
Sounds good to me!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Aug 31, 2020, 12:04 AM
(https://abload.de/img/09e3181e92634d984d105pkwm.jpeg)

Finally a fake rumor!  
other than the date there is nothing that couldn't be filed under, "well duh".  

price, date, UI need to be shown soon. 

the already announced games will be the first to release even if not in the "launch" window.  other than ratchet none have had a the in-depth look I think we all expected after the last show.  they need at least a second look before launching. 

horizon also needs a more in-depth look. 

"big horror" has been so heavily rumored it might as well have been announced already. 

Sony buying a lot of timed content is also pretty much known already too.  we already know some of it i'm pretty sure there is more.  that kind of deal pretty much requires that sony promote it. 
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 31, 2020, 04:25 PM
More doom

Ubisoft Support Page: PS5 doesn't support PS1, PS2 or PS3 BC | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/ubisoft-support-page-ps5-doesnt-support-ps1-ps2-or-ps3-bc.277835/)

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PlayStation 4 players will be able to join multiplayer games with PlayStation 5 players.

Backwards compatibility will be available for supported PlayStation 4 titles, but will not be possible for PlayStation 3, PlayStation 2, or PlayStation games.  Click to expand... Click to shrink...  
https://support.ubisoft.com/en-AU/faqs/000055916

 Not sure if anyone was expecting otherwise, but yeah. Shame.  
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Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Aug 31, 2020, 04:50 PM
More doom

Ubisoft Support Page: PS5 doesn't support PS1, PS2 or PS3 BC | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/ubisoft-support-page-ps5-doesnt-support-ps1-ps2-or-ps3-bc.277835/)
https://support.ubisoft.com/en-AU/faqs/000055916 (https://support.ubisoft.com/en-AU/faqs/000055916)

 Not sure if anyone was expecting otherwise, but yeah. Shame.  

can anyone for just once while stating that ps5 won't be backwards compaitible with ps2/ps3 ever mention that 52 ps2 titles are on ps4 right now and many of the best ps3 games were ported to ps4 as well.

oh sure support isn't fantastic but you can play all 3 ps2 GTA, pschonaught, dark cloud, all three jaks, TLoU, all 3 uncharteds, all of the kingdom hearts, shadow of the colossus, all three spyros, all three crash bandicoots, crash bandicoot racing, wipeout, read dead, braid, heavy rain and beyond 2 souls.  demon's souls is being re-leased for ps5.     

there isn't that long of a list of games on ps2/3 worth pining over not being on ps4/5.    
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 31, 2020, 04:55 PM
can anyone for just once while stating that ps5 won't be backwards compaitible with ps2/ps3 ever mention that 52 ps2 titles are on ps4 right now and many of the best ps3 games were ported to ps4 as well.

oh sure support isn't fantastic but you can play all 3 ps2 GTA, pschonaught, dark cloud, all three jaks, TLoU, all 3 uncharteds, all of the kingdom hearts, shadow of the colossus, all three spyros, all three crash bandicoots, crash bandicoot racing, wipeout, read dead, braid, heavy rain and beyond 2 souls.  demon's souls is being re-leased for ps5.    

there isn't that long of a list of games on ps2/3 worth pining over not being on ps4/5.    
BC would still be nice.

But yeah, a huge amount of what was really worth playing has been remastered up.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Aug 31, 2020, 05:03 PM
BC would still be nice.

But yeah, a huge amount of what was really worth playing has been remastered up.  
i mean yeah, "nice".  i just don't think it is worth the investment.   i have my ps3 right next to my ps4.  i haven't turned in on in 7 years now or whatever it has been since i got my ps4.

here is all i'm "missing" titles:
- Ratchet and clank
  - going commando
  - up your arsenal
  - tools of destruction
  - quest for booty
  - crack in time
  - into the nexus
  - god of war 1 and 2
  - puppeteer
  - portal 2

...but meh.  i'll live without them.   like i said,.. my ps3 is just sitting right there.   honestly, i'd prefer a remaster of each to BC.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Aug 31, 2020, 08:27 PM
i mean yeah, "nice".  i just don't think it is worth the investment.   i have my ps3 right next to my ps4.  i haven't turned in on in 7 years now or whatever it has been since i got my ps4.

here is all i'm "missing" titles:
- Ratchet and clank
  - going commando
  - up your arsenal
  - tools of destruction
  - quest for booty
  - crack in time
  - into the nexus
  - god of war 1 and 2
  - puppeteer
  - portal 2

...but meh.  i'll live without them.   like i said,.. my ps3 is just sitting right there.   honestly, i'd prefer a remaster of each to BC.
Well sure, a remaster is better.  :P
But an emulator is cheaper.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 01, 2020, 03:00 AM
Well sure, a remaster is better.  :P
But an emulator is cheaper.  
not sure about that.  

i mean, from what i hear it isn't just the emulator but also tens of thousands of hours testing each and every title looking for issues and getting the publisher to fix them. 

to remaster each and every ps game would clearly take longer but there are only a few dozen worth remastering.  plus sony can sell a remaster at a profit.  BC is being given away so there is no value to sony there. 

you probably weren't answering from the perspective of sony though. 
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 01, 2020, 03:53 AM
not sure about that.  

i mean, from what i hear it isn't just the emulator but also tens of thousands of hours testing each and every title looking for issues and getting the publisher to fix them.

to remaster each and every ps game would clearly take longer but there are only a few dozen worth remastering.  plus sony can sell a remaster at a profit.  BC is being given away so there is no value to sony there.

you probably weren't answering from the perspective of sony though.
It's more like 50 hours per title.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 01, 2020, 03:54 AM
I'm betting an announcement Friday or Monday.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Sep 01, 2020, 11:56 AM
I'm betting an announcement Friday or Monday.
Could be today :o
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Sep 01, 2020, 01:02 PM



This is what PS latin america had as a private video. Blog post here:

https://blog.playstation.com/2020/09/01/devs-speak-how-ps5-consoles-ultra-high-speed-ssd-and-tempest-3d-audiotech-engine-will-enhance-the-future-of-gaming/
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 01, 2020, 05:56 PM


This is what PS latin america had as a private video. Blog post here:

https://blog.playstation.com/2020/09/01/devs-speak-how-ps5-consoles-ultra-high-speed-ssd-and-tempest-3d-audiotech-engine-will-enhance-the-future-of-gaming/
Whole lot of nothing...
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 01, 2020, 06:01 PM
Could be today :o
I don't think that guy who said Sept 9th knows anything, but I think that date seems promising. Lines up fairly well with Sony's TGS preshows.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Sep 01, 2020, 06:05 PM
I don't think that guy who said Sept 9th knows anything, but I think that date seems promising. Lines up fairly well with Sony's TGS preshows.  
Sept 9th was because it was leaked at the COD MP reveal date and people thought it could be at a Sony show, but Activision since revealed its a dedicated event.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 01, 2020, 06:10 PM
Sept 9th was because it was leaked at the COD MP reveal date and people thought it could be at a Sony show, but Activision since revealed its a dedicated event.
Ah.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 01, 2020, 06:50 PM
i'm getting quite annoyed at sony and ms both now...

2 months guys.  2 mother fudgy months. no price. no release date.  no OS.  no series s confirmation.  almost no confirmed release titles.  no gameplay on anything but ratchet, gt, and halo.   sony has at best a wishy-washy declaration of what BC means.  cross-gen titles are all sorts of confusing.   


i'm not sure why today but i'm quite suddenly very annoyed...
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 01, 2020, 07:31 PM
i'm getting quite annoyed at sony and ms both now...

2 months guys.  2 mother fudgy months. no price. no release date.  no OS.  no series s confirmation.  almost no confirmed release titles.  no gameplay on anything but ratchet, gt, and halo.   sony has at best a wishy-washy declaration of what BC means.  cross-gen titles are all sorts of confusing.  


i'm not sure why today but i'm quite suddenly very annoyed...
Maybe because it's September now!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 01, 2020, 09:12 PM
i'm getting quite annoyed at sony and ms both now...

2 months guys.  2 mother fudgy months. no price. no release date.  no OS.  no series s confirmation.  almost no confirmed release titles.  no gameplay on anything but ratchet, gt, and halo.   sony has at best a wishy-washy declaration of what BC means.  cross-gen titles are all sorts of confusing.  


i'm not sure why today but i'm quite suddenly very annoyed...
I'm with you actually. For me it's the announcement that Sony apparently won't be at TGS (they might still do a pre-TGS, but I'm really not holding my breath) and then that utterly worthless blogpost about the SSD and 3D Audio, that made me particularly annoyed today.

fudgy lay your cards on the table already, this isn't fun or interesting anymore, it's just obnoxious.

Microsoft reveal your stupid dog Series S console and tell us what you want to charge people so that we can finally move on from this wannabe competition in which 90% of the attention is going to just one competitor anyways.

And Sony you too, tell us the price, show us the UI, tell us the launch games, let us pre order, show us more gameplay, tell us if your late gen PS4 exclusives will be upgraded and how that is going to work, tell us how BC will work, show us more games in general. FFS there's such a plethora of things you could do to get people over the moon and instead you opt for telling, not showing, people again how with the SSD everything will load super fast and how with 3D audio you will hear from 360 degrees.

And I know we just got a R&C demo last week, so this might come off as disingenuous but seriously this drip feed is just grating at this point.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 01, 2020, 09:55 PM
Next 3 weeks guys!

Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>Or I&#39;m going to be mad. &nbsp;<br>
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 01, 2020, 09:56 PM
I'm with you actually. For me it's the announcement that Sony apparently won't be at TGS (they might still do a pre-TGS, but I'm really not holding my breath) and then that utterly worthless blogpost about the SSD and 3D Audio, that made me particularly annoyed today.

fudgy lay your cards on the table already, this isn't fun or interesting anymore, it's just obnoxious.

Microsoft reveal your stupid dog Series S console and tell us what you want to charge people so that we can finally move on from this wannabe competition in which 90% of the attention is going to just one competitor anyways.

And Sony you too, tell us the price, show us the UI, tell us the launch games, let us pre order, show us more gameplay, tell us if your late gen PS4 exclusives will be upgraded and how that is going to work, tell us how BC will work, show us more games in general. FFS there's such a plethora of things you could do to get people over the moon and instead you opt for telling, not showing, people again how with the SSD everything will load super fast and how with 3D audio you will hear from 360 degrees.

And I know we just got a R&C demo last week, so this might come off as disingenuous but seriously this drip feed is just grating at this point.
basically agree with everything...

..and the ratchet extended demo was great.  but sony announced this title almost 3 months ago.   at this point we should have an extended look at:
 - ratchet and clank
 - demon's souls
 - gran turismo 7
 - destruction all-stars
 - returnal 
 - sackboy: a (little) big adventure
 - spider-man: miles morales
 - astro's playroom

I'll forgive them horizon since that seems to be confirmed outside the launch window.  but there are enough games there that an extended look could have been released every 2 weeks to keep the excitement level up.   instead silence.

..and also there are those 3rd party games with some level of exclusivity:
 - jett
 - kena
 - stray
 - the pathless
 - i'm pretty sure there are more that fit into this category...

god fall and deathloop got follow-ups but sony should be marketing all of these games.


i'm still getting a ps5,. but i'm so very annoyed today.

Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Sep 01, 2020, 09:57 PM
Switch was fully revealed January 13th and released March 3rd.

The lack of transparency is incredibly frustrating but I think it'll be easy to forget once the systems are out.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 01, 2020, 09:58 PM
Next 3 weeks guys! 

Spoiler for Hidden:

Or I'm going to be mad.  

at this point even if there is a show there is soo much to show (even if we assume there are 0 new games to announce) that the show would need to be 2 hours.   i'm all for a "big" show but a 2 hour show detailing already announced games isn't big.   it would be a slog to sit though.

Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
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Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Sep 03, 2020, 04:11 AM
It'll be great when these teases end up meaning nothing.

Spiderman launch
Returnal launch
Ratchet March
Sackboy April
Demon's Souls summer
Gran Turismo september
Horizon April 2022
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 03, 2020, 09:20 AM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 03, 2020, 11:10 AM
So uh... Demon's souls
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 03, 2020, 12:53 PM
I had a dream that they announced the PS5 was going to be $725/$745.  It was dreadful.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Sep 03, 2020, 12:57 PM
I had a dream that they announced the PS5 was going to be $725/$745.  It was dreadful.
Sounds like it!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 03, 2020, 07:01 PM
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Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Sep 03, 2020, 08:13 PM
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This is peak internet.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 04, 2020, 01:21 AM
Some Journalists / Streamers might already have a PS5? Rumor | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/some-journalists-streamers-might-already-have-a-ps5.280247/)

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Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Sep 04, 2020, 02:50 AM
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Yummy PS5.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 04, 2020, 03:04 AM
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Yummy PS5.
"More cake than I expected.".   ;D
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 04, 2020, 04:20 PM
Gosh, people are very convinced of $500/$600.  

Would be great for Sony to come out and surprise.    ::) :P ???  :-[ :-\  :'(
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 04, 2020, 04:55 PM
Gosh, people are very convinced of $500/$600.  

Would be great for Sony to come out and surprise.    ::) :P ???  :-[ :-\  :'(
i mean sony came out and said in that invester document that ps5 shipments is expected to be lower than ps4 due to higher price.   i mean that was a long time ago now but between that, the estimated BoM, and the fact MSony don't want to state the price I think it is obvious that ps5 won't be $400.   

I think $600 is a stupid expectation but whatever,.. if gamers want to assume the worst it just means they won't be soo angry when it is announced at $500.   that works in everyones favor so let the stupid be stupid i say.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 04, 2020, 05:27 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 04, 2020, 05:31 PM
i mean sony came out and said in that invester document that ps5 shipments is expected to be lower than ps4 due to higher price.   i mean that was a long time ago now but between that, the estimated BoM, and the fact MSony don't want to state the price I think it is obvious that ps5 won't be $400.  

I think $600 is a stupid expectation but whatever,.. if gamers want to assume the worst it just means they won't be soo angry when it is announced at $500.   that works in everyones favor so let the stupid be stupid i say.

Sony have also apparently doubled their orders for this year and, as I keep bringing up, have made it their target to have this be their fastest generational transition ever.

The source for that 500/600€ rumor is beyond stupid.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Sep 04, 2020, 05:55 PM
i mean sony came out and said in that invester document that ps5 shipments is expected to be lower than ps4 due to higher price.   i mean that was a long time ago now but between that, the estimated BoM, and the fact MSony don't want to state the price I think it is obvious that ps5 won't be $400.  

I think $600 is a stupid expectation but whatever,.. if gamers want to assume the worst it just means they won't be soo angry when it is announced at $500.   that works in everyones favor so let the stupid be stupid i say.

Since then they doubled the production order and now expect increased revenue due to large hardware sales of PS5.

Sony have also apparently doubled their orders for this year and, as I keep bringing up, have made it their target to have this be their fastest generational transition ever.

The source for that 500/600€ rumor is beyond stupid.
Yeah its even funnier when you read their post on Era:

"We rarely share leaks because we don't get much. Again, the site is down so you can't read our piece, but we are very careful because it's no proper insiders material, but information we've got from a big retailer.

Thus, we are aware that retailer sometimes have got only placeholders. Then even if it's currently true, plans can change, as always."

Basically admitting they're not even sure that this price is right and that it could be a placeholder and subject to change even if it is.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 04, 2020, 06:37 PM
Sony have also apparently doubled their orders for this year and, as I keep bringing up, have made it their target to have this be their fastest generational transition ever.

The source for that 500/600€ rumor is beyond stupid.
yes, but clearly that upward estimate was due to covid-19 clearly have a positive impact on the demand for video game products.   when sony made the lower forcast covid had not yet closed america if i remember correctly and thus sony's estimate was based on the rules for a "normal market".   but sony was crystal clear at the time,.. they expected demand to be lower due to higher price of the hardware.   thus i don't think it is unfair to expect a price higher than $400 for ps5.  costs will not have suddenly become significantly lower recently.  sony's adjustment was due to clear and measurable evidence of an increase in demand for video game products due to the covid lock downs and self isolation.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Sep 04, 2020, 06:57 PM
yes, but clearly that upward estimate was due to covid-19 clearly have a positive impact on the demand for video game products.   when sony made the lower forcast covid had not yet closed america if i remember correctly and thus sony's estimate was based on the rules for a "normal market".   but sony was crystal clear at the time,.. they expected demand to be lower due to higher price of the hardware.   thus i don't think it is unfair to expect a price higher than $400 for ps5.  costs will not have suddenly become significantly lower recently.  sony's adjustment was due to clear and measurable evidence of an increase in demand for video game products due to the covid lock downs and self isolation.
I don't think anyone is expecting $400 for the regular PS5. PS5 could be $500 and what Sony said would make sense. It would also make a lot of sense if they weren't planning a digital console when they released the first estimate. It did take everyone by surprise in June, which suggests it wasn't in the planning for long. It wouldn't need to be planned for long either since its just PS4 with no disc drive. You wouldn't need much notice to start the production of it.

Perhaps Sony saw the opportunity of the pandemic and the competition of series S and later decided to make the digital edition which would be much cheaper and allow them to double the order of consoles. Just a theory, we don't really know enough about this. What we do know is Sony is making 10 million consoles this year and will want to quickly sell them all. If PS5 is really expensive I don't think they will.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 04, 2020, 07:09 PM
I don't think anyone is expecting $400 for the regular PS5. PS5 could be $500 and what Sony said would make sense. It would also make a lot of sense if they weren't planning a digital console when they released the first estimate. It did take everyone by surprise in June, which suggests it wasn't in the planning for long. It wouldn't need to be planned for long either since its just PS4 with no disc drive. You wouldn't need much notice to start the production of it.

Perhaps Sony saw the opportunity of the pandemic and the competition of series S and later decided to make the digital edition which would be much cheaper and allow them to double the order of consoles. Just a theory, we don't really know enough about this. What we do know is Sony is making 10 million consoles this year and will want to quickly sell them all. If PS5 is really expensive I don't think they will.
correct me if i'm wrong but i think the 10 million was for the fiscal year,.. so ending in march.  

mayhaps you are right about the digital version thing.  i'd suspect not.  i agree it's not a large turn around time on that but it just seems unlikely to me that it came into existence since the beginning of this year.   psp had a cartridge-less version.  xbox one had a disc-less version.  digital is clearly making huge strides this generation.   if they weren't talking about a disc-less version years ago something is really wrong with sony.   i think the surprise is just more that sony is much, much better at keeping secrets then ms.

Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Sep 04, 2020, 07:15 PM
correct me if i'm wrong but i think the 10 million was for the fiscal year,.. so ending in march. 

mayhaps you are right about the digital version thing.  i'd suspect not.  i agree it's not a large turn around time on that but it just seems unlikely to me that it came into existence since the beginning of this year.   psp had a cartridge-less version.  xbox one had a disc-less version.  digital is clearly making huge strides this generation.   if they weren't talking about a disc-less version years ago something is really wrong with sony.   i think the surprise is just more that sony is much, much better at keeping secrets then ms.
You are wrong! Articles reporting on the issue kept mixing it up but the original source (Bloomberg) specified 5 million produced by end of september and 10 million by end of december.

You're right they'd definitely have been considering it for a long time but it could be that they were thinking not to do a discless version or at least not at launch, then the covid situation tipped them over the edge and made them decide to do it for launch. They need to capitalise on the uptick in the industry with a more accessible price point.

Anyway, back on price that $450 BOM leak we got from Bloomberg seemed very reliable with Zhuge backing it up as well and prices seem to have gone down since then. Given that, $550+ would be selling at a profit and we know Sony will take a loss, so that's not happening. If the BOM leak is right, $550/$500 is the upper bound for both editions and even that would be a profit on HW for Sony.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 04, 2020, 08:03 PM
You are wrong! Articles reporting on the issue kept mixing it up but the original source (Bloomberg) specified 5 million produced by end of september and 10 million by end of december.

You're right they'd definitely have been considering it for a long time but it could be that they were thinking not to do a discless version or at least not at launch, then the covid situation tipped them over the edge and made them decide to do it for launch. They need to capitalise on the uptick in the industry with a more accessible price point.

Anyway, back on price that $450 BOM leak we got from Bloomberg seemed very reliable with Zhuge backing it up as well and prices seem to have gone down since then. Given that, $550+ would be selling at a profit and we know Sony will take a loss, so that's not happening. If the BOM leak is right, $550/$500 is the upper bound for both editions and even that would be a profit on HW for Sony.
Well, not to be a grammar nazi here but if the article stated 10 million produced by the end of december that would align with 10 million shipped by march.  a unit fresh off the conveyor belt in china won't count as part of the quarter's shipment.  i may be off but I don't think sony can take credit for shipped until the customer receives their product.  ...as in it's still not technically shipped during the 4 weeks its on a boat in the middle of the pacific en route to america or whatever its going.  but it is "shipped" while the unit is in transit from walmart's central distribution centers to individual walmarts for resale.

i am fully in agreement with you here.  those declaring $600 clearly don't grasp the every playstation and xbox product to-date has sold at a loss at launch.  some bigger than others obviously but a $50 loss is nothing in this business,.. i believe ps3 was a $300 loss.   a BoM of $450 does not translate to an expected MSRP of $600.  that's just silly given generations of evidence to the contrary.   it's part of why i vastly prefer consoles to pc.   ease of use,.. of course.   but a gaming pc is stupidly expensive compared to consoles even if you add in 7 years of ps+.   i mean for ducks sake, that RTX 3080 everyone is gushing about being a console killer is $700...
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Sep 04, 2020, 08:45 PM
Well, not to be a grammar nazi here but if the article stated 10 million produced by the end of december that would align with 10 million shipped by march.  a unit fresh off the conveyor belt in china won't count as part of the quarter's shipment.  i may be off but I don't think sony can take credit for shipped until the customer receives their product.  ...as in it's still not technically shipped during the 4 weeks its on a boat in the middle of the pacific en route to america or whatever its going.  but it is "shipped" while the unit is in transit from walmart's central distribution centers to individual walmarts for resale.

i am fully in agreement with you here.  those declaring $600 clearly don't grasp the every playstation and xbox product to-date has sold at a loss at launch.  some bigger than others obviously but a $50 loss is nothing in this business,.. i believe ps3 was a $300 loss.   a BoM of $450 does not translate to an expected MSRP of $600.  that's just silly given generations of evidence to the contrary.   it's part of why i vastly prefer consoles to pc.   ease of use,.. of course.   but a gaming pc is stupidly expensive compared to consoles even if you add in 7 years of ps+.   i mean for ducks sake, that RTX 3080 everyone is gushing about being a console killer is $700...

Who said shipped? I said Sony was making 10 million consoles this year. We don't know how many they plan to ship by the end of March, that wasn't what any leak/ info has said.

Also yeah, each individual part in a PC is sold at a profit while a console is sold at a loss in total, so its way, way more value.

Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 04, 2020, 08:52 PM
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Sony began PS5 mass production in June and, under the latest plan, expects to assemble 5 million units by the end of September and another 5 million between October and December. A large portion of the latter tranche would turn into stock for 2021 due to the logistical delay. Sony could try to use air cargo for faster delivery, as it did in 2013 around the launch of the PlayStation 4, though airlines are running vastly reduced schedules due to Covid-19 and Sony's ability to reserve flights would be limited.
I don't think the Covid boost would be big enough to overcome a much higher price tag for PS5 to outsell PS4's launch.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 04, 2020, 09:11 PM
Who said shipped? I said Sony was making 10 million consoles this year. We don't know how many they plan to ship by the end of March, that wasn't what any leak/ info has said.

Also yeah, each individual part in a PC is sold at a profit while a console is sold at a loss in total, so its way, way more value.
i did?

yes, but clearly that upward estimate was due to covid-19 clearly have a positive impact on the demand for video game products.   when sony made the lower forcast covid had not yet closed america if i remember correctly and thus sony's estimate was based on the rules for a "normal market".   but sony was crystal clear at the time,.. they expected demand to be lower due to higher price of the hardware.   thus i don't think it is unfair to expect a price higher than $400 for ps5.  costs will not have suddenly become significantly lower recently.  sony's adjustment was due to clear and measurable evidence of an increase in demand for video game products due to the covid lock downs and self isolation.
not so directly maybe but i was talking in context of sony's forecast warning to investors.  that has implications of being sony's shipped numbers as they would appear in quarterly financials.  




I don't think the Covid boost would be big enough to overcome a much higher price tag for PS5 to outsell PS4's launch.  
mayhaps.   obviously neither of us know.  

just an alternative theory,.. if you saw sony's latest financial the you'd have seen just how much growth digital games had vs physical games since the covid lock down.   it may be (in part) that sony thought the expensive disc version of the ps5 would be the leading platform but now believes the discless version and presumably cheaper version will be much more popular now that almost the entire market has suddenly become quite ok with buying games digitally.

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Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 04, 2020, 09:22 PM
The article was from mid april. Much of the US was already affected.

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The global Covid-19 pandemic has affected Sony's promotional plans for the new device but not its production capacity, they added.

The company has told assembly partners it would make 5 to 6 million units of the PS5 in the fiscal year ending March 2021, according to other people involved in the machine's supply chain. When Sony released the PlayStation 4 in November 2013, it sold 7.5 million units in its first two quarters.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Sep 04, 2020, 10:36 PM
i did?

not so directly maybe but i was talking in context of sony's forecast warning to investors.  that has implications of being sony's shipped numbers as they would appear in quarterly financials.  




mayhaps.   obviously neither of us know.  

just an alternative theory,.. if you saw sony's latest financial the you'd have seen just how much growth digital games had vs physical games since the covid lock down.   it may be (in part) that sony thought the expensive disc version of the ps5 would be the leading platform but now believes the discless version and presumably cheaper version will be much more popular now that almost the entire market has suddenly become quite ok with buying games digitally.

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Well I mean when I stated the 10mil thing I said it was their plan to make, that's the only concrete thing we heard.

Yes I think its obvious that plans changed, there's no way COVID demand would lead them to expecting double the sales of their console launching in November, when we saw the effects on HW dropping away already in June in most places. I think its obvious COVID lead them to change their minds on other things, the huge rise of digital being one. I guess we'll never know for sure but it seems the most logical conclusion.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Sep 05, 2020, 02:34 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: BananaKing on Sep 05, 2020, 02:59 PM
I expected returnal to be a 2021 game. Summer launch would be perfect for it as it won't have much competition and wouldnt get over shadowed.

Ratchet, gt7, returnal and horizon for a first year would be extremely strong.

If its a success I can see sony buying housemarque games
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 05, 2020, 05:20 PM
I mean all of Sony's first party games shown in June are aiming to be out before the end of next year. Question will be if they'll make it and if Sony might actually still be holding games back games that they are looking to release in the first year.

Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 05, 2020, 05:51 PM
I mean all of Sony's first party games shown in June are aiming to be out before the end of next year. Question will be if they'll make it and if Sony might actually still be holding games back games that they are looking to release in the first year.


And here I thought that GT7 wasn't going to be coming until 2023. *smh*
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 05, 2020, 10:47 PM
If we aren't getting anything substantial by the end of next week I'll.... probably do nothing aside from being pissed, because I can't really do anything.

This shame suuuuuuuucks!!!!!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 05, 2020, 10:52 PM
If there's no announcement of a show by Friday we will have to write a very sternly written letter to the editor and demand that they give us what we want.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 06, 2020, 02:36 AM
i'm officially on a poop strike.   i'll not shame again until ms and sony show me their shame.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 06, 2020, 02:09 PM
Demon's Souls has been rated in Japan, Korea, Brazil now.  

Most PS games are rated 2-3 months before launch. So it seems incredibly likely that DS is still coming this year.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Xevross on Sep 06, 2020, 02:13 PM
Demon's Souls has been rated in Japan, Korea, Brazil now.  

Most PS games are rated 2-3 months before launch. So it seems incredibly likely that DS is still coming this year.
Was never in doubt!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Sep 06, 2020, 02:45 PM
Also possible that the age rating is a bit early since it's a remake. They know exactly what's in the game even if there is still some work left.

-Devil's Advocate
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 06, 2020, 06:05 PM
Also possible that the age rating is a bit early since it's a remake. They know exactly what's in the game even if there is still some work left.

-Devil's Advocate
Does that ever happen though?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 06, 2020, 06:16 PM
Also possible that the age rating is a bit early since it's a remake. They know exactly what's in the game even if there is still some work left.

-Devil's Advocate
you'd have a better point if this was a remaster.  as a remake 100% content parity is not guaranteed and a standard review process is probably required. 
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Legend on Sep 06, 2020, 08:05 PM
Does that ever happen though?
We'll find out!

you'd have a better point if this was a remaster.  as a remake 100% content parity is not guaranteed and a standard review process is probably required.
It's not about 100% content parity, it's just about the devs having a pretty good idea of what the finished game will be. I don't think any ratings agencies have a special review process for remasters.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT|
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 06, 2020, 08:56 PM
We'll find out!
Or we won't if it launches soon  :o
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 08, 2020, 12:44 AM
Sony being obstinate to announce anything at all makes sense to me if they are planning a big final pre-release show to announce release date, price, final UI hopefully.  Most importantly show off the games with launch dates. 

Then I would understand they are waiting for a final price. 

But the part that doesn't make any sense to me is why Sony isn't pointing out these PS4, PSVR games will also be playable on PS5. 
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: Legend on Sep 08, 2020, 02:07 AM
Are they holding back so that they can have a super big mega blow out?

Nah. This is the least hypest next gen ever. We'll still get all the news but it'll be spread out amongst random blog posts, tweets, and hands on impressions. The only large scale PS5 thing was the July event. At most I think we might get a standard quality state of play in November.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: Xevross on Sep 08, 2020, 09:52 AM
If Series S is $299 with:

512GB SSD
4TF RDNA2 (20CUs @ 1.550Ghz) GPU
8-core 16thread 3.8GHz CPU
10GB GDDR6 RAM
No disc drive

How much more expensive can PS5 digital be with:

825GB faster SSD - better and bigger than Series S
10TF (36CUs 2.23GHz) GPU - better
3.5GHz GPU - worse
16GB GDDR6 RAM @ slower speed - bit better than series S
No disc drive - same

I think the difference probably comes to around $100 but Sony could bite the bullet and go $50 more if they really want to nail the series S.

Make no mistake, Series S is Sony's competition this gen.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 08, 2020, 10:16 AM
16 threaded mode is 3.6Ghz
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: Xevross on Sep 08, 2020, 11:38 AM
If Sony are having a show and intend to be price competitive with Series S it needs to be this week before too many people get sold on the S.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 08, 2020, 11:40 AM
If Sony are having a show and intend to be price competitive with Series S it needs to be this week before too many people get sold on the S.
Can you preorder xsx\s yet?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: Xevross on Sep 08, 2020, 11:55 AM
Can you preorder xsx\s yet?
No, not yet. I think Sony still has time to open pre-orders first. If that GAME rumour is true then it should be this week.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 08, 2020, 01:47 PM
Playstation UK tweeted out a scene from GoT, with a proud display of buttocks.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 08, 2020, 03:43 PM
Playstation UK tweeted out a scene from GoT, with a proud display of buttocks.
Huh. Game of thrones?

Or ghost?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 08, 2020, 03:59 PM
Huh. Game of thrones?

Or ghost?
Ghost of Tsushima.

Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: Xevross on Sep 08, 2020, 04:19 PM
Kena articles went live:

20 Questions (And Answers) About Kena: Bridge Of Spirits - Game Informer (https://www.gameinformer.com/feature/2020/09/08/20-questions-and-answers-about-kena-bridge-of-spirits)

What Does The PS5 Bring To Kena: Bridge Of Spirits? - Game Informer (https://www.gameinformer.com/feature/2020/09/08/what-does-the-ps5-bring-to-kena-bridge-of-spirits)

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First up, there's the matter of load times. Sony has touted the speed of the PS5's solid-state drive, and how it virtually eliminates long loads. In practice, we watched as Kena was launched from the PlayStation 5 system menu. It took about two seconds. That's not resuming a suspended game, but launching the game fresh.
Why hasn't Sony marketed this, or like anything?

Ghost of Tsushima.

What Does The PS5 Bring To Kena: Bridge Of Spirits? - Game Informer (https://www.gameinformer.com/feature/2020/09/08/what-does-the-ps5-bring-to-kena-bridge-of-spirits?amp&__twitter_impression=true)
Rude.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 08, 2020, 04:20 PM
Lol.

2 seconds is insane.

I wonder if we went see quick resume because it's all quick.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: Legend on Sep 08, 2020, 04:31 PM
Lol.

2 seconds is insane.

I wonder if we went see quick resume because it's all quick.
Suspend is still nice because for offline games it lets you pause and "save" at any time.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 08, 2020, 04:33 PM
Suspend is still nice because for offline games it lets you pause and "save" at any time.
i do that all the time.  especially useful when you are playing and the wife starts screaming about some emergency.   it's soo nice to be responsive to her needs and not feel like my gaming session was negatively impacted.   honestly the best part of this gen.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: Xevross on Sep 08, 2020, 04:40 PM
Suspend is still nice because for offline games it lets you pause and "save" at any time.
It was the only pause button for Bloodborne on PS4.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 08, 2020, 09:55 PM
It was the only pause button for Bloodborne on PS4.
Yep. Couldn't play demons souls for long due to no pause
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 09, 2020, 06:12 PM
Whew the hot takes are running wild today... So I just wanna say something that I felt for some time now:

He's gained some notoriety for his event leaks this summer, but Jeff Grubb is really just a complete idiot.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: Legend on Sep 09, 2020, 06:43 PM
Aww :'(

What did Jeff Grubb say?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 09, 2020, 06:55 PM
Aww :'(

What did Jeff Grubb say?
It's a bit of a stretch to say he's a complete idiot. But he's definitely been making some bad takes.  





Basically he thinks:
- Sony can't afford to take a loss on PS5, despite the fact that Sony is doing better than they have in a while.  
- That Sony would have announced the price already if it was good.

Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 09, 2020, 07:18 PM
It's a bit of a stretch to say he's a complete idiot. But he's definitely been making some bad takes.  





Basically he thinks:
- Sony can't afford to take a loss on PS5, despite the fact that Sony is doing better than they have in a while.  
- That Sony would have announced the price already if it was good.


What if they can afford it but would rather not. They were waiting to see if MS would force them to take the loss
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 09, 2020, 07:32 PM
What if they can afford it but would rather not. They were waiting to see if MS would force them to take the loss
ps5 was always going to be sold at a loss at launch.  ps4 was sold at a loss at launch but as they said after selling 1 full priced game ps4 was almost break even.    ... and sony was in much more dire straights at ps4's launch financially. 

the waiting game over xbox is all down to how much of a loss do they want to take.   $50?  $100?  $150?    no need to loose money if xbox was $600.  no need to lose the generation if xbox was $400.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 09, 2020, 07:52 PM
It's a bit of a stretch to say he's a complete idiot. But he's definitely been making some bad takes.  





Basically he thinks:
- Sony can't afford to take a loss on PS5, despite the fact that Sony is doing better than they have in a while.  
- That Sony would have announced the price already if it was good.


I think it's perfectly fair imo, this isn't the first time after all.

When that PS5 pre order registration thing opened he spun some crud about how Sony might try to use this to make most of the PS5 sales this year through their own store, to be able to hide the price until October (even though that whole thing was US only).

He was on the forefront of arguing that Xbox would surely abandon Gold and he would even insult people and tell them they didn't understands MS' business strategy when they argued MS wouldn't leave that money behind.

Somehow he always arrives at the conclusion that MS is either already doing all the right things, while Sony is lacking or that MS will be doing some crazy new thing that will tip the scale in their favour.

Like when he wrote an article about how exclusives didn't really matter that much, which ended with the conclusion that blockbuster games are fine but they don't increase platform engagement, so investments in services like Gamepass and Backwards Compatibility are better.

Or when he came up with the theory that MS could sell the Series S without a controller to get an extra low price.

Or when he claimed that third party exclusive deals would start looking real silly, once MS would start paying for third party games to instead come day 1 to Gamepass, mere weeks before Microsoft would come out and also announce third party exclusive deals.

His takes have a very obvious tendency to lean towards overselling Xbox and downplaying Playstation.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: Xevross on Sep 09, 2020, 08:12 PM
It's a bit of a stretch to say he's a complete idiot. But he's definitely been making some bad takes.  





Basically he thinks:
- Sony can't afford to take a loss on PS5, despite the fact that Sony is doing better than they have in a while.  
- That Sony would have announced the price already if it was good.


Sony which has taken a loss on every PS console
Sony which took a $300 loss on PS3 at launch
Sony which is doing its best ever as a company on the whole with every division being very profitable
Sony which forecast $500M+ reduction in operating loss due to PS5

What an absolute tool. Most gaming journalists are idiots.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: Xevross on Sep 09, 2020, 08:19 PM
Sony took a ~$60 loss at launch on PS4. This was after the disaster PS3 where they really needed to recover losses and the company as a whole was struggling. If they were going to play it safe and try and make a profit it would have been then.

But they didn't, despite XB1 being $499 and weaker they still went with $399 and took the loss. PS+ was much smaller, digital revenue and recurrent user spending was magnitudes lower. Return on investment for attracting a customer was miles lower 7 years ago, and 7 years ago they thought it was worth a $60 loss at launch.

So what now. Now Sony is doing way better on the whole, now every customer is much more valuable to attract and spends a lot more with PS+ and MTX. Now they can afford to take a bigger hit as PS4 is the most profitable console of all time and PS is seeing a record year. Now they just play it safe and don't take a loss? Sure Jan. If Sony try and break even on PS5 and aren't competitive with xbox pricing its the weirdest and stupidest business move that the playstation division has ever made.

The safest bet and most logical thing is that Sony will take an even bigger loss per console now, as they can afford it and its better to try and attract as many people as possible. PS5 at $500 would be less of a loss than PS4. $550+ PS5 would be a profit. Even if it does wildly happen, only an idiot would predict a $500+ PS5. And if you predict that and you turn out right you're not smart, Sony are stupid.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 09, 2020, 08:24 PM
Quote from: Shinobi
I think Microsoft has built some fantastic hardware with Series X & S and I think they're great value for the tech. But I've noticed weird concern every so often as if anything Xbox does is suddenly something Sony has to respond to. They're the clear market leader, they have a massively loyal audience waiting to jump to PS5, and they've got a ton of stuff to work with in the lead up to launch, not to mention first party tentpole projects later down the line. This isn't warrior speak at all but Sony just...pretty much owns the room when they decide to talk.

And they'll talk when they're good and ready.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 09, 2020, 08:34 PM
^
Fair enough. I still want some info.



Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 11, 2020, 10:39 AM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ps4-box-offers-first-look-at-%E2%80%98ps5-upgrade%E2%80%99-branding.284456/
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: Xevross on Sep 11, 2020, 12:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwNri1fBwYs6Fm9WY5OFhdH2xS18CIS_a

Latin America PS5 playlist updated again.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 11, 2020, 02:00 PM
PS5 price may be changing -- thanks to Xbox Series X | Tom's Guide (https://www.tomsguide.com/news/ps5-price-may-be-changing-and-well-have-the-xbox-series-x-to-thank)

Claims there was an original price considerably more expensive.

But Sony will likely be putting $399/$499.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 11, 2020, 02:06 PM
PS5 price may be changing -- thanks to Xbox Series X | Tom's Guide (https://www.tomsguide.com/news/ps5-price-may-be-changing-and-well-have-the-xbox-series-x-to-thank)

Claims there was an original price considerably more expensive.

But Sony will likely be putting $399/$499.
of course.  price was goign to be $700 but then they saw xbox and decided to drop to $500.   i completely believe you meritless rumor..
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: Xevross on Sep 11, 2020, 02:18 PM
PS5 price may be changing -- thanks to Xbox Series X | Tom's Guide (https://www.tomsguide.com/news/ps5-price-may-be-changing-and-well-have-the-xbox-series-x-to-thank)

Claims there was an original price considerably more expensive.

But Sony will likely be putting $399/$499.
The gamereactor article is from yesterday. I think what's the most likely story here is that Sony were always thinking 399/499 but only a few at the top knew it and now xbox price has been announced they're happy with the PS5 price point and have got ready to announce it by letting more people know.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 11, 2020, 02:28 PM
of course.  price was goign to be $700 but then they saw xbox and decided to drop to $500.   i completely believe you meritless rumor..
Yep, but I'll take any rumor that backs up $399/$499.

Look here's one now

Quote from: the+Pi+guy
Sony PS5 will be $399 for the digital version.  $499 for the physical.  
My reliable source is my Sony Uncle.

The gamereactor article is from yesterday. I think what's the most likely story here is that Sony were always thinking 399/499 but only a few at the top knew it and now xbox price has been announced they're happy with the PS5 price point and have got ready to announce it by letting more people know.
If it were legitimate, I wonder if someone was hearing the PS5 cost to Sony, and then they started hearing the PS5 consumer price.  

I doubt it's legitimate. But I'm so desperate for news, I'd take just about anything.

Even insider Kitler.   8)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: Xevross on Sep 11, 2020, 02:54 PM
The private video just disappeared from Latin America channel.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 11, 2020, 03:10 PM
Yep, but I'll take any rumor that backs up $399/$499.

Look here's one now

If it were legitimate, I wonder if someone was hearing the PS5 cost to Sony, and then they started hearing the PS5 consumer price.  

I doubt it's legitimate. But I'm so desperate for news, I'd take just about anything.

Even insider Kitler.   8)
i have just learned from a reliable source sony was always going to price the ps5 and ps5 DE between $399 and $499.  However they were putting out false intelligence that they'd be releasing between $499 and $599 hoping they could get ms to publicly commit to a $599 price for xbsx and thus win the generation decisively in the first 12 months of the generation.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Violent Sony
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 11, 2020, 04:46 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Stand included
Post by: SWORDF1SH on Sep 11, 2020, 07:31 PM
Was PS5 Digital'S SSD confirmed?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Stand included
Post by: Legend on Sep 11, 2020, 07:33 PM
Was PS5 Digital'S SSD confirmed?
Yes.

Both systems are 100% identical except for disc drive and external casing.

Also speaking of the new thread title, I bet a lot of people will have difficulty with the PS5 stand. Will have jokes and memes about not knowing how to put the console on its side correctly.

Will it actually be an issue? No, but the power and eject buttons on PS4 aren't an issue yet they've caused a lot of confusion lol.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Stand included
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 11, 2020, 07:48 PM
I kind of like what they've done with the stand.

Including the stand and using it for both orientations means:
-Not having to sell 4 different SKUs of stands (in fact, not needing to sell any stands separate, except as replacement?  Probably rare)
-less likely to lose it

Not a perfect strategy, but at least its better than XSX's stand...  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Stand included
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 11, 2020, 09:35 PM
Confusion about the disk tray is just super weird to me.

Saw someone asking a few months ago about what direction the disk is supposed to go in. Another one today.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Stand included
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 11, 2020, 10:56 PM
Confusion about the disk tray is just super weird to me.

Saw someone asking a few months ago about what direction the disk is supposed to go in. Another one today.
i mean, the confusion is probably about which side is "up".   I've got to admit that when the first imaged of ps5 were shown and it was oriented vertically i wasn't certain which way it would be placed on it's side.  aka disc drive top or bottom.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Stand included
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 11, 2020, 11:13 PM
i mean, the confusion is probably about which side is "up".   I've got to admit that when the first imaged of ps5 were shown and it was oriented vertically i wasn't certain which way it would be placed on it's side.  aka disc drive top or bottom.
Yeah but at this point after seeing it horizontal, I don't understand how there can be so much confusion.  

https://www.resetera.com/threads/confusion-about-the-official-image-of-the-ps5-on-its-sides.284819/
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Stand included
Post by: SWORDF1SH on Sep 12, 2020, 12:29 AM
Wow! Just wow!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Stand included
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 13, 2020, 04:25 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhkjX7KX0AAt6Qy?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Stand included
Post by: Legend on Sep 14, 2020, 04:09 PM


Kinda great but it ended quickly.


Will Sony top their PS4 ads thow?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Stand included
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 14, 2020, 04:17 PM
lol, sony certainly has a "style" when it comes to playstation ads.   

not my favorite.  not bad either.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Stand included
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 14, 2020, 04:45 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 14, 2020, 04:51 PM
how many ps5's can fit on 1 flight?   maybe i'm skewed from the concept of a commercial flight but i can't imagine it being more than 10,000.   times 60 and that is only 600,000 units.  that's not a lot for a quarter unless this is for the USA market only.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 14, 2020, 05:15 PM
how many ps5's can fit on 1 flight?   maybe i'm skewed from the concept of a commercial flight but i can't imagine it being more than 10,000.   times 60 and that is only 600,000 units.  that's not a lot for a quarter unless this is for the USA market only.
They won't just use air freight.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 14, 2020, 05:52 PM
how many ps5's can fit on 1 flight?   maybe i'm skewed from the concept of a commercial flight but i can't imagine it being more than 10,000.   times 60 and that is only 600,000 units.  that's not a lot for a quarter unless this is for the USA market only.
Apparently these planes can carry ~300k lbs/30k packages.

~1.8 million PS5's.

As DerNebel said, they certainly have shipped consoles already.

They are supposed to have 5m by September. This 1.8m is either the last part of the September stock or Oct stock. So might be somewhere between 5 and 6.8m total.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 14, 2020, 06:25 PM
Apparently these planes can carry ~300k lbs/30k packages.

~1.8 million PS5's.

As DerNebel said, they certainly have shipped consoles already.

They are supposed to have 5m by September. This 1.8m is either the last part of the September stock or Oct stock. So might be somewhere between 5 and 6.8m total.
i just have a hard time believing sony can sell that many even at $400.   ...and if they do there is going to be such a massive sales cliff in 2021 that i'm not sure it's worth it.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 14, 2020, 06:32 PM
lol, sony certainly has a "style" when it comes to playstation ads.   

not my favorite.  not bad either. 
They're very british/ european style ads.

Yes as you guys said this is enough for about 1.5-2 million consoles.

They will probably be cargo shipping the earlier production to arrive in time, and using trains and things like that to ship to Europe.

If they have made 5 million by end of September, all of that will be shipped normally. The consoles made in October and November can be airshipped out or sold in Asia, while late Nov and Dec production will probably be kept for next year. This does point to 7-8M shipped in 2020 if the 5M by end of this month and 10M by the end of the year is right.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 14, 2020, 08:19 PM
air ship also means that if they sell out in the holiday rush then there will probably be a long gap (around 1-2 months) where shelves won't be restocked at all in early 2021.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Sep 14, 2020, 08:38 PM
air ship also means that if they sell out in the holiday rush then there will probably be a long gap (around 1-2 months) where shelves won't be restocked at all in early 2021.
Just use a second round of planes. They did the same thing for PS4's launch.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 14, 2020, 10:15 PM
Xbox prices got leaked a full week before their planned reveal. We're now less than 2 days to PS5 and nothing is being said, not even any hints.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 14, 2020, 11:14 PM
Xbox prices got leaked a full week before their planned reveal. We're now less than 2 days to PS5 and nothing is being said, not even any hints.
Sony not confident??
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Sep 14, 2020, 11:37 PM
Xbox prices got leaked a full week before their planned reveal. We're now less than 2 days to PS5 and nothing is being said, not even any hints.
Sony doesn't have to tell people in advance of the show.

Also I'm so glad the console design wasn't leaked. That was the most hype moment of the year.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 14, 2020, 11:59 PM
Sony not confident??
sony is just better at controlling information. 
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Stand included
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 15, 2020, 12:27 AM

Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 15, 2020, 01:44 AM


Major yield issues.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Sep 15, 2020, 03:07 AM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/bloomberg-japan-sony-cuts-ps5-production-by-4-million-units-after-production-yield-issues.286685/
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 15, 2020, 03:35 AM
more reason not to buy a launch model.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Sep 15, 2020, 03:47 AM
more reason not to buy a launch model.
Launch models are fine, or at least will have issues unrelated to this.

This only affects price and availability.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 15, 2020, 08:09 AM
Launch models are fine, or at least will have issues unrelated to this.

This only affects price and availability.
Not even price, this is AMD's problem more than anything. Sony will have already agreed a price per chip with AMD, this just means Sony get to make fewer PS5s than they hoped. You wouldn't change long term price on a product only because initial yield was lower than expected.

Anyway this isn't too bad, it's still higher than PS4 and they will probably ramp up further in the rest of next year to make up for it.

This marches with the increased air freight, if the first few months of production were much lower than expected then its launch that would suffer, but the air freight basically moves the shipments forward a quarter.

PS4 shipped 4.5M and 3M in it's first two quarters. We might see something like 6M and 3.5M for PS5 if they do hit this production target.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 15, 2020, 11:09 AM
Not even price, this is AMD's problem more than anything. Sony will have already agreed a price per chip with AMD, this just means Sony get to make fewer PS5s than they hoped. You wouldn't change long term price on a product only because initial yield was lower than expected.

Anyway this isn't too bad, it's still higher than PS4 and they will probably ramp up further in the rest of next year to make up for it.

This marches with the increased air freight, if the first few months of production were much lower than expected then its launch that would suffer, but the air freight basically moves the shipments forward a quarter.

PS4 shipped 4.5M and 3M in it's first two quarters. We might see something like 6M and 3.5M for PS5 if they do hit this production target.
But Sony needs be given more chips in order to get working ones.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 15, 2020, 06:46 PM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/sony-denies-reports-it-has-cut-production-by-4-million-units.287144/

Holy shame, this is a development!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Sep 15, 2020, 06:56 PM
What does this mean!?

Bloomberg has been super funky with their PS5 insights. Random huge leaks here and there. Does this cast doubt on the past ones, or does it confirm them since Sony never commented before?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 15, 2020, 07:00 PM
What does this mean!?

Bloomberg has been super funky with their PS5 insights. Random huge leaks here and there. Does this cast doubt on the past ones, or does it confirm them since Sony never commented before?
I think it casts doubt on everything Bloomberg has said about PS5. We know nothing about the target production number or how production is actually going. Perhaps the $450 BOM report is now unreliable too.

I think Sony's statement most likely points to that the report of a lowered and then boosted target was wrong and they've just been going for their original target this whole time. We have no idea what that is, though.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 15, 2020, 07:02 PM
Its worth noting that Nikkei reported this at the same time as Bloomberg:
                    Facebook and Sony ramp up output of gaming devices -
                Nikkei Asian Review
     (https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Technology/Facebook-and-Sony-ramp-up-output-of-gaming-devices)

Bloomberg said 10m production by the end of the year, Nikkei said 9m. This was what was said about the time of the start of mass production, so this could be the plan Sony is sticking too. It would probably mean something like 13-14m produced by end of March (altough the report doesn't officially say 9m is by end of 2020).
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 15, 2020, 07:09 PM
What does this mean!?

Bloomberg has been super funky with their PS5 insights. Random huge leaks here and there. Does this cast doubt on the past ones, or does it confirm them since Sony never commented before?
I think it kinda depends on what those past leaks were right? I remember things about the supposed BOM cost and the number of systems they were aiming to make.

Both of those, to me at least, feel like pieces of information, which no matter how false or true they are, in the end don't really matter to the consumer. This report however included the part about the yield issue, which through the media and just general information spread, could easily be warped into "worries about the PS5's failure rate" or something similar.

That's what I believe at least, that Sony doesn't want to leave a report uncommented that could be misconstrued to mean that their consoles will be failing on people.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 15, 2020, 07:14 PM
I think it kinda depends on what those past leaks were right? I remember things about the supposed BOM cost and the number of systems they were aiming to make.

Both of those, to me at least, feel like pieces of information, which no matter how false or true they are, in the end don't really matter to the consumer. This report however included the part about the yield issue, which through the media and just general information spread, could easily be warped into "worries about the PS5's failure rate" or something similar.

That's what I believe at least, that Sony doesn't want to leave a report uncommented that could be misconstrued to mean that their consoles will be failing on people.
Its funny though because if that was the case they would have been adamant about the yield reports and the SOC quality. The only thing they specifically denied was the production numbers changing.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 15, 2020, 07:20 PM
Its funny though because if that was the case they would have been adamant about the yield reports and the SOC quality. The only thing they specifically denied was the production numbers changing.
Dunno, they kinda denied the whole thing, saying that the provided information is false. But yeah, I guess they do specifically mention the not lowering production.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 15, 2020, 07:32 PM
to me this is all basically the same as when gamers believe an unnounced game has been delayed.   rumor taken as fact modified by rumor taken as fact.   maybe there is some truth there.  maybe it was just a BS rumor to begin with and the rumor was modifed to align itself with the truth because you know, two wrongs make a right...

i'm just going to ignore the whole thing.   i found whole 15 million by march thing to be pretty dang unbelievable in the first place.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 15, 2020, 09:40 PM
Its gonna be a fun few days after the showcase too. We should see the box, the back of the console, find out exact dimensions and whatever else Sony might want to share. Its hopefully going to be constant news from here on out.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Sep 15, 2020, 10:10 PM
Its gonna be a fun few days after the showcase too. We should see the box, the back of the console, find out exact dimensions and whatever else Sony might want to share. Its hopefully going to be constant news from here on out.
I hope they start shipping out shells for journalists. We know what PS5 looks like but outside of leaks, we've never actually seen photos of it. I doubt they'll include photos in the show tomorrow (just cgi).
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 15, 2020, 10:27 PM
I hope they start shipping out shells for journalists. We know what PS5 looks like but outside of leaks, we've never actually seen photos of it. I doubt they'll include photos in the show tomorrow (just cgi).
Yep for sure, can't wait to see official real pictures of it.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 16, 2020, 10:19 PM
So we have one timed big timed exclusive announced. Surely there's more, right?

Also the gap in first parties between the competing companies is VAST. PS5 has 5 first party games for launch (2 of which on PS4 also). Xbox have 0. PS5 has 5 more first party games confirmed/ likely for 2021, xbox has a couple.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 16, 2020, 10:27 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 16, 2020, 10:53 PM
So we still haven't seen the UI or anything for this console. We saw the back and know the dimensions at least.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 16, 2020, 10:54 PM
So we still haven't seen the UI or anything for this console. We saw the back and know the dimensions at least.
Dat dog tho  8)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Sep 16, 2020, 10:56 PM
So we still haven't seen the UI or anything for this console. We saw the back and know the dimensions at least.
Yeah what ports were back there? Any official pics?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 16, 2020, 10:58 PM
Yeah what ports were back there? Any official pics?
(https://scontent.fman3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/119475976_769478147199720_2801690014626019356_n.png?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=b96e70&_nc_ohc=45nv2C_PvuEAX-ds7_C&_nc_ht=scontent.fman3-1.fna&oh=74b4cc2bea57a2ae9da63fcbc22e6844&oe=5F8852EA)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 16, 2020, 10:59 PM
Yeah what ports were back there? Any official pics?
2 USB
1 AC
1 HDMI
1 Ethernet

Some kind of mystery thing towards the top that kind of looked like a port but could have been anything really.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 16, 2020, 10:59 PM
But to at least add some positivity back in here: It definitely appears like we might not be in for another generation of 5+ years dev cycles for Sony games. Not having to start over from the get go like with a new IP, should theoretically cut out a good chunk of dev time I would guess.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Sep 16, 2020, 11:02 PM
2 USB
1 AC
1 HDMI
1 Ethernet

Some kind of mystery thing towards the top that kind of looked like a port but could have been anything really.
The top is for a security lock. I don't think retail PS4s had them.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41ZV2CYWFLL._AC_.jpg)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: nnodley on Sep 16, 2020, 11:10 PM
apparently walmart took orders online and are already sold out.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 16, 2020, 11:11 PM
(https://scontent.fman3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/119475976_769478147199720_2801690014626019356_n.png?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=b96e70&_nc_ohc=45nv2C_PvuEAX-ds7_C&_nc_ht=scontent.fman3-1.fna&oh=74b4cc2bea57a2ae9da63fcbc22e6844&oe=5F8852EA)
Why is this console in such low resolution?  I thought it was supposed to be 4K.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Sep 16, 2020, 11:12 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiEoaLeXgAM28EV?format=jpg&name=medium)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiEoaLpXkAE0wF-?format=jpg&name=medium)

I love the series x box now...
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: nnodley on Sep 16, 2020, 11:18 PM
really?  I like those boxes a lot.  The digital one is noice.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Sep 16, 2020, 11:23 PM
really?  I like those boxes a lot.  The digital one is noice.
They feel like standard sony hardware boxes I guess.

Don't feel like playstation.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 16, 2020, 11:25 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiEoaLeXgAM28EV?format=jpg&name=medium)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiEoaLpXkAE0wF-?format=jpg&name=medium)

I love the series x box now...
This box is 10x better than the xbox ones lol.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 16, 2020, 11:27 PM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/jim-ryan-99-of-ps4-games-will-be-backwards-compatible-with-ps5.288119/

Confirmed again.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Sep 16, 2020, 11:28 PM
This box is 10x better than the xbox ones lol.
Yes I'd agree
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61CnOKdmBeL._SL1500_.jpg)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 16, 2020, 11:29 PM
PlayStation CEO Jim Ryan on PlayStation 5 price, launch titles, strategy - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2020/09/16/ps5-retail-units/)

Also more PS5 units this year than PS4 in 2013 confirmed.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 17, 2020, 12:06 AM
If you asked me today what I would want in the perfect scenario I would have said:

PS5 £450 with a pre-order secured
PS5 has the best case scenario launch lineup with Spidey, Sackboy, Destruction AS, Demon's Souls & Astro Playroom
We see amazing looking Spidey & Demon's Souls gameplay
We get a cool new announcement like FF16
God of War 2 announced would be awesome but unexpected

We got all of that and more, God of War 2 is next year! Its balanced by the bad news of Sony lying & H2, Sackboy and Spidey being cross-gen, the actual show being a mess and it taking ages to figure all this stuff out and the price hike for Sony games.

So overall a very, very good day even if the show itself was fairly meh. Hopefully places like amazon and shopto in the UK keep selling physical games for way below the digital RRP.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 17, 2020, 01:28 AM
Sony seems very averse to announcements.  

They've been notably vague with release dates.  Even the DS trailer didn't include a release date. Which is strange. I think out of all their announcements God of War is the only one they have given any details of in their conferences.

In addition to what I said before. Sony seems particularly reactive to criticism in a way I haven't really seen them before.  They're being kind of awkward with their reactions.

It just kind of feels like Sony is so worried about messing up, it's causing them to mess up more.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 17, 2020, 02:44 PM

so when the dig dong are we going to see the ps5 OS?!     


there better be a onslaught of ps5 deep dives in the next month.   We are at under 2 months and we require a deep dive (or second look) into:
- the ps5 OS 
- backwards compatibility
- astro's playroom
- sackboy a big adventure
- destruction all-stars
- returnal
- kena

- jett
- pathless

We should also get a true deep dive and not just a second trailer to:
- demon's souls

Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 18, 2020, 08:09 PM
It was so quickly swept under the rug as being a "not good enough gamepass answer" that the PS+ collection has barely been mentioned in the last couple of days at all. But I think its pretty awesome and a great value offering for people to hop onto PS5. 18 of the best games of this gen all in PS+ subscription is awesome.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Sep 18, 2020, 08:20 PM
It was so quickly swept under the rug as being a "not good enough gamepass answer" that the PS+ collection has barely been mentioned in the last couple of days at all. But I think its pretty awesome and a great value offering for people to hop onto PS5. 18 of the best games of this gen all in PS+ subscription is awesome.
Yeah it's a good alternative to gamepass at launch. Gives people new to playstation a great selection of old games.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 18, 2020, 08:25 PM
Yeah it's a good alternative to gamepass at launch. Gives people new to playstation a great selection of old games.
Also even the average PS4 player. Attach ratio for PS4 is 11 and there's 18 games in this. I reckon at least 95% of PS4 owners have played less than 10 of the 18 games in the list, so there'll be some nice free games there for most people. Its like an amazing first month of free PS+ games, PS+ games are usually old anyway.

I personally played 10 of those games. I've been on the fence about Persona 5, TLG, Days Gone and Monster Hunter World before so I'm super happy I can play them all for free, Monster Hunter World in particular.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 18, 2020, 08:25 PM
Era is making me hate gamers.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Sep 18, 2020, 08:40 PM
Also even the average PS4 player. Attach ratio for PS4 is 11 and there's 18 games in this. I reckon at least 95% of PS4 owners have played less than 10 of the 18 games in the list, so there'll be some nice free games there for most people. Its like an amazing first month of free PS+ games, PS+ games are usually old anyway.

I personally played 10 of those games. I've been on the fence about Persona 5, TLG, Days Gone and Monster Hunter World before so I'm super happy I can play them all for free, Monster Hunter World in particular.
Yeah I'm excited for Days Gone, but it's the type of game I'd expect to see in PS+ anyway. Plus haven't a lot of these 18 games already been in PS+? I know TLOU has.
Era is making me hate gamers.  
Era is making me hate Era. Gamers tend to suck online but the site's moderation has been building this for years.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 18, 2020, 08:53 PM
Also even the average PS4 player. Attach ratio for PS4 is 11 and there's 18 games in this. I reckon at least 95% of PS4 owners have played less than 10 of the 18 games in the list, so there'll be some nice free games there for most people. Its like an amazing first month of free PS+ games, PS+ games are usually old anyway.

I personally played 10 of those games. I've been on the fence about Persona 5, TLG, Days Gone and Monster Hunter World before so I'm super happy I can play them all for free, Monster Hunter World in particular.
you're probably right.  i have like 300 ps4 games and even for me i'll be getting:

final fantasy XV
fallout 4
Mortal kombat X
Days Gone
Battle Field 1
Personal 5
Resident Evil 7

granted i don't have these to a certain extend i don't really want them but i'll at least try the bolded ones.


Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 18, 2020, 08:54 PM
Yeah I'm excited for Days Gone, but it's the type of game I'd expect to see in PS+ anyway. Plus haven't a lot of these 18 games already been in PS+? I know TLOU has.
Era is making me hate Era. Gamers tend to suck online but the site's moderation has been building this for years. 
not really.  infamous, the last of us, and until dawn afaik.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 18, 2020, 09:19 PM
Era is making me hate gamers.  
Anything specific? But yes Resetera is a trashpile of a forum. I actually don't remember when it was exactly, but some time ago I took a break from going there entirely for several months because reading it would legitimately give me headaches and ruin my mood at times.

Their moderation is a complete joke, probably because they know that keeping this trashfire going is what's driving traffic.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 18, 2020, 09:31 PM
Anything specific? But yes Resetera is a trashpile of a forum. I actually don't remember when it was exactly, but some time ago I took a break from going there entirely for several months because reading it would legitimately give me headaches and ruin my mood at times.

Their moderation is a complete joke, probably because they know that keeping this trashfire going is what's driving traffic.
Nothing specific.  

Just the whole outrage they've had over the past few days.  

"Jim's a liar who lies about everything."
"Why are they charging $70 for a Spiderman remaster.  It should be free!!!"
"Clearly it was implied when Jim said they were going to make something for next gen, they meant everything!"

Etc, resetera, etc.  
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Post by: DerNebel on Sep 18, 2020, 09:51 PM
Nothing specific. 

Just the whole outrage they've had over the past few days. 

"Jim's a liar who lies about everything."
"Why are they charging $70 for a Spiderman remaster.  It should be free!!!"
"Clearly it was implied when Jim said they were going to make something for next gen, they meant everything!"

Etc, resetera, etc. 
Ah, ok. Yeah all of that is ridiculous. These people are just trying to be outraged at everything.

One thing's for sure, anybody who still makes comments about how "Resetera is really just Sonyera" in 2020, hasn't visited that site in ages.

Sony seems to often be treated like public enemy number 1 on Era in 2020, a lot of people are really, really not subtle about their desire to see Sony fail nowadays.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Sep 18, 2020, 11:15 PM
I don't mind that on era since as you said, people are not subtle. Like this thread were comments are making fun of the op. People have good reason to dislike these Sony actions but it's just console warz.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ps5-weve-been-hoodwinked-bamboozled-led-astray-run-amok-and-flat-out-deceived.289994/
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 20, 2020, 02:26 PM
Apparently Geoff teased big PlayStation news tomorrow. But the tweet was deleted if it was ever there in the first place.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 20, 2020, 02:28 PM
Apparently Geoff teased big PlayStation news tomorrow. But the tweet was deleted if it was ever there in the first place.
I saw a screenshot of that on Reddit as well. No idea if it's real and what it would be about. Seems weird that he would delete it.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 20, 2020, 02:29 PM
Yeah could quite easily be faked, guess that'll be proven quite soon.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 20, 2020, 02:40 PM
Oh and apparently we're already back to games with no concrete release date being way off, lol.

I told someone on reddit, who said that Horizon was at least 1 to 2 years off, that he had no way of knowing that and was downvoted to oblivion for it. He replied by telling me the usual: "If Horizon was closer, they'd have shown gameplay" and "God of War can't be before 2022 because they only showed a logo".

It's like wednesday didn't happen with people still pretending like they have Sony's announcement to release strategy for games figured out.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 20, 2020, 02:56 PM
Oh and apparently we're already back to games with no concrete release date being way off, lol.

I told someone on reddit, who said that Horizon was at least 1 to 2 years off, that he had no way of knowing that and was downvoted to oblivion for it. He replied by telling me the usual: "If Horizon was closer, they'd have shown gameplay" and "God of War can't be before 2022 because they only showed a logo".

It's like wednesday didn't happen with people still pretending like they have Sony's announcement to release strategy for games figured out.
Yeah I mean of course things can slip but if we're given a 2021 date then its currently on track for 2021. I guess people got burned with a lot of delays this gen and this year particularly.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 20, 2020, 03:00 PM
Oh and apparently we're already back to games with no concrete release date being way off, lol.

I told someone on reddit, who said that Horizon was at least 1 to 2 years off, that he had no way of knowing that and was downvoted to oblivion for it. He replied by telling me the usual: "If Horizon was closer, they'd have shown gameplay" and "God of War can't be before 2022 because they only showed a logo".

It's like wednesday didn't happen with people still pretending like they have Sony's announcement to release strategy for games figured out.
Where?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 20, 2020, 03:21 PM
Where?
On the PS5 subreddit.

TooDrunkToTalk kommentiert PS5 Is Not Being Held Back, PS4 Is Too Successful to Ignore (https://de.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/iwccy0/ps5_is_not_being_held_back_ps4_is_too_successful/g5yxp9u/?context=3)

Btw. the Keighley screenshot is apparently fake.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 20, 2020, 03:29 PM
Lol at some of that comments in that chain. Apparently Sony "perfectly know" that God of War is 2022 and they just lied to sell more PS5s. Gosh there's so many people with inside info nowadays!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 20, 2020, 03:45 PM
Lol at some of that comments in that chain. Apparently Sony "perfectly know" that God of War is 2022 and they just lied to sell more PS5s. Gosh there's so many people with inside info nowadays!
Yeah, apparently everybody has totally figured Sony's marketing plan out, even though literally nobody would have guessed that they'd market/announce things for the PS5 the way they have up to this point.

We really need to stop pretending like we have these companies figured out, we haven't.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 23, 2020, 12:34 PM




Popular youtube channel creators will get to play ps5 for the first time.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Sep 23, 2020, 08:14 PM
People think Bluepoint are also remaking metal gear solid. Maybe it's true.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bluepoint-games-tweet-from-last-halloween-seems-to-lend-credence-to-the-metal-gear-solid-remake-rumors.293432/[/iurl]

 (https://www.resetera.com/threads/bluepoint-games-tweet-from-last-halloween-seems-to-lend-credence-to-the-metal-gear-solid-remake-rumors.293432/)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 23, 2020, 08:17 PM
People think Bluepoint are also remaking metal gear solid. Maybe it's true.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bluepoint-games-tweet-from-last-halloween-seems-to-lend-credence-to-the-metal-gear-solid-remake-rumors.293432/[/iurl]

 (https://www.resetera.com/threads/bluepoint-games-tweet-from-last-halloween-seems-to-lend-credence-to-the-metal-gear-solid-remake-rumors.293432/)
Yeah but that tweet teases like 8 games.  

It would actually be crazy if they had another game.

I'm blown away by what they're pulling off with DS with how small of a studio they are.  

If they have another game that is anywhere in production, that is crazy good.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 23, 2020, 10:39 PM
People think Bluepoint are also remaking metal gear solid. Maybe it's true.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bluepoint-games-tweet-from-last-halloween-seems-to-lend-credence-to-the-metal-gear-solid-remake-rumors.293432/[/iurl]

 (https://www.resetera.com/threads/bluepoint-games-tweet-from-last-halloween-seems-to-lend-credence-to-the-metal-gear-solid-remake-rumors.293432/)
Twisted metal is there. No gear
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 24, 2020, 12:55 PM
I was just thinking about my anticipation for PS5 and why I don't really feel excited. A big one is that we have barely even seen the console yet. I remember for PS4 I was most excited for the new features rather than the games; the share button, share play, proper party chat, rest mode with game resume, modular installing of games, the new much improved UI and more. Apart from knowing PS5 will be much faster with load times we don't really know anything and we've not even been shown any load time improvement or faster speeds in action, there's nothing to be excited for yet.

Also I was thinking about the games, I wasn't really excited about PS4 launch games so surely this time should be much better with an amazing 5 first party games and more next gen exclusives, but there's a problem with each of them:

- Astro is gonna be cool and fun but its not exciting graphically and its basically a pre-installed demo game so hard to get too excited
- Spidey MM is the game I'm most excited for, it looks so fun to play and its gonna be awesome. But its not full scope and its also on PS4, meaning I don't need a new PS5 to play it, so its not really a reason to be excited for PS5
- Sackboy, from the same guys who made LBP3 which was a pretty meh game so hard to be excited for this one. Also it looks like a PS4 game and is on PS4.
- Demon's Souls I am so excited for, it looks incredible. Yet I don't have it pre-ordered and my hype isn't building because its a complete rip off if I want to buy it now and I'm scared I will have to pay £70 for it and other games.
- Destruction All-Stars similar thing except it didn't even look like an old full price game never mind the new ridiculous full price, it needs to drop in price and I need to see much more of the game
- Godfall, again this looks like a great launch game that'd normally I'd be pumped for, but at £70... no thanks.

And there's no other games we know are coming at launch that I really care about and pretty much everything else will be cross gen. Its safe to say the price hike killed a lot of my excitement, without it I would be much more hyped right now. I'll still get excited once they finally show off the UI and all the features though (hopefully).
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 24, 2020, 01:09 PM
Also we thought the showcase would be the end of silent sony but its now been over a week of nothing except negative news about spidey remastered.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 24, 2020, 02:09 PM
New round of PS5 stock up for pre-order tomorrow morning it seems.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 24, 2020, 02:58 PM
New round of PS5 stock up for pre-order tomorrow morning it seems.
first year sales curve:
| 5
|    5
|         5
|  xx        5
|        xxxx  5
|                 x5  xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
|                     5
|                         555555555555555555 
-------------------------------------------------




Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 24, 2020, 08:24 PM
New round of PS5 stock up for pre-order tomorrow morning it seems.
Seems like it is global. GAME and amazon at least in the UK have a restock.

This'll be great to track on amazon to see how big the restock is.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 25, 2020, 02:16 AM
Quote
Second, one of the important energy efficient features of PS5 will be its ability to suspend and resume game play at just 0.5 W. When enabled this will be around 72% less than for PS4
PlayStation's One Year Update on "Playing for the Planet" - SIE Blog - English (https://www.sie.com/en/blog/playstations-one-year-update-on-playing-for-the-planet/)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Sep 25, 2020, 02:53 AM
Is that just because the ram doesn't need to be powered on?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 27, 2020, 06:01 PM
Every Souls game will be playable on PS5.  :-*
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 28, 2020, 03:50 AM
Probably not a crazy prediction.

But I expect if DS is successful, Sony will buy Bluepoint in the next few months.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Sep 28, 2020, 04:45 AM
Probably not a crazy prediction.

But I expect if DS is successful, Sony will buy Bluepoint in the next few months.
I wonder if bluepoint will start making original games or reimaginings like ff7.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: BananaKing on Sep 28, 2020, 05:46 AM
I wonder if bluepoint will start making original games or reimaginings like ff7.
IMO they arent worth the purchase unless they do.

Let them make a new DS or bloodborne after this in collaboration with Japan studios. If that works out buy them
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 28, 2020, 10:14 AM
(https://external-preview.redd.it/GqpsW_kbrjIj3jk3Zg1VeiJXsC88X0QFToBMk6I-PDk.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=86c63b9fd2169303879c821ca0162502d9da4aea)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 28, 2020, 01:39 PM
IMO they arent worth the purchase unless they do.

Let them make a new DS or bloodborne after this in collaboration with Japan studios. If that works out buy them
i don't know,. they've shown themselves quite successful at taking other peoples gameplay/stories and rebuilding them with high quality.  there is clearly a lot of developer talent in this studio.   what's unproven is if they have anyone with the creative chops to create a new franchise/gameplay/story from scratch.   personally i think creating a new franchise that resonates with the population is much harder.   how often has a new franchise appeared to be DoA because it is "generic" or whatever.

since they've only done remasters i highly doubt there is a highly talented creative leader in their studio.  they'd probably need to hire.   i'd imagine that's not an easy position to hire.

however, they could easily be a workhorse studio where they get brought into to santa montica, naughty dog, insomianc, sucker punch, ect when they have peak loads to push games to completion faster while also working on the next remaster.   it wouldn't be an acquisition i would be all that excited for but right now sony needs to up their first party to not get overrun by xbox.   sony still have much higher quality then xbox but they are going to need more than 1 AAA game a year to keep their market position.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 28, 2020, 03:02 PM
Where's the PS5 previews at Sony?!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 28, 2020, 03:04 PM
Where's the PS5 previews at Sony?!
Won't some japanese Youtubers get hands on at the end of the week?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 28, 2020, 03:05 PM
Won't some japanese Youtubers get hands on at the end of the week?
October 4th, but we don't even know what they can show and Japanese only would be annoying.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 28, 2020, 03:08 PM
October 4th, but we don't even know what they can show and Japanese only would be annoying.
Probably playing some Astrobot again? :D

Dunno, we'll see.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 28, 2020, 03:18 PM
October 4th, but we don't even know what they can show and Japanese only would be annoying.
Astrobot and they can only talk about the controller lol. That would be something
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 28, 2020, 04:12 PM
Probably playing some Astrobot again? :D

Dunno, we'll see.
Astrobot and they can only talk about the controller lol. That would be something
Yeah honestly considering 2020 Sony I would not be surprised.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Sep 28, 2020, 05:12 PM
(https://external-preview.redd.it/GqpsW_kbrjIj3jk3Zg1VeiJXsC88X0QFToBMk6I-PDk.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=86c63b9fd2169303879c821ca0162502d9da4aea)
Wish this was higher res.  :'(
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 28, 2020, 10:01 PM
So ps5 is sold out in Iceland and stores say they won't be getting more this year. Great
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 28, 2020, 10:02 PM
So ps5 is sold out in Iceland and stores say they won't be getting more this year. Great
Tell them you're a doctor.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 28, 2020, 10:16 PM
Tell them you're a doctor.
I need it for research purposes
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 29, 2020, 03:57 PM
Slam, smash, and boost your way to fame in Destruction AllStars, coming to PS5 - PlayStation.Blog (https://blog.playstation.com/2020/09/29/slam-smash-and-boost-your-way-to-fame-in-destruction-allstars-coming-to-ps5/)

Destruction Allstars blog post, doesn't really tell you too much that you couldn't infer from the trailer. Full price and MTX for this game is just such a weird decision, feels like its being sent out to die. A short blog post is not enough, hopefully this upcoming trailer they mentioned is a good one.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 29, 2020, 04:24 PM
Slam, smash, and boost your way to fame in Destruction AllStars, coming to PS5 - PlayStation.Blog (https://blog.playstation.com/2020/09/29/slam-smash-and-boost-your-way-to-fame-in-destruction-allstars-coming-to-ps5/)

Destruction Allstars blog post, doesn't really tell you too much that you couldn't infer from the trailer. Full price and MTX for this game is just such a weird decision, feels like its being sent out to die. A short blog post is not enough, hopefully this upcoming trailer they mentioned is a good one.
Have MTX's been confirmed? I know the game has an in-game currency which points to it, but that could still be used without MTX.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 29, 2020, 04:33 PM
Slam, smash, and boost your way to fame in Destruction AllStars, coming to PS5 - PlayStation.Blog (https://blog.playstation.com/2020/09/29/slam-smash-and-boost-your-way-to-fame-in-destruction-allstars-coming-to-ps5/)

Destruction Allstars blog post, doesn't really tell you too much that you couldn't infer from the trailer. Full price and MTX for this game is just such a weird decision, feels like its being sent out to die. A short blog post is not enough, hopefully this upcoming trailer they mentioned is a good one.
this honestly looks like it could be an amazing f2p game ala rocket league and go on to make tons of money.   but as a $70 ps5 exclusive this will fail to get much of an audience right away.  i'll bet match making will be difficult.   i cannot see this being entertaining to play solo as it appears to be 100% a multiplayer-centric game and that will be what kills it.  this has "flop" written all over it.   shame because the trailer makes it look fun to play.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 29, 2020, 04:38 PM
this honestly looks like it could be an amazing f2p game ala rocket league and go on to make tons of money.   but as a $70 ps5 exclusive this will fail to get much of an audience right away.  i'll bet match making will be difficult.   i cannot see this being entertaining to play solo as it appears to be 100% a multiplayer-centric game and that will be what kills it.  this has "flop" written all over it.   shame because the trailer makes it look fun to play.
It's a day 1 game. That will be a huge help.

Millions of extremely content hungry people with few things to choose from (people want new games with their new console) early on, will certainly lead a chunk of players to this game.

But I agree that I'm still missing the $70 sales pitch here.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 29, 2020, 05:04 PM
It's a day 1 game. That will be a huge help.

Millions of extremely content hungry people with few things to choose from (people want new games with their new console) early on, will certainly lead a chunk of players to this game.

But I agree that I'm still missing the $70 sales pitch here.
your point would be more valid to me if on day-1 i couldn't also get:
- spider man miles morales  (and spiderman remastered)
- demon's souls
- godfall
- assassin's creed
- CoD
- sackboy a big adventure

i don't know about everyone but I'll wager a vast majority of people would rank at least 2 games from that list as more desirable then destruction all-stars.  i doubt too many people buy 3+ games at launch.  really, this is a pretty awesome launch as far as launch line-ups go.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 29, 2020, 05:20 PM
your point would be more valid to me if on day-1 i couldn't also get:
- spider man miles morales  (and spiderman remastered)
- demon's souls
- godfall
- assassin's creed
- CoD
- sackboy a big adventure

i don't know about everyone but I'll wager a vast majority of people would rank at least 2 games from that list as more desirable then destruction all-stars.  i doubt too many people buy 3+ games at launch.  really, this is a pretty awesome launch as far as launch line-ups go.
Eh, I still wouldn't underestimate the power of being a launch game (that will be one of few next gen exclusives and likely fairly prominently featured in the consoles marketing at launch I imagine). There's also the period after launch after all, where for several weeks if not months, little to nothing will actually come out, which might push people to check this game out.

Speaking of launch.



This actually looks kinda charming and like something I could see myself getting in a quiet week around christmas.  ;D
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 29, 2020, 06:01 PM
Eh, I still wouldn't underestimate the power of being a launch game (that will be one of few next gen exclusives and likely be fairly prominently be featured in the consoles marketing at launch I imagine). There's also the period after launch after all, where for several weeks if not months, little to nothing will actually come out, which might push people to check this game out.

Speaking of launch.



This actually looks kinda charming and like something I could see myself getting in a quiet week around christmas.  ;D
yeah, i'm a big fan of little big planet and MM but i'm really, really happy to have a game entirely focused on play and not create, share.   i think this is going to be great and much more in line with tearaway then LBP3 and i think that's a great thing.

i suspected it but here is the prove that they picked up the best part of LBP in a vast array of costume options. 

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50383508192_999d5e5991_h.jpg)

for me this is a must play.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 29, 2020, 06:48 PM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/psblog-embark-on-an-epic-3d-platform-journey-in-sackboy-a-big-adventure-coming-to-ps5.297290/

Embark on an epic 3D platform journey in Sackboy: A Big Adventure, coming to PS5 - PlayStation.Blog (https://blog.playstation.com/2020/09/29/embark-on-an-epic-3d-platform-journey-in-sackboy-a-big-adventure-coming-to-ps5/)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 29, 2020, 06:52 PM
Demon's Souls - PS5 gameplay first look - PlayStation.Blog (https://blog.playstation.com/2020/09/16/demons-souls-ps5-gameplay-first-look/)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 29, 2020, 07:18 PM
Have MTX's been confirmed? I know the game has an in-game currency which points to it, but that could still be used without MTX.
Yes, on the store page.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 29, 2020, 08:53 PM
Yes, on the store page.
Ah yeah, just saw that.

I don't know, some really weird decisions with this game. If they are hiding the full price value somewhere, they are hiding it well. And if they are just thinking "well, it's a launch exclusive, might as well see how far we can push this" then I don't see the longterm benefit of that move.

Why not make it $30-40 with MTX's at least? I really hope they just haven't shown what makes this 'AAA' yet.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 30, 2020, 04:01 PM
A lot of store pages have went up.  

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-few-tidbits-of-new-info-on-some-of-sony-games-from-their-site.297791/

Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered detailed - PlayStation.Blog (https://blog.playstation.com/2020/09/30/marvels-spider-man-remastered-detailed/amp/?__twitter_impression=true)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 30, 2020, 04:53 PM
Era seems pretty surprised by the Remaster.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 30, 2020, 05:01 PM
Remaster is a big upgrade, but so weird and shocking to see a new face on Spidey.

The new face is obviously much higher in detail and looks much better but its gonna be so odd to adjust. Guess I will have to play Spidey Remastered now so its not weird when the sequel comes out.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 30, 2020, 05:27 PM
I don't understand their reasoning for changing actors. This new one looks too young. Seems like they're trying to make him  more like the movie Spidey.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 30, 2020, 05:39 PM
I don't understand their reasoning for changing actors. This new one looks too young. Seems like they're trying to make him  more like the movie Spidey.
They wanted him to match the actor so they could use face capture for better animations.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 30, 2020, 05:41 PM
They wanted him to match the actor so they could use face capture for better animations.  
So they found his twin?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 30, 2020, 05:52 PM
So they found his twin?
No they found an unreasonably attractive model who looks kind of like a young Yuri.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 30, 2020, 06:40 PM
No they found an unreasonably attractive model who looks kind of like a young Yuri.
(https://s1.gifyu.com/images/reface-2020-09-30-08-23-28.gif)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 30, 2020, 06:42 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 30, 2020, 06:48 PM
insomniac is killing it this gen.   
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: BananaKing on Sep 30, 2020, 06:55 PM
Wtf is this actors look.

Ps4 spidey was the best spidey ever IMO (excluding comics as I dont know them)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 30, 2020, 07:18 PM
I am kind of surprised how upset people are about the change.

insomniac is killing it this gen.  
It's crazy how much they're pulling out right now. A solid remaster, a new smaller game and a new Ratchet and Clank.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 30, 2020, 09:03 PM
Wtf is this actors look.

Ps4 spidey was the best spidey ever IMO (excluding comics as I dont know them)
Yeah its unrealistic how young (never mind pretty boy face) he is
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Sep 30, 2020, 09:13 PM
I am kind of surprised how upset people are about the change
Probably my biggest pet peeve in games. Far worse than anything George Lucas has done.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 30, 2020, 09:14 PM


People know f all about reflections.  ::)


Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Sep 30, 2020, 09:50 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjLtF0nWoAIQrvl?format=jpg&name=orig)

Oh woah that's bad looking. Hadn't seen that pic yet.

It's not screen space but the level of detail is really poor. Missing leafs,missing muscles, and the fingers/feet aren't aligned.


Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 30, 2020, 09:56 PM


People know f all about reflections.  ::)




well, it all depends on the angle.  would be interesting if in "photo mode" you could see it transition from the back to the front of the hand.

i feel like the comparision of a cut scene isn't that relavant.  would much prefer a comparision during gameplay.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 30, 2020, 09:57 PM
Yeah its unrealistic how young (never mind pretty boy face) he is
Unrealistic? Peter Parker is 23 in the game, not 40.

The face model is this guy, right?

Ben Jordan - MODELWERK (https://www.modelwerk.de/page/model-5660/Ben_Jordan.html)

That dude is 25 from what I can gather (and half nude in most of the pics I can find :D), is his face unrealistic for his age?

Movies and TV have really messed with our perception of what young people look like.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 30, 2020, 10:01 PM


People know f all about reflections.  ::)




Lol from that angle that's normal

Unrealistic? Peter Parker is 23 in the game, not 40.

The face model is this guy, right?

Ben Jordan - MODELWERK (https://www.modelwerk.de/page/model-5660/Ben_Jordan.html)

That dude is 25 from what I can gather (and half nude in most of the pics I can find :D), is his face unrealistic for his age?

Movies and TV have really messed with our perception of what young people look like.
Lol yeah it is unrealistic for his age!

But he looks younger than miles now lol. Supposed to be a big bro figure

But for some reason he looks way younger in the game than in the model photos. Must be the skin being too smooth or something
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 30, 2020, 10:29 PM
Yeah its unrealistic how young (never mind pretty boy face) he is
Peter is 23, he looks 23. Source: am a 22 year old who knows lots of people around my age.

He definitely doesn't look young than Miles, you need your eyes checking or something.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 30, 2020, 10:33 PM
Peter is 23, he looks 23. Source: am a 22 year old who knows lots of people around my age.

He definitely doesn't look young than Miles, you need your eyes checking or something.
Redirect Notice (https://images.app.goo.gl/hU7UiqMB1vAUaFZR7)

Well they look about the same age.
Maybe old spidey looked too old for 23. But the worst part is that they changed the look of a character many people loved for apparently no reason
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 30, 2020, 10:35 PM
Redirect Notice (https://images.app.goo.gl/hU7UiqMB1vAUaFZR7)

Well they look about the same age.
Maybe old spidey looked too old for 23. But the worst part is that they changed the look of a character many people loved for apparently no reason
I gave the reason right here:
They wanted him to match the actor so they could use face capture for better animations.  
Watch the video!  

Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 30, 2020, 10:37 PM
I gave the reason right here:
Watch the video!  


I know but it just sounds like a battleship reason since the other one worked very well with great facial animations before
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 30, 2020, 10:38 PM
Redirect Notice (https://images.app.goo.gl/hU7UiqMB1vAUaFZR7)

Well they look about the same age.
Maybe old spidey looked too old for 23. But the worst part is that they changed the look of a character many people loved for apparently no reason
By my eye: old spidey looked late twenties, new spidey looks early twenties, Miles looks late teens. Also that picture makes Miles look older than he does in motion as we saw in the demo.



Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 30, 2020, 10:42 PM
Redirect Notice (https://images.app.goo.gl/hU7UiqMB1vAUaFZR7)

Well they look about the same age.
Maybe old spidey looked too old for 23. But the worst part is that they changed the look of a character many people loved for apparently no reason
I'd put that more on Miles looking old for a 16 year old (at least in that pic) than Peter looking too young for his age.

And they've given a reason, it's just that it's a technical one that for most people is hard to grasp.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 30, 2020, 10:42 PM
Seems to me like with next gen higher fidelity and better modelling, it started to look weird with the voice coming out of Peter's mouth. Perhaps they decided it just didn't match and wasn't believable. I've definitely had some times in games or animation where I think there's no way this person would have this voice.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 30, 2020, 10:47 PM
I didn't even know the PP actor didn't look like that original look lol. Voice seemed completely believable. They didn't use face capture in the PS4 version? Definitely seemed like they did, and with other characters as well like doc oc
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Sep 30, 2020, 10:50 PM
I didn't even know the PP actor didn't look like that original look lol. Voice seemed completely believable. They didn't use face capture in the PS4 version? Definitely seemed like they did, and with other characters as well like doc oc
All the mocap is done by Yuri, so they animate the facial expressions and movements based on what Yuri does when he's delivering the lines. With a face that's shaped so differently to his with quite different bone structure, you can imagine how it'd start to look bad/ weird when they try to make animations more detailed and nuanced. I guess its more of a fault of them picking the wrong face model first time round and not thinking ahead about this being a potential problem.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 01, 2020, 01:37 AM
Funnily enough. The new PP looks a bit like Pezus.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 01, 2020, 02:01 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjL23n8WsAI5ViF?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: BananaKing on Oct 01, 2020, 03:03 AM
The skin shader, hair and lighting look fantastic on the PS5 model. Shame the model itself is worse
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Oct 01, 2020, 03:32 AM
The skin shader, hair and lighting look fantastic on the PS5 model. Shame the model itself is worse
Getting their money's worth with blend shapes too. Just look at that deformed skin around the forehead and neck.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 01, 2020, 08:21 AM
The skin shader, hair and lighting look fantastic on the PS5 model. Shame the model itself is worse
The model is better.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 01, 2020, 10:09 AM
Funnily enough. The new PP looks a bit like Pezus.
Haha I don't agree

I think the old model looks more like me but overall not much
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: BananaKing on Oct 01, 2020, 12:08 PM
The model is better.
I dont mean quality wise. I mean look wise.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 01, 2020, 03:37 PM


On PC/PlayStation 4/5
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 01, 2020, 06:12 PM
I dont mean quality wise. I mean look wise.
I suppose that is subjective, but I think its better.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 01, 2020, 10:02 PM


On PC/PlayStation 4/5
I have so many games I'm interested in playing that come out on PS5 launch day. Gonna wait for reviews to be sure for most of them but I think I'll be playing through new games non-stop for months. The Pathless looked awesome, if its cheap/ PS+ I'll play it for sure.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 02, 2020, 03:09 PM
This might mean absolutely nothing.  And it probably does. 

Cory Barlog changed his Twitter stuff. 

twitter (https://mobile.twitter.com/corybarlog)

Rumor is that he isn't directing God of War Ragnarok. This was suggested when he tweeted out this:
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 02, 2020, 03:14 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 02, 2020, 03:38 PM
This might mean absolutely nothing.  And it probably does.  

Cory Barlog changed his Twitter stuff.  

twitter (https://mobile.twitter.com/corybarlog)

Rumor is that he isn't directing God of War Ragnarok. This was suggested when he tweeted out this:


Sony guy on Era said Cory is directing God of War 2.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 02, 2020, 04:03 PM
Sony guy on Era said Cory is directing God of War 2.
True but it's always possible he was making a tease.

Or maybe he has something lined up for after.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: BananaKing on Oct 02, 2020, 04:33 PM
I think cory should stay on GoW. And another team should make a new IP
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 02, 2020, 05:33 PM
Sad.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/vgc-the-former-lead-designer-of-ps5%E2%80%99s-kena-claims-he-was-%E2%80%98maliciously-forced-out%E2%80%99.299336/
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 02, 2020, 08:00 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 02, 2020, 08:10 PM
(https://i.redd.it/l5lk0g4k9qq51.jpg)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 02, 2020, 08:11 PM
Leaks ahoy?!

Guy is claiming 625 GB storage space.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: DerNebel on Oct 02, 2020, 08:17 PM
Leaks ahoy?!

Guy is claiming 625 GB storage space.
What guy?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 02, 2020, 08:22 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/hcLdSJm/CFE5363-C-17-A2-4426-934-A-B7-BA1-DD06249.jpg)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 02, 2020, 08:24 PM
This would be an incredibly well done fake.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 02, 2020, 08:25 PM
What guy?
Some exclusive : PS5 (https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/j40guv/some_exclusive/)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 02, 2020, 08:31 PM

This is separate and fake for sure.

It could all be fake, someone could have 3D printed this stuff based off pictures we have.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: DerNebel on Oct 02, 2020, 08:51 PM
Some exclusive : PS5 (https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/j40guv/some_exclusive/)
That dude is asking people for money for a video of the UI and the console....

Edit: Or maybe I should say "console".
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 02, 2020, 08:53 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/GnzwSp0/099-C0-E3-E-33-EA-4194-9-DEB-A8-ED01983308.jpg)

The plot thickens.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 02, 2020, 08:58 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/GnzwSp0/099-C0-E3-E-33-EA-4194-9-DEB-A8-ED01983308.jpg)

The plot thickens.
idk where people on Era are getting a lot of these images from.

This still looks very fake to me.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 02, 2020, 09:02 PM
we're only a few weeks out from release.  to have someone "aquire" it early isn't that out of the realm of possibilities.  things need to be moving through distributions channels by now.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 02, 2020, 09:05 PM
We already know PS5 got sent out to Japanese YouTubers.
And maybe some others as well.

We are probably like a day and a half from this being confirmed or denied.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 02, 2020, 09:10 PM
Why the black controller? I kind of want it
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: DerNebel on Oct 02, 2020, 09:27 PM
They could post a short video, that would be a lot harder to fake and more believable.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 02, 2020, 10:25 PM
I mean, why is this so hyped? Aren't they gonna release YouTube impressions soon?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 02, 2020, 10:27 PM
when you stop to think about it.  the most ridiculous thing about the situation is we are less than 6 weeks until release and it's even possible to have a "leak" of such basic information..
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 02, 2020, 10:44 PM
when you stop to think about it.  the most ridiculous thing about the situation is we are less than 6 weeks until release and it's even possible to have a "leak" of such basic information..
And people here told me Sony had told us everything we need to know lol
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 02, 2020, 11:18 PM
And people here told me Sony had told us everything we need to know lol
who claimed sony has shown the OS?  

if I remember the post correctly it was along the lines of what more do YOU need to know to know you want a ps5. 
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 02, 2020, 11:23 PM
who claimed sony has shown the OS?  

if I remember the post correctly it was along the lines of what more do YOU need to know to know you want a ps5.
I mean I wanted ps5 before it was announced. Still doesn't mean I don't wanna know everything about it
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 03, 2020, 01:16 AM
That dude is asking people for money for a video of the UI and the console....

Edit: Or maybe I should say "console".
Someone paid apparently.

PS5 UI Startup Leak (Video) : PS5 (https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/j46cwp/ps5_ui_startup_leak_video/)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 03, 2020, 01:27 AM
Someone paid apparently.

PS5 UI Startup Leak (Video) : PS5 (https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/j46cwp/ps5_ui_startup_leak_video/)
slower than i was expecting. animation should be smoother.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 03, 2020, 11:08 AM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ps5-has-664-gb-usable-storage-astros-playroom-2-4-gb.299723/
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 03, 2020, 11:26 AM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ps5-has-664-gb-usable-storage-astros-playroom-2-4-gb.299723/
I was close. Said the OS would take up more than before
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 03, 2020, 11:30 AM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ps5-has-664-gb-usable-storage-astros-playroom-2-4-gb.299723/
Pretty good, OS is indeed still smaller than xbox then (by 24GB). 138GB storage difference between the two, that's two big games. Not too bad.

Also I guess all the OS leaks are real, so 20 seconds cold boot matching xbox seems to be correct as well. Was expecting better.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 03, 2020, 11:39 AM
Pretty good, OS is indeed still smaller than xbox then (by 24GB). 138GB storage difference between the two, that's two big games. Not too bad.

Also I guess all the OS leaks are real, so 20 seconds cold boot matching xbox seems to be correct as well. Was expecting better.
Maybe. Could be a bunch of things.

An elaborate fake.  

Could just be an early OS too.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 03, 2020, 11:40 AM
Maybe. Could be a bunch of things.

An elaborate fake.  

Could just be an early OS too.
Its so weird this shame is happening 5 weeks before launch. Also tomorrow we have lots of hands on videos going out but its only Japanese youtubers which is just baffling.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 03, 2020, 01:05 PM
Some people on Era are now saying its actually like this:


XSX = 1024 GiB physical (1100 GB) = 920 GiB available for system = 802 GiB free for players (OS = 118 GiB)
 PS5 = 768 GiB physical (825 GB) = 690 GiB available for system = 664 GiB free for players (OS = 26 GiB)

Not sure which of this is true.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: DerNebel on Oct 03, 2020, 01:14 PM
Its so weird this shame is happening 5 weeks before launch. Also tomorrow we have lots of hands on videos going out but its only Japanese youtubers which is just baffling.
It becomes less baffling if you consider that they didn't send those Youtubers the console but invited them in for a local event.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 03, 2020, 01:19 PM
Some people on Era are now saying its actually like this:


XSX = 1024 GiB physical (1100 GB) = 920 GiB available for system = 802 GiB free for players (OS = 118 GiB)
 PS5 = 768 GiB physical (825 GB) = 690 GiB available for system = 664 GiB free for players (OS = 26 GiB)

Not sure which of this is true.
The latter seems to be roughly true.  

The former I don't think is.  But it's hard to say. Manufacturers very often will use GB to mean GiB.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 03, 2020, 01:40 PM
The latter seems to be roughly true.  

The former I don't think is.  But it's hard to say. Manufacturers very often will use GB to mean GiB.  
I think MS did specify they are 512/1024 systems which means this makes the most sense. Also we know that PS OS should be dramatically smaller as is standard.
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Post by: Legend on Oct 03, 2020, 02:10 PM
I think MS did specify they are 512/1024 systems which means this makes the most sense. Also we know that PS OS should be dramatically smaller as is standard.
Xbox expansion card has ~920 gb of free space in the ign video. Would make sense that internal is the same.
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 03, 2020, 02:19 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 03, 2020, 02:21 PM
Pretty good, OS is indeed still smaller than xbox then (by 24GB). 138GB storage difference between the two, that's two big games. Not too bad.

Also I guess all the OS leaks are real, so 20 seconds cold boot matching xbox seems to be correct as well. Was expecting better.
seems like many of the big games like CoD are going to be 100+ Gb so maybe closer to 1 game.

I was fine with the space i had on ps4.  ps5 has marginally more space and games will be marginally bigger.  i think i'll be fine regardless.  to me it doesn't make sense to have 50 games downloaded and the space availble is enough for me to have 20 games at a time (since i play a lot of indie games and those are tiny).   

the only think i hope for is ps5 has a better patching system.  back when i played destiny patches were every few weeks.  i had to keep a minimum 80 Gb free in order to download the 1 gb patches in order to keep playing.    annoyed the crud out of me.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 03, 2020, 02:55 PM
seems like many of the big games like CoD are going to be 100+ Gb so maybe closer to 1 game.

I was fine with the space i had on ps4.  ps5 has marginally more space and games will be marginally bigger.  i think i'll be fine regardless.  to me it doesn't make sense to have 50 games downloaded and the space availble is enough for me to have 20 games at a time (since i play a lot of indie games and those are tiny).  

the only think i hope for is ps5 has a better patching system.  back when i played destiny patches were every few weeks.  i had to keep a minimum 80 Gb free in order to download the 1 gb patches in order to keep playing.    annoyed the crud out of me.
We've known for a long time that PS5 fixes this.

Xbox expansion card has ~920 gb of free space in the ign video. Would make sense that internal is the same.
idk if that's just conversion or whether this 10% free space thing is legit.
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Post by: kitler53 on Oct 03, 2020, 03:16 PM
We've known for a long time that PS5 fixes this.
have we?  i either missed or forgot.  good to know this is coming though.   as far as i'm concerned that is an extra 75 Gb of space relative to ps4.   i should be more than good for next gen.

i feel like we know this too but i'm not certain i'm right,..   BC ps4 games can be installed on a normal (non  SSD) harddrive right?   I have an extra Tb laying around from my ps3 days that i'm not using.   If i can play ps4 games off of it i might just download my favorites to have them easily available.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 03, 2020, 03:23 PM
the only think i hope for is ps5 has a better patching system.  back when i played destiny patches were every few weeks.  i had to keep a minimum 80 Gb free in order to download the 1 gb patches in order to keep playing.    annoyed the crud out of me.
It does.

It was mentioned in the Cerny talk.



11:26
idk if that's just conversion or whether this 10% free space thing is legit.
It is.  :P

SSDs have "overpovisioning" for a few reasons. 

Part of it has to do with the way that SSDs write data. Data is written on a higher level than reading. So if you want to make a change to a file, you have to make a copy of the file with the new changes in a new spot.

Imagine when you write, you have to fill an entire notebook. 

You have a notebook already with a few pages written in. 

In order to update that notebook, you need to start a new notebook, copy the old info and the new changes in one go, and then wipe the old notebook. 

So in order to work you need to have a notebook of space available. 
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 03, 2020, 04:01 PM
It does.

It was mentioned in the Cerny talk.



11:26It is.  :P

SSDs have "overpovisioning" for a few reasons.  

Part of it has to do with the way that SSDs write data. Data is written on a higher level than reading. So if you want to make a change to a file, you have to make a copy of the file with the new changes in a new spot.

Imagine when you write, you have to fill an entire notebook.  

You have a notebook already with a few pages written in.  

In order to update that notebook, you need to start a new notebook, copy the old info and the new changes in one go, and then wipe the old notebook.  

So in order to work you need to have a notebook of space available.  
My "1TB" SSD and HDD in my PC both have 931GB space available due to the actual GiB units and conversion stuff. Does this mean that the SSD is actually is actually 10% more space than the HDD but it just hides it?
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 03, 2020, 04:11 PM
My "1TB" SSD and HDD in my PC both have 931GB space available due to the actual GiB units and conversion stuff. Does this mean that the SSD is actually is actually 10% more space than the HDD but it just hides it?
Varies by manufacturer.  
Some will sell the drives advertised with less space.  

Some will sell a 256 GB drive as a 240 GB SSD after the provisioning. So you get the space you expect.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 03, 2020, 04:13 PM
Varies by manufacturer.  
Some will sell the drives advertised with less space.  

Some will sell a 256 GB drive as a 240 GB SSD after the provisioning. So you get the space you expect.  

Right but in this case we have confusion over whether the XSX SSD is actually 1TB or not.

They state 1TB but some people are saying its 4*256GB=1099.5GB=1024GiB. aka its "actually" 1.1TB while PS5 is "actually" 825GB so XSX is a actually even bigger than we thought. I can't find any verification on whether this is true.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 03, 2020, 04:25 PM
Right but in this case we have confusion over whether the XSX SSD is actually 1TB or not.

They state 1TB but some people are saying its 4*256GB=1099.5GB=1024GiB. aka its "actually" 1.1TB while PS5 is "actually" 825GB so XSX is a actually even bigger than we thought. I can't find any verification on whether this is true.
Considering the math matches up perfectly with the memory card, I am inclined to believe it's the case.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 03, 2020, 04:26 PM
Okay so I read up on it a bit. It seems like SSD size quotes from manufacturers normally account for the recquisite spare area which an SSD reserves, like Microsoft are calling their SSD a 1TB when actually in structure it is 256GiB x 4 =1024GiB = 1099.5GB or 1.1TB in decimal units.

PS5's SSD in structure is 64GiB x 12 = 768 GiB = 825GB in decimal units.

Microsoft's 1.1TB decimal SSD is pretty standard for a quoted 1TB drive, while for PS5's SSD you'd actually expect it to be quoted at 750GB by most manufacturers, so Sony are being a bit cheeky it seems.

After the SSD reserves its spare area, XSX has about 930 GiB left (~1TB) while PS5 has about 700 GiB left (~750GB). So XSX chip is "effectively" bigger by 230GiB or 250GB in decimal.

However, XSX reserves 128GiB for its OS for a remaining 802GiB for games storage available to consumers. According to this leak, if 664GiB game storage is right then PS5 only reserves 36GiB for its OS.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 03, 2020, 04:55 PM
Its so weird this shame is happening 5 weeks before launch. Also tomorrow we have lots of hands on videos going out but its only Japanese youtubers which is just baffling.
I'm sure you read already.

Someone on era suggested they haven't shown western demos because they aren't complete yet.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: DerNebel on Oct 03, 2020, 05:07 PM
I'm sure you read already.

Someone on era suggested they haven't shown western demos because they aren't complete yet.  
Someone who would know? Cause that sounds strange to me.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 03, 2020, 05:19 PM
Someone who would know? Cause that sounds strange to me.
Nah. It was just someone's suggestion. Not a matter of fact.

Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 03, 2020, 06:28 PM
Nah. It was just someone's suggestion. Not a matter of fact.


So nothing new for sony lol
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 03, 2020, 07:39 PM
Quote
Only feedback I got was "it looks slow [compared to the real thing]".
Nice.  :o
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Post by: Xevross on Oct 03, 2020, 08:21 PM
Nice.  :o
Where's this from?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 03, 2020, 08:43 PM
Where's this from?
https://www.resetera.com/threads/reddit-ps5-ui-start-up-leak-video-in-russian.299579/page-12#post-47499092
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 03, 2020, 09:06 PM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/reddit-ps5-ui-start-up-leak-video-in-russian.299579/page-12#post-47499092
I see, interesting. So perhaps its a real early prototype or a fake based on the real thing or something like that.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 04, 2020, 09:23 AM
Japan thing was as expected, just games and some impressions.

We heard from 4gamer and famitsu that during their 1hr+ playing they heard zero fan noise. 4gamer said the console was also still cold to the touch after 80 minutes. Some pics:

(https://i.imgur.com/qzbM8oA.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/Pt0z8FT.png)
(https://www.4gamer.net/games/990/G999027/20201002016/TN/004.jpg)

Video showing some load times in Astro/ Godfall:
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Post by: Xevross on Oct 04, 2020, 12:06 PM
Dualsense has light pips below the touchpad. Unconfirmed but could be a player indicator:

Player 1
(https://i.imgur.com/UATY5Ei.jpeg)

Player 2
(https://i.imgur.com/D8UQNUi.jpeg)

Player 4
(https://i.imgur.com/14lrnjB.jpeg)

The Dualsense is frickin gorgeous.
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Post by: DerNebel on Oct 04, 2020, 12:58 PM
Don't worry guys, Resetera has already picked their outrage topic for the day.

Oh and btw. Astrobot looks fun. Hopefully they get to make a full fledged game for the IP next.

Spoiler for Large GIF:
(https://i.redd.it/fkrpedvkf2r51.gif)


Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 04, 2020, 01:32 PM
so no videos worth watching or I just need to look for them myself?

 that dual sense player identification looks Soo much better than on ps4.  I'll be able to see it while playing. 
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 04, 2020, 02:06 PM
Don't worry guys, Resetera has already picked their outrage topic for the day.

Oh and btw. Astrobot looks fun. Hopefully they get to make a full fledged game for the IP next.

Spoiler for Large GIF:
(https://i.redd.it/fkrpedvkf2r51.gif)



Yeah Astro looks great, can't wait to play it.
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Post by: BananaKing on Oct 04, 2020, 02:16 PM
shame. The ps5 looks great. And yeah that number player identification looks great, much better than PS4

Almost as good as ps3
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 04, 2020, 02:17 PM
If Astrobot is half as good as the VR game, ya'll are in for a treat.

I honestly like Astrobot better than Super Mario Galaxy.

so no videos worth watching or I just need to look for them myself?

 that dual sense player identification looks Soo much better than on ps4.  I'll be able to see it while playing.
Haven't really seen any videos worth watching.

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The notable things were:
- SSD demonstration, Astrobot down to ~2.5 seconds
- real life images of DS, PS5
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 04, 2020, 03:17 PM
In retrospect, I'm leaning towards those PS5 leaks being a test unit or something along those lines.  
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 04, 2020, 04:24 PM
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 05, 2020, 07:36 PM
Updated with a timer. 

Put it a few hours ahead because some people are European.

Edit forgot some people aren't European /s
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Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 05, 2020, 07:51 PM
Updated with a timer.  

Put it a few hours ahead because some people are European.
We get it later though  >:(
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 05, 2020, 08:01 PM
We get it later though  >:(
I forgot.  Some in eastern Asia are getting it same day as US. 
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 05, 2020, 08:09 PM
Updated with a timer.  

Put it a few hours ahead because some people are European.

Edit forgot some people aren't European /s
wait what?  what the literal crud is going on here?!?  last i read we still don't have proof life exists outside of America:

https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=1798.msg257684#new
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 05, 2020, 08:28 PM
wait what?  what the literal crud is going on here?!?  last i read we still don't have proof life exists outside of America:

https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=1798.msg257684#new
There's a big difference between aliens and illegal aliens.
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Post by: Xevross on Oct 06, 2020, 10:13 AM


This is much better than I expected.
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Post by: kitler53 on Oct 06, 2020, 01:44 PM


This is much better than I expected.
eh, worse than i expected.  at some point sony said it was a fully game.   4-5 over 4 worlds means an hour per world.  makes it sounds like a "connected demo" compared to the ps4 one that was 4-5 mini games.  i was expected 10 hours of playtime.  something with just a bit of meat on it.

...then again i'm always like 2x to 3x longer than what other people project as their time to play a game so maybe it's just me.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 06, 2020, 01:51 PM
Some people were expecting a 2 hour thing.

I was hoping for something closer to Astrobot: RM's playlength.
This is a bit closer to half.  

Oh well. Still excited.

Quote
On the PS5, you'll be able to experience 3D Audio with the headphones that many of you already own, either through USB connection to the console, or by plugging your headphones into the DualSense wireless controller's 3.5mm headset jack.

Headphone audio is the current gold standard for 3D Audio on PS5, as Mark Cerny mentioned in his "Road to PS5" talk in March. We're also in the process of working on virtual surround sound through speakers that are built into TVs. Although TV speaker virtual surround sound won't be available on launch day for PS5, it's still a feature we are extremely excited about, and our engineers are hard at work on bringing it to PS5 in the future.

In the meantime, I'm happy to say that you'll be able to enjoy the PS5's Tempest 3D AudioTech through your compatible headphones in many PS5 games. Some of the PS5 games with 3D Audio features include Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales, Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered, Astro's Playroom, Gran Turismo 7, Returnal, Destruction AllStars, Demon's Souls, Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart, Sackboy: A Big Adventure, Horizon Forbidden West, Resident Evil Village, and many others
Experience PS5's Tempest 3D AudioTech with compatible headsets at launch, TV Virtual Surround Sound coming after launch - PlayStation.Blog (https://blog.playstation.com/2020/10/06/experience-ps5s-tempest-3d-audiotech-with-compatible-headsets-at-launch-tv-virtual-surround-sound-coming-after-launch/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PSBlog+%28PlayStation.Blog%29)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 06, 2020, 03:36 PM
eh, worse than i expected.  at some point sony said it was a fully game.   4-5 over 4 worlds means an hour per world.  makes it sounds like a "connected demo" compared to the ps4 one that was 4-5 mini games.  i was expected 10 hours of playtime.  something with just a bit of meat on it.

...then again i'm always like 2x to 3x longer than what other people project as their time to play a game so maybe it's just me.
Sony never said that. All we had was Keighley saying its a multi-hour game not just a tech demo.

You must have been out of the loop on this, practically everyone was expecting this to be a short 2-3 hour affair, if that.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 06, 2020, 03:39 PM
Sony never said that. All we had was Keighley saying its a multi-hour game not just a tech demo.

You must have been out of the loop on this, practically everyone was expecting this to be a short 2-3 hour affair, if that.
sony announced this at their first game announcement thing.  that sets an expectation.  maybe the rest of ya'll were dismissive but that because ya'll hate sony.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 06, 2020, 08:16 PM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-studios-ot14-lets-be-honest-ot13-could-have-been-a-lot-smoother.292115/page-284#post-47717801
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 06, 2020, 08:46 PM
sony announced this at their first game announcement thing.  that sets an expectation.  maybe the rest of ya'll were dismissive but that because ya'll hate sony.
I don't recall them saying anything like that.
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 06, 2020, 09:12 PM
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4836/39891228403_12f092a56a_o.gif)
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 07, 2020, 01:52 AM
Gamereactor has made an article detailing leaked information they've received, about upcoming games. : GamingLeaksAndRumours (https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/comments/gywi6a/gamereactor_has_made_an_article_detailing_leaked/)

This was interesting.
Everything right except Silent Hill coming.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: BananaKing on Oct 07, 2020, 02:21 AM
Do we think Sony will buy housemarque? Seems like Sony is interested in evolving the studio.

Sony needs to expand its first party after MS bought Bethesda. They tried making their studios into 2 team studios but that didn't pan out. They have some really strong IPs now, but they need more quantity at the same quality.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Oct 07, 2020, 04:38 AM
Do we think Sony will buy housemarque? Seems like Sony is interested in evolving the studio.

Sony needs to expand its first party after MS bought Bethesda. They tried making their studios into 2 team studios but that didn't pan out. They have some really strong IPs now, but they need more quantity at the same quality.
They need to branch out.

Multiplayer, open ended rpgs, and systemic games? Sony is forgettable. They have so many amazing games where the player is told what to do, but they have nothing to compete with Bethesda's focus on player freedom.

I don't think housemarque needs to be bought but they would help add a bit of variety to Sony first party. Hopefully their rouguelite is cool.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 07, 2020, 04:40 AM
Do we think Sony will buy housemarque? Seems like Sony is interested in evolving the studio.

Sony needs to expand its first party after MS bought Bethesda. They tried making their studios into 2 team studios but that didn't pan out. They have some really strong IPs now, but they need more quantity at the same quality.
housemarque has been a good studio for sony.  i think returnal is a huge step up for them in size of a project.  if it is good and well recieved i could see sony buying them.  seems like a better choice than most at least.

i still think q-games would be a good add too.  all of the pixaljunk games were good.  i know they aren't AAA but mid size projects are still good.  i think sony need more of these mid sized projects.  i really miss efforts like echochrome from sony.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: BananaKing on Oct 07, 2020, 04:52 AM
The issue with those mid sized games is that a lot weren't really successful orornor profitable.

While they don't need to buy housemarque games, they could also be lost as devs who do exclusives like what happened with quantic dream or even insomniac with sunset overdrive (I really hope sony can bring this to PS).

I agree, they need multiplayer focused games. But their current offerings are making them a lot of money and that route seems the safest to them.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 07, 2020, 08:39 AM
Sony tried a lot of multiplayer in PS3 that generally failed
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: DerNebel on Oct 07, 2020, 10:59 AM
I don't like it but in the current market Sony will need to start buying more and more aggressively, it's really inevitable mid to long term if they want to keep holding on to being a platform holder.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 07, 2020, 11:09 AM
Sony have a reputation now, multiplayer and RPGs don't fit into that. I don't think people would trust Sony to put out a game of their usual high quality in those genres and besides we have so many of them from other devs anyway.

Buying more devs who are well known with these genres would work but their current studios should stick with what they're currently doing, its immensley successful.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 07, 2020, 01:57 PM
The issue with those mid sized games is that a lot weren't really successful orornor profitable.

While they don't need to buy housemarque games, they could also be lost as devs who do exclusives like what happened with quantic dream or even insomniac with sunset overdrive (I really hope sony can bring this to PS).

I agree, they need multiplayer focused games. But their current offerings are making them a lot of money and that route seems the safest to them.
the key to have a huge user base is to have something for everyone not everything for someone.  

so sony should see themselves as a counter weight to the rest of the industry.  get or make games in the areas not well represented on their platform.  i disagree that sony needs to do multiplayer.  i mean they can try if they want to but,.. between CoD, fornight, rocket league, and fall guys there is a ton of high quality multiplayer on playstation.  multiplayer more than anything has a cap on how many games can be supported because it requires a community to play.   i think uncharted 4 mp did quite well too.  but all  in all this doesn't need to be a huge focus for sony.

where i think sony (and ms) are really weak are frankly the areas nintendo does well.  kids games.  platformers.  adventure games. rpgs.   i mean, i don't want a switch but my kid is 6 now and we have almost finished all of the lego games.  i'll probably have get him a switch for his birthday so that we can keep gaming together.

i think sony is also weak in the low/mid teir games.  indie does in fact scratch at this area but also indie is like 1000% more on pc than playstation and the truely good games are far and few between.  but these games are cheap to make.  supergiant games put out 3 well received games this gen and are only a 20 person studio.  sony could afford to have 5 of these studios around and have a new game to ship about every 5 months.   i'm not sure how nintendo took the indie crown from playstation but sony should work to earn it back.  



Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 07, 2020, 02:07 PM
Sony have a reputation now, multiplayer and RPGs don't fit into that. I don't think people would trust Sony to put out a game of their usual high quality in those genres and besides we have so many of them from other devs anyway.

Buying more devs who are well known with these genres would work but their current studios should stick with what they're currently doing, its immensley successful.
i dunno about that.  GG made a massive transition from KZ to H:ZD.   and that was very well received.   same with GoW.   I think transitions can be fine.

...but getting into new genres should necessarily come as the expense of have a high quality studio keep doing their great work.  my problem with sony right now is if you list their top games this generation:
- uncharted
- TLoU
- horizon
- GoW
- days gone
- GoT
- spider man

...you see a lot of third person open world games.  it's a great genre to be working in but i feel like it's over represented in sony's first party.   they need a bit more variety. 
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 07, 2020, 02:52 PM
i dunno about that.  GG made a massive transition from KZ to H:ZD.   and that was very well received.   same with GoW.   I think transitions can be fine.

...but getting into new genres should necessarily come as the expense of have a high quality studio keep doing their great work.  my problem with sony right now is if you list their top games this generation:
- uncharted
- TLoU
- horizon
- GoW
- days gone
- GoT
- spider man

...you see a lot of third person open world games.  it's a great genre to be working in but i feel like it's over represented in sony's first party.   they need a bit more variety.  
Guerrilla move was good but it shouldn't be the norm, most studios have found what they're best at now. God of War wasn't too much of a transition either.

Yes you do see a lot of similar games which was exactly my point and I see that as a good thing. People know Sony are the best at these games, if its a completely different genre then the guarantee is lost.

Also you are missing GT7 & Driveclub as top racing games, R&C, Astro Bot and LBP/Sackboy as platformers. Also an action adventure Uncharted is very different to a game like Ghost of Tsushima. The Last of Us and Spider-Man have very little in common.

Any RPG and FPS games from their current studios would be a bad move, imo. We're seeing some fresh stuff with their upcoming next gen lineup but they're still sticking with their strengths, I think its the right strategy.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 07, 2020, 03:11 PM
I do agree with the multiplayer bit. CoD, Fortnite, etc are there.  

But I don't agree with the RPG bit. I don't think a big RPG is that far off from what Horizon is.  Even God of War has a fair amount of RPG elements. Bloodborne is absolutely an RPG.  

I don't think Sony has built themselves as specifically a third person action-adventure company, even though a lot of their biggest titles are that.  But I think they have built themselves as a single player story company which RPGs fit into that.  

They actually consider Horizon to be an action adventure RPG. Mechanically that game has more in common with Skyrim, than it has with Killzone I would say.  Even though it lacks some of the RPG elements, I wouldn't say it's that far off.  
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Post by: Xevross on Oct 07, 2020, 03:34 PM
I do agree with the multiplayer bit. CoD, Fortnite, etc are there.  

But I don't agree with the RPG bit. I don't think a big RPG is that far off from what Horizon is.  Even God of War has a fair amount of RPG elements. Bloodborne is absolutely an RPG.  

I don't think Sony has built themselves as specifically a third person action-adventure company, even though a lot of their biggest titles are that.  But I think they have built themselves as a single player story company which RPGs fit into that.  

They actually consider Horizon to be an action adventure RPG. Mechanically that game has more in common with Skyrim, than it has with Killzone I would say.  Even though it lacks some of the RPG elements, I wouldn't say it's that far off.  
Well yes that's right and that's as far as Sony should be taking RPGs.
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 07, 2020, 03:39 PM
Well yes that's right and that's as far as Sony should be taking RPGs.
"Should be"

It must hurt to be so wrong.
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Post by: kitler53 on Oct 07, 2020, 03:55 PM
Guerrilla move was good but it shouldn't be the norm, most studios have found what they're best at now. God of War wasn't too much of a transition either.
you mad bro.

Yes you do see a lot of similar games which was exactly my point and I see that as a good thing. People know Sony are the best at these games, if its a completely different genre then the guarantee is lost.

Also you are missing GT7 & Driveclub as top racing games, R&C, Astro Bot and LBP/Sackboy as platformers. Also an action adventure Uncharted is very different to a game like Ghost of Tsushima. The Last of Us and Spider-Man have very little in common.
i didn't mean to say that TLoU and Uncharted was anything like the rest.  But Uncharted and TLoU as pretty simular as you'd expect since they are both ND.  I said "a lot of third person open world games"  not exclusively.   too much simularity in their top teir games was my only point.

yes, i should have included GT.  Fair point but I probably should have also included Infamous Second Son.   

I excluded astro bot and lbp on purpose.  i'm sorry if you disagree but LBP 3 was a terrible game handed over to a studio not good enough to handle the property.  I don't think anyone can make a sound argument that sony even attempted to make this a system seller.  it was a mid-teir game given to a low-teir developer and it shows.    Astro bot was a great game but clearly a mid-teir effort,.. the exact kind of game i wish they'd make more of (see earlier post) but not a top-teir effort.

lol drive club.  clearly aiming for AAA but blotched.   this game never made sense to me anyways because GT is already such a huge franchise.   why of why did sony approve two sim racer franchises?!?  the genre is popular enough to need two.
Any RPG and FPS games from their current studios would be a bad move, imo. We're seeing some fresh stuff with their upcoming next gen lineup but they're still sticking with their strengths, I think its the right strategy.

i'm not saying i disagree with that necessarily.  personally i think days gone is the best example of a bad use of first party resources.  the studio didn't have a long list of prior games set expectations for what they are capable.  they worked on resistance and uncharted and syphon filter.   they really could have done anything from there.  I think they could have found more success by finding something a bit more unique in sony's first party line-up.   as is days gone feels like last on the list of games to play only if you already played sony's other third person open world shooters..
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Post by: kitler53 on Oct 07, 2020, 03:59 PM
I do agree with the multiplayer bit. CoD, Fortnite, etc are there.  

But I don't agree with the RPG bit. I don't think a big RPG is that far off from what Horizon is.  Even God of War has a fair amount of RPG elements. Bloodborne is absolutely an RPG.  

I don't think Sony has built themselves as specifically a third person action-adventure company, even though a lot of their biggest titles are that.  But I think they have built themselves as a single player story company which RPGs fit into that.  

They actually consider Horizon to be an action adventure RPG. Mechanically that game has more in common with Skyrim, than it has with Killzone I would say.  Even though it lacks some of the RPG elements, I wouldn't say it's that far off.  
i agree with the horizon bit.  we'll see what forbidden west brings but it seems like they tried to work in the RPG elements to be "fallout like" but just didn't quite make the mark.  hopefully they can move the franchise in that direction a bit.  i liked the story line but more freedom would be nice.


oh god, i forgot the list bloodborne as one of sony's top teir game last gen.   i'm an idiot.   
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Post by: Xevross on Oct 07, 2020, 07:38 PM
you mad bro.
i didn't mean to say that TLoU and Uncharted was anything like the rest.  But Uncharted and TLoU as pretty simular as you'd expect since they are both ND.  I said "a lot of third person open world games"  not exclusively.   too much simularity in their top teir games was my only point.

yes, i should have included GT.  Fair point but I probably should have also included Infamous Second Son.  

I excluded astro bot and lbp on purpose.  i'm sorry if you disagree but LBP 3 was a terrible game handed over to a studio not good enough to handle the property.  I don't think anyone can make a sound argument that sony even attempted to make this a system seller.  it was a mid-teir game given to a low-teir developer and it shows.    Astro bot was a great game but clearly a mid-teir effort,.. the exact kind of game i wish they'd make more of (see earlier post) but not a top-teir effort.

lol drive club.  clearly aiming for AAA but blotched.   this game never made sense to me anyways because GT is already such a huge franchise.   why of why did sony approve two sim racer franchises?!?  the genre is popular enough to need two.i'm not saying i disagree with that necessarily.  personally i think days gone is the best example of a bad use of first party resources.  the studio didn't have a long list of prior games set expectations for what they are capable.  they worked on resistance and uncharted and syphon filter.   they really could have done anything from there.  I think they could have found more success by finding something a bit more unique in sony's first party line-up.   as is days gone feels like last on the list of games to play only if you already played sony's other third person open world shooters..
LBP3 sucked but its still a title they pushed at e3 and Sackboy is a game they're pushing now. We're talking about first party games that Sony is promoting, how much they appeal to people and therefore sell is less important. Astro Bot isn't really that big but its another platformer. Sony are still pretty good with platformers. Its not their main focus but they make platforming games and that's diversity. Its probably the level you want them to make other genres.

Driveclub had a botched launch but quickly became amazing once it was fixed and in the end after incredible post launch support its the best racing game ever imo. Also its not a sim, its closer to arcade. Racing is still big and 2 racing games on the whole gen for PS4 is actually not great from Sony but its okay I guess.

And yeah I'll agree on Days Gone, Bend are the one studio I'd say sure do something new because I really couldn't care less for Days Gone and it didn't review very well. Their other big studios are all pretty much amazing at what they do. Bend are not.

Horizon would be worse if it went more into RPG stuff for my taste, it was pretty much at the limit already.

Basically my argument is that Sony's devs are almost all amazing at what they do and have a reputation now. It wouldn't make sense for them to change and I don't want them to. They should create new studios and buy new studios if they want to go into new genres, or let their smaller studios grow and try more stuff. Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Santa Monica, San Diego, Sucker Punch, Guerrilla, Polyphony, Media Molecule are all already doing what they do best and its varied enough. They finally built up their reputation with PS4, it'd be a shame to risk it or not use it by doing something totally different.

Naughty Dog could mix it up a bit if the new San Diego studio replaces them on Uncharted style games. Media Molecule could try actually making games again. Japan studio do lots of unique stuff already but could mix it up more. PixelOpus could grow a lot and do something unique like Concrete Genie on a bigger scale. Bend should stop with the generic zombie shame.
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Post by: kitler53 on Oct 07, 2020, 08:21 PM
LBP3 sucked but its still a title they pushed at e3 and Sackboy is a game they're pushing now. We're talking about first party games that Sony is promoting, how much they appeal to people and therefore sell is less important. Astro Bot isn't really that big but its another platformer. Sony are still pretty good with platformers. Its not their main focus but they make platforming games and that's diversity. Its probably the level you want them to make other genres.

Driveclub had a botched launch but quickly became amazing once it was fixed and in the end after incredible post launch support its the best racing game ever imo. Also its not a sim, its closer to arcade. Racing is still big and 2 racing games on the whole gen for PS4 is actually not great from Sony but its okay I guess.

And yeah I'll agree on Days Gone, Bend are the one studio I'd say sure do something new because I really couldn't care less for Days Gone and it didn't review very well. Their other big studios are all pretty much amazing at what they do. Bend are not.

Horizon would be worse if it went more into RPG stuff for my taste, it was pretty much at the limit already.

Basically my argument is that Sony's devs are almost all amazing at what they do and have a reputation now. It wouldn't make sense for them to change and I don't want them to. They should create new studios and buy new studios if they want to go into new genres, or let their smaller studios grow and try more stuff. Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Santa Monica, San Diego, Sucker Punch, Guerrilla, Polyphony, Media Molecule are all already doing what they do best and its varied enough. They finally built up their reputation with PS4, it'd be a shame to risk it or not use it by doing something totally different.

Naughty Dog could mix it up a bit if the new San Diego studio replaces them on Uncharted style games. Media Molecule could try actually making games again. Japan studio do lots of unique stuff already but could mix it up more. PixelOpus could grow a lot and do something unique like Concrete Genie on a bigger scale. Bend should stop with the generic zombie shame.
generally i agree with you.  one of the things i love about sony is they seem content to let development teams work on what they want to work on.  you can really see the passion for their games in the work they complete.  I wouldn't force changes on any of the studios but at the same time i think sony should influence or suggest they work on types of projects that give playstation studio's overall a more well rounded output.  honestly this wasn't a problem on ps2 or ps3.  only on ps4 do i think first party got a bit to "samey".  

basically i'm saying get more studios but don't get studios that feel like ND or SM.   In summary:
- force MM to make games and not game engines.  they make amazing games.  to not make even 1 game for all of ps4 is such a fudgy waste.  ..and yes i'm intentionally not counting dreams because from everything i've read it had almost no campain from MM.

- put bend on a new IP and not days gone 2.

- acquire new studios that WANT to work on big (mid-teir) games that aren't soo dark and first person shootery.  Kena or R&C-esque games are my target here.  high quality AAA that aims to look more like "pixar" than dark and dystopian and super high detailed graphics.  dark games are stressful and sometimes i just want something more light-hearted.  also these would be cheaper to make overall which would mean games more than once every 5 years.  astro bot was great.  so far i'm really impressed with sackboy a big adventure.  but add in knack, rachet and clank, and lbp 3 we we are talking 6 games in the entire generation and 3 of them were crud.

- acquire or start about 5 high quality low-tier developers.  i really, really miss the psn titles from the ps3 era and early ps4 era.  they've given up here but some of my favorite titles include: echochrome, pixal junk shooter 1 and 2, sound shapes, escape plan, flower, journey, unfinished swan, hohokum, and fat princess.  

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Post by: Xevross on Oct 07, 2020, 08:31 PM
generally i agree with you.  one of the things i love about sony is they seem content to let development teams work on what they want to work on.  you can really see the passion for their games in the work they complete.  I wouldn't force changes on any of the studios but at the same time i think sony should influence or suggest they work on types of projects that give playstation studio's overall a more well rounded output.  honestly this wasn't a problem on ps2 or ps3.  only on ps4 do i think first party got a bit to "samey".  

basically i'm saying get more studios but don't get studios that feel like ND or SM.   In summary:
- force MM to make games and not game engines.  they make amazing games.  to not make even 1 game for all of ps4 is such a fudgy waste.  ..and yes i'm intentionally not counting dreams because from everything i've read it had almost no campain from MM.

- put bend on a new IP and not days gone 2.

- acquire new studios that WANT to work on big (mid-teir) games that aren't soo dark and first person shootery.  Kena or R&C-esque games are my target here.  high quality AAA that aims to look more like "pixar" than dark and dystopian and super high detailed graphics.  dark games are stressful and sometimes i just want something more light-hearted.  also these would be cheaper to make overall which would mean games more than once every 5 years.  astro bot was great.  so far i'm really impressed with sackboy a big adventure.  but add in knack, rachet and clank, and lbp 3 we we are talking 6 games in the entire generation and 3 of them were crud.

- acquire or start about 5 high quality low-tier developers.  i really, really miss the psn titles from the ps3 era and early ps4 era.  they've given up here but some of my favorite titles include: echochrome, pixal junk shooter 1 and 2, sound shapes, escape plan, flower, journey, unfinished swan, hohokum, and fat princess.  


PS4 was the one that had a problem with being samey but it was also the best gen for first party Sony games by a long long way. Building a reputation for a type of game really works.

- yeah Dreams kinda sucks. I hate to say it but it is just a game engine that's accessible to all and while its cool it does not help the PS brand in any way, it isn't popular and Media Molecule's creativity is totally absent. You're right it had almost no campaign, it was a 2-3 hour weird thing with super low production values that would have got absolutely blasted by all media if it was put out as an actual game. MM are a game dev studio, they should make games.

- 100% no days gone 2 plz

- indeed, housemarque working on returnal level games would be perfect. And yes I think Sony needs more light hearted stuff for sure

- more smaller studios would be great. PixelOpus are awesome and exactly the right size for this, 4-5 more studios on that level to steadily put out smaller games would be fantastic.
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Post by: BananaKing on Oct 07, 2020, 09:02 PM
Yall are crazy. Yes for days gone 2. That secret ending was crazy.
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Post by: kitler53 on Oct 07, 2020, 09:05 PM
PS4 was the one that had a problem with being samey but it was also the best gen for first party Sony games by a long long way. Building a reputation for a type of game really works.

- yeah Dreams kinda sucks. I hate to say it but it is just a game engine that's accessible to all and while its cool it does not help the PS brand in any way, it isn't popular and Media Molecule's creativity is totally absent. You're right it had almost no campaign, it was a 2-3 hour weird thing with super low production values that would have got absolutely blasted by all media if it was put out as an actual game. MM are a game dev studio, they should make games.

- 100% no days gone 2 plz

- indeed, housemarque working on returnal level games would be perfect. And yes I think Sony needs more light hearted stuff for sure

- more smaller studios would be great. PixelOpus are awesome and exactly the right size for this, 4-5 more studios on that level to steadily put out smaller games would be fantastic.
well i'm glad we are in full agreement with how to move playstation studios forward.   now all that's left is for us to split Hermen Hulst's paycheck between us..
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Post by: Xevross on Oct 07, 2020, 09:12 PM
Yall are crazy. Yes for days gone 2. That secret ending was crazy.
Open world zombies is trash.
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 07, 2020, 09:15 PM
Game devs seem to love PS5.

Two at digital foundry have on different occasions mentioned that developers are happy with the system, even moreso than the XSX.  And that there are going to be some surprises.  

Matt has implied several times the 10.3 is genuinely the level of performance you can expect at basically any time. (not always but it's the typical performance)


Open world zombies is trash.
So many bad opinions. *smh*

Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>Jk. I like the idea, but I don&#39;t know of any open world zombie games that really executed it well. &nbsp;<br><br>So I half agree, half disagree. <br>
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 07, 2020, 09:26 PM
What I'd like to see Sony do:

1.) Make more smaller games.  Something along the lines of Uncharted 2, where they are sizeable games made in 2 years.  Not this 4-6 years that is becoming more common.  

2.) Get someone to make a WRPG.  Buy a new studio if you have to. For me.  :-*

3.) What Kitler said.
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Post by: Xevross on Oct 07, 2020, 10:10 PM
Game devs seem to love PS5.

Two at digital foundry have on different occasions mentioned that developers are happy with the system, even moreso than the XSX.  And that there are going to be some surprises. 

Matt has implied several times the 10.3 is genuinely the level of performance you can expect at basically any time. (not always but it's the typical performance)

So many bad opinions. *smh*

Spoiler for Hidden:

Jk. I like the idea, but I don't know of any open world zombie games that really executed it well. 

So I half agree, half disagree.

Devs loving PS5 means we'll love PS5.


WRPG would be a total waste for Sony, they can't compete with PC or xbox on it so unless they went all out it won't move the needle. The audience for these games are much bigger on PC than any other single player genre anyway, due to the nature of them and modding.

I mean its been really overdone and practically every open world zombies game has the exact same feel that got old about a decade ago.
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 07, 2020, 11:00 PM
This boy doesn't believe in Sony.

*Smh*
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 08, 2020, 01:41 PM

1:26:25




38:50,
39:45

The middle one is old and posted here a while, but the others weren't I don't think.  
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Post by: kitler53 on Oct 08, 2020, 02:14 PM

the statements in this video are pretty glowing for playstation and pretty damning for xbox.  

not that i didn't expect that.  xbox's commitment to multi-platform inheritably means not fully utilizing the power of the hardware.   its your typical generic vs custom argument.
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 08, 2020, 02:25 PM
The tear down greatly increased my expectations for the OS.  If they are putting half that much attention to detail on the OS, I think it's going to be immensely better than the PS4 was.
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Post by: Xevross on Oct 08, 2020, 02:30 PM
Bugsnax previews live, here's kinda funny:

Confirmed a launch title and its $25.
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Post by: kitler53 on Oct 08, 2020, 02:38 PM
The tear down greatly increased my expectations for the OS.  If they are putting half that much attention to detail on the OS, I think it's going to be immensely better than the PS4 was.
in what way?

i mean, clearly you don't "know" how is it better but really what is even your wishlist of how they could improve.   for me other than "i wish everything loaded faster" there isn't much i can point to that truly needs drastic improvement.  the most drastic change i can think of is i wish when i looked at my friends profile page it had a "wall" of their recent activity for videos or pictures they posted.  basically make it a bit more like a social media page.
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 08, 2020, 02:49 PM
in what way?

i mean, clearly you don't "know" how is it better but really what is even your wishlist of how they could improve.   for me other than "i wish everything loaded faster" there isn't much i can point to that truly needs drastic improvement.  the most drastic change i can think of is i wish when i looked at my friends profile page it had a "wall" of their recent activity for videos or pictures they posted.  basically make it a bit more like a social media page.
It's not really a better.  

PS4's OS was basically completely from scratch. Some things were nice and well implemented, but there were features missing that the PS3 had like folders.  Took like 3 years to get folders.

So I was being pessimistic that it was going to be missing some obvious features at least on day 1.  

Mostly I mean I'm no longer expecting any disappointing omissions like there were last gen.  
Already know a few of the features from my wishlist are coming (like the wishlist on the PS store.).


At this point I'm almost expecting some kind of great feature that I hadn't even thought of before.
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Post by: Xevross on Oct 08, 2020, 03:06 PM
It's not really a better.  

PS4's OS was basically completely from scratch. Some things were nice and well implemented, but there were features missing that the PS3 had like folders.  Took like 3 years to get folders.

So I was being pessimistic that it was going to be missing some obvious features at least on day 1.  

Mostly I mean I'm no longer expecting any disappointing omissions like there were last gen.  
Already know a few of the features from my wishlist are coming (like the wishlist on the PS store.).


At this point I'm almost expecting some kind of great feature that I hadn't even thought of before.
Yeah we know PS5 seems very well thought out and well planned, points to the UI being really good and a lot better at launch than PS4 was.
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Post by: Xevross on Oct 08, 2020, 03:09 PM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/western-digital-shows-their-first-ps5-compatible-ssd-on-their-press-material.302627/

Seems we have the first PS5 expansion SSD.

Edit: good to note that the 1TB is the same price as the Series X expansion already, and that's with double the speeds. You have the option for different sizes and prices will keep dropping. This is why Sony's expansion solution is vastly superior.
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Post by: DerNebel on Oct 08, 2020, 03:29 PM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/western-digital-shows-their-first-ps5-compatible-ssd-on-their-press-material.302627/

Seems we have the first PS5 expansion SSD.

Edit: good to note that the 1TB is the same price as the Series X expansion already, and that's with double the speeds. You have the option for different sizes and prices will keep dropping. This is why Sony's expansion solution is vastly superior.
But have you thought about the fact that you have to take out a screw to put in the new SSD? What a massive misstep on Sony's part, yikes is all I can say. I would totally love being locked into a proprietary storage solution if it meant not having to do this monumental task. Especially since I change my harddrive weekly.

Absolute fail and it shows just how inferior Sony's "engineers" are to Microsofts masterminds.

Spoiler for Hidden:
/s if it wasn&#39;t obvious enough
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Post by: kitler53 on Oct 08, 2020, 03:30 PM
Bugsnax previews live, here's kinda funny:

Confirmed a launch title and its $25.
having played octodad i have to say i was really dismissive of this game based on the first trailer.  i'm quite surprised to see this is "a real-dog game".   looks charming.  i'll probably pick it up at some point.
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 08, 2020, 03:34 PM
But have you thought about the fact that you have to take out a screw to put in the new SSD? What a massive misstep on Sony's part, yikes is all I can say. I would totally love being locked in to a proprietary storage solution if it meant not having to do this monumental task. Especially since I change my harddrive weekly.

Absolute fail and it shows just how inferior Sony's "engineers" are to Microsofts masterminds.

Spoiler for Hidden:
/s if it wasn't obvious enough

Sony will never recover from this anti-consumer move.  They should learn from MS, to always go proprietary.
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Post by: kitler53 on Oct 08, 2020, 03:36 PM
It's not really a better.  

PS4's OS was basically completely from scratch. Some things were nice and well implemented, but there were features missing that the PS3 had like folders.  Took like 3 years to get folders. 

So I was being pessimistic that it was going to be missing some obvious features at least on day 1.  

Mostly I mean I'm no longer expecting any disappointing omissions like there were last gen.  
Already know a few of the features from my wishlist are coming (like the wishlist on the PS store.). 


At this point I'm almost expecting some kind of great feature that I hadn't even thought of before. 
my assumption is that the ps5 OS will be an upgraded ps4 OS instead of a re-write.   i don't expect missing features in the way that ps4 had missing features.  I do expect some amount of reworking but nothing drastic.

my #1 wishlist item would be to ditch the 1hour limit on share play.   i know it won't happen but that limit is horrible when actually trying to co-op a game with it.  at the very least up it to 4 hours.   1 hour quickly becomes 40 minutes when you factor in the time it takes to log in and get a game going and then log out early when you realize that many of the indie game don't respond well to forced disconnect.

But have you thought about the fact that you have to take out a screw to put in the new SSD? What a massive misstep on Sony's part, yikes is all I can say. I would totally love being locked in to a proprietary storage solution if it meant not having to do this monumental task. Especially since I change my harddrive weekly.

Absolute fail and it shows just how inferior Sony's "engineers" are to Microsofts masterminds.

Spoiler for Hidden:
/s if it wasn't obvious enough

somebody was reading vgchartz?   or is it more than just dirty that is being dumb as a box full of rocks?

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9227062
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Post by: DerNebel on Oct 08, 2020, 03:47 PM
somebody was reading vgchartz?   or is it more than just dirty that is being dumb as a box full of rocks?

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9227062
God no, I don't go there anymore. Several Xbox fanboys have been trying to turn this into some massive advantage Microsoft has, plus one of the host on the Kindafunny Gamescast went on to a whole stupid rant about this as well.
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 08, 2020, 04:21 PM
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Post by: kitler53 on Oct 08, 2020, 07:47 PM
New demon's souls screenshot.

Spoiler for Hidden:
[/size]<br>(https://i.imgur.com/7T7CYHn.png)
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Post by: Legend on Oct 08, 2020, 07:51 PM
Looking great.

Maybe I'll buy it.

I also still need to figure out what to do with my second ps5 preorder.
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Post by: kitler53 on Oct 08, 2020, 08:06 PM
Looking great.

Maybe I'll buy it.

I also still need to figure out what to do with my second ps5 preorder.
why did you order 2 if you didn't know what to do with it?  isn't the point of 2 so you can resell it for 2x the original price?
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Post by: Legend on Oct 08, 2020, 08:16 PM
why did you order 2 if you didn't know what to do with it?  isn't the point of 2 so you can resell it for 2x the original price?
I ordered from Amazon and then got the private link from Sony. If I do sell the Amazon PS5 it'll just be at cost. No interest in scalping.
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 08, 2020, 08:20 PM
Looking great.

Maybe I'll buy it.

I also still need to figure out what to do with my second ps5 preorder.
You have a dear friend who wasn't able to preorder.
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Post by: kitler53 on Oct 08, 2020, 08:26 PM
You have a dear friend who wasn't able to preorder.
are we talking about you?  I'm pretty sure a pre-order cannot be transferred so you'd have to work out a deal where you send him money and hope that he actually changes the shipping address to you.  not sure he can be trusted.  afterall, people denying the existence of robots may be robots themselves...
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 08, 2020, 08:31 PM



Pathless also got previews today, so that's two PS5 launch games with previews in one day. This game looks really good as well.

PS5 launch lineup looks sooooo much better than PS4. I remember for a long time with PS4 I was short on games to play for the whole first year but now on PS5 it looks like I'm probably not even going to be able to get through all the ones I'm interested in
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Oct 08, 2020, 08:56 PM
You have a dear friend who wasn't able to preorder.
Were you trying to get one at launch?

are we talking about you?  I'm pretty sure a pre-order cannot be transferred so you'd have to work out a deal where you send him money and hope that he actually changes the shipping address to you.  not sure he can be trusted.  afterall, people denying the existence of robots may be robots themselves...

I ain't no robit!

Yeah can't transfer it. Plus I don't know if Amazon or Sony will be fastest. Both should be day 1, but Amazon might put me in a later batch and Sony might suck at shipping. 1st world problems lol
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 08, 2020, 09:00 PM
Were you trying to get one at launch?
I want one at launch, but I don't think wifey is going to let me.  :'(

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I ain't no robit!

Yeah can't transfer it. Plus I don't know if Amazon or Sony will be fastest. Both should be day 1, but Amazon might put me in a later batch and Sony might suck at shipping. 1st world problems lol
Hypothetically, I could send you the money + shipping money.  Then you could ship me whatever comes second.

Although at that point I wouldn't get it at launch.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Oct 08, 2020, 09:11 PM
I want one at launch, but I don't think wifey is going to let me.  
Seems you need a new router.



Hypothetically, I could send you the money + shipping money.  Then you could ship me whatever comes second.

Although at that point I wouldn't get it at launch.
Still have a couple weeks to figure it out. Hopefully Amazon doesn't throw any last minute curveballs.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 08, 2020, 09:21 PM
I still log onto game to check my PS5 pre-order every few days. Its still there so far!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 08, 2020, 11:29 PM
Seems you need a new router.



Still have a couple weeks to figure it out. Hopefully Amazon doesn't throw any last minute curveballs.
That video is hilarious
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 09, 2020, 03:03 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Oct 09, 2020, 03:03 PM



Fast fingers
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 09, 2020, 03:04 PM

Lol talk about a photo finish.

This game looks a heck of a lot better than LBP3.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 09, 2020, 03:08 PM
Hopefully the focus on single player makes for a better game. Seems like it does.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 09, 2020, 03:09 PM


Some sweet upgrades. Sackboy doesn't stand out graphically but its still a surprisingly big jump from before, LBP3 looks bad.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: nnodley on Oct 09, 2020, 03:11 PM
ps5 launch games are gonna kill my wallet
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 09, 2020, 03:24 PM

Fast fingers
i'm still a bit worried about this title simply because sumo digital doesn't have a backlog of high quality games to solidify a reputation as a good developer...

...but this looks soo good.  i'm not getting a ps5 at launch regardless but if reviews and user feedback is at least decent i'm sooo getting this.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 09, 2020, 03:25 PM
Someone on Era found this: https://support.playstation.com/s/article/backward-compatibility?language=en_US&lan=

Key points:

PS4 games playable on PS5 consoles
The overwhelming majority of the 4,000+ PS4 games are playable on PS5 consoles.


PS4 only games
While the majority of PS4 games are playable on PS5 consoles, below is a list of PS4 games that are playable on PS4 only. On PlayStation™Store, PS4 games that are not playable on the PS5 console will be marked with 'Playable on: PS4 only'.

PS4 only games:
DWVR
Afro Samurai 2 Revenge of Kuma Volume One
TT Isle of Man - Ride on the Edge 2
Just Deal With It!
Shadow Complex Remastered
Robinson: The Journey
We Sing
Hitman Go: Definitive Edition
Shadwen
Legend's Diner



Playing PS4 game discs on a PS5 console with a disc drive

PS4 game discs can't be used with the PlayStation®5 Digital Edition.


Transfer digital games from a PS4 console to a PS5 console



Install a PS4 digital game on a PS5 console


PS5 backwards compatibility limitations


TLDR:

-Confirmed that PS5 accesses PS4 digital library and can download
-List of only 10 PS4 games that don't work on PS5
-Select PS4 games work with boost mode
-You can transfer your PS4 digital games and saves to PS5 via wifi
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 09, 2020, 03:31 PM
That's like 99.7% compatibility. They undersold themselves.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 09, 2020, 03:33 PM
That's like 99.7% compatibility. They undersold themselves.
Yep, only 10 is even better than I was expecting. Lets hope BC errors for games that can be played are very infrequent.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Oct 09, 2020, 03:34 PM
Sad about Robinson the journey. That's still on my list to play at some point.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 09, 2020, 03:40 PM
ps5 launch games are gonna kill my wallet
That's why Sony increased prices
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 09, 2020, 03:44 PM
PS4 only games:
DWVR
Afro Samurai 2 Revenge of Kuma Volume One
TT Isle of Man - Ride on the Edge 2
Just Deal With It!
Shadow Complex Remastered
Robinson: The Journey
We Sing
Hitman Go: Definitive Edition
Shadwen
Legend's Diner


That's an awesomely small list.  no "major" games on that list either.  for me personally only shadow complex remastered matters to me and to be completely honest,..  i bought that game in 2014.  it's been over six years kitler53,.. if you haven't played it by now you probably never will.

i'll probably download shadow complex tonight..
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 09, 2020, 03:45 PM
That's why Sony increased prices
The wallet was already dead, Pezus.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 09, 2020, 03:45 PM
Someone on Era found this: https://support.playstation.com/s/article/backward-compatibility?language=en_US&lan=

Key points:

PS4 games playable on PS5 consoles
The overwhelming majority of the 4,000+ PS4 games are playable on PS5 consoles.
  • Select PS4 games will benefit from the PS5 console's Game Boost, which may make PS4 games run with a higher or smoother frame rate.
  • Although many PS4 games are playable on PS5 consoles, some functionalities that were available on the PS4 console may not be available on PS5 consoles. In addition, some PS4 games may exhibit errors or unexpected behavior when played on PS5 consoles.


PS4 only games
While the majority of PS4 games are playable on PS5 consoles, below is a list of PS4 games that are playable on PS4 only. On PlayStation™Store, PS4 games that are not playable on the PS5 console will be marked with 'Playable on: PS4 only'.

PS4 only games:
DWVR
Afro Samurai 2 Revenge of Kuma Volume One
TT Isle of Man - Ride on the Edge 2
Just Deal With It!
Shadow Complex Remastered
Robinson: The Journey
We Sing
Hitman Go: Definitive Edition
Shadwen
Legend's Diner



Playing PS4 game discs on a PS5 console with a disc drive
  • Insert the PS4 game disc. You may need to download an update.
  • Select the game hub from your Games home.
  • You will need to keep the disc inserted each time to play the game.

PS4 game discs can't be used with the PlayStation®5 Digital Edition.


Transfer digital games from a PS4 console to a PS5 console
  • You can transfer digital games and saved data from a PS4 console to a PS5 console using WiFi data transfer.
  • You can access PS4 games on a PS5 console directly from a PS5 extended storage drive.



Install a PS4 digital game on a PS5 console
  • Select game library from your Games home.
  • Select the game you want to play.
  • If you haven't already downloaded the game, select Download.
  • The game will install automatically. Depending on the game, you may have the option to copy and play a portion of the game right away.


PS5 backwards compatibility limitations
  • The SHARE menu cannot be displayed during PS4 gameplay on PS5 consoles. You can take screenshots and images by pressing the create button on your DualSense wireless controller to show the create menu.
  • HDR is automatically switched on for PS5 consoles. To turn off HDR, go to Settings > Screen and Video > Video Output > HDR and select SDR.


TLDR:

-Confirmed that PS5 accesses PS4 digital library and can download
-List of only 10 PS4 games that don't work on PS5
-Select PS4 games work with boost mode
-You can transfer your PS4 digital games and saves to PS5 via wifi
Now that's what I wanted to hear!

Also, " here are 10 shaming PS4 games that won't work on ps5 that nobody wanted anyway"

The wallet was already dead, Pezus.
Ever played mortal kombat?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: DerNebel on Oct 09, 2020, 04:28 PM
Legend Diner is my favorite diner-based franchise, what a huge oversight from Sony.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 09, 2020, 04:33 PM
Legend Diner is my favorite diner-based franchise, what a huge oversight from Sony.
Diner Dash is better you son of a!!!  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: DerNebel on Oct 09, 2020, 04:45 PM
Diner Dash is better you son of a!!! 
Listen here. I'm not a violent person, but I'm willing to break that rule, if you trash talk Legend's Diner like that again.

Edit: Who decided to use the profanity filter like that? :D
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 09, 2020, 06:21 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 09, 2020, 06:36 PM

Nice so it was getting ready for an official article.

Big news here is that you can stream your PS4 games onto your PS5 to save space.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 09, 2020, 06:46 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 09, 2020, 06:56 PM

https://blog.playstation.com/2020/10/09/ps4-games-on-ps5-your-top-questions-answered/

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Also, the PS5 HD Camera is not compatible with PS VR on PS5.
I'm surprised by that.  I see no reason why the new camera wouldn't work.


Quote
Can I stream PS4 games on PS5?
Yes, Remote Play from PS4 to PS5 and PS Now streaming are supported. The benefit of streaming is that you can save your storage space on PS5. Please note that PS4 games will not leverage PS5's Game Boost through streaming.
i'm sorry but what's the point of that?  If i have to have my ps4 on i might as well just play there...




Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 09, 2020, 07:00 PM


This is why we wait for PS5.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 09, 2020, 07:02 PM


This is why we wait for PS5.
This is awesome stuff! I'll definitely play at least a bit of this on PS5 for that sweet FPS.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 09, 2020, 07:04 PM
This is why we wait for PS5.
This is why i haven't played GoT or TLoU2 yet.   2022 can't come soon enough!!    xD 
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 09, 2020, 07:36 PM


This is why we wait for PS5.
Hopefully they have lined up ports for this and TLOU2 early 2021

If not I'll buy the ps4 version  and play when I get a ps5 8)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 09, 2020, 07:46 PM
I should've bought everything digitally on PS4. They're making me want the disc drive because the other version doesn't allow BC for the discs you own.

*If players originally purchase a PS4 game disc, the PlayStation 5 with an Ultra HD Blu-ray disc drive is required to upgrade to the PlayStation 5 version of the game and transfer their saves over.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 09, 2020, 07:49 PM
I should've bought everything digitally on PS4. They're making me want the disc drive because the other version doesn't allow BC for the discs you own.

*If players originally purchase a PS4 game disc, the PlayStation 5 with an Ultra HD Blu-ray disc drive is required to upgrade to the PlayStation 5 version of the game and transfer their saves over.
you should've bought everything digitally because disc swapping is a horrible 1st world problem that i wouldn't wish upon my greatest enemy.

the better BC is just gravy.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 09, 2020, 08:10 PM
I should've bought everything digitally on PS4. They're making me want the disc drive because the other version doesn't allow BC for the discs you own.

*If players originally purchase a PS4 game disc, the PlayStation 5 with an Ultra HD Blu-ray disc drive is required to upgrade to the PlayStation 5 version of the game and transfer their saves over.
Is this a genuine problem or are you just joking around? Of course you need the discs if you bought them physically.

you should've bought everything digitally because disc swapping is a horrible 1st world problem that i wouldn't wish upon my greatest enemy.

the better BC is just gravy.
Yeah this is true, but digital prices have always been higher here and I'd rather save money. If there's no reputable places that sell PS5 games for cheaper than the PS5 store then I'll be buying a lot more digital next gen but its worth the £90 extra for me to have that option, also its a 4K blu-ray player.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 09, 2020, 08:16 PM
Sony should let us take our games to a store so that they can burn the discs and give us a free code for that game.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 09, 2020, 08:44 PM
you should've bought everything digitally because disc swapping is a horrible 1st world problem that i wouldn't wish upon my greatest enemy.

the better BC is just gravy.
I bought 99 % of my stuff digitally. Only physical when I saw an insane deal (which is extremely rare here)

Is this a genuine problem or are you just joking around? Of course you need the discs if you bought them physically.
Yeah this is true, but digital prices have always been higher here and I'd rather save money. If there's no reputable places that sell PS5 games for cheaper than the PS5 store then I'll be buying a lot more digital next gen but its worth the £90 extra for me to have that option, also its a 4K blu-ray player.
I was hoping they'd allow activation with a code inside or something lol. I want to go all digital

Sony should let us take our games to a store so that they can burn the discs and give us a free code for that game.
It's good for the environment
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 09, 2020, 08:59 PM
I was hoping they'd allow activation with a code inside or something lol. I want to go all digital
Well that's obviously impossible, you could sell or give the disc to someone else and then they'd have duplicated a game and lost a sale.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 09, 2020, 09:06 PM
my only ps4 disc is astro bot rescue mission and that's only because it was bundeled with my psvr.   i went 100% in the last years of ps3.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Oct 09, 2020, 09:13 PM
My only digital game is driveclub.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 09, 2020, 09:21 PM
Well that's obviously impossible, you could sell or give the disc to someone else and then they'd have duplicated a game and lost a sale.
They can find a way around it  ???

my only ps4 disc is astro bot rescue mission and that's only because it was bundeled with my psvr.   i went 100% in the last years of ps3.  
I have Astro on disc too because I got it as a gift. Also spyro, rdr2 and dmc5
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 09, 2020, 09:27 PM
I have about 75 disc PS4 games. Counting only games I bought and not PS+ or anything I have about 20 digital.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 11, 2020, 04:39 AM
I'm not sure how many Kinect only games there are, but it seems likely that there are more missing Xbox One games than there are from PS4.  Which is hilarious to think about considering the concern.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 11, 2020, 11:24 AM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/devil-may-cry-5-se-loads-in-4-seconds-on-ps5-24-seconds-on-ps4.304277/

Nice to get some more real load time comparisons for PS5.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 11, 2020, 11:56 AM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/devil-may-cry-5-se-loads-in-4-seconds-on-ps5-24-seconds-on-ps4.304277/

Nice to get some more real load time comparisons for PS5.
I wonder how the ps4 version loads on ps5
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: nnodley on Oct 11, 2020, 02:23 PM
I wonder how the ps4 version loads on ps5
same cause not sure i'll buy the SE edition for ps5.  Wish it was a free upgrade for ps4 owners.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 11, 2020, 03:07 PM
same cause not sure i'll buy the SE edition for ps5.  Wish it was a free upgrade for ps4 owners.
I don't think it would even be considered to be offered for free when its basically got a decent sized new DLC included. Its not even that expensive either, seems like a good priced offering to me.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: nnodley on Oct 11, 2020, 03:17 PM
I don't think it would even be considered to be offered for free when its basically got a decent sized new DLC included. Its not even that expensive either, seems like a good priced offering to me.
oh no doubt,  i get why its not.  I'll probably get it eventually since i've got tons already i want to buy day one.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 11, 2020, 03:26 PM
I don't think it would even be considered to be offered for free when its basically got a decent sized new DLC included. Its not even that expensive either, seems like a good priced offering to me.
Just too bad I recently bought the base version. Haven't touched it because I might want to play on ps5. Then again, I probably am not getting a ps5 until next year anyway so might as well (plus it might be the digital edition so I won't be able to play my dmc5 anyway on it)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 11, 2020, 06:58 PM
Dev Hints Games That Aren't PS5 Backwards Compatible Can Be Patched (https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2020/10/11/ps5-backwards-compatible-patch/)

At least one of the devs is working on patches.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 11, 2020, 07:11 PM
Dev Hints Games That Aren't PS5 Backwards Compatible Can Be Patched (https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2020/10/11/ps5-backwards-compatible-patch/)

At least one of the devs is working on patches.
Interesting. I wonder what it is that's causing them to not run on PS5.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 12, 2020, 02:15 PM
Interesting. I wonder what it is that's causing them to not run on PS5.
It could be a bunch of things.  

A good write up on what makes emulation hard:
What makes accurate emulation of old systems a difficult task? - Retrocomputing Stack Exchange (https://retrocomputing.stackexchange.com/questions/10828/what-makes-accurate-emulation-of-old-systems-a-difficult-task)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 13, 2020, 01:52 AM
from the SECRET-secret menu : PS5 (https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/ja1nz1/from_the_secretsecret_menu/)

Burger King posted an ad to the ps5 sub. Teasing the 15th.  ;D
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 13, 2020, 02:24 AM

from the SECRET-secret menu : PS5 (https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/ja1nz1/from_the_secretsecret_menu/)

Burger King posted an ad to the ps5 sub. Teasing the 15th.  ;D
sweet,. a ps3 retro console is a great way to augment the lack of BC on ps5!!

Spoiler for Hidden:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/yXrag-vTo9_atEUsebAZv5P310g0sXAyy288K4e0DsnzJMvQZ_Bs81oDzXoMlLJNCcLNM6zCcrTS2StyBrxLcSfnE1A0oc1zAXI)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Oct 13, 2020, 02:39 AM
I'll pass on bk. More of a kentucky fried console fan.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 13, 2020, 01:45 PM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-shadwen-wont-be-backwards-compatible-on-ps5.305435/

Shadwen wont be patched. Game freezes during the loading screens, and no reason why given.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 13, 2020, 01:47 PM
TT Isle of Man 2 Will Receive PS5 Backwards Compatibility Update - Push Square (https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/10/tt_isle_of_man_2_will_receive_ps5_backwards_compatibility_update)

TT isle of man 2 will be getting a patch.  

This is crazy.

I was expecting like 40 games to not be compatible on PS5, instead it looks like we will only have 8 or fewer.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 13, 2020, 02:12 PM
TT Isle of Man 2 Will Receive PS5 Backwards Compatibility Update - Push Square (https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/10/tt_isle_of_man_2_will_receive_ps5_backwards_compatibility_update)

TT isle of man 2 will be getting a patch.  

This is crazy.

I was expecting like 40 games to not be compatible on PS5, instead it looks like we will only have 8 or fewer.
Yeah, amazing. Lets hope they run without issues as it seems series X BC isn't that great, could be the same for PS5.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 13, 2020, 02:15 PM
TT Isle of Man 2 Will Receive PS5 Backwards Compatibility Update - Push Square (https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/10/tt_isle_of_man_2_will_receive_ps5_backwards_compatibility_update)

TT isle of man 2 will be getting a patch.  

This is crazy.

I was expecting like 40 games to not be compatible on PS5, instead it looks like we will only have 8 or fewer.
this is crasy.  nothing like getting called out i suppose but if BC is for everything expect 5 titles than that is amazing.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 13, 2020, 04:01 PM


Lots of new Spidey info incoming, including new gameplay on the website!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 13, 2020, 05:47 PM
I'll pass on bk. More of a kentucky fried console fan.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 13, 2020, 06:10 PM
Sexy startup sound
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 13, 2020, 06:59 PM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/spider-man-miles-morales-game-informer-details.305681/

The physical mag is out and people have been reading it.

Insomniac consider the game to be a sequel and not a side story. They say its "a bit shorter" than the first game.

This is all great stuff to hear for me.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 13, 2020, 11:48 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 14, 2020, 12:02 AM

Quote
Performance Mode
- 4k/60fps
- Screen-space reflections instead of ray tracing
- Native (dynamic) resolution is lowe than in Fidelity Mode

Fidelity Mode
- 4k/30fps
- Ray Traxing
- Other visual enhancements

No load times on PS5. Just a screen flash when you fast travel. On PS4, loading is a mix of Spider-Man images with tips or subway rides.

Standard PS4
- 1080p/30fps

PS4 Pro
- 4K/30fps
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 14, 2020, 12:47 AM
i'll try both but fidelity mode for me most likely. 
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 14, 2020, 07:44 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 14, 2020, 07:48 PM
Why is he so sweaty
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 14, 2020, 07:51 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 14, 2020, 08:14 PM



This game!

Spoiler for Spider Cat Gif:
(https://i.imgur.com/yRZcgXy.gif)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 15, 2020, 11:49 AM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-studios-ot15-compatible-with-99-of-previous-ots-see-threadmarks-for-list-of-unsupported-ots.306661/post-48536584

+



UI incoming.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 15, 2020, 01:03 PM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-studios-ot15-compatible-with-99-of-previous-ots-see-threadmarks-for-list-of-unsupported-ots.306661/post-48536584

+



UI incoming.
UI incoming was obvious from the BK tweet. 
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 15, 2020, 01:39 PM
UI incoming was obvious from the BK tweet.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Xevross on Oct 15, 2020, 07:50 PM
I think its clear as we get closer to launch that Sony knew exactly what they were doing with their PS5 advertising campaign and marketing push. Its been annoying for us to wait and some people criticized but its kept the hype up and kept people excited and constantly wanting more. It might not have been the best for us as we wanted to know everything right away but it seems to have been the best strategy to actually sell the console.

Their communication could definitely have been much clearer at times and they still messed some things up, but that stuff has been pretty independent from the main marketing push
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 15, 2020, 08:46 PM
I think its clear as we get closer to launch that Sony knew exactly what they were doing with their PS5 advertising campaign and marketing push. Its been annoying for us to wait and some people criticized but its kept the hype up and kept people excited and constantly wanting more. It might not have been the best for us as we wanted to know everything right away but it seems to have been the best strategy to actually sell the console.

Their communication could definitely have been much clearer at times and they still messed some things up, but that stuff has been pretty independent from the main marketing push
so what your saying is you think MS is totally ahead at this point?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: DerNebel on Oct 15, 2020, 08:50 PM
I think its clear as we get closer to launch that Sony knew exactly what they were doing with their PS5 advertising campaign and marketing push. Its been annoying for us to wait and some people criticized but its kept the hype up and kept people excited and constantly wanting more. It might not have been the best for us as we wanted to know everything right away but it seems to have been the best strategy to actually sell the console.

Their communication could definitely have been much clearer at times and they still messed some things up, but that stuff has been pretty independent from the main marketing push
By and large I agree, however I believe the delayed cross gen announcements for Horizon, Miles Morales and Sackboy were still unnecessary and an outrage Sony should have been able to see a mile away.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 15, 2020, 11:02 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 16, 2020, 01:35 AM
PSVR Worlds
Astro Bot: Rescue Mission
Everybody's Golf VR
Spider-Man
God of War
God of War 3: Remastered

Have all gotten recent strange patches.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 16, 2020, 07:29 PM
I hope we get updates on the store. It's so broken.  

I click on games under $15, the second one on the list is $80.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Oct 17, 2020, 02:45 AM
(2/2) PS5が「ゲーム機史上最大に売れまくる」と言えるワケ、推定原価はなんと… |ビジネス+IT (https://www.sbbit.jp/article/cont1/44665?page=2)


300 mil ps5 prediction. 700 mil upper end.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 17, 2020, 02:59 AM
(2/2) PS5が「ゲーム機史上最大に売れまくる」と言えるワケ、推定原価はなんと… |ビジネス+IT (https://www.sbbit.jp/article/cont1/44665?page=2)


300 mil ps5 prediction. 700 mil upper end.
I'm sorry, what?   300 million ps5 lifetime sales?!?!   that's crazy as an upper end..
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Oct 17, 2020, 05:38 AM
I'm sorry, what?   300 million ps5 lifetime sales?!?!   that's crazy as an upper end..
Yeah I always love analyst predictions at the start of a new gen.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 17, 2020, 01:03 PM
Yeah I always love analyst predictions at the start of a new gen.
Can't remember the exact prediction, but I recall the PS4 getting a similar one.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 21, 2020, 03:40 PM
(https://i.redd.it/gmho4s3hhgu51.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkuD3hMXYAAHTdZ?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Oct 21, 2020, 03:54 PM
I think I might end up buying one of those headphones. My old headset is partially broken and my speaker system had some issues with TLOU2. Breaking glass was so incredibly loud compared to everything else!

Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: nnodley on Oct 21, 2020, 08:16 PM
my friend ended up not wanting to buy the gamestop bundle i got so i cancelled it.  Then ordered another dualsense and charging dock from sony's online store since those are releasing on Oct 30 on there.  Headset it sold out everywhere.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 23, 2020, 01:56 PM


I guess this is a guy from CNET/Giant Bomb.   probably means ps5 hands-on stories next week.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 23, 2020, 02:05 PM
more:





next week should be a very good week.  xD
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: Legend on Oct 23, 2020, 04:23 PM
What's in the box!?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| Air Dropped
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 23, 2020, 04:29 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 23, 2020, 05:50 PM


Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 23, 2020, 06:13 PM


Real?

99.99% sure this is fake actually. 
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 23, 2020, 08:11 PM
more:





next week should be a very good week.  xD
Pretty much everyone has posted they've gotten a PS5.  

At least in the US.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 23, 2020, 08:13 PM
Pretty much everyone has posted they've gotten a PS5.  

At least in the US.
i didn't get one...
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 23, 2020, 08:35 PM
not new thread worthy but also not sure where i would post this so here you go:

best thing i've read on the internet all week:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/dirt-5-dev-ps5-and-xbox-series-x-gpu-gap-doesn%E2%80%99t-really-have-a-development-impact.311668/post-49254448


Quote
Xbox fanboys will be playing with a magnifying glass and PlayStation fanboys will be playing with stop watches.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 23, 2020, 10:32 PM
PSVR Worlds
Astro Bot: Rescue Mission
Everybody's Golf VR
Spider-Man
God of War
God of War 3: Remastered

Have all gotten recent strange patches.
New:
The Last of Us Remastered
Resident Evil 7
Final Fantasy VII: Remake
Concrete Genie
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Oct 23, 2020, 10:47 PM
Exciting that lots of people are getting hands on PS5, hopefully we get some juicy info soon.

New:
The Last of Us Remastered
Resident Evil 7
Final Fantasy VII: Remake
Concrete Genie
Good additions, Ghost also got a lot of bug fix updates recently, any one of them could be for PS5.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 24, 2020, 07:48 PM
27th for unboxing, 6th for some more stuff, and then various embargos for launch games. It's all over the place. :)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Oct 24, 2020, 11:09 PM
27th for unboxing, 6th for some more stuff, and then various embargos for launch games. It's all over the place. :)
So basically we're waiting til the 6th for probably hands on UI and BC stuff then we'll get a drop of previews/ reviews of launch games after that.

Hopefully Sony gives us stuff in the next two weeks, like a showing of destruction allstars.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 26, 2020, 02:51 AM

Cerny is ready for PS5.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Oct 26, 2020, 01:38 PM

Cerny is ready for PS5.
like he's not already playing ps5. lmao
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Oct 26, 2020, 04:51 PM
ayyyy. My dualsense i ordered from Sony shipped!!! Too bad no console yet to play with it.  Hopefully i can use it on PC for now.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Oct 26, 2020, 09:19 PM
ohhh and now the dualsense charging dock shipped!!!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 26, 2020, 09:37 PM
ayyyy. My dualsense i ordered from Sony shipped!!! Too bad no console yet to play with it.  Hopefully i can use it on PC for now.
ohhh and now the dualsense charging dock shipped!!!
your wallet is $100 lighter and you can't play anything..
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 26, 2020, 09:43 PM
your wallet is $100 lighter and you can't play anything..
He can use it on PC, PS4.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 27, 2020, 01:44 AM
Also confirmed:

Xbox Series X/S Unboxing Embargo is set for October 30th at 0:00 AM PST / 08:00 CET.

Xbox Series X/S Embargo (Review) is set for November 5th at 6:00 AM PST / 14:00 CET.

PS5 Unboxing Embargo is set for October 27th at 05:00 AM PST / 13:00 CET.

PS5 Review Embargo is set for November 6th at 6:00 AM PST / 14:00 CET.

Spider-Man: Miles Morales (PS5) Review Embargo is set for November 6th at 6:00 AM PST / 14:00 CET.

Astro's Playroom (PS5) Review Embargo is set for November 6th at 6:00 AM PST / 14:00 CET.

Source: @twitter nextgen_ishere
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Oct 27, 2020, 02:46 AM
Guess Astro's Playroom is being treated like wii sports. Didn't really expect that. Wonder if it'll ever be sold separately.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Oct 27, 2020, 08:01 PM
so looks like i'm getting my dualsense and charging dock tomorrow.  2 days before the sony website says is release date.  Noice!!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Oct 27, 2020, 08:26 PM
so looks like i'm getting my dualsense and charging dock tomorrow.  2 days before the sony website says is release date.  Noice!!
I'm lowkey hoping a similar thing happens with PS5s sold through their store.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Oct 28, 2020, 01:48 PM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-studios-ot15-compatible-with-99-of-previous-ots-see-threadmarks-for-list-of-unsupported-ots.306661/page-198#post-49658197

Bugsnax, Hollow Knight, Shadow of War are Nov PS+ titles.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Oct 28, 2020, 01:49 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 28, 2020, 02:23 PM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-studios-ot15-compatible-with-99-of-previous-ots-see-threadmarks-for-list-of-unsupported-ots.306661/page-198#post-49658197

Bugsnax, Hollow Knight, Shadow of War are Nov PS+ titles.
fudge yeah, that's a perfect gamepass ps+ game!!   i wanted to play it but not enough to pay for it.    

also excited for hollow knight,.. it's been on sale quite a few times and quite a few times it has been in my shopping cart with me debating on will i or won't i buy it.   at $5 i would have bought it but at $10 it seemed just a bit too expensive.

good month for me.   ..and with destruction all-stars just around the corner i'll definitely feel like i'm getting my $45 of ps+ value in for the year.   it's been quite a few months without anything i've wanted to play lately.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Oct 28, 2020, 02:53 PM
Kinda a disappointing month for PS5 though. Only one game with a PS5 version.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 28, 2020, 03:34 PM
Kinda a disappointing month for PS5 though. Only one game with a PS5 version.
99.9% BC so ps5 gets all 3 games + the 17 playstation collection games.   what more do you want for day one?!? 
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Oct 28, 2020, 03:43 PM
99.9% BC so ps5 gets all 3 games + the 17 playstation collection games.   what more do you want for day one?!?  
Indeed. Speaking of ps+ collection, crash n sane trilogy and black ops 3 have been added to it, so it's now 20 games.

Bugsnax on ps+ is only the ps5 version.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 28, 2020, 03:47 PM
Indeed. Speaking of ps+ collection, crash n sane trilogy and black ops 3 have been added to it, so it's now 20 games.

Bugsnax on ps+ is only the ps5 version.
say what?!?  where and how did you see that and I didn't?

i'm cool with that personally, that's where i would have played anways.  I just don't like their phrasing much and will feel better once I get to "redeem" the game via the web store so i know i have the game waiting for me once i get my ps5 early next year.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Oct 28, 2020, 03:50 PM
99.9% BC so ps5 gets all 3 games + the 17 playstation collection games.   what more do you want for day one?!?  
I'm not going to buy any PS5 games for a while so I want as much as I can get lol.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Oct 28, 2020, 03:52 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/52BghIe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/g4irzSV.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lWMrTlQ.png)

ohhhhhhhhhhh.  Its soooo good!!!!!

sorry huge pics. lmao
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 28, 2020, 04:00 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/52BghIe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/g4irzSV.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lWMrTlQ.png)

ohhhhhhhhhhh.  Its soooo good!!!!!

sorry huge pics. lmao
you're a white guy?!?

I always imagined you looked like:
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/astral-domination/images/d/d1/Noodleman.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20190521160944)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Oct 28, 2020, 04:01 PM
say what?!?  where and how did you see that and I didn't?

i'm cool with that personally, that's where i would have played anways.  I just don't like their phrasing much and will feel better once I get to "redeem" the game via the web store so i know i have the game waiting for me once i get my ps5 early next year.
It's all in their tweet and blog post.

Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 28, 2020, 04:08 PM
It's all in their tweet and blog post.


ah, i see it now.   very stealthy.  they should have put more attention on there being even more games are coming then originally announced.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 28, 2020, 04:09 PM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-studios-ot15-compatible-with-99-of-previous-ots-see-threadmarks-for-list-of-unsupported-ots.306661/page-198#post-49658197

Bugsnax, Hollow Knight, Shadow of War are Nov PS+ titles.
Holy shame

ah, i see it now.   very stealthy.  they should have put more attention on there being even more games are coming then originally announced.
More?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: DerNebel on Oct 28, 2020, 04:35 PM
It's all in their tweet and blog post.


So is that blogpost confirmation that all the games in the PS+ Collection take advantage of PS5 Game Boost? Including Bloodborne? I'm still not clear on how that works.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 28, 2020, 04:39 PM
So is that blogpost confirmation that all the games in the PS+ Collection take advantage of PS5 Game Boost? Including Bloodborne? I'm still not clear on how that works.
As I understand it, yes
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: DerNebel on Oct 28, 2020, 04:44 PM
As I understand it, yes
Would be interesting to know the impact that will have. Even though I'm not itching to go play that game again any time soon.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 28, 2020, 05:08 PM
So is that blogpost confirmation that all the games in the PS+ Collection take advantage of PS5 Game Boost? Including Bloodborne? I'm still not clear on how that works.
Every* game supports boost mode, whether every game benefits from boost mode is a different story.

Boost mode just runs the system at full clocks. It can't tell a game to start doubling frame rate or resolution.

So unless Bloodborne gets a patch, the only thing we might see is some reduced frame pacing issues.


Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Oct 28, 2020, 05:28 PM
Hold hands alone or with a special someone in Haven, out December 3 on PS5 - PlayStation.Blog (https://blog.playstation.com/2020/10/28/hold-hands-alone-or-with-a-special-someone-in-haven-out-december-3-on-ps5/)

This looks interesting

Revealing the global launch ad for PS5 - PlayStation.Blog (https://blog.playstation.com/2020/10/28/revealing-the-global-launch-ad-for-ps5/)

Hype
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Oct 28, 2020, 05:46 PM
Hold hands alone or with a special someone in Haven, out December 3 on PS5 - PlayStation.Blog (https://blog.playstation.com/2020/10/28/hold-hands-alone-or-with-a-special-someone-in-haven-out-december-3-on-ps5/)

This looks interesting

Revealing the global launch ad for PS5 - PlayStation.Blog (https://blog.playstation.com/2020/10/28/revealing-the-global-launch-ad-for-ps5/)

Hype
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 28, 2020, 07:01 PM

zomg.  i can't even watch this one.   stupid company IT restrictions..
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 29, 2020, 01:39 AM
New:
The Last of Us Remastered
Resident Evil 7
Final Fantasy VII: Remake
Concrete Genie
Days Gone (https://www.resetera.com/threads/days-gone-receives-25gb-update.315022/) don't see anything about loading times but it's a beefy patch.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Oct 29, 2020, 10:19 AM
People on era are doing this, so might as well fill it in here. PS+ collection games:

Bloodborne - Owned & loved
 Days Gone - Don't own & somewhat interested
 Detroit Become Human - Owned & liked
 God of War -Owned & best game on PS4
 Infamous Second Son - Owned & liked a lot
 Ratchet & Clank - Owned & liked
 The Last Guardian - Don't own & slightly interested
 The Last of Us Remastered - Owned & masterpiece
 Until Dawn - Don't own & not interested, watched two playthroughs before
 Uncharted 4 - Owned & loved
 Batman Arkham Knight - Owned & liked a lot
 Battlefield 1 - Owned & liked
 COD Black Ops 3 - Owned & liked
 Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy - Owned & liked a lot
 Fallout 4 - Don't own & not interested
 FFXV Royal Edition - Own base game & it was fairly good
 Monster Hunter: World - Don't own & very interested
 Mortal Kombat X - Don't own & not interested
 Persona 5 - Don't own & interested
 Resident Evil 7 - Don't own & not interested

I don't own 8/20 games and am interested in playing 4 of those.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Oct 29, 2020, 11:45 AM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Oct 30, 2020, 01:15 PM


Oh wow this looks fantastic.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Oct 30, 2020, 01:34 PM



New long gameplay demo showing some open world and side stuff.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: DerNebel on Oct 30, 2020, 02:14 PM


Oh wow this looks fantastic.
I'm glad I'm in my home office cause I wouldn't want my co-workers see me react like a giddy kid to this, but this is so dope. :D
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Oct 30, 2020, 02:30 PM
You know, its funny that playstation has the best controller now (by seemingly all accounts from people who have both). The controller was one point where PS was trailing xbox for so long. PS4 finally caught up a lot but most still preferred xbox, and now we have a situation where playstation innovated heavily with their new controller and everyone is blown away, and xbox did almost nothing.

Playstation eliminating what used to be one of their biggest weaknesses, I think its quite significant.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 30, 2020, 02:37 PM
You know, its funny that playstation has the best controller now (by seemingly all accounts from people who have both). The controller was one point where PS was trailing xbox for so long. PS4 finally caught up a lot but most still preferred xbox, and now we have a situation where playstation innovated heavily with their new controller and everyone is blown away, and xbox did almost nothing.

Playstation eliminating what used to be one of their biggest weaknesses, I think its quite significant.
You know that is funny.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: DerNebel on Oct 30, 2020, 02:44 PM
You know, its funny that playstation has the best controller now (by seemingly all accounts from people who have both). The controller was one point where PS was trailing xbox for so long. PS4 finally caught up a lot but most still preferred xbox, and now we have a situation where playstation innovated heavily with their new controller and everyone is blown away, and xbox did almost nothing.

Playstation eliminating what used to be one of their biggest weaknesses, I think its quite significant.
Yes, but you see Assassin's Creed isn't native 4K. Clearly that's a real problem that people are going to notice real soon... when they are pausing their games to pull out the magnifying glass.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 30, 2020, 04:19 PM
Quote
* on Xbox Series X|S, all our Xbox One games will be backward compatible. On PlayStation®5, all games will be backward compatible except the following ones: Assassin's Creed Syndicate, Assassin's Creed Chronicles Trilogy Pack, Assassin's Creed Chronicles India, Assassin's Creed Chronicles China, Assassin's Creed Chronicles Russia, Risk, Star Trek Bridge Crew, Werewolves Within, Space Junkies.
News - Ubisoft Connect (https://ubisoftconnect.com/en-US/news/ignt.23726)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Oct 30, 2020, 06:43 PM
News - Ubisoft Connect (https://ubisoftconnect.com/en-US/news/ignt.23726)
say what?  that's an awful lot of non-BC titles compared to the list sony posted.   what's going on?!?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 30, 2020, 07:44 PM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/uploadvr-current-psvr-headset-cannot-be-used-for-ps5-games-ps4-versions-of-hitman-3-and-no-mans-sky-needed-for-vr.316411/#post-49919050


Interesting to see Matt comment on this.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Oct 30, 2020, 07:45 PM
Imgur: The magic of the Internet (https://imgur.com/ojMm3pa)

Miles Morales on PS5 load times - from booting the game cold, through the game menus and into the open world takes 15 seconds total.

If you can't watch - PS5 home screen to controllable game menu is about 10 seconds, game loads from menu in about 2 seconds.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Oct 30, 2020, 07:54 PM
Imgur: The magic of the Internet (https://imgur.com/ojMm3pa)

Miles Morales on PS5 load times - from booting the game cold, through the game menus and into the open world takes 15 seconds total.

If you can't watch - PS5 home screen to controllable game menu is about 10 seconds, game loads from menu in about 2 seconds.
As a comparison to this, Spidey PS4 loads to controllable menu in about 48 seconds, game loads from menu in about 30 seconds for a total of 1min 20 seconds to get into the open world.

That's a revolutionary difference.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Oct 31, 2020, 11:07 AM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Oct 31, 2020, 08:55 PM
https://i.imgur.com/M1roSvv.jpg(https://i.imgur.com/M1roSvv.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/M1roSvv.jpg)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on Nov 01, 2020, 01:08 AM
My dual sense will be her tomorrow.  ;D
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 01, 2020, 01:47 PM
I'm debating getting Miles Morales on PS4 so I can play it a week early and get in one some of the fun for that week while I'm waiting for PS5.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on Nov 01, 2020, 11:15 PM
I guess it won't be here today..  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 02, 2020, 03:49 PM
I guess it won't be here today..  
Hey at least you're still getting it super early!

Also anyone need my Amazon PS5 order? I'm going to get rid of it.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 02, 2020, 03:55 PM
Hey at least you're still getting it super early!

Also anyone need my Amazon PS5 order? I'm going to get rid of it.

Let me talk with my wife!  Is the digital or is there a disc?  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 02, 2020, 04:01 PM
Let me talk with my wife!  Is the digital or is there a disc?  
It's the big boy with the disc.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 02, 2020, 04:03 PM
It's the big boy with the disc.
Does Amazon tend to do good with launches?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 02, 2020, 04:06 PM
Does Amazon tend to do good with launches?
in my experience no.  i've never done hardware but like half of my disc pre-orders were late.  sometimes really, really late.   ....late enough that i just canceled the order and drove to the store to buy the game i wanted because being more than 2 weeks late on a game is ridiculous.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 02, 2020, 04:11 PM
Does Amazon tend to do good with launches?
Back during PS4 it arrived on launch day. I'm fine just changing the shipping address to your location and charging $540 to cover tax.

in my experience no.  i've never done hardware but like half of my disc pre-orders were late.  sometimes really, really late.   ....late enough that i just canceled the order and drove to the store to buy the game i wanted because being more than 2 weeks late on a game is ridiculous.  
I had that happen with FF15 I think. Received the shipping notification saying it'd arrive on launch day, yet it just stayed at some random location. Eventually contacted customer support and it hadn't actually shipped at all.
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Post by: kitler53 on Nov 02, 2020, 04:18 PM
I had that happen with FF15 I think. Received the shipping notification saying it'd arrive on launch day, yet it just stayed at some random location. Eventually contacted customer support and it hadn't actually shipped at all.
yeah, it was hit and miss for me.  the games that shipped on time generally showed up 1-day early.  i wouldn't have cared if it arrived 1 day late but i got really, really angry about pre-orders that didn't even ship until days/weeks after the release date.  not sure what went wrong but i did stop pre-ordering from amazon. 

i'm kinda jelly about you day-1 guys but i'm sticking to my guns on this.   i'll buy early 2021 near the launch of ratchet and clank or GoW (which ever comes first).  i'm still holding out some hope for a R&C or GoW special edition but that's probably a fools hope.  demand will be soo high in the launch window i'm sure it's not worth sony's time to make any special editions until 2022.
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Post by: Legend on Nov 02, 2020, 04:27 PM
yeah, it was hit and miss for me.  the games that shipped on time generally showed up 1-day early.  i wouldn't have cared if it arrived 1 day late but i got really, really angry about pre-orders that didn't even ship until days/weeks after the release date.  not sure what went wrong but i did stop pre-ordering from amazon.  

i'm kinda jelly about you day-1 guys but i'm sticking to my guns on this.   i'll buy early 2021 near the launch of ratchet and clank or GoW (which ever comes first).  i'm still holding out some hope for a R&C or GoW special edition but that's probably a fools hope.  demand will be soo high in the launch window i'm sure it's not worth sony's time to make any special editions until 2022.

I'm pretty much only buying a PS5 day one to play my backlog and help with game development. None of the launch exclusives are must haves for me.


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Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 02, 2020, 04:30 PM
I'm pretty much only buying a PS5 day one to play my backlog and help with game development. None of the launch exclusives are must haves for me.



Give me yours. Spidey, Demons Souls, Bugsnax are all must haves for me
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Post by: Legend on Nov 02, 2020, 04:40 PM
Give me yours. Spidey, Demons Souls, Bugsnax are all must haves for me
Well I have two.

Time for a thunderdome between you and Pi?
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Post by: kitler53 on Nov 02, 2020, 06:15 PM
I'm pretty much only buying a PS5 day one to play my backlog and help with game development. None of the launch exclusives are must haves for me.
well demon's souls, spiderman, and sackboy are all must plays for me.  Godfall and bugsnax are want to plays as well.    but as I've said in relation to gamepass,.. i very rarely buy games day-1 (only three times last gen).   Ratchet and clank and GoW are the only 2 in the near future that are day-1 titles for me.   i've got no problem waiting for price drops on any of these.   i mean, i call spiderman a must play but i waited for the last spiderman to drop to $20 to buy it and still haven't played it so clearly waiting is not a problem for me.

honestly the combo of BC and SSD is the most compelling reason for me to upgrade early out of any gen so far.  ..but i'd prefer to wait for at least 1 must play day-1 title first.
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Post by: Legend on Nov 02, 2020, 08:00 PM
well demon's souls, spiderman, and sackboy are all must plays for me.  Godfall and bugsnax are want to plays as well.    but as I've said in relation to gamepass,.. i very rarely buy games day-1 (only three times last gen).   Ratchet and clank and GoW are the only 2 in the near future that are day-1 titles for me.   i've got no problem waiting for price drops on any of these.   i mean, i call spiderman a must play but i waited for the last spiderman to drop to $20 to buy it and still haven't played it so clearly waiting is not a problem for me.

honestly the combo of BC and SSD is the most compelling reason for me to upgrade early out of any gen so far.  ..but i'd prefer to wait for at least 1 must play day-1 title first.
I feel fine not waiting because I doubt the PS5 price will have decreased by the time I jump in. $500 today or $500 next year, might as well start enjoying it now.
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Post by: kitler53 on Nov 02, 2020, 08:07 PM
I feel fine not waiting because I doubt the PS5 price will have decreased by the time I jump in. $500 today or $500 next year, might as well start enjoying it now.
a fair point.  

but if ps5 is dead on arrival because xbox is the clear market favorite i'll say $500 by not buying the wrong system..
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Post by: Legend on Nov 02, 2020, 08:16 PM
a fair point.  

but if ps5 is dead on arrival because xbox is the clear market favorite i'll say $500 by not buying the wrong system..
I'm buying both so I'm wasting $500 either way

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 02, 2020, 09:14 PM

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Here's where the creator's intent comes in. The PS5 is not merely sanding off rough edges, nor is it agnostic to how game development works, and the orthodoxies and hierarchies that have, over time, hardened into plain fact. It is, in some ways, a corrective, meant to nudge how studios work.

"There's a pecking order within the game teams. The graphics folks get the lion's share of the hardware resources and the audio team has to struggle to get much anything at all," says Cerny. Once, while briefing a developer on the PS5′s high performance audio processor, he says he was told, "Great, we'll use that unit for AI." During one of his studio tours, Cerny recalled meeting 120 workers -- none of whom worked in audio.

"It isn't as if the developers didn't know I wanted to talk audio. In fact, I'd made it fairly explicit. It's that audio is somehow viewed as being auxiliary to the rest of the game, when it's absolutely at the center," says Cerny. "During game development it's pretty typical to make a first playable demo that over-indexes on the graphics -- the graphics might be at near-publishable quality -- but have audio that's just placeholder."

3-D audio, which, as the name implies, positions audio in space around the player, is a passion of Cerny's. "Game audio is certainly functional," he says. "I wanted it to be amazing." To develop it, he enlisted the work of international experts across Tokyo, San Mateo and London. ("Trust me when I tell you that makes it rather hard to schedule a teleconference," said Cerny). Now, because audio is so crucial to immersion (and is thereby important to Cerny) the PS5 boasts impressive new audio capabilities. And in the meantime, the old way of doing things -- in this case, sidelining audio engineers -- is quietly being nudged.

"Returnal" is a third person shooter about a space pilot stuck in a time loop.
"Returnal" is a third person shooter about a space pilot stuck in a time loop. (Sony Interactive Entertainment)
"The audio side is now more of a full team blending a wide range of expertise, including level and enemy design," said Harry Krueger, game director on "Returnal," a third person shooter about a space pilot stuck in a time loop. It's also a horror game, where audio really matters in creating the proper tension for players. "Each sound source is recorded in relation to how a real person would hear the sound actually coming from each direction. … It's similar to the way we have always done things, but now we simply record things many times from many directions, apply more nuanced layers, and then of course spend even more time tweaking things in the final product."

The same holds for developers implementing haptic feedback in the controller, which replaces rumble to offer a more tactile play experience.

"Rumble always used to be something we would put in at the end. It was like, 'Oh we need to put the rumble in because there's camera shake.' Haptics is completely different," said Gavin Moore, creative director of the "Demon's Souls" PS5 remake. "It's something that you have to think about from the start because it works with the visual and the audio."
PlayStation 5 release: The PS5 aims to deliver a whole new feel for games - Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/video-games/ps-5-release-games-features/)
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Post by: Legend on Nov 02, 2020, 09:26 PM
I still don't care that much about audio.  :P

Also I was unimpressed by HD rumble in the switch.

Spoiler for Hidden:
Give me that audio powered ai lol
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 02, 2020, 09:26 PM
I've thought about Sony's push with 3D audio and haptics that these are Sony's progress on immersion from VR research. And that's probably the case.  

But I suddenly had a thought that maybe it's not quite that simple.  It almost feels like a way of kind of putting psuedo-VR into the mass market's hands. "That crazy sensation of putting you into the game with audio, haptics, we can do that with visuals too."
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 02, 2020, 09:33 PM
I've thought about Sony's push with 3D audio and haptics that these are Sony's progress on immersion from VR research. And that's probably the case.  

But I suddenly had a thought that maybe it's not quite that simple.  It almost feels like a way of kind of putting psuedo-VR into the mass market's hands. "That crazy sensation of putting you into the game with audio, haptics, we can do that with visuals too."
PS5 is all about immersion, but it's mass market immersion. Pseudo- VR might be a better description than proto-vr.

At the very least it's exciting to have a console that is trying to shake things up.
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Post by: kitler53 on Nov 03, 2020, 12:42 AM
PlayStation 5 release: The PS5 aims to deliver a whole new feel for games - Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/video-games/ps-5-release-games-features/)
sounds great to me. I also think audio is a crucial part of a game experience and wished it play a more central role in game design. 

I still don't care that much about audio.  :P

Also I was unimpressed by HD rumble in the switch.

Spoiler for Hidden:
Give me that audio powered ai lol

every once and a while I come home from work really late and I need to wait for my train in chicago union station.  

the place is pretty much empty at midnight but all 15 train lines have an automated audio announcing when the next train is coming\going on a loop which are all located 15 ft (or whatever) apart down the hallway. 

on occasion a women in high heels will be walking to a train with a very audialble clunk on each step approaching the trains from the main entrance. 

there is a slight echo in the hall for each sound. 

it is an amazing audio experience that I have often wishes could be recreated in a video game.  it has this really eerie atmosphere that would be amazing in a game similar to dead space where you can hear the approach of some unknown thing. 
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 03, 2020, 06:13 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Nov 03, 2020, 06:38 PM
guessing that's mostly boost mode.  No way it can't hit 60fps and 4k on ps5

it would be nice if at least sony's first party would patch and make all theirs native 4k and 60fps
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 03, 2020, 06:53 PM
guessing that's mostly boost mode.  No way it can't hit 60fps and 4k on ps5

it would be nice if at least sony's first party would patch and make all theirs native 4k and 60fps
Yep it's boost mode.
Ghost of Tsushima, Days Gone so far are the only ones.
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Post by: nnodley on Nov 04, 2020, 03:35 PM
i wish amazon would update my delivery estimate.  I would think with just about a week left it should be by now.  Hopefully in a few days.  If its gonna ship for release day it will likely ship by tuesday/wednesday
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 04, 2020, 03:52 PM
i wish amazon would update my delivery estimate.  I would think with just about a week left it should be by now.  Hopefully in a few days.  If its gonna ship for release day it will likely ship by tuesday/wednesday

I'm so nervous.  :'(
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 04, 2020, 04:15 PM
i wish amazon would update my delivery estimate.  I would think with just about a week left it should be by now.  Hopefully in a few days.  If its gonna ship for release day it will likely ship by tuesday/wednesday

My xbox series x still hasn't updated. Once that happens, PS5 can't be far behind.


Last time around I remember them using 2 day shipping.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Nov 04, 2020, 05:39 PM
My xbox series x still hasn't updated. Once that happens, PS5 can't be far behind.


Last time around I remember them using 2 day shipping.
yeah when i did ps4 mine was release day delivery with 2-day shipping


also i cancelled my Series X.  Just figured i'd play the ps5 the most right now anyway and will grab a series x down the line sometime next year.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 04, 2020, 06:40 PM
i don't know how you guys can continue a discussion about video games right now.   maybe it's just my depression but i just can't even a flying fudge about playstation today.  the world is in the balance and could be dead by the end of the day...
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Post by: BananaKing on Nov 04, 2020, 06:56 PM
I'll tell you how dear kitler. Its because those who are outside the US, dont really give a flying fudge.

Sure, Biden is better than trump, but still... those outside the USA don't rally care much
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Post by: nnodley on Nov 04, 2020, 07:26 PM
I'll tell you how dear kitler. Its because those who are outside the US, dont really give a flying fudge.

Sure, Biden is better than trump, but still... those outside the USA don't rally care much
honestly i'm in the US and i don't even give a flying fudge.  Both candidates suck dog, but just so happens Biden isn't as bad.   World will go on either way.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 04, 2020, 07:28 PM
i don't know how you guys can continue a discussion about video games right now.  
Some of us need a distraction.  


Quote
maybe it's just my depression but i just can't even a flying fudge about playstation today.  the world is in the balance and could be dead by the end of the day...
We know where we are at, at this point. Biden is almost certainly in.  
But we are not making the Senate.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 05, 2020, 11:38 AM


This video sold me on Dirt 5 for PS5 launch. Its thankfully normal price here (£45) so I don't have the debate over whether its worth a ridiculous extra £25 like I do for other launch games. I really wanna use the dualsense for a racing game that's optimised for it, that's one of the top things I'm hyped for with next gen. Can't wait.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 05, 2020, 12:08 PM


This video sold me on Dirt 5 for PS5 launch. Its thankfully normal price here (£45) so I don't have the debate over whether its worth a ridiculous extra £25 like I do for other launch games. I really wanna use the dualsense for a racing game that's optimised for it, that's one of the top things I'm hyped for with next gen. Can't wait.

It's made by the DriveClub devs. ;)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 05, 2020, 12:12 PM
It's made by the DriveClub devs. ;)
Yep, one reason I've been really wanting it but I had reservations and waited for reviews. It sounds a bit more arcadey than Driveclub and I prefer Tarmac racing to offroad but its good enough for me, especially as an early next gen title.
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Post by: Legend on Nov 05, 2020, 06:21 PM
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Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 06, 2020, 01:24 AM

Now that's a trailer!
Really colorful and fast-paced gameplay. Hopefully it is a great game!
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Post by: Xevross on Nov 06, 2020, 11:33 AM
PS5 reviews out today.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 06, 2020, 11:38 AM
From review thread, PS5 has quick resume confirmed by metro.

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Like the Xbox Series X, the PlayStation 5 is also able to quick resume a game if you turn it off and come back to it later. Although the Switcher icon that some noticed on the Home menu is basically just a history button, showing you the last few games or apps that you used and starting them up from scratch if you want to play them again.
Edit: could just be one game from this wording though, so would be same as PS4.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 07, 2020, 01:50 AM
Really impressed with PS5 BC from the DF video

Now devs just need to patch their games to 4k60fps. Problem is that the Ps4 Pro had performance modes in many games where the res was usually 1080p with unlocked framerate, or 4k checkerboard with 30fps locked. PS5 can't unlock the framerate or increase the res 
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Post by: nnodley on Nov 07, 2020, 03:16 PM
i can't believe we are less than a week away from ps5!!
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 07, 2020, 04:24 PM
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Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on Nov 07, 2020, 11:55 PM
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Post by: kitler53 on Nov 08, 2020, 01:15 AM

omg this guy is good.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: SWORDF1SH on Nov 08, 2020, 01:56 AM

I thought this guy quit doing this
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 08, 2020, 02:03 AM
I thought this guy quit doing this
He came back due to Covid

Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: BananaKing on Nov 08, 2020, 03:39 AM
omg this guy is good.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTYIqy0Schyys8HPRkKVQkXWMrilGSLxmzACA&usqp=CAU)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 08, 2020, 07:32 PM
It seems PS5 doesn't allow VRR or 1440p right now (just 4k,1080p and lower). Also no 8k. This is despite Sony advertising 8k and VRR
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Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 08, 2020, 07:40 PM
DS remake reviews when?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 08, 2020, 07:46 PM
DS remake reviews when?
Well they first have to make a death stranding remake.
It seems PS5 doesn't allow VRR or 1440p right now (just 4k,1080p and lower). Also no 8k. This is despite Sony advertising 8k and VRR
Next gen coming in hot!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 09, 2020, 01:28 AM
Well they first have to make a death stranding remake.Next gen coming in hot!
They must enable it later?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 09, 2020, 01:43 AM
They must enable it later?
Seems they will.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 09, 2020, 02:02 AM
Like 3.5 days, I hope.  :-X
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Hynad on Nov 09, 2020, 04:56 AM
When it comes to VRR, it will come soon enough with a firmware update.

Their X900H TV set doesn't support it right now either, but they said it's coming in a few days via a firmware update. I am guessing they will roll it out for both the TV and PS5 around the same time.
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 09, 2020, 09:59 PM
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Do you have a preference between a vertical or horizontal orientation, aesthetically speaking or otherwise?
I don't have a PS5 yet. laughter If I could get one, personally, I would go for both. I designed both [the standard and digital editions of the PlayStation 5], so I would buy both and place one vertically and one horizontally.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/launcher-ps5-designer-%E2%80%98when-i-started-drawing-it-was-much-larger%E2%80%99.322456/#post-51036682
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Post by: Legend on Nov 09, 2020, 10:07 PM
I really love the look of the PS5, at least in pictures. Every time I see this image I just love it.

(https://i1.wp.com/www.otaquest.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/PS5-Shutdown.png?resize=768%2C429&ssl=1)
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Post by: Xevross on Nov 09, 2020, 10:32 PM
I really love the look of the PS5, at least in pictures. Every time I see this image I just love it.

(https://i1.wp.com/www.otaquest.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/PS5-Shutdown.png?resize=768%2C429&ssl=1)
PS5 in vertical orientation is a genuinely gorgeous looking piece of tech. The UI looks amazing too. Can't wait.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 09, 2020, 11:21 PM
Some PS3 games suddenly have price tags on PS store.  

Seems to be the PS Now.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 09, 2020, 11:24 PM
Some PS3 games suddenly have price tags on PS store.  

Seems to be the PS Now.
not seeing it.  link?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 09, 2020, 11:26 PM
not seeing it.  link?
https://www.resetera.com/threads/killzone-3-and-resistance-2-two-games-ps3-games-only-available-on-ps-now-are-appearing-with-price-tags-on-ps-store-on-ps4.322525/

I found Killzone 2, 3, Resistance 3 have price tags. Seem to match up with PS Now prices.  

But strangely most games don't have price tags.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 10, 2020, 12:58 AM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/killzone-3-and-resistance-2-two-games-ps3-games-only-available-on-ps-now-are-appearing-with-price-tags-on-ps-store-on-ps4.322525/

I found Killzone 2, 3, Resistance 3 have price tags. Seem to match up with PS Now prices. 

But strangely most games don't have price tags.
they should just let me buy the steaming rights to individual games.

edit: I'm disappointed that ps now didn't seem to fit into Sony's plan at all.  I still think a service that lets me stream all my digital purchases would be a winner. I wouldn't stream a ton but to have access to my stuff while on the road or while waiting for a download would be great for me.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 10, 2020, 01:07 AM
There had been rumors of a PS Now update.  I think Digital Foundry even mentioned they were under an embargo for PS Now.  

It'll be interesting to see what happens.

- more OS integration, like adding PS Now games to the main page and treating it like a digital title seems likely.  
- being able to buy PS Now titles might also be possible.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 10, 2020, 01:35 AM
Sony gives your PS4 a second life: slinging a PS5 to another room of your house - The Verge (https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/9/21556803/sony-ps5-remote-play-ps4-app-streaming-games)

Oh wow! Don't sell yalls ps4s yet
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 10, 2020, 01:43 AM
Sony gives your PS4 a second life: slinging a PS5 to another room of your house - The Verge (https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/9/21556803/sony-ps5-remote-play-ps4-app-streaming-games)

Oh wow! Don't sell yalls ps4s yet
wasn't going to but even still this isn't a think I would use.  I only game in my gaming den. 
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 10, 2020, 11:34 AM
My GAME pre-order has updated to be using Yodel as the courier for delivery. I'm pretty nervous as I don't think I've ever seen them deliver something before. Hopefully it'll be fine, the delivery is tracked so at least I can keep an eye on it.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 10, 2020, 01:17 PM
My GAME pre-order has updated to be using Yodel as the courier for delivery. I'm pretty nervous as I don't think I've ever seen them deliver something before. Hopefully it'll be fine, the delivery is tracked so at least I can keep an eye on it.
oh man. yodel has the highest damaged delivery rate of any carrier..  g'luck.

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Post by: Legend on Nov 10, 2020, 02:35 PM
@the-Pi-guy

Amazon delayed your PS5 by 2 hours. Now arriving Thursday by 10 PM. Everything still seems fine though.
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Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 10, 2020, 02:38 PM
@the-Pi-guy

Amazon delayed your PS5 by 2 hours. Now arriving Thursday by 10 PM. Everything still seems fine though.
We want a live unboxing
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 10, 2020, 02:40 PM
(https://media.tenor.com/images/e94f37436c75ccb038a1f10d7cca5450/tenor.gif)


That's fine. I doubt it will be that late.
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Post by: nnodley on Nov 10, 2020, 02:57 PM
mine now says by 10pm as well.  I wonder if they are shipping them with amazon delivery instead of UPS.  Cause UPS doesn't deliver past 8pm
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Post by: Xevross on Nov 10, 2020, 04:48 PM
The Pathless reviews about to come out apparently, excited about this one.
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Post by: Xevross on Nov 10, 2020, 05:12 PM
The Pathless Review - IGN (https://www.ign.com/articles/the-pathless-review)

The Pathless for PlayStation 5 Reviews - Metacritic (https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-5/the-pathless)

Seems good so far.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 10, 2020, 05:20 PM
The Pathless Review - IGN (https://www.ign.com/articles/the-pathless-review)

The Pathless for PlayStation 5 Reviews - Metacritic (https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-5/the-pathless)

Seems good so far.
More coming in, will land around 80 it seems. Another very good launch title for PS5, what an amazing lineup.

I might be getting this one, only £30. We'll see.
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Post by: nnodley on Nov 10, 2020, 05:22 PM
yeah i might grab it as well.  I've already got Demon's Souls, Spidey ultimate, Sackboy, Watch Dogs, and Valhalla to play so i'm stacked for a bit.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 10, 2020, 05:32 PM
No DS reviews? Smh
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 10, 2020, 05:34 PM


Looks great on ps5!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 10, 2020, 07:37 PM
We want a live unboxing
I'm so excited I've been thinking about doing this.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 10, 2020, 08:17 PM


Looks great on ps5!
pretty enough but a poor taste of gameplay.  too much walking.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 10, 2020, 11:39 PM
So are we gonna transition out of this thread for talk about games since we have the PS community thread and stuff? Or will this just take over that now?

I'd kind of like to go back to having dedicated discussion threads/ OTs for games but idk if there's enough of us for that.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 10, 2020, 11:42 PM
So are we gonna transition out of this thread for talk about games since we have the PS community thread and stuff? Or will this just take over that now?

I'd kind of like to go back to having dedicated discussion threads/ OTs for games but idk if there's enough of us for that.
Hehe, I was wondering what people wanted to do. 

This is really a PS5 related thread, so stuff like OS updates might be relevant. But we know the hardware and the games would fit well within PS community thread.  But it also seems nice to transition out of the PlayStation community thread.

I'm kind of in favor of this being the new PS community thread, and having dedicated game threads for big games.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 10, 2020, 11:52 PM
Hehe, I was wondering what people wanted to do.  

This is really a PS5 related thread, so stuff like OS updates might be relevant. But we know the hardware and the games would fit well within PS community thread.  But it also seems nice to transition out of the PlayStation community thread.

I'm kind of in favor of this being the new PS community thread, and having dedicated game threads for big games.
The PS community thread has too much history to ditch! I vote we just make this thread about PS5 hardware and UX when its launched. Games can be community or their own threads.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 11, 2020, 12:18 AM
I think we should focus more on multiple community threads. Have the general playstation thread for general things but have other threads for large games and important things. Back like how we had threads for bloodborne and the order.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 11, 2020, 12:26 AM
I vote we have a community thread for each active user allowing us to maintain social distancing on the forum.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 11, 2020, 12:38 AM
I think we should focus more on multiple community threads. Have the general playstation thread for general things but have other threads for large games and important things. Back like how we had threads for bloodborne and the order.
But what do you want for this thread?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 11, 2020, 01:01 AM
Tomorrow I'll be putting my PS3 away.   :'(
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 11, 2020, 01:02 AM
I mea shouldn't this thread just be retired soon after launch? We had launch threads before for games and stuff.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 11, 2020, 01:22 AM
I mea shouldn't this thread just be retired soon after launch? We had launch threads before for games and stuff.
But someone worked so hard on this thread. :(
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 11, 2020, 06:29 AM
But someone worked so hard on this thread. :(
And this thread has been amazing!

Also good news! Your PS5 is preparing to ship from Amazon. Can't edit the order anymore.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 11, 2020, 11:25 AM
Godfall and Sackboy embargos are lifted, they only started them a day or two ago so its mostly early reviews/ in progress so far.

Both about what we were expecting so far it seems.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 11, 2020, 11:49 AM
And this thread has been amazing!

Also good news! Your PS5 is preparing to ship from Amazon. Can't edit the order anymore.
(https://c.tenor.com/anr4PAQ4WYEAAAAM/arresteddevelopment-its-happening.gif)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 11, 2020, 11:52 AM
Godfall and Sackboy embargos are lifted, they only started them a day or two ago so its mostly early reviews/ in progress so far.

Both about what we were expecting so far it seems.
Godfall getting worse reviews than I expected. Looks like it could go sub 60
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 11, 2020, 11:59 AM
Godfall getting worse reviews than I expected. Looks like it could go sub 60
Yeah out of only 6 reviews so far having two 50s and a 40 is terrible. That 85 looks like an outlier. Looks like this might be a deep sale game.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 11, 2020, 12:01 PM
People only getting access to Demon's Souls now but there's no embargo of any kind apparently.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 11, 2020, 12:08 PM
People only getting access to Demon's Souls now but there's no embargo of any kind apparently.
Weird.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 11, 2020, 12:10 PM


Oh my god Dawn French!!!!! fudge, I need it.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 11, 2020, 12:27 PM


Oh my god Dawn French!!!!! fudge, I need it.
The what?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 11, 2020, 12:38 PM
(https://i.redd.it/l57xhmg47ly51.png)

I just thought of a terrible feature.  

Posts that are attached to a clock and only appear when the event is reached.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 11, 2020, 12:40 PM
The what?
Dawn French is a beloved UK comedian.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Nov 11, 2020, 12:41 PM
So mine now says estimated Monday the16th

Fuuuck. But I'll see if it ends up shipping today
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 11, 2020, 01:03 PM
So mine now says estimated Monday the16th

Fuuuck. But I'll see if it ends up shipping today
Europe isn't getting it until the 19th so there's that
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Nov 11, 2020, 01:16 PM
Europe isn't getting it until the 19th so there's that
That's true.

I'm not sure whether it tried to ship and then my banks debit cards only have a $500 limit so it didn't work so it switched to a credit card of mine. So maybe it delayed the shipment.

But I don't know cause I never got an email saying the payment didn't work. Usually I do
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 11, 2020, 02:10 PM
Seems Godfall is following in the footsteps of Ryse and Killzone Shadowfall.

So mine now says estimated Monday the16th

Fuuuck. But I'll see if it ends up shipping today
Ouch. Knock on wood but both mine and Pi's still list tomorrow.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 11, 2020, 03:26 PM
(https://c.tenor.com/iOuBxQT2RXoAAAAM/family-guy-stewie.gif)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 11, 2020, 04:02 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 11, 2020, 04:08 PM

So that's what they mean by fast travel.  :o
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 11, 2020, 04:51 PM

Finally you're faster by fast travelling than not lol
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 11, 2020, 05:13 PM
Finally you're faster by fast travelling than not lol
lol, yes.   too many games last gen fast travel was 50/50 on being faster to walk or fast travel.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 11, 2020, 05:19 PM
Watching Greg on kinda funny's twitch play Demon's Souls and oh my god I want it now.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 11, 2020, 08:06 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 11, 2020, 08:09 PM

Now DF are just heading into fanboy territory lulz
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 11, 2020, 08:18 PM
Now DF are just heading into fanboy territory lulz
Nah.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 11, 2020, 08:25 PM
Now the question on everyone's mind: will my console make it in time from Detroit?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 11, 2020, 08:25 PM
Boy it sure looks like I was wrong about Sackboy. Shouldn't have doubted Sumo.

Now the question on everyone's mind: will my console make it in time from Detroit?
Mine still says Tennessee  ::)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 11, 2020, 08:36 PM
Now the question on everyone's mind: will my console make it in time from Detroit?
Distances are so big in America. I worry when a delivery of mine is still in any other city, even if its less than an hour drive.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 11, 2020, 08:38 PM
Distances are so big in America. I worry when a delivery of mine is still in any other city, even if its less than an hour drive.
And here there are a couple cities an hour away that deliver out here.

So if it's an hour away in the morning, that's when I stop worrying.  ;D
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 11, 2020, 08:53 PM
Boy it sure looks like I was wrong about Sackboy. Shouldn't have doubted Sumo.
sumo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumo_Digital) and tarsier (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarsier_Studios) do good work when given a good project and a decent budget.   both have worked well with sony recently.  both would be good aquisitions (imo) to face the onslaught of MS acquisitions that has already happened and surely will continue to happen.

i also wish sony would buy FromSoftware (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FromSoftware).   that seems like something MS would buy just out of spite for sony to keep the souls games off their platform.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 11, 2020, 09:07 PM
And here there are a couple cities an hour away that deliver out here.

So if it's an hour away in the morning, that's when I stop worrying.  ;D
Yeah. My city isn't big but its big enough that it has its own warehouses and there's lots of deliveries to be made.

PS4 sold about 250k first week here, my home city is about 0.2% of UK population, so that's about 500 PS4s. So yeah, probably a few hundred PS5s will be delivered around me next thursday.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 11, 2020, 09:43 PM
sumo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumo_Digital) and tarsier (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarsier_Studios) do good work when given a good project and a decent budget.   both have worked well with sony recently.  both would be good aquisitions (imo) to face the onslaught of MS acquisitions that has already happened and surely will continue to happen.

i also wish sony would buy FromSoftware (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FromSoftware).   that seems like something MS would buy just out of spite for sony to keep the souls games off their platform.
Agreed about both Sumo and Tarsier. They make great games and have great potential, even if not everything is a hit.

FromSoft would be huge but I hope they can stay independent.

Distances are so big in America. I worry when a delivery of mine is still in any other city, even if its less than an hour drive.
My PS5 is over 1,000 miles away to put it into perspective.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 11, 2020, 10:22 PM
Agreed about both Sumo and Tarsier. They make great games and have great potential, even if not everything is a hit.

FromSoft would be huge but I hope they can stay independent.
independence would be ideal but MS has made their intensions clear.  they are going to buy out as much of the video game industry as they can to monopolize the industry.  sony really needs to be proactive about protecting their playstation brand.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Nov 11, 2020, 10:27 PM
So I guess if my ps5 doesn't ship then I'll just try my luck at getting one on Walmart online tomorrow.  Then just cancel my amazon one if I can. So at least I have one if I can't grab it at walmart
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 11, 2020, 10:30 PM
independence would be ideal but MS has made their intensions clear.  they are going to buy out as much of the video game industry as they can to monopolize the industry.  sony really needs to be proactive about protecting their playstation brand.
From Software would be difficult for MS:
- Japan's laws have protections against foreign acquisitions
- FS is owned by a media conglomerate.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 11, 2020, 10:41 PM
No matter how many times I check UPS, the package doesn't deliver any faster.


First world problems.  :'(
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Nov 11, 2020, 10:45 PM
No matter how many times I check UPS, the package doesn't deliver any faster.


First world problems.  :'(
Mine hasn't even shipped.  :'(
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 12, 2020, 12:25 AM
Is Sony not doing anything at midnight for any regions?

Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 12, 2020, 01:37 AM



The dawn of a new generation: PS5 is almost here - PlayStation.Blog (https://blog.playstation.com/2020/11/11/the-dawn-of-a-new-generation-ps5-is-almost-here/)

Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Nov 12, 2020, 01:43 AM
got my tabs and accounts ready for walmart, best buy, and target.  Walmart has their times set for noon, 3, 6, and 9 tomorrow.  Hopefully some in store near me.   Target hopefully has theirs online ready at midnight like they did for series x and i can get one for a store around 40 miles from me.

LETS GOOOOO!

I don't want to wait till monday.  :'(
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 12, 2020, 04:16 AM
(https://i.redd.it/ecja1eb3uny51.jpg) (http://"https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/jsei4g/got_my_ps5_a_bit_early_and_i_assembled_the_family/")


Big boy.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 12, 2020, 10:24 AM
It's now 50% further away than it was last night.   :'(
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 12, 2020, 10:45 AM
All those lifelong playstation supporters who have decided not to get the ps5 because they couldn't pre-order. Sony must be in shambles
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 12, 2020, 10:58 AM
DualSense just arrived. First impression of just the feel of it while off, its amazing!!

First off it just looks amazing, what a sexy piece of tech. The weight of it is great, its a fair bit heavier than DS4 which is perfect. It also fits into my hands much nicer. It feels a lot like an XB1 controller which just feels amazing to hold and clearly outclassed the dualshock 4, the Dualsense is now on par. The triggers feel a fair bit nicer than the dualshock and the shoulder bumpers are a big improvement. Analogue sticks are much nicer, they grip better and it feels like I have much more precise control, although that may just be due to so much use on my dualshocks.

So yeah, just awesome all round, can't wait to use this thing.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 12, 2020, 11:12 AM
So is anyone going to do a Demon's Souls OT  ;)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Nov 12, 2020, 12:18 PM
Mines preparing to ship now. Guessing I may get it tomorrow or Saturday then
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 12, 2020, 12:28 PM
It's now 50% further away than it was last night.   :'(
(https://c.tenor.com/NNri_UNGAbIAAAAM/fast-and-furious-the-rock.gif)

Edit:
Right now i'm like 60/40 on whether it comes today or tomorrow.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 12, 2020, 02:28 PM
DualSense just arrived. First impression of just the feel of it while off, its amazing!!

First off it just looks amazing, what a sexy piece of tech. The weight of it is great, its a fair bit heavier than DS4 which is perfect. It also fits into my hands much nicer. It feels a lot like an XB1 controller which just feels amazing to hold and clearly outclassed the dualshock 4, the Dualsense is now on par. The triggers feel a fair bit nicer than the dualshock and the shoulder bumpers are a big improvement. Analogue sticks are much nicer, they grip better and it feels like I have much more precise control, although that may just be due to so much use on my dualshocks.

So yeah, just awesome all round, can't wait to use this thing.
Yeah it's great. Only 2 downgrades from ds4 imo. The create+options button are a little tiny. The rumble has less oomph.

I love everything else about it!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 12, 2020, 02:31 PM
Yeah it's great. Only 2 downgrades from ds4 imo. The create+options button are a little tiny. The rumble has less oomph.

I love everything else about it!
Is your PS5 going to make it?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 12, 2020, 02:37 PM
Is your PS5 going to make it?
Yes. Still not sure on yours?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 12, 2020, 02:40 PM
Yes. Still not sure on yours?
It says there was a delay.  

Quote
A late flight has caused a delay. We will update the delivery date as soon as possible.
But it still seems on track for a later delivery today.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 12, 2020, 03:23 PM
Yep, it's happening!!!  

 ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 12, 2020, 03:24 PM
Yep, it's happening!!!  

 ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
YAY!!!!!!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 12, 2020, 03:27 PM
We need a thread for Demon's Souls and Spiderman imo. I'm not buying either though so no thread from me.

Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: DerNebel on Nov 12, 2020, 03:28 PM
Well I bought Demon's Souls and Spider Man MM. Now I get to stare at the boxes for a week and hope Amazon doesn't fudge me over next week.

Though the guy in the store already said that deliveries are expected to arrive between 19th and 26th, since quote: "Trying to deliver 150k consoles in a day would mean no other items could be delivered that day". No idea how literal he meant that number.

Edit: Probably not very
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 12, 2020, 03:29 PM
Era rumor thread
https://www.resetera.com/threads/rumor-sony-to-acquire-bluepoint-games.324523/
Quote
According to my source that is familiar with the development team Bluepoint Games, they're finalizing a deal right now. It seems like Demon's Souls was kind of the "final test", and based on positive reactions, and the fact that Bluepoints work ethic has proven impressive once again Sony started acquisition-based talks with the studio.

The important parts of the deal are as follows

From Bluepoint's angle:
They want to make sure they get a shot at an original IP, they don't want to be simply a "remake studio" (Even if they make more remakes)
While they value and love their independence, they also realize the industry is rapidly growing and evolving. They feel comfortable with their existing partnership with Sony and decided to sell to them.
From Sony's angle:
Very impressed with the work-ethic from Bluepoint. Creates groundbreaking remakes, at a good pace.
They have a good relationship with other SIE studios, particularly Sony Japan Studios that they worked together with during both Shadow of the Colossus and Demon's Souls. (Ape Escape fans, whatupppp) ((that wasn't an ape escape remake teaser, literally don't know anything about what they're doing after souls))
The expertise, skill, and tech that Bluepoint has for their remakes can be used for future projects not necessarily made by them. (In other words, if Team Asobi decides to create an Ape Escape Remake, they can go to Bluepoint for help)

The deal is being finalized and should be announced shortly, the time period I've been given is that it'll happen before February 28th. If it doesn't, it might not happen/be false information given to me. This means that you're free to discredit me as it most likely won't happen for one reason or another

Quote from: mod backing
We've spoken with MarsipanRumpan and while they may have sources, they weren't able to provide any concrete evidence to support these claims. So take it with a grain of salt. MarsipanRumpan is posting this at their own risk and has agreed to accept a ban if these don't pan out by 2/28/2021.

Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 12, 2020, 03:46 PM


Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 12, 2020, 03:48 PM
Era rumor thread
https://www.resetera.com/threads/rumor-sony-to-acquire-bluepoint-games.324523/

a good aquisition imo.

bluepoint clearly has some impressive technical expertise.  very impressive and they deserve to be more than just a remaster studio.

i still fear that since they've literally only worked on remasters for the last however many years that they lack the creative expertise to create a new IP.  New IP is hard for any studio and I'd hate to see them fail by biting off too much.  I think they deserve a shot but maybe first they should wade into the waters not via a new IP but via a new entry in an existing IP.  It's a decent balance between creating new stuff but also building on something successful.

However, i took a look at sony's backlog and and not seeing a great option of something that is beloved enough to reboot while fitting in with something even close to demon's souls.  not that bluepoint needs to be limited to only that type of game but between demon's souls and shadow of the colossus a third person adventure is a proven gameplay area for them.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 12, 2020, 04:52 PM
ICO remake or a ICO/SOTC spiritual successor please!!!


That's really really funky lol.



Also just a side note, it's so great having this day finally arrive!!! I think I'm finally free to talk about PS5 lol.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 12, 2020, 05:00 PM


Lucky guy I guess
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 12, 2020, 05:01 PM
Yeah it's great. Only 2 downgrades from ds4 imo. The create+options button are a little tiny. The rumble has less oomph.

I love everything else about it!
Those are two upgrades. The buttons are much clickier and nicer to press. And "oomph" in a rumble is a bad thing, you want nice precise feedback, not overpowering vibrations that take your precision away.

So I held up the dualshock 4 and the dualsense to my mum and said which one do you think is the newer one and there was no doubt in her mind, she knew straight away. Said the dualsense looks futuristic, like its out of Star Wars.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 12, 2020, 05:02 PM
....snip...

Lucky guy I guess
yeah, but somewhere out there someone probably is unlucky and got a DE instead of a disc version.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 12, 2020, 05:08 PM
i didn't actually intend to buy one but walmart was clear about their order for ps5 going live at 11 ET.   i was 7 minutes late but they were already out of stock.   I'll refresh again at their next "restocking" at 3.  I'll try to be on time next time.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Nov 12, 2020, 05:14 PM
Hoping since your guys shipped the night/day before that I'm hoping mine comes tomorrow
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 12, 2020, 05:22 PM
ICO remake or a ICO/SOTC spiritual successor please!!!


Also just a side note, it's so great having this day finally arrive!!! I think I'm finally free to talk about PS5 lol.
i have no idea what kind of game bluepoint wants to make but I have no faith in that idea.  also not exactly the kind of game that lights the world on fire.  

looks like the founder of the studio game game out of retro working on metroid prime.   that could be an excellent direction to go in.  metroid and dark souls and bloodborne share a lot in the level design perspective.  ...branched open world.   it is, imo, a big part of what makes all 3 games soo popular.

also it looks like the studio built the vita version of playstation all-stars.  i would love another attempt here that sucked less.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 12, 2020, 05:46 PM
Those are two upgrades. The buttons are much clickier and nicer to press. And "oomph" in a rumble is a bad thing, you want nice precise feedback, not overpowering vibrations that take your precision away.

So I held up the dualshock 4 and the dualsense to my mum and said which one do you think is the newer one and there was no doubt in her mind, she knew straight away. Said the dualsense looks futuristic, like its out of Star Wars.
lol that's one opinion. DS4 had the best rumble out there up till today. I wouldn't call it overpowering or non precise, at least when used properly by a dev.

Yeah PS5 and DuelSense look very futuristic. I miss the colored face buttons but love the clear plastic look.
i have no idea what kind of game bluepoint wants to make but I have no faith in that idea.  also not exactly the kind of game that lights the world on fire.  

looks like the founder of the studio game game out of retro working on metroid prime.   that could be an excellent direction to go in.  metroid and dark souls and bloodborne share a lot in the level design perspective.  ...branched open world.   it is, imo, a big part of what makes all 3 games soo popular.

also it looks like the studio built the vita version of playstation all-stars.  i would love another attempt here that sucked less.
Bluepoint did an ICO remaster, a SOTC remaster, and a SOTC remake. I think they at least know the material really well. Risky sales though. They've grown so much since then.


Don't give them PSASBR2! Talk about a game that wouldn't set the world on fire.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Nov 12, 2020, 06:26 PM
Yuppp! Tracking says tomorrow it will arrive!!

And coming by USPS which means it will come by 11am!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 12, 2020, 06:51 PM
lol that's one opinion. DS4 had the best rumble out there up till today. I wouldn't call it overpowering or non precise, at least when used properly by a dev.

Yeah PS5 and DuelSense look very futuristic. I miss the colored face buttons but love the clear plastic look.
Bluepoint did an ICO remaster, a SOTC remaster, and a SOTC remake. I think they at least know the material really well. Risky sales though. They've grown so much since then.


Don't give them PSASBR2! Talk about a game that wouldn't set the world on fire.
Lol well I meant that oomph isn't the be all and end all, stronger vibrations can be a bad thing.

Also nah the dualshock 4 isn't the best, Switch has by far the best rumble I experienced, it's just not often used to its fullest.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 12, 2020, 07:28 PM
so how does one go about adding the playstation collection to their library?   I was able to snag bugsnax here (https://store.playstation.com/en-us/subscriptions) but the games from the playstation collection are still full priced to me.  I know i'm only supposed to be unlocked the ps5 versions or something but i'd like to add them to my account asap in case their is a change to what games are included.  fomo and all..

Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 12, 2020, 07:37 PM
so how does one go about adding the playstation collection to their library?   I was able to snag bugsnax here (https://store.playstation.com/en-us/subscriptions) but the games from the playstation collection are still full priced to me.  I know i'm only supposed to be unlocked the ps5 versions or something but i'd like to add them to my account asap in case their is a change to what games are included.  fomo and all..


Someone said you are only able to redeem them on the PS5 store.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 12, 2020, 07:46 PM
Someone said you are only able to redeem them on the PS5 store.  
yeah, i'm just reading that off of resetera now.  fair enough but i'm going to be mad if they aren't still there by the time i get a ps5.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 12, 2020, 07:48 PM
Lol well I meant that oomph isn't the be all and end all, stronger vibrations can be a bad thing.

Also nah the dualshock 4 isn't the best, Switch has by far the best rumble I experienced, it's just not often used to its fullest.
I have never had good rumble on switch, but I've only played Zelda+Mario+demos.

Duelsense has really nice rumble. It's pretty similar to switch in general but both of them are a paradigm shift compared to the old ways. DS4 let you get pretty specific with the frequency of vibration and you could adjust it freely, but modern haptics allow multiple frequencies to overlap exactly like a speaker.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 12, 2020, 08:07 PM
i didn't actually intend to buy one but walmart was clear about their order for ps5 going live at 11 ET.   i was 7 minutes late but they were already out of stock.   I'll refresh again at their next "restocking" at 3.  I'll try to be on time next time.
so i tried again for the 3:00 allocation.  6 minutes of not being able to load the page.  ..then the page loaded and they were out of stock.   xD
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 12, 2020, 09:01 PM
I have never had good rumble on switch, but I've only played Zelda+Mario+demos.

Duelsense has really nice rumble. It's pretty similar to switch in general but both of them are a paradigm shift compared to the old ways. DS4 let you get pretty specific with the frequency of vibration and you could adjust it freely, but modern haptics allow multiple frequencies to overlap exactly like a speaker.
Have you tried looking at the setting for it? You can change the intensity
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 12, 2020, 09:18 PM
Have you tried looking at the setting for it? You can change the intensity
Yeah I've spent a lot of time with the settings haha. Duelsense rumble is not weak, it's just more advanced tech that has different things it excels at.

A fedex truck came to my house a few minutes ago and I was really excited, but they had a different package lol. I'm really looking forward to Astrobot. First taste of a true next gen game.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 12, 2020, 10:38 PM
It has arrived.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 12, 2020, 10:42 PM
It has arrived.
*inception trailer sound effect*
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 12, 2020, 10:53 PM
Used the dualsense on PC with the ds4windows fix for it, so no working haptics or adaptive triggers yet. However, I still absolutely love it. Just the feel of it in the hand, and the greatly improved buttons and shoulder bumpers are nice and then the triggers are much better, they're bigger and have more travel so they feel much better for, say, controlling your car in FH4. And the analogue sticks are improved from Dualshock 4 with a much better grip.

Sony really nailed the controller, I didn't expect this. They only really talked about the new haptics and triggers but they did amazing work on everything else too. This is the best standard controller now.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 12, 2020, 10:56 PM
My ps5 arrived!!!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 12, 2020, 11:08 PM
My ps5 arrived!!!
My 18 minutes of exclusivity were fun while they lasted.  

Welcome to the party!!!  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 12, 2020, 11:31 PM
I forgot how short the PS5 hdmi cord is. For now I have to wire it infront of my cabinet lol. Can't close it.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 12, 2020, 11:36 PM
I forgot how short the PS5 hdmi cord is. For now I have to wire it infront of my cabinet lol. Can't close it.
How long is it?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 12, 2020, 11:38 PM
How long is it?
4 ft or so. Series x feels like 6 ft.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 12, 2020, 11:42 PM
4 ft or so. Series x feels like 6 ft.
Ah okay, that's fine for me.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 13, 2020, 12:23 AM
Seems like Miles Morales is quite commonly causing big issues on PS5. Avoid it for now.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 13, 2020, 12:51 AM
Actually there's a whole number of things causing issues. PS5 seems absolutely riddled with problems.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 13, 2020, 01:15 AM
So far no issues with mine. Only done a bit of astro and bugsnax.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 13, 2020, 02:34 AM
UI: I find myself wishing the tiles were larger.
There's less clutter, but mostly because it does fewer things. A lot of stuff though feels like it's harder to get to than on PS4.  Might just be that I'm more used to it.

As always I patiently wait for more language options on a console. Steam does it well here.

One oddity about the activity tracker. It includes games that I haven't played. It includes Dark Souls 3 for example and has quite a bit of play time.  The other games are all games my brother has played, but I don't think he's ever played them on my PS4. (At the very least never on my profile).

Controller:
Another huge jump in build quality. Feels solid and it feels great.  Haptics and the triggers are great, but I do feel like I got spoiled on it. It's like constantly present in Astro's playroom, but it's light enough that it never overstays it's welcome.  (I do feel like I'm missing out on something with Astrobot not being in VR....)

Console: feels solid as well.  My complaint is that the stand doesn't quite snap on as tight as it should. (I'm not sure if it came defective, or if I wiggled it and made it less tight, or if that's just how it is). During set up I moved it a couple times and the stand got left behind. Seems way better in vertical. But it's not really going to matter in use. 

I did open up the console for fun.
I didn't spend that much time opening it.  But it slides really easily when you pull it in just the right way.  But it isn't super easy to pull it in just the right way. 
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 13, 2020, 03:47 AM
I can agree with your ui issues. I love the look and sound but really dislike the slowness of things I care about.

Also I think this launch has been even more anticlimatic than series x lol. I have no games to play and was spoiled about everything else as a dev.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 13, 2020, 04:34 AM
More on the UI bit:

Media menu is a good improvement. No longer forcing you to look at apps you don't have yet. And even better not having the first app be something you don't want. (for now at least...)

It weirdly feels like PS5 has two home menus.  The card menu (control/command center- forgot which) and the home menu. It can feel a bit disjointed.  It's like the main PS4 home page + that menu that you see when you go up, except it's more separated.

(To go to the card menu, hold down the button just a little longer.)

On the main console it's serviceable.  I still am not sure about it, but it's okay.  

I remote played from the PS4, and that was actually awesome.  I've never had a really good remote play experience until now. Usually bad internet.

The issue with the home menu is now you have to select out of 5 options in a list on PS4 remote play.

I think 80% of it just as good, maybe better but something to get used to.  
20% of it is a little worse.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 13, 2020, 06:55 AM


Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 13, 2020, 09:23 AM
Actually there's a whole number of things causing issues. PS5 seems absolutely riddled with problems.
Don't vape into it!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 13, 2020, 03:18 PM
Some were worried about Atmos and DTS: X

The FAQ was updated:
Quote
Dolby ATMOS and DTS:X available for Blu-ray and Ultra HD Blu-ray disc video (when connected to a supported device)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 13, 2020, 07:02 PM
Should I buy a game? I'm not feeling Astrobot and I'm not liking Bugsnax. I guess I should just stick with my backlog though. Don't really have time right now to be playing anyway.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 13, 2020, 07:16 PM
Should I buy a game? I'm not feeling Astrobot and I'm not liking Bugsnax. I guess I should just stick with my backlog though. Don't really have time right now to be playing anyway.
DS

Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 13, 2020, 07:26 PM
Should I buy a game? I'm not feeling Astrobot and I'm not liking Bugsnax. I guess I should just stick with my backlog though. Don't really have time right now to be playing anyway.
Not feeling Astro? Boo this man!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 13, 2020, 07:37 PM
Not feeling Astro? Boo this man!
Music was catchy tho.

S S D!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 13, 2020, 07:46 PM
DS
Demon's Souls and Valhalla are the only games out that I'm tempted to buy. More coming over the next few weeks at least.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 13, 2020, 07:49 PM
Demon's Souls and Valhalla are the only games out that I'm tempted to buy. More coming over the next few weeks at least.
Spidey?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 13, 2020, 07:50 PM
Spidey?
I'd play Spidey but I wouldn't pay for Spidey.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 13, 2020, 07:55 PM
I partially installed some disk games a while ago on the PS4 external drive. Installed to the point where the PS4 was happy and said the games could be played.

I moved the drive over to the PS5, and it starts complaining that there were a few downloads/installs that were incomplete.  

I'd play Spidey but I wouldn't pay for Spidey.
Against Astro and Spidey?  

Boo this man!  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 13, 2020, 08:02 PM
Actually to be honest, I am not spidey's biggest fan. Wasn't what I grew up on.  I was more on the DC side of things. :P

But Spiderman PS4 is pretty good. Well worth playing. And paying for!  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 13, 2020, 08:04 PM
Actually to be honest, I am not spidey's biggest fan. Wasn't what I grew up on.  I was more on the DC side of things. :P

But Spiderman PS4 is pretty good. Well worth playing. And paying for!  
I just don't really care for superheroes and and that type of game right now. I'm big on freedom atm.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 13, 2020, 08:10 PM
I just don't really care for superheroes and and that type of game right now. I'm big on freedom atm.
What has more freedom than being a superhero?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 13, 2020, 08:32 PM
Actually to be honest, I am not spidey's biggest fan. Wasn't what I grew up on.  I was more on the DC side of things. :P

But Spiderman PS4 is pretty good. Well worth playing. And paying for!  
Same, only got into superheroes with the MCU and I'm still not that big into them. The Spidey game was just fantastic, and Miles is an amazing follow up.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 13, 2020, 08:35 PM
What has more freedom than being a superhero?
Superhero has zero freedom. Right now I like games where devs let players go off on their own path. Like right now in Outer Wilds. There is no quest system and no content gating. If I want to be clever and try doing something my own way, the game encourages that. It's the opposite of Kitler's LEGO game example.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 13, 2020, 09:09 PM
Superhero has zero freedom. Right now I like games where devs let players go off on their own path. Like right now in Outer Wilds. There is no quest system and no content gating. If I want to be clever and try doing something my own way, the game encourages that. It's the opposite of Kitler's LEGO game example.
<3
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: DerNebel on Nov 13, 2020, 09:35 PM
Should I buy a game? I'm not feeling Astrobot and I'm not liking Bugsnax. I guess I should just stick with my backlog though. Don't really have time right now to be playing anyway.
Astrobot has a perfect user score on Metacritic, so you are clearly wrong.  8)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 13, 2020, 09:45 PM
Astrobot has a perfect user score on Metacritic, so you are clearly wrong.  8)
> Astro's playroom Metacritic:
1 review: Der Nebel 10/10
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: DerNebel on Nov 13, 2020, 09:52 PM
> Astro's playroom Metacritic:
1 review: Der Nebel 10/10
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/0f04377fd5dab138e5c4b68456126da7/tenor.gif)

Well anyways, we could close user reviews now I would suggest.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Nov 14, 2020, 02:09 PM
Welp mines probably lost. fudgy ridiculous
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 14, 2020, 02:26 PM
Welp mines probably lost. fudgy ridiculous
Lost?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Nov 14, 2020, 02:27 PM
Lost?
Says it was transferred to another carrier for delivery, that was yesterday at 6am.  And it's still not out for delivery

Usually when it says that it's out for delivery within an hour

It says my town underneath the update too. So it has to be somewhere here
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 14, 2020, 02:28 PM
Says it was transferred to another carrier for delivery, that was yesterday at 6am.  And it's still not out for delivery

Usually when it says that it's out for delivery within an hour
Weird. Can't you contact them?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Nov 14, 2020, 02:29 PM
Weird. Can't you contact them?
Yeah I'm gonna head down to the post office if it doesn't show up in this delivery.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Nov 14, 2020, 03:57 PM
So post office says they don't have it but then amazon customer service says it was in transit in my town. So who the hell do I believe. Lol
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 14, 2020, 04:13 PM
So post office says they don't have it but then amazon customer service says it was in transit in my town. So who the hell do I believe. Lol
stolen maybe?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 14, 2020, 04:16 PM
So post office says they don't have it but then amazon customer service says it was in transit in my town. So who the hell do I believe. Lol
You're sure it's USPS, not UPS?  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Nov 14, 2020, 04:17 PM
You're sure it's USPS, not UPS?  
Yep it's USPS

stolen maybe?
Sure hope not

I was surprised it wasn't UPS. Maybe it is but the tracking is mixed up
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 14, 2020, 05:49 PM
Yep it's USPS
Sure hope not

I was surprised it wasn't UPS. Maybe it is but the tracking is mixed up
i hopr it isn't stolen either but with a known relase date and size it seems to me someone might target it.  ..or not even targeted, mail theft is quite common these days. 
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 16, 2020, 10:08 AM
I'm reading a lot on Era and other places that PS5 seems desperate to get you to play the PS4 version of every game you have. Like if you have a PS4 disc you can do the free upgrade and download the ps5 game, but your ps5 keeps constantly trying to install the PS4 version as well. And when you select cross gen games in your library it defaults to the PS4 version and downloads that first.

It seems so weird, I think the ps5 firmware and OS came in extremely hot.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Nov 16, 2020, 02:35 PM
not looking good for my ps5.  Still doesn't say out for delivery today.  Shall see.  I'm hoping amazon has some in their warehouses at least so they can ship me another.

i'm kinda looking at it as a good thing with there being some issues with the ps5.  Maybe by the time i get one some issues can be ironed out.

even though i really fudgy want it. lol
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 16, 2020, 02:39 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Nov 16, 2020, 02:42 PM
there is a queue on sonys direct store.  Wonder if they have more stock. Says i've got more than an hour wait.  Maybe i can snag one just in case if they are and i get in

yep the in stock tracker i'm looking at says its in stock on their site.  Crossing my fingers i get in and get one

ohhh wait time went to 22 minutes.  Come on!!!

12 minutes!!!!!

Holy FUUUUCK I GOT ONE!!!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 16, 2020, 03:38 PM
there is a queue on sonys direct store.  Wonder if they have more stock. Says i've got more than an hour wait.  Maybe i can snag one just in case if they are and i get in

yep the in stock tracker i'm looking at says its in stock on their site.  Crossing my fingers i get in and get one

ohhh wait time went to 22 minutes.  Come on!!!

12 minutes!!!!!

Holy FUUUUCK I GOT ONE!!!
Awesome! Would be funny if your Amazon console turned up today now  ;D
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Nov 16, 2020, 03:39 PM
Awesome! Would be funny if your Amazon console turned up today now  ;D
i know right.  It doesn't say out for delivery, but who knows. At least i'm good either way hopefully.

and it's already preparing to ship!!!! Hell yeah!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 16, 2020, 05:05 PM
Good luck on your ps5!

What will you do with the second?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Nov 16, 2020, 05:13 PM
Good luck on your ps5!

What will you do with the second?
well if i get it i have a friend that wants to buy it
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 16, 2020, 05:13 PM
What will you do with the second?
I'm sure he will continue the tradition of selling it to his best internet friend.  
Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>Probably Pezus who didn&#39;t get one. <br>
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Nov 16, 2020, 08:10 PM
oh my god its happening!!.  Shipped and will be here tomorrow!!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 16, 2020, 08:12 PM
oh my god its happening!!.  Shipped and will be here tomorrow!!
Wooh! Hopefully I'll have mine in 3 days, the wait will be painful.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Nov 16, 2020, 08:16 PM
Wooh! Hopefully I'll have mine in 3 days, the wait will be painful.
my wait has sucked considering the amazon one was suppose to be here friday.  Still didn't show up today.  Likely lost or stolen at this point.

Its coming fedex this time and requires signature
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 16, 2020, 08:55 PM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-i-got-my-ps5-today-it-won%E2%80%99t-read-any-discs-my-disc-reader-came-broken-or-don%E2%80%99t-be-like-me-know-how-to-set-your-ps5-horizontal.327464/#post-51711665
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 17, 2020, 09:33 AM
Stability!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: DerNebel on Nov 17, 2020, 12:16 PM
dang, Amazon.de has already lowered the price for PS5 launch games. I kinda expected that to happen but I couldn't help myself and still bought Demon's Souls and Spider-Man earlier in store (for 75€ and 60€ respectively). DS is 73€ now and Spider-Man is 53€.

Also my PS5 still hasn't been dispatched. :'(
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Nov 17, 2020, 05:23 PM
It's here!!!!

Have you guys been using rest mode?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 17, 2020, 06:12 PM
I've used rest mode without issue.

Haven't had any system glitches. Had one in astro's though. I fast traveled while I was dying and never fully respawned.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Nov 18, 2020, 12:15 AM
Man miles morales is gooood

Valhalla has some pretty good upgrades too.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 18, 2020, 01:35 AM
I want both.

Which are you enjoying more atm?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Nov 18, 2020, 02:00 AM
I want both.

Which are you enjoying more atm?
Probably Valhalla so far just cause I love assassins creed. But I'll probably get into Miles more right now since it's shorter and looks amazing.

Valhalla is smooth though. Compared to ps4 it's so much better to play.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 18, 2020, 02:20 AM
There seem to be some oddities with the playtime counter.

Not sure if it's due to bugs, or if it's due to the way the data has been collected.

I'm assuming the data is collected from PSN online data. So it's all going to be an undercount if you aren't signed in. With the caveat that unlike trophy data, the activity counter doesn't get updated, when you sign back in.

Even odder though is that it includes some games that aren't otherwise associated with my account. No trophy information or anything. These are games that were played on my brothers account. So now I'm wondering if it is also taken from other consoles that are somehow attached to my account. It's very bizarre.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 18, 2020, 02:50 AM
My VR camera adapter arrived, but it was addressed to the wrong name. I hope it was just a simple mistake and not something weird involving my account or how I purchased my headset.

Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 18, 2020, 02:54 AM
My VR camera adapter arrived, but it was addressed to the wrong name. I hope it was just a simple mistake and not something weird involving my account or how I purchased my headset.


Interesting.

Oddly I haven't gotten one yet.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Nov 18, 2020, 05:39 AM
And wow demons souls is absolutely gorgeous
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Nov 18, 2020, 06:00 AM
And wow demons souls is absolutely gorgeous
Look at you, showing off with all the games you bought lol.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Nov 18, 2020, 02:43 PM
Look at you, showing off with all the games you bought lol.
lol.  Yeah since i didn't get the Series X i just bought more games.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 18, 2020, 03:08 PM
And wow demons souls is absolutely gorgeous
Finished Astro already?  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: DerNebel on Nov 18, 2020, 04:48 PM
OMG, it finally got dispatched!!!! :D

Arriving until tomorrow 11 PM, oh man.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 18, 2020, 04:57 PM
OMG, it finally got dispatched!!!! :D

Arriving until tomorrow 11 PM, oh man.
Its finally our time my European bro
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 18, 2020, 05:02 PM
Some stores here still can't say if they'll have systems ready tomorrow for people that preordered in September
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 18, 2020, 05:07 PM
Some stores here still can't say if they'll have systems ready tomorrow for people that preordered in September
People who live in the major markets are definitely very lucky. I hope you can get yours soon enough.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: DerNebel on Nov 18, 2020, 05:12 PM
Its finally our time my European bro
I'm not gonna believe it until I'm actually holding it in my hands tomorrow. :D
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Post by: Xevross on Nov 18, 2020, 05:13 PM
I'm not gonna believe it until I'm actually holding it in my hands tomorrow. :D
And I still won't believe it until it plays games well and isn't a brick :-[
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: DerNebel on Nov 18, 2020, 05:25 PM
And I still won't believe it until it plays games well and isn't a brick :-[
Oh yeah, what are we still allowed to do at this point? The internet told me half the things you would do with the PS5 will lead to bricking it. :D
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Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 18, 2020, 05:26 PM
People who live in the major markets are definitely very lucky. I hope you can get yours soon enough.
Didn't order lol. I'll wait until it's more available. I'm in no rush

Oh yeah, what are we still allowed to do at this point? The internet told me half the things you would do with the PS5 will lead to bricking it. :D
You apparently can't play discs that you put in facing down
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Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 19, 2020, 12:06 AM


Hinting at more to come?
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Post by: nnodley on Nov 19, 2020, 12:34 AM


Hinting at more to come?
They composing for Cyberpunk?  thats the only thing i can think of that's big coming.

the enhanced lighting and shadows in valhalla on ps5 are so much better.  No more blurred shadows just standing 20 ft away.  I'm assuming its ray tracing shadows or at least looks like it.
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Post by: DerNebel on Nov 19, 2020, 01:10 PM
It's here!!
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Post by: Xevross on Nov 19, 2020, 06:09 PM
My god, the size of this lad.
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Post by: nnodley on Nov 19, 2020, 08:03 PM
My god, the size of this lad.
Right.  I was prepared for it to be big, but its just different in person. its a thing of beauty though.
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Post by: Xevross on Nov 19, 2020, 08:19 PM
Right.  I was prepared for it to be big, but its just different in person. its a thing of beauty though.
Yeah, I love it it looks amazing.

Speaking of amazing, Astro's Playroom is absolutely delightful.
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Post by: nnodley on Nov 19, 2020, 08:29 PM
Speaking of,  what orientation does everyone have theirs in?

I had mine vertical for a bit, but turned it horizontal.  I like horizontal better
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 19, 2020, 08:35 PM
Horizontal.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 19, 2020, 08:55 PM
Speaking of,  what orientation does everyone have theirs in?

I had mine vertical for a bit, but turned it horizontal.  I like horizontal better
i'll be doing horizontal.   i've got exactly 11.5 inches (yes i just measured) so since ps5 is 15.4 inches tall that means 4 inches would be in front of my tv in a vertical orientation.  

unexceptable.
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Post by: DerNebel on Nov 19, 2020, 09:19 PM
I have mine vertical, fits nicely next to my TV.

And yes Astro Bot is extremely charming, even though it's a tiny bit too gimmicky for me at times (the ball rolling with the touch pad). A proper fullsized Astro Bot game has to be in the making, it'd be very silly not to. And those load times, dang, such a pleasure to be able to jump back to a level after missing a collectable and it ony taking like 2 seconds.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 19, 2020, 09:26 PM
My god, the size of this lad.
Stronk
Absolute unit
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Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 19, 2020, 09:41 PM


Nothing cool like that in Iceland  :o
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Post by: Xevross on Nov 20, 2020, 12:01 AM
Got the plat for Astro. Loved it from start to finish, wish it was longer. 2 plats and a new PS5, pretty awesome day for me.

Demon's Souls looks unbelievable in cinematic mode, performance mode feels so much smoother to play and still looks really great though.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 20, 2020, 12:02 AM
Got the plat for Astro. Loved it from start to finish, wish it was longer. 2 plats and a new PS5, pretty awesome day for me.

Demon's Souls looks unbelievable in cinematic mode, performance mode feels so much smoother to play and still looks really great though.
2 plats?
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Post by: Xevross on Nov 20, 2020, 12:05 AM
2 plats?
I finished up the Miles Morales plat on PS4 when I was waiting for the delivery.

Speaking of,  what orientation does everyone have theirs in?

I had mine vertical for a bit, but turned it horizontal.  I like horizontal better
I have mine vertical next to the TV, it looks great.

The Dualsense absolutely blew me away, the triggers are phenomenal and I can't wait to use them in more games that design them well. The haptics are extremely good too, but not so mind bending.

I love the UI, its so smooth and looks great. Have yet to properly dive into activity cards and other things but I like the way its presented. I love the added options of sorting trophies for a game. The console is basically silent as we'd hoped. I've experienced 0 issues so far (touch wood). So yeah, really happy with PS5. Sony knocked it out of the park.
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Post by: DerNebel on Nov 20, 2020, 12:26 AM
Stupid question: Is the front USB port supposed to not stay powered during rest mode? Even with the 3 hour setting? I changed it to one of the backports and that's working, the controller is blinking.

I just wasted 3 hours not loading my controller....  ;D

Edit: Also one legitimate annoyance so far. I downloaded the free PS5 version of Miles Morales, since I bought the physical PS4 disc. I don't want the PS4 version installed, since I don't need it. However every time I start up the PS5, from rest mode or cold boot, the system tries to copy PS4 version of Miles Morales onto my PS5 again, making quite a bit of noise.
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Post by: Legend on Nov 20, 2020, 01:43 AM
Stupid question: Is the front USB port supposed to not stay powered during rest mode? Even with the 3 hour setting? I changed it to one of the backports and that's working, the controller is blinking.

I just wasted 3 hours not loading my controller....  ;D

Edit: Also one legitimate annoyance so far. I downloaded the free PS5 version of Miles Morales, since I bought the physical PS4 disc. I don't want the PS4 version installed, since I don't need it. However every time I start up the PS5, from rest mode or cold boot, the system tries to copy PS4 version of Miles Morales onto my PS5 again, making quite a bit of noise.
Front usb works for me. Don't know how to stop the ps4 version.


I have mine vertical. Will switch it horizontal at some point but having an eye of sauron night light is too fun.
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Post by: kitler53 on Nov 20, 2020, 01:39 PM
Stupid question: Is the front USB port supposed to not stay powered during rest mode? Even with the 3 hour setting? I changed it to one of the backports and that's working, the controller is blinking.

I just wasted 3 hours not loading my controller....  ;D

Edit: Also one legitimate annoyance so far. I downloaded the free PS5 version of Miles Morales, since I bought the physical PS4 disc. I don't want the PS4 version installed, since I don't need it. However every time I start up the PS5, from rest mode or cold boot, the system tries to copy PS4 version of Miles Morales onto my PS5 again, making quite a bit of noise.
did you change your OS configration.   I watched the DF video on the OS and I saw some settings around power savings (or whatever) that clearly indicated that the USBs could be disabled during rest mode.  not sure at all what the defaults are but you should go check.
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Post by: Xevross on Nov 20, 2020, 04:04 PM
Save transfer for Miles was super easy and fast, pretty good system.

And yeah it does give you all the ps5 version trophies that your save qualifies for, so I just got another plat for free  ;D

A lot of people have been talking about the ps5 downloading PS4 versions of cross gen games and yeah that's super annoying, it should be much clearer which version you're downloading and there should be a clear selection. It's really dumb the way it does it right now.
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Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 20, 2020, 04:16 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Nov 20, 2020, 04:19 PM
Save transfer for Miles was super easy and fast, pretty good system.

And yeah it does give you all the ps5 version trophies that your save qualifies for, so I just got another plat for free  ;D

A lot of people have been talking about the ps5 downloading PS4 versions of cross gen games and yeah that's super annoying, it should be much clearer which version you're downloading and there should be a clear selection. It's really dumb the way it does it right now.
i wish Ubisoft would have done that for valhalla.  Now i have 13 trophies from when i played it on ps4 that i would have to replay the game to get on ps5
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Post by: DerNebel on Nov 20, 2020, 04:45 PM
did you change your OS configration.   I watched the DF video on the OS and I saw some settings around power savings (or whatever) that clearly indicated that the USBs could be disabled during rest mode.  not sure at all what the defaults are but you should go check.
The USB slots should be active and the one on the back I used to charge my Dualsense after the first failed attempt did work in Rest Mode. It was just the one in the front that turned off during Rest Mode. Since it works when the PS5 is on I'm guessing it's nothing technical with the machine, which is good. Maybe some bug, dunno

Anyways, also go the Astro Bot plat and bit the bullet and just let the system install Miles Morales PS4 as well for now. Won't matter in the long run.
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Post by: Xevross on Nov 20, 2020, 04:49 PM
The raytracing in fidelity mode looks real nice on Spidey. Miles PS5 looks amazing in general and it's a clear upgrade from PS4, especially with stuff like number of pedestrians. It's not too different though, it still looks great on PS4. I can understand this new gen not blowing people away if they're just playing cross gen games so far.

60fps though, wowee, that's the real upgrade. It feels and looks absolutely incredible in motion. Think I'm gonna be sticking with performance modes this gen for most games.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 20, 2020, 11:14 PM
PS5 is off to a spectacular start for me.

Astro was delightful, as I said yesterday. Today I got going with Demon's Souls and Dirt 5. Both of them look fantastic and play really well in 60fps.

Demon's Souls is brilliant so far, I only played ~3 hours but I think I'm loving it even more than Bloodborne. The start seems much easier than Bloodborne and you get going a lot faster, it still feels very Souls and tough but its great to get moving and do a lot in the first few hours rather than struggling to even reach the first boss. I think Bloodborne is better in many ways, but I'm enjoying playing Demon's more. I like that there's lots of NPCs to talk to, Bloodborne felt quite lonely in that way.

Dirt 5 is really great too, its a lot of fun and the career mode seems like its got a lot of content with decent variety. The playground creation mode is great too, lots of fun user created stuff to play there already. The driving physics are really nice for an arcade racer and the dualsense implemention is punchy and adds to the fun even though its not very helpful. I think this is the best arcade racer I've played in years.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 20, 2020, 11:58 PM
Any fps impressions with the dualsense? People seem impressed with cod
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 21, 2020, 12:10 AM
Any fps impressions with the dualsense? People seem impressed with cod
I'm on the fence about getting COD for PS5, I think if there's a decent BF deal for it I will.

Not an FPS but Borderlands 3 supposedly has great dualsense implementation for a shooter, I might download it and give it a go.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 21, 2020, 12:13 AM
Sony updated the PS5 FAQ to confirm VRR.
;D

PS5: The Ultimate FAQ - PlayStation.Blog (https://blog.playstation.com/2020/11/09/ps5-the-ultimate-faq/)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 21, 2020, 12:54 AM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 22, 2020, 03:50 PM
I got the glitch that some people got with the new Demon's Souls update where it just doesn't want to install no matter what you do, only solution is to download the entire game again. Then at the same time my PS5 seemingly somehow forgot Dirt 5 was installed and tried to copy it from disc again, I cancelled the copy and then Dirt 5 was deleted from my SSD.

So since I now have to re-install the two games I was playing I decided to factory reset my PS5 anyway to hopefully clear any issues that might have been causing these problems. And now PS5 is doing the exact same thing my PS4 does - downloading extremely slowly while turned on but at full speed in rest mode. So I guess I'm just leaving my PS5 in rest mode today while it downloads stuff again. Fun.

Edit: now I think about it, as soon as I took dirt 5 out and put borderlands 3 in dirt 5 disappeared off my ps5 home, I just assumed it only showed the disc you have in and can currently play but now I realise it just immediately deleted Dirt 5 off my system for some reason, no idea what caused it. I just did the same thing again to test but with GoT instead of Borderlands and Dirt 5 stuck around this time.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 23, 2020, 05:04 PM
Some PS5's apparently have an issue with cooling.  There have been a few teardowns, some are showing thermal padding on the RAM, and some aren't.

Not sure why.  Maybe some issue at a factory, that not all were applied or maybe some corners are being cut at some. Or maybe it was added in, later batches.

I'm not sure how big of an impact the thermal pads have. The most thorough analysis I've seen was without thermal pads, and the RAM was tending towards the upper limit of operable temperatures. The impression I get is, it's not the end of the world without it but it's not good either.

On the bright side, that pretty much seems to be the only thing that is an issue with the hardware.

There seem to be quite a few issues on the OS side though.

Some missing features with 8K, VRR, 1440p, RGB 4K 120.  External storage is limited.  Either there is a technical challenge with PS5 on the external drive or they just didn't intend for cold storage to be an option.  Suggested by the fact that they did set up to check if a game could be moved or deleted.  On the bright side here, many of these features seem likely or have already been promised to come.

There also seem to be a score of smaller issues.  Like downloads acting up, the patches not working the way intended.  A game being mysteriously deleted off the drive.

On the brightside, all of these issues seem to be patchable. I'm assuming we will see a fair number of stability patches over the next few months. And then we will see HDMI 2.1 support added in, probably early next year. Maybe that's optimistic, maybe not.  

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Post by: kitler53 on Nov 23, 2020, 05:22 PM
but what does "some" mean.  there will always be lemons.   near as i can tell neither system has anything that has called a wide spread problem.   the problem with the internet is that if MSony sells 10 million units this holiday you'll see all 50 failed units on the internet and it will start to look like a huge problem when in reality the failure rate is 0.0005 % which is a fantastic level of reliability.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 23, 2020, 06:21 PM
No sales numbers?
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 23, 2020, 06:44 PM
but what does "some" mean.  there will always be lemons.   near as i can tell neither system has anything that has called a wide spread problem.   the problem with the internet is that if MSony sells 10 million units this holiday you'll see all 50 failed units on the internet and it will start to look like a huge problem when in reality the failure rate is 0.0005 % which is a fantastic level of reliability.  
Aye, exactly. That's pretty much I was implying.
On the whole doesn't seem to be any major issue.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 23, 2020, 06:49 PM
I'm just glad I didn't pre-order with all those burning ps5s
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Post by: Xevross on Nov 23, 2020, 09:53 PM
I think PS5 is actually seeing a very, very low hardware failure rate. There's just lots of problems with the firmware right now. The two problems I reported yesterday (Demon's patch not installing and disc game disappearing) are common problems that Sony seem to be fixing.

PS5 will be super clean in a few months, and it will already have plenty of killer games by then too. Its gonna be a hot hot product next year.

No sales numbers?
And yeah no sales numbers is super odd. No idea what Sony are waiting for. If PS5 was tracking lower than PS4 so far then I can kinda see it, but we have every reason to think the opposite is true.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 23, 2020, 10:34 PM
I think PS5 is actually seeing a very, very low hardware failure rate. There's just lots of problems with the firmware right now. The two problems I reported yesterday (Demon's patch not installing and disc game disappearing) are common problems that Sony seem to be fixing.

PS5 will be super clean in a few months, and it will already have plenty of killer games by then too. Its gonna be a hot hot product next year.
And yeah no sales numbers is super odd. No idea what Sony are waiting for. If PS5 was tracking lower than PS4 so far then I can kinda see it, but we have every reason to think the opposite is true.
Yeah Jim Ryan even said all of them were sold out. Maybe they don't want to show lower than expected production numbers?
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Post by: DerNebel on Nov 23, 2020, 10:46 PM
Yeah Jim Ryan even said all of them were sold out. Maybe they don't want to show lower than expected production numbers?
Maybe they're reading the room and feel it'd be awkward to brag about their sales numbers, when so much of the internet is still enraged because they can't get one.... but more likely they are just being new Playstation, who is super inconsistent with this stuff.

Maybe they'll give an update around when they'll give us a clearer picture on the next few months of game releases on PS5. Which I'm guessing will happen in early to mid December?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 24, 2020, 12:08 AM
they will brag when they are good and ready to brag.  

I feel like last gen they gave too many updated.  led to much "concern" when sony failed to announce each and every million units sold. 
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Post by: nnodley on Nov 24, 2020, 01:05 AM
So my dualsense controllers wouldn't turn on my ps5 today from rest mode.  Had to hold the button on the console till it turned off then they started working.  Freaked me the fudge out. lol
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Post by: Legend on Nov 24, 2020, 01:06 AM
So my dualsense controllers wouldn't turn on my ps5 today from rest mode.  Had to hold the button on the console till it turned off then they started working.  Freaked me the fudge out. lol
I had that on ps4 a few times. Very scary!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 25, 2020, 01:25 AM
Some PS5s have a manufactured date on the bottom for the vertical position.

Mine was made in October.
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 25, 2020, 07:10 AM
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Post by: Xevross on Nov 25, 2020, 01:21 PM
New stability update fixes the disappearing disc games issue.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 25, 2020, 03:23 PM

phil is such a bag.   

most industry have fans and every industry wants them.  he's just sour grapes that nintendo and sony have more fans.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 25, 2020, 05:44 PM
phil is such a bag.  

most industry have fans and every industry wants them.  he's just sour grapes that nintendo and sony have more fans.
Yes he only says this because it benefits him and their Xbox pass
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Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 30, 2020, 06:15 PM
Quote
The presentation opens by saying "everyone knows single player is dying," with a list of the top-selling PlayStation 4 video games that seems to crib this sales list, showing games like Grand Theft Auto V and Black Ops 3 dominating sales because of their multiplayer modes.

In the next slide, however, Sony explained that, in reality, its internal tracking data shows that "single player is thriving," and PlayStation users are regularly spending more time playing offline than online.
Quote
"In a busy world, that time [to play]" might not come for a while," reads another slide next to a photo of someone hiking through the mountains, holding a map. "When they finally do find a spare hour, they've forgotten where they were, and what they were doing. Then what?"

All of this, according to Sony, creates "friction," while their proposed system, dubbed the Universal Data System, can help solve.

"We can change 'should I start playing' to 'which part should I start playing?'" reads a slide next to a screen shot from Uncharted. "The options are there. The choices are clear. The game is calling. Pick up that controller. It's time to play.
Sony internal documents explain Activities (https://www.vice.com/en/article/5dp34k/internal-sony-docs-explain-how-activities-became-a-cornerstone-for-ps5)
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Post by: Legend on Nov 30, 2020, 07:06 PM
Sony internal documents explain Activities (https://www.vice.com/en/article/5dp34k/internal-sony-docs-explain-how-activities-became-a-cornerstone-for-ps5)
Leakers gotta leak.

Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 30, 2020, 07:46 PM
Sony internal documents explain Activities (https://www.vice.com/en/article/5dp34k/internal-sony-docs-explain-how-activities-became-a-cornerstone-for-ps5)
i don't have a ps5 so i can't say whether or not "activities" resolves these issues in any way but I can really relate to these points:


This point is also why i will watch 3 hours of a tv show in one sitting but frequently tell my wife i don't want to watch a movie because it will take too long.  It really sucks to start (but not finish) a movie and 2.5 hours is a pretty big commitment.   2.5 hours of a 23 minute sitcom is a series of small commitments and easier to say yes too.   so by a similar argument i can find myself playing hours upon hours of rocket league (~10 minutes per match) but feel very reluctant to play the next chapter of uncharted or TLoU. 

i will add this though.  last gen's "quick resume" feature made these games waaaay more playable then during the ps360 gen.  being to put down the game literally anywhere and pick it up tomorrow in the exact same spot really helps. 



This point is especially bad for games that have a large amount of freedom and part of why i prefer a more linear game.   freedom can be fun but if you forgot what you were doing it can also feel aimless and frustrating.   i also find games with "non-standard" control schemes problematic.  when a game spends a lot of the early part of a game on a "tutorial" it can be pretty hard to jump into the middle of a game after a long break.  all those things it spent time teaching you (like so-and-so symbol requires so-and-so equipment to interact) is easy to forget and can make a game unplayable if you forget.
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Post by: Xevross on Dec 01, 2020, 01:12 PM
Game help is really amazing in Bugsnax, I've been completely sold on the idea here and already making great use of it. Hopefully all devs put this much effort into it, if so it'll be an brilliant innovation for this gen.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Dec 04, 2020, 11:02 PM
(I doubt the effect is ever large).  

But theoretically, if rasterization or some other process is faster on otherwise weaker hardware, the weaker hardware can spend more time on other parts of the rendering process.  

This affect is massively dependent on how much time it spends on each phase, as well as how much pipelining is actually being done.  

I have had a class that has dealt with this in the general CPU context, but I don't know if I've ever really thought about it in a graphics context.

Potentially another reason why the TF measurement is useless on its own.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Dec 06, 2020, 12:23 AM
In 3 days we will be about 1% done with this gen.
Rough math: 7*12=84 months per gen.  And we are almost to a month.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Dec 06, 2020, 12:25 AM
In 3 days we will be about 1% done with this gen.
Rough math: 7*12=84 months per gen.  And we are almost to a month.
Can't wait for ps6
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Post by: Dr. Pezus on Dec 07, 2020, 08:38 PM


Some interesting stuff there. Project athia appears to be timed exclusive for at least 2 years
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Dec 09, 2020, 02:41 PM
Insomniac put out a 1080p RT 60 fps mode for Miles.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Dec 09, 2020, 04:23 PM
Insomniac put out a 1080p RT 60 fps mode for Miles.
Ooh
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Dec 09, 2020, 04:32 PM
i'm going to be honest guys,.. ps5 era is bringing far too many "options".   i'm not liking this whole research and pick the appropriate performance settings for my priority.  part of the joy of consoles is the whole "optimized to the hardware" thing.   at most we should have two options:  fidelity and performance.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Dec 09, 2020, 04:37 PM
i'm going to be honest guys,.. ps5 era is bringing far too many "options".   i'm not liking this whole research and pick the appropriate performance settings for my priority.  part of the joy of consoles is the whole "optimized to the hardware" thing.   at most we should have two options:  fidelity and performance.

Nah I much prefer this. Choice is good. Not everyone has 4k TVs for example, or 120hz TVs, but some do and want to use them!
Makes games more scalable for future pro consoles too.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Dec 09, 2020, 05:08 PM
i'm going to be honest guys,.. ps5 era is bringing far too many "options".   i'm not liking this whole research and pick the appropriate performance settings for my priority.  part of the joy of consoles is the whole "optimized to the hardware" thing.   at most we should have two options:  fidelity and performance.

I don't think you really have to do any research.  It's not like PC where have a dozen settings and have to hope it plays fast enough for your liking.

If it's well optimized llike Spiderman is, there isn't a bad choice.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Dec 09, 2020, 07:12 PM
i'm going to be honest guys,.. ps5 era is bringing far too many "options".   i'm not liking this whole research and pick the appropriate performance settings for my priority.  part of the joy of consoles is the whole "optimized to the hardware" thing.   at most we should have two options:  fidelity and performance.

I agree, although maybe I'm just being selfish because I prefer 30fps+pretty graphics and that has always been the default.

Nah I much prefer this. Choice is good. Not everyone has 4k TVs for example, or 120hz TVs, but some do and want to use them!
Makes games more scalable for future pro consoles too.
It doesn't make them more scalable. A patch will still be needed to change how they run.

Dynamic resolution and framerates are the only things that automatically scale with better hardware, but they only become more consistent.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Dec 09, 2020, 09:22 PM
best thing i've seen all day

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gangs-are-stealing-ps5s-from-fast-moving-lorries-using-the-rollover-stunt.341311/page-2

(https://i.imgur.com/OX3AN2J.jpg)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Dec 09, 2020, 11:30 PM
I agree, although maybe I'm just being selfish because I prefer 30fps+pretty graphics and that has always been the default.
It doesn't make them more scalable. A patch will still be needed to change how they run.

Dynamic resolution and framerates are the only things that automatically scale with better hardware, but they only become more consistent.
Well yes I guess I meant it gives more benefits when pro consoles come out.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Dec 13, 2020, 01:35 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpHQxVTXUAMG7pY?format=jpg&name=small)

Hermen Hulst plays his PS5 upside down.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Dec 13, 2020, 02:45 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpHQxVTXUAMG7pY?format=jpg&name=small)

Hermen Hulst plays his PS5 upside down.
Lul. Where's the stand?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Dec 13, 2020, 10:00 PM
I have put 5 hours into this system. I feel a bit guilty owning it.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Dec 13, 2020, 10:15 PM
I have put 5 hours into this system. I feel a bit guilty owning it.
Give it to me ffs. Haven't bothered playing ps4 games I've bought because I want them 60fps stable
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Dec 13, 2020, 10:28 PM
I have put 5 hours into this system. I feel a bit guilty owning it.
Lol you should be guilty, there's lots of people who'd kill for the system and would use it way more. But at the same time its just one console and everyone who wants one will get one eventually, and its not like the games are going to disappear.

I was just adding up my total PS5 play hours yesterday actually, I'm up to 90 hours now. Average of about 4 hours a day since I got it.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Dec 13, 2020, 10:32 PM
I'm pretty sure I've played like 40 or so hours.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Dec 13, 2020, 10:51 PM
Give it to me ffs. Haven't bothered playing ps4 games I've bought because I want them 60fps stable
Me too, but for whatever reason I haven't felt a drive to play my PS4 games yet. I want to finish Ghost of Tsushima.

Lol you should be guilty, there's lots of people who'd kill for the system and would use it way more. But at the same time its just one console and everyone who wants one will get one eventually, and its not like the games are going to disappear.

I was just adding up my total PS5 play hours yesterday actually, I'm up to 90 hours now. Average of about 4 hours a day since I got it.
I think come Christmas I'll be playing it a lot, but right now it's functionally equivalent to a PS4 for me. No rush to play older games and outside of Astrobot, I don't have any interesting new games. (loved astrobot)

I'm pretty sure I've played like 40 or so hours.  
I'm glad you're enjoying it!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Dec 13, 2020, 11:12 PM
And even better (worse), I'm pretty sure my brother has put in even more time than me.  

I'm glad you're enjoying it!
Thanks!!   :-*
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Dec 18, 2020, 05:23 PM
I doubled my ps5 playtime.


(Watched an hbo max movie and had youtube on)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Dec 20, 2020, 06:41 PM
I started Immortals: Fenyx Rising.  Liking what I'm playing so far. It's pretty much assassins creed without the hidden blade and Isu stuff
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Dec 20, 2020, 08:34 PM
I started Immortals: Fenyx Rising.  Liking what I'm playing so far. It's pretty much assassins creed without the hidden blade and Isu stuff
On my list. Is it wrong to expect a botw like game?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Dec 20, 2020, 10:07 PM
On my list. Is it wrong to expect a botw like game?
Yes and no.  It does seem to have some influence of BOTW with its climbing and exploration, but has more "new" assassins creed style combat and gear.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Dec 20, 2020, 10:07 PM
I started Immortals: Fenyx Rising.  Liking what I'm playing so far. It's pretty much assassins creed without the hidden blade and Isu stuff
I'm on the fence about it as its on sale for £29.99, easily the cheapest good big PS5 game I haven't got yet. I don't wanna support Ubi and that's holding me back, but if I feel like I really want it I'll bite.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Dec 20, 2020, 10:22 PM
I'm on the fence about it as its on sale for £29.99, easily the cheapest good big PS5 game I haven't got yet. I don't wanna support Ubi and that's holding me back, but if I feel like I really want it I'll bite.
Its definitely a very Ubi game with the "viewpoints" to uncover the map and to survey for different activities.  I'm only about an hour in and it seems like a cute, whimsical Ubi game that isn't trying to be too serious.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Dec 21, 2020, 01:13 AM
Valhalla also added in trigger resistance for the bow in the latest update.  Not super strong but its nice to feel just to add a little something to it.  Immortals is suppose to have it as well, but don't have a bow yet.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Dec 22, 2020, 06:00 AM
I have a ps5 game now!

Miles here I come.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Dec 27, 2020, 04:11 PM
Miles
Demon's Souls
AC Valhalla
Watch Dogs Legion


Not too bad compared to my first PS4 games

Knack
Killzone Shadowfall
Cod Ghosts
Need for Speed whichever was 2013
Lego Marvel
AC4
Injustice
Dragon Age
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Dec 29, 2020, 02:16 AM
Finished spiderman!

Loved that it was shorter. Felt focused instead of a bunch of sidequests. Liked it a good amount but nothing amazing imo.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jan 11, 2021, 02:35 PM
I have my PS5 set upstairs, I figured my siblings would appreciate that. But right now I'm staying in the basement as much as possible due to wife having Covid.

So I've been remote playing my PS5.  
There's a little bit of degration, but the experience is generally great.

The only major thing I want to complain about is the PS5 won't start up from rest mode for remote play. Despite the fact it is set up to do so.


Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 03, 2021, 03:31 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Feb 03, 2021, 03:46 PM
as a guy with literally only 1 disc (astro bot rescue mission),...  i'm feeling over the moon!
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 04, 2021, 02:43 PM
So we are waiting on:
Rest mode fix
8K, 1440p
VRR
External storage for PS5 games
Internal storage enabled
Folders
Full spec HDMI 2.0 (HDR)

Would be nice:
Quick Resume
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Feb 04, 2021, 02:52 PM
So we are waiting on:
Rest mode fix
8K, 1440p
VRR
External storage for PS5 games
Internal storage enabled
Folders

Would be nice:
Quick Resume
Is the rest mode fix actually a thing? I thought it was a couple of games causing the problem.

Biggest one for me that you didn't list is expand HDMI support so 4K 120Hz can be displayed in HDR on all TVs, mine included. I guess that would come with the VRR update which should fix all that stuff.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 04, 2021, 03:07 PM
Is the rest mode fix actually a thing? I thought it was a couple of games causing the problem.
It might be both.  
I've gotten a few crashes on random games.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Feb 04, 2021, 03:54 PM
It might be both.  
I've gotten a few crashes on random games.
i had one crash with Godfall when putting into rest mode.  i believe i had 1 or 2 other instances, but don't remember the games.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Feb 04, 2021, 04:43 PM
I haven't had any PS5 issues, except a really loud disc drive when it first starts.

Series X is where all the wonkiness lies although I have spent more time with it. Random controller disconnects are the the newest thing I'm dealing with.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Feb 04, 2021, 05:03 PM
those crashes are the worst thing i've had.  Had my controllers not turn on ps5 from rest mode a few times too.  Other than that its been solid so far.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 04, 2021, 05:09 PM
Someone on Era had some kind of bug when they plugged in their HDD, and they're demanding that Sony acknowledge that but they have.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Feb 04, 2021, 11:37 PM
Anyone know who trad_racer5 and cerulean_tilde4 is on PSN?  I got a close friend request from them.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Feb 05, 2021, 01:24 AM
Anyone know who trad_racer5 and cerulean_tilde4 is on PSN?  I got a close friend request from them.
I get those often enough.  do not accept. 
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: nnodley on Feb 05, 2021, 04:08 AM
I get those often enough.  do not accept.
thats what i figured.  Just wanted to check that it wasn't somebody here that i for some reason wasn't friends with.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Feb 08, 2021, 10:04 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/5CWdVl4.jpg)

The spring from the R2 of one of my Dualsense controllers.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Feb 08, 2021, 10:42 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/5CWdVl4.jpg)

The spring from the R2 of one of my Dualsense controllers.
oops
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Feb 08, 2021, 10:48 PM
oops
Yep. Don't even know what broke it, I picked it up this afternoon and it just felt loose so I opened it up and found that. No indication of anything breaking before today.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Feb 10, 2021, 11:19 PM
I fitted a new spring and its all good now. I do worry about how long it will last though. Was it a dodgy spring or is the dualsense a spring destroyer?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 24, 2021, 01:47 PM
Gamers Nexus did a review on some of the after market fans.  




One of them doesn't do anything and the other actually makes the PS5 hotter because the fans are blowing against the exhaust.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Feb 24, 2021, 02:29 PM
Are people having issues with ps5 fans? My disc drive is super loud but my fans are silent.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Feb 24, 2021, 02:32 PM
Are people having issues with ps5 fans? My disc drive is super loud but my fans are silent.
I don't think so, these are just made to try and catch a few people out like any scam.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 24, 2021, 02:33 PM
Are people having issues with ps5 fans? My disc drive is super loud but my fans are silent.
Some people are having issues with coil whine, but that isn't going to help.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 01, 2021, 12:35 AM
I'm a little bit disappointed in some of the PS5 HW.  

The expansion slot is apparently not being activated because there is a heating issue.  

There is one RAM module that gets overly hot.  

The disc drive gets ridiculously loud.  It literally vibrates the TV stand.  

There's a fan lottery.  Mine is dead silent, but not for everyone.  

None of the issues are likely big enough to matter.  But I wish Sony invested more in the design.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Mar 01, 2021, 12:46 AM
I'm a little bit disappointed in some of the PS5 HW.  

The expansion slot is apparently not being activated because there is a heating issue.  

There is one RAM module that gets overly hot.  

The disc drive gets ridiculously loud.  It literally vibrates the TV stand.  

There's a fan lottery.  Mine is dead silent, but not for everyone.  

None of the issues are likely big enough to matter.  But I wish Sony invested more in the design.
It's funny how pre launch the massive size felt like they were being overly cautious. Now it just seems like a giant console aka launch PS3 2.0.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Mar 01, 2021, 10:03 AM
It's funny how pre launch the massive size felt like they were being overly cautious. Now it just seems like a giant console aka launch PS3 2.0.
Yeah me and Pi were talking about this before. Basically the excuse was well the PS5 is so big because cooling/ fan noise/ whatever. But it turns out the design is worse than Series X in every regard.

- Less powerful
- Much bigger in volume
- Worse airflow leading to less efficient cooling
- Louder fan (even the quiet PS5 fan is a lot louder than SX)
- Higher system temps all round with one particularly dodgy spot (SSD)
- Doesn't have full Zen2 features like SX
- Extra SSD slot that requires opening the system so more of hassle to install
- This extra SSD slot isn't enabled yet and when it is it will cause the fan to get even louder
- General problems like loud disc drive and sporadic problems like coil whine while SX seems pretty faultless
- The white plates on the side actually cause the system internals to heat up by a few degrees on top of making the console a lot bigger and harder to fit into spaces


Its actually quite crazy that the Sony team got so out-engineered. I really am baffled as to what happened here. The only thing PS5 has going for it for me personally is that I think it looks a lot better.

Last gen it was kind of similar but in the other direction, but even then the PS4 had jet engine fans while the XB1 was very quiet so it wasn't quite this bad. A big turnaround in one gen.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Mar 05, 2021, 10:52 PM
Maquette was not good.

Poor puzzles and poor story imo. Also I broke it twice and had to restart. Also I glitched out of bounds way before I was supposed to. Was fun, but my method was not supposed to work.

One puzzle I don't even know how to solve. I glitched an out of bounds solution that did not feel legit.

EDT: I will say though, the voice acting was great.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Mar 11, 2021, 06:48 AM
Sony says semiconductor shortage makes increased PS5 production difficult | Ars Technica (https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/02/sony-shipped-4-5m-ps5s-in-2020-but-is-struggling-to-speed-up-production/)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Mar 11, 2021, 11:26 AM
Sony says semiconductor shortage makes increased PS5 production difficult | Ars Technica (https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/02/sony-shipped-4-5m-ps5s-in-2020-but-is-struggling-to-speed-up-production/)
From Feb??
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Mar 11, 2021, 12:57 PM
even if they can't increase production the early evidence suggests current production is pretty healthy compared to ps4. 

the demand is much higher (or really just front loader) but production isn't exactly bad. 
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Mar 11, 2021, 02:56 PM
From Feb??
Was new on resetera! I think...
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 11, 2021, 03:18 PM
Was new on resetera! I think...
It got bumped.  

There was a bit of that article that got missed on Era.  Sony said 63% of games were sold digitally last year.  They made a new thread after someone said it was off topic.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Mar 11, 2021, 10:02 PM
OMg.  what happened to will smith, he was here i swear it.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Mar 11, 2021, 10:04 PM
OMg.  what happened to will smith, he was here i swear it.
Guess he fell on hard times and started shilling medicine.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 30, 2021, 06:54 PM
Why do I feel like Sony has like 2 OS developers who have to do everything?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Mar 30, 2021, 07:05 PM
Why do I feel like Sony has like 2 OS developers who have to do everything?
i couldn't find anything when i searched now but i swear i read something a while back that indicated they have about 100.   

compared to MS it's not much and generally speaking i think for a team that size they are pretty productive.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Apr 08, 2021, 09:21 AM
Why do I feel like Sony has like 2 OS developers who have to do everything?
PS5 OS I thought was okay because it runs a lot smoother than PS4's but it really does suck now I think. So many features missing compared to PS4 due to the fresh start, so so many things that the xbox consoles do way better.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 21, 2021, 06:39 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: SWORDF1SH on Apr 21, 2021, 06:55 PM

Sony have done a good of visually representing some of PS5s features
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Apr 21, 2021, 07:06 PM
Reminds me that I still have to try Demon's Souls with my 3D headset.

Also lol at vr thrown in for a second at the end.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 21, 2021, 07:38 PM
Quote
PS5 hardware supports Variable Refresh Rate (VRR) through HDMI 2.1. After a future system software update, PS5 owners will be able to use the VRR feature of compatible TVs when playing games that support VRR.
Quote
PS5 is compatible with 8K displays at launch, and after a future system software update will be able to output resolutions up to 8K when content is available, with supported software.
Quote
TV speaker virtual surround sound won't be available on launch day for PS5 but is planned for a future update.
Quote
M.2 SSD storage functionality will come to PS5 after launch with an upcoming system software update.
A lot to do yet.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 22, 2021, 01:12 AM
Quote
Regarding PlayStation 5 supply shortages and Japan:

"There are several reasons why PlayStation 5s are currently hard to obtain. Supply was extremely intricate under COVID-19, and distribution had to be online-only. Semiconductor supply and demand is also tight across the globe. We are asking our suppliers to increase production, and that will flow into the market in 2021."

"The current supply of PlayStation 5 in Japan is comparable to PlayStation 4 in the same period following its launch. We will continue to focus on the Japanese market and improve supply going forward."

"PlayStation 5 has a lot of software by Japanese developers from early on. And going forward, I would like to strengthen our ties with Japanese developers and release content for PlayStation 5 suited to the Japanese market."

Regarding the cloud games partnership with Microsoft announced in 2019:

"The conversation of exchanging ideas (with Microsoft) is ongoing. It's some extremely interesting stuff, and I hope to announce our cloud strategy when the time is right. While we could use the cloud for our technical infrastructure, the cloud game experience we offer will be unique to PlayStation."

Regarding competition for content such as Microsoft acquiring companies:

"We have been quietly, but steadily investing in high-quality games for PlayStation. And we will make sure the PlayStation 5 generation has more exclusive software than ever before. We have engaged in mergers and acquisitions several times in the past, such as with Insomniac Games. We will not rule out that option in the future."

Not worth a quote, but Ryan says that where sales usually peak in the third or fourth year of a console's lifetime, he can see a longer lifecycle for PlayStation 5 due to its health post-launch, and is more optimistic about the future now than he was a year ago.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-studios-ot19-the-returnal-of-ratchet-clank-is-on-the-horizon.407436/page-133#post-63391722

From a gematsu writer but I can't find an article it came from.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 24, 2021, 05:43 AM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Apr 24, 2021, 04:46 PM
Yeah boy!

Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>ps5=ps3<br>
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 27, 2021, 04:10 PM
Been doing a lot of remote play, because my PS5 isn't set up with a TV.  
Our only TV is set up in the reach of the kids.  

Been remote playing to my PC.  And it's been very good for the most part.  

The past couple days have been oddly rough though.  Dropping from 720p/whatever to 144p, some stuttering, and some not accepting my commands.  Which is incredibly frustrating.

Aside from that it had been excellent.

At some point, I want to get the Sony X90J (https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-65-class-bravia-xr-x90j-series-led-4k-uhd-smart-google-tv/6453208.p?skuId=6453208&ref=212&loc=1).  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 29, 2021, 08:46 PM


PS4:
Knack: 54
Killzone: 73
Infamous: 80
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Apr 29, 2021, 10:47 PM


PS4:
Knack: 54
Killzone: 73
Infamous: 80

Quite a big improvement.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on May 20, 2021, 06:17 PM
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on May 20, 2021, 06:36 PM
Speaking of that, what is biomutant?

I've heard about it for so long but it seems to be reaching critical mass right now.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 21, 2021, 05:21 PM

Lol so downgrade to 25 percent the resolution
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on May 24, 2021, 06:48 PM
Speaking of that, what is biomutant?

I've heard about it for so long but it seems to be reaching critical mass right now.
I haven't heard much about it.  

It currently has a 63 on MC.  So eh.  

Was sharing because Series X is running at 4K60, while PS5 is running at 1080p60 for some reason.  
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 05, 2021, 01:52 PM
The Medium rated for PS5
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Jun 05, 2021, 02:16 PM
The Medium rated for PS5
cool but from the review I saw I think this is not for me. 
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Jun 05, 2021, 06:29 PM
cool but from the review I saw I think this is not for me.
It's worth your time, just maybe not worth your money  :P

I loved the visual design.

The Medium rated for PS5
Will their next game not be exclusive then:?
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Jun 08, 2021, 07:15 PM
Saw this on Era. Some of the scores are a bit off, but it indicates the big difference between PS4 and PS5 exclusives up to the same point launch aligned:

(https://i.goopics.net/7bQNl.jpeg)
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: BananaKing on Jun 08, 2021, 07:30 PM
Saw this on Era. Some of the scores are a bit off, but it indicates the big difference between PS4 and PS5 exclusives up to the same point launch aligned:

(https://i.goopics.net/7bQNl.jpeg)
Yeah Sony is no doubt killing it so far this gen.

Also compare that to xbox... where there is not one single game to be put on that list
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Jun 08, 2021, 07:42 PM
Yeah Sony is no doubt killing it so far this gen.

Also compare that to xbox... where there is not one single game to be put on that list
i lol'd.

just watched the DF and dear god do i want to play ratchet.   but i think i may just wait for the first sale.   i know it will only be $10 off but since i'm going to be 2 months late at the earliest,.. seems prudent to wait.

i already bought sackboy's big adventure on a whim when i was on a 2 week covid-scare lockdown.  i think i can wait on everything else for quite a while to grab it at a better price.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: BananaKing on Jun 09, 2021, 11:31 AM
i lol'd.

just watched the DF and dear god do i want to play ratchet.   but i think i may just wait for the first sale.   i know it will only be $10 off but since i'm going to be 2 months late at the earliest,.. seems prudent to wait.

i already bought sackboy's big adventure on a whim when i was on a 2 week covid-scare lockdown.  i think i can wait on everything else for quite a while to grab it at a better price.
Im not a ratchet fan. I just played the remake, which was fun. But ill admit this does look like a good game.

And its true, MS released a console with a "launch title" that we've seen one gameplay clip of. And had nothing else planned for another 12 months. So far we know its the only game coming from them this year.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: kitler53 on Jun 09, 2021, 03:36 PM
Im not a ratchet fan. I just played the remake, which was fun. But ill admit this does look like a good game.

And its true, MS released a console with a "launch title" that we've seen one gameplay clip of. And had nothing else planned for another 12 months. So far we know its the only game coming from them this year.
my god.  can you imagine if as they reveal their games at E3 this year everything but halo is dated 2022...
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: BananaKing on Jun 09, 2021, 07:13 PM
my god.  can you imagine if as they reveal their games at E3 this year everything but halo is dated 2022...
I think we will get a forza game this year. But yeah I can completely imagine them having nothing else, unless Bethesda has a few unannounced games they were wanting to release this year. Perhaps a new Wolfestien.

But yeah MS's situation now looks really bad. And I can see why they bought Bethesda because most of their other studio games are far away
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Jun 10, 2021, 02:06 PM
Controller updates are annoying. I pressed "remind me in 24 hours" and I can't find a way to force the update before that. Should give you a little prompt once it's connected by USB to start the update.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Legend on Jun 13, 2021, 02:48 AM
Sony has zero AAA next gen exclusives announced.

Meanwhile Avatar and Suicide Squad are next gen only. It's crazy that it's possible 3rd parties will jump to next gen faster than Sony.
Title: Re: PS5 |OT| ol' 15 poundy
Post by: Xevross on Jun 13, 2021, 07:34 AM
Sony has zero AAA next gen exclusives announced.

Meanwhile Avatar and Suicide Squad are next gen only. It's crazy that it's possible 3rd parties will jump to next gen faster than Sony.
Not really faster when Sony have already put out 5 next gen exclusive games themselves.